Cynical is self explanatory.
On 1/11/11, frankg <frankg2@gmail.com> wrote:
> And there you go making unfounded comments. Point out where/how I am
> being negative and cynical. Disagreeable is a new claim, and obviously
> since I'm not in agreement with you I am being disagreeable. If you
> can't handle that you shouldn't be participating on discussion boards.
>
> On Jan 11, 1:09 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There you go being negative, cynical, and disagreeable yet again.
>>
>> On 1/11/11, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Where have I been negative and where have I been cynical?
>>
>> > I said her conclusion is wrong and explained why. That's not being
>> > negative or cynical. She misrepresents what DADT is all about. The
>> > concept of DADT is not that a gay can't perform the mission, it only
>> > says we won't ask your sexual orientation and you won't tell us and
>> > we'll all just get along.
>>
>> > Of course there are small minded yahoos who will demean anyone who
>> > doesn't fit their 'acceptability' model. It's going to take a very
>> > long time to breed them out of the human race. But I think most level
>> > headed folks, even those who have issues with gays, understand being
>> > gay doesn't preclude them from performing heroic deeds. That you don't
>> > understand this is your problem, not ours. Personally, I took nothing
>> > more out of the article when "gay" was added to it because I've known
>> > all along gays are every bit as capable as heterosexuals to do what he
>> > did.
>>
>> > On Jan 11, 12:15 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> You seem to be a negative cynic who disagrees with most everything.
>>
>> >> "It's still far too easy for a small-minded yahoo to champion
>> >> discrimination based on orientation and race, and it's just as easy
>> >> for another small-minded yahoo somewhere else to believe the red
>> >> states are indeed "meccas of racism and bigotry." If any good can come
>> >> out of something as unfathomably horrible as Saturday's mass shooting,
>> >> let it be that it shakes up a few preconceptions. That it shows the
>> >> world that a hero can be gay or straight, can speak English or Spanish
>> >> or both, and that stupid laws can exist in places full of good people.
>> >> And anyone who has any doubt of what kind of person deserves to serve
>> >> next to him in battle, or stand before their community and declare
>> >> their love, or go to school, or walk down the street without being
>> >> asked for paperwork needs to hear that and remember that, again and
>> >> again until it sinks in. Yes, the "gay Hispanic American" saved a life
>> >> on Saturday, and yes, it does matter."
>>
>> >> On 1/11/11, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > I did read the article, but I think her conclusion is wrong. No one
>> >> > has ever said a gay person could not perform in the military. DADT
>> >> > certainly didn't make that argument. The argument has always been
>> >> > that
>> >> > the presence of a gay man amongst heterosexual men might be
>> >> > uncomfortable and cause problems in an environment where privacy is
>> >> > often non-existent and where good comradely can be the difference
>> >> > between life and death.
>>
>> >> > On Jan 11, 11:44 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> If you had bothered to read the articles and links I just provided,
>> >> >> you would have seen why it matters very much.
>>
>> >> >> To repeat:
>>
>> >> >> Gabrielle Giffords Assistant is Gay and it Matters Says Salon.com
>>
>> >> >>http://www.shewired.com/Article.cfm?ID=26427
>>
>> >> >> On 1/11/11, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > The second thread was accidental, but it is proving to be
>> >> >> > important.
>>
>> >> >> > There are many other articles which do in fact point to the fact
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > Hernandez the Hero is gay.
>>
>> >> >> > Keith, your statements are pathetic and homophobic. laced with
>> >> >> > animus,
>> >> >> > denial, and vile Conservative hatred.
>>
>> >> >> > Here is empirical proof and documentation:
>>
>> >> >> > Go to these links and read these Headlines and articles. There are
>> >> >> > plenty
>> >> >> > more.
>>
>> >> >> > Gay Intern Credited with Keeping Rep. Giffords Alive
>>
>> >> >> >http://blogout.justout.com/?p=25937
>>
>> >> >> > Gay Intern Helped Save Congresswoman Gifford's Life
>>
>> >> >> >http://www.gayapolis.com/news/artdisplay.php?artid=6224
>>
>> >> >> > US Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, a strong supporter of gay
>> >> >> > rights
>>
>> >> >> >http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2011/01/us-rep-gabriel...
>>
>> >> >> > Gabrielle Giffords Assistant is Gay and it Matters Says Salon.com
>>
>> >> >> >http://www.shewired.com/Article.cfm?ID=26427
>>
>> >> >> > Two gay heroes thwart assassinations -- what a difference 35 years
>> >> >> > make
>>
>> >> >> >http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2011/01/two-gay-heroes-thwart-as...
>>
>> >> >> > Westboro Baptists Thank God For Giffords Shooting, Will Picket
>> >> >> > Funerals
>>
>> >> >> >http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/westboro_baptists_t...
>>
>> >> >> > LGBT Groups Rally Around Congresswoman Giffords
>>
>> >> >> >http://www.edenfantasys.com/sexis/sex-and-society/lgbt-groups-rally-g...
>>
>> >> >> > On 1/11/11, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> What's with starting a second, identical thread on the same
>> >> >> >> article?
>>
>> >> >> >> And the fact remains, you cited an article that never once
>> >> >> >> mentions
>> >> >> >> his being gay, yet you made that a big point of the thread title
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> opening comment. Why did you do that? It has no bearing on what
>> >> >> >> happened. Is this some sort of gay pride issue for you... that
>> >> >> >> someone
>> >> >> >> who is gay is capable of doing something brave and intelligent?
>> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> that's the case, you've set the gay movement back several years.
>>
>> >> >> >> On Jan 10, 8:25 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> Daniel Hernandez, gay 20 year old intern, likely saved Rep.
>> >> >> >>> Gabrielle
>> >> >> >>> Giffords' life with first aid
>>
>> >> >> >>> Daniel Hernandez had been U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' intern
>> >> >> >>> for
>> >> >> >>> five days when she was shot Saturday outside Tucson.
>>
>> >> >> >>> The junior at the University of Arizona was helping check people
>> >> >> >>> in
>> >> >> >>> at
>> >> >> >>> the "Congress on Your Corner" event when he heard gunfire. He
>> >> >> >>> was
>> >> >> >>> about 30 feet from the congresswoman. When the shots began, he
>> >> >> >>> ran
>> >> >> >>> toward them.
>>
>> >> >> >>> "I don't even know if the gunfire had stopped," he said Saturday
>> >> >> >>> night
>> >> >> >>> as he kept a vigil at the University Medical Center cafeteria,
>> >> >> >>> gathered near a TV watching tributes and getting updates.
>>
>> >> >> >>> When the shots began that morning, he saw many people lying on
>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >>> ground, including a young girl. Some were bleeding. Hernandez
>> >> >> >>> said
>> >> >> >>> he
>> >> >> >>> moved from person to person checking pulses.
>>
>> >> >> >>> "First the neck, then the wrist," he said. One man was already
>> >> >> >>> dead.
>> >> >> >>> Then he saw Giffords. She had fallen and was lying contorted on
>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >>> sidewalk. She was bleeding.
>>
>> >> >> >>> Using his hand, Hernandez applied pressure to the entry wound on
>> >> >> >>> her
>> >> >> >>> forehead. He pulled her into his lap, holding her upright
>> >> >> >>> against
>> >> >> >>> him
>> >> >> >>> so she wouldn't choke on her own blood. Giffords was conscious,
>> >> >> >>> but
>> >> >> >>> quiet.
>>
>> >> >> >>> Ron Barber, Giffords' district director, was next to her.
>> >> >> >>> Hernandez
>> >> >> >>> told a bystander how to apply pressure to one of Barber's
>> >> >> >>> wounds.
>>
>> >> >> >>> Barber told Hernandez, "Make sure you stay with Gabby. Make sure
>> >> >> >>> you
>> >> >> >>> help Gabby."
>>
>> >> >> >>> Hernandez used his hand to apply pressure until someone from
>> >> >> >>> inside
>> >> >> >>> Safeway brought him clean smocks from the meat department. He
>> >> >> >>> used
>> >> >> >>> them to apply pressure on the entrance wound, unaware there was
>> >> >> >>> an
>> >> >> >>> exit wound. He never let go of her.
>>
>> >> >> >>> He stayed with Giffords until paramedics arrived. They strapped
>> >> >> >>> her
>> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >> >>> a board and loaded her into an ambulance. Hernandez climbed in
>> >> >> >>> with
>> >> >> >>> her. On the ride to the hospital, he held her hand. She squeezed
>> >> >> >>> his
>> >> >> >>> back.
>>
>> >> >> >>> When they arrived at the hospital, Hernandez was soaked in
>> >> >> >>> blood.
>> >> >> >>> His
>> >> >> >>> family brought him clean clothes because the FBI took his for
>> >> >> >>> evidence.
>>
>> >> >> >>> He waited at the hospital while she went into surgery. He needed
>> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >> >>> tell police what had happened. He overheard people walking by
>> >> >> >>> talking
>> >> >> >>> about how Giffords had died. He also heard this on NPR. Later,
>> >> >> >>> he
>> >> >> >>> learned she had lived.
>>
>> >> >> >>> "I was ecstatic," he said. "She was one of the people I've
>> >> >> >>> looked
>> >> >> >>> up
>> >> >> >>> to. Knowing she was alive and still fighting was good news.
>> >> >> >>> She's
>> >> >> >>> definitely a fighter, whether for her own life, or standing up
>> >> >> >>> for
>> >> >> >>> people in southern Arizona."
>>
>> >> >> >>> The fact that Hernandez was nearby and able to react quickly
>> >> >> >>> probably
>> >> >> >>> saved Giffords' life, said state Rep. Matt Heinz, D-Tucson, and
>> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> >>> hospital physician. He talked to Hernandez at the hospital after
>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >>> shooting.
>>
>> >> >> >>> Eight hours after the shooting, Hernandez stood with Giffords'
>> >> >> >>> friends
>> >> >> >>> and staff and told them what had happened. The tall, strong
>> >> >> >>> 20-year-old said, "Of course you're afraid, you just kind of
>> >> >> >>> have
>> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >> >>> do what you can."
>>
>> >> >> >>> They hugged and thanked him. Later, he sat with his mom and
>> >> >> >>> sisters
>> >> >> >>> and told them about his friends and the staffers who had died
>> >> >> >>> that
>> >> >> >>> day.
>>
>> >> >> >>> "You just have to be calm and collected," he said. "You do no
>> >> >> >>> good
>> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >> >>> anyone if you have a breakdown. . . . It was probably not the
>> >> >> >>> best
>> >> >> >>> idea to run toward the gunshots, but people needed help."
>>
>> >> >> >>> Read
>> >> >> >>> more:http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109daniel-hern...
>>
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> >> >>> Have a great day,
>> >> >> >>> Tommy
>>
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