My own view is that, let the Americans i mean indigens to decide there
future despite the fact that Obama is African American he may not have
the same views with Americans see China and Russia and look at their
economy is it comparable with that of US today. For me Roomney is the
solution to us economy god bless America.
On 8/2/12, politicalforum@googlegroups.com
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> - Zimmerman shooting not a hate crime [2 Updates]
> http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/633688b39c824ce5
> - Roberts is Right: The Plan Won't Work [1 Update]
> http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/8a391ae9d7c83d13
> - Gore Vidal, R.I.P. [1 Update]
> http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/eb706aa68863fb79
> - Sting targets white supremacists: Agents' Nazi 'gang' duped suspects [1
> Update]
> http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/9b09394883c172b7
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> Topic: Zimmerman shooting not a hate crime
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/633688b39c824ce5
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> ---------- 1 of 2 ----------
> From: NoEinstein <noeinstein@bellsouth.net>
> Date: Aug 01 03:52PM -0700
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/msg/4f2db8a7d3fbc08
>
> Dear plainol...: NC is where the socialist Democrats will hold the
> unconstitutional convention to nominate our unlawful, treasonous
> "president" to have another shot at bringing the USA and the world
> down. There is nothing in the original Constitution requiring that
> every congressional district get 10,000 signatures in order to remove
> Obama's name from ballots. Since he isn't an American citizen, he
> should be, simply, arrested for TREASON and hanged by the neck until
> dead, and well before the November election. Obama is an outlaw,
> now. He has done more harm to the US economy than any other criminal
> (or politician) in our long history. Long may he hang! — J. A.
> Armistead —
> On Jul 24, 12:53 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> ---------- 2 of 2 ----------
> From: NoEinstein <noeinstein@bellsouth.net>
> Date: Aug 01 03:58PM -0700
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/msg/11055a3e159edd84
>
> Dear Keith: One of your recent replies was a 'link' to a Black
> violence video. Here is what I just composed in reply:
>
> Dear Keith: Moral people make decisions based on the broadest context
> of the less-than-perfect world situation. I read that people with
> high IQ, like me, can make the best moral judgments, because doing so
> requires consideration of so many different things from so many
> different points of view. Almost without exception, the scenes from
> your "hate Blacks" video were centered in large cities. It is a sad,
> but recognized fact, that economically-distressed minorities remain in
> city ghettos because 'misery likes company'. Most of those Blacks in
> your video feel POWERLESS in the real world. They try to compensate
> for that by showing group power, at night, over those they wrongly
> perceive as getting advantages, simply because they were born white.
> The thousands of Jeremiah Wrights preaching hatred from their pulpits
> are certainly a big part of the problem. The late tennis great,
> Arthur Ashe, a Black, decried having Black athletes be over idealized
> such that 'mainstream' Black youths think having athletic ability and
> getting to be super wealthy is the only path to happiness. There are
> few if any role models for blacks saying: "Work hard and be a good
> person to know, and you can be both financially and socially happy."
> You can't find one successful Black saying: "Form violent gangs and
> beat-up-on as many whites as you can and you will be financially and
> socially happy."
>
> Charlotte's Bernie Goldberg, a frequent FOX News commentator, decries
> the great number of Blacks born out of wedlock who are raised without
> a good male role model. Trayvon Martin was most fortunate to have had
> a black male role model. He was also fortunate not to live in a big
> city. Yes, the 'culture' of black youths favors those who can portray
> toughness. But if all of those who make a "look mean" photo,
> automatically, are criminals, then we will need to triple our number
> of prison cells in order to clear our city streets of gangs.
>
> The solution to our group-against-group problems is as simple as
> fostering of the same free-market capitalism that made the USA great!
> Those wasted lives of inner city Black youths waiting for the next
> government welfare check, can easily be put to good use, once enough
> equally disadvantaged Black youths become examples of "success through
> hard work". The decision will be between WORKING, and being better
> than average, or only being average, at best, while on the public
> dole. My book, 'The Shortest Distance; Harmony Through Prosperity',
> should be read by as many Blacks (and whites) as possible. Know this:
> Few people on earth who are successfully providing for their own
> needs, plus the needs of their families, will ever resort to
> unjustified violence against others. Muslims, are preaching racial
> hatred 1,000 times greater than Blacks are acting-out. Muslim
> violence and hatred can be placated, similarly, by teaching Muslims,
> world wide, how to compete fairly in free capitalist markets, and
> without hatred and bias.
>
> Jews, instead of insisting that Americans backup their questionable
> Jewish nation—which was taken by the force of arms—should openly
> acknowledge their wrongs. They should organize quality schools to
> teach Muslims how to prosper through fair capitalism. Disputed land
> should be developed like two-layer gardens that respect Muslim rights,
> in a capitalist, rather than a theocracy-based context. If people of
> all nations and races will rally behind our commonality, rather than
> accentuating our differences, there can be peace not only on the
> streets of our large cities, but throughout every corner of our great
> earth! — John A. Armistead —
>
>
>
>
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> Topic: Roberts is Right: The Plan Won't Work
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/8a391ae9d7c83d13
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> From: MJ <michaelj@america.net>
> Date: Aug 01 04:09PM -0400
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/msg/8779d5d457cb6a0e
>
> Roberts is Right: The Plan Won't Work
>
> By Peter Schiff
>
> 8/1/2012
>
> Now that the Supreme Court has given its narrow blessing to the Affordable
> Care Act, the big question is whether it will deliver the benefits that its
> proponents promise. Unfortunately, as it is now constructed, the plan will
> backfire causing fewer healthy people to buy insurance, raise premiums for
> those who do, destroy employment opportunities, cripple the health insurance
> industry, and weaken the economy.
>
> In order to guarantee insurance to all, regardless of age, health or
> pre-existing conditions, the framers of the plan concede that it is
> essential that the young and healthy (who are less likely to be heavy users
> of health care) pay into the insurance pool. The surplus generated from
> their premiums compensates for the money lost to those receiving more in
> services than they pay in premiums (eg older people and those with medical
> conditions). But the ACA has given these healthy people a "Get out of Jail
> Free" card that many of them are sure to play.
>
> Most healthy young people know that they are losing money to insurance
> providers, at least in the near term. That is the nature of insurance. You
> pay to prevent costly exposure to an unlikely event. And just as homeowners
> wisely pay for fire insurance even though they don't expect their homes to
> burn down, given the high cost of medical care it is also practical that
> healthy young people buy health insurance.
>
> But, the ACA makes it illegal for insurance providers to deny coverage to
> anyone for any reason. This allows healthy people to drop insurance until
> they actually need it without incurring any risk. It's like allowing
> homeowners to buy fire insurance after their houses burn down. To counteract
> these new free rider incentives, the law imposes "no insurance" penalties
> (also defined as taxes by the Supreme Court). The problem is that these
> "penaltaxes" (for lack of a better word) are insufficient to the task. In
> fact, Chief Justice John Roberts ruled the law constitutional precisely
> because the burdens were not high enough to compel behavior. (In other
> words, he thought the law was constitutional because it will be
> ineffective.) The numbers support his arguments.
>
> On average, in 2010, a typical healthy young person paid at least $2,500 per
> year for insurance (for a plan that would still involve significant out of
> pocket expenses). In some areas of the country, premiums were more than
> twice as high. When the program takes effect in 2014 the penaltaxes will be
> the greater of $95 or 1% of household income. A single person earning
> $40,000 per year who chooses to go uninsured would then be subject to a $400
> penaltax. The decision would be an easy one: drop the insurance, incur the
> penaltax and pay for any routine medical services out of pocket. In the
> unlikely event that he gets cancer or is hit by a bus, he can always buy
> insurance in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. Even in 2016, as the
> penaltax increases to the greater of $695 or 2.5% of household income, it
> will still not make sense for many people to buy insurance. The penaltaxes
> are capped at levels that equal the full cost of an average health plan. So
> even high income individuals are no worse off financially for not buying
> insurance. In addition, the IRS' ability to actually collect these
> penaltaxes is limited to garnishing income tax refund checks. If an
> individual is not getting a refund, the IRS is impotent.
>
> The law places no requirements for businesses with fewer than 50 employees
> to offer insurance. So when younger workers realize the benefits of dropping
> insurance, they will naturally gravitate to savvy businesses that offer
> higher pay instead of insurance. This will drain more premiums from the
> insurance pools.
>
> In contrast, the burdens placed on employers with more than 50 workers are
> complex, onerous and unpredictable. Those that don't offer insurance would
> be subject to substantial (and open ended) penalties if at least one
> employee receives an insurance tax credit or a government subsidy to an
> insurance exchange. If they do offer insurance, they will also be subject to
> substantial (and open ended) penalties if the plan fails to cover 60% of
> employee health expenses, or if premiums for any employee are more than 9.5%
> of family income. It has been left wholly unexplained how employers are
> supposed to accurately determine these triggers which involve knowledge of
> family income, not just employee income.
>
> Smaller employers will look to avoid these headaches by staying below the
> 50-employee threshold. Though it should be obvious, there is plenty of
> evidence to support this tendency. French law involves significant
> regulatory requirements for businesses that have more than 50 employees. As
> a result, there are currently 2.4 times more French companies that have 49
> employees than there are with 50. Incentives for businesses to stay small
> will hurt the economy and will further shrink the numbers of people paying
> into the health insurance pools.
>
> Employers will also be incentivized to avoid hiring lower paid workers who
> would be more likely to trigger the penalties tied to household income. As a
> result, many small companies will likely look to replace lower rung
> employees with temps, automation or outsourcing, further raising the barrier
> to workforce entry for lower skilled workers. The unemployable workers will
> then qualify for free health insurance, further draining the system.
>
> Unless the penaltaxes are raised significantly, far too many needed premium
> payers will drop out. As they do, insurance companies will try to recoup the
> lost revenue by raising premiums for the customers who remain. As the gap
> between the relatively low penaltaxes and the high cost of health insurance
> premiums increases, so too will the incentive to drop coverage. This
> self-reinforcing dynamic will render the entire plan non-viable.
>
> It is a foregone conclusion that the Obama Administration and its
> congressional allies are already planning to raise the penaltaxes. Although
> such increases would render the plan unconstitutional if they compel
> behavior, according to Roberts's analysis, I do not expect the Supreme Court
> to ever rule on this case again. The Court has a history of opening small
> cracks in the Constitutional barn door for the bureaucratic horses to
> stampede.
>
> Unless we can summon the political will to repeal the poorly conceived law,
> we should all brace for higher health care costs, many more layers of
> impenetrable federal bureaucracy, a significantly weaker economy, diminished
> employment opportunities, and lower living standards.
>
> http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/peterschiff/2012/08/01/roberts_is_right_the_plan_wont_work
>
>
>
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> Topic: Gore Vidal, R.I.P.
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/eb706aa68863fb79
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> ---------- 1 of 1 ----------
> From: Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com>
> Date: Aug 01 03:31PM -0400
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/msg/5b7a5f363910fcf4
>
> There we were discussing William Buckley, and poof! his most famous
> debating partner passes away:
>
> http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/01/gore-vidal-rip
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> From: Travis <baconlard@gmail.com>
> Date: Jul 31 11:07PM -0500
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/msg/93af5993c55385d1
>
> ** **
>
> Sting targets white supremacists: Agents' Nazi 'gang' duped suspects****
>
> SENTINEL EXCLUSIVE****
>
> ** **
>
> By Henry Pierson Curtis, Orlando Sentinel****
>
> ** **
>
> 7:53 p.m. EST, July 28, 2012****
>
> http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-28/news/os-neo-nazis-bikers-florida-white-power-20120728_1_white-supremacists-aryan-nations-outlaws-motorcycle-club
> ****
>
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>
> ****
>
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> ST. CLOUD - A neo-Nazi motorcycle gang created by an undercover****
>
> law-enforcement unit to investigate white supremacists and racist bikers
> has
> ****
>
> helped topple two domestic-terrorism groups in Central Florida.****
>
> ** **
>
> The original investigation began in 2007, when an undisclosed agent
> traded**
> **
>
> emails with August Kreis III, a leader of the Aryan Nations hate group
> who**
> **
>
> wanted to form a Nazi motorcycle club to serve as the militant arm for
> white
> ****
>
> supremacists across the country, according to records obtained by the****
>
> Orlando Sentinel.****
>
> ****
>
> Using a false identity, the agent with the Orange County Sheriff's
> Office***
> *
>
> became the Aryan Nations' top Florida administrator responsible for****
>
> recruiting members for what would become the 1st SS Kavallerie Brigade****
>
> Motorcycle Division - operating out of a clubhouse in St. Cloud.****
>
> ** **
>
> Early members included at least two additional undercover FBI agents -
> who**
> **
>
> infiltrated the club - and a biker accused of offering $1,000 to anyone****
>
> willing to shoot a black man riding an ATV in rural Osceola County,
> records*
> ***
>
> show.****
>
> ** **
>
> "The underlying aspect through all of it was that they were obtaining****
>
> explosives and explosives expertise, and they intended to use them to
> kill**
> **
>
> people in the United States," Orange-Osceola State Attorney Lawson
> Lamar****
>
> told the Sentinel last week about what he characterized as the region's
> most
> ****
>
> complex undercover operation in decades.****
>
> ** **
>
> "We have a duty to stop what they were doing."****
>
> ** **
>
> The two cases - the motorcycle club and the takedown of the American
> Front**
> **
>
> white-supremacist group in Osceola in May - have resulted in 20 arrests
> on**
> **
>
> charges ranging from unsuccessful bomb and murder plots to drug
> dealing,****
>
> illegal firearms possession and conducting paramilitary training to
> prepare*
> ***
>
> for a race war.****
>
> ** **
>
> Hidden mikes, cameras****
>
> ** **
>
> Once one of America's largest white-supremacist groups, the Aryan
> Nations***
> *
>
> broke into factions after losing a 2004 civil lawsuit brought by the****
>
> Southern Poverty Law Center that depleted the racist group's finances.
> In***
> *
>
> 2008, Kreis came to Central Florida to meet his new followers after
> Brian***
> *
>
> Klose became the new club's "Fuhrer."****
>
> ** **
>
> A 6-foot-6 giant known for drinking from a 70-pound beer stein, Klose
> worked
> ****
>
> as an enforcer for the Outlaws Motorcycle Club, which the U.S. Department
> of
> ****
>
> Justice describes as one of the country's largest "outlaw motorcycle
> gangs"*
> ***
>
> with a long, violent history in Florida. A doting son of elderly parents,
> he
> ****
>
> opened the Kavallerie Brigade's clubhouse within walking distance of
> their**
> **
>
> St. Cloud home on Old Canoe Creek Road.****
>
> ** **
>
> The Sentinel obtained hundreds of pages of documents related to the two****
>
> domestic-terrorism cases. The information in this report comes from them
> and
> ****
>
> from interviews with Lamar, some members of his staff and local****
>
> law-enforcement officers.****
>
> ** **
>
> Once the operation into the Kavallerie Brigade began, the FBI Joint****
>
> Terrorism Task Force installed enough hidden microphones and cameras in
> the*
> ***
>
> clubhouse to stage a reality-TV show.****
>
> ** **
>
> Unaware of being filmed and recorded, Klose warned members to be wary of
> the
> ****
>
> post-9-11 Patriot Act, which gave police new surveillance powers, and
> to****
>
> never admit they belonged to the Kavallerie Brigade.****
>
> ** **
>
> Despite his wariness of police infiltration, Klose's in-house
> explosives****
>
> experts turned out to be agents whom he asked repeatedly to build bombs
> and*
> ***
>
> hand grenades for attacks he was planning.****
>
> ** **
>
> Documents in the case show an agent reported to officials that he
> stalled***
> *
>
> Klose and others by claiming the explosives were difficult to make or
> easily
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>
> traceable.****
>
> ** **
>
> But on April 28, 2009, the agent detonated a remote-control bomb to
> show****
>
> Klose what he could do. The blast so excited Klose, he fired a pistol
> and***
> *
>
> told the agent "he had a target for him to use the explosives on and
> that***
> *
>
> was the [rival] Warlock motorcycle gang's clubhouse."****
>
> ** **
>
> By then, agents had become so entrenched in the group that three of
> them****
>
> traveled with Klose to Chicago to meet with heads of the Outlaws'
> chapters**
> **
>
> about opening Kavallerie Brigade chapters there, records state. The
> outcome*
> ***
>
> of the discussions was not disclosed.****
>
> ** **
>
> Combat training****
>
> ** **
>
> In the spring of 2010, the local Joint Terrorism Task Force began looking
> at
> ****
>
> the American Front, another Nazi-influenced group of white supremacists****
>
> rumored to be conducting combat training in rural Osceola County for a
> race*
> ***
>
> war.****
>
> ** **
>
> There were no law-enforcement officers inside that organization.
> Instead,***
> *
>
> that investigation relied on a former drug dealer working as a
> confidential*
> ***
>
> informant for the government. In that capacity, the man received offers
> to**
> **
>
> join biker gangs and the Confederate Hammerskins, a skinhead group that****
>
> required genetic testing to prove racial purity.****
>
> ** **
>
> Emailing agents late at night, the informant reported on whom he met,
> the***
> *
>
> drugs they sold, the guns they carried and violent acts the group was****
>
> planning.****
>
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