Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Re: War Pig in a Poke

As MJ says, the fallacy never ceases with you.  Again, we've been here, gone over this, and you can't name one, purported lie.
 
 
 


 
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:43 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
Gingrich was the most upfront, honest of all of the Republican
candidates
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the worst thing about Gingrich is that he's a liar.
some Americans might forget and forgive him ... others will remember
him as a liar and deceiver.

On Jun 4, 10:05 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Throughout the campaign,  despite the nasty rhetoric by Paul and Romney,
> Gingrich was the most upfront, honest of all of the Republican candidates,
> and the most forthcoming.
>
> Gingrich has changed nothing at all in his rhetoric.  Gingrich has said
> since day one, that he would prefer to see any one of the individuals
> standing on the Republican candidate stage for the debates, as President,
> rather than President Obama.
>
> This is typically far left spin by the likes of Lew Rockwell dot com.   Far
> from being a libertarian, and not even remotely being conservative,
> Rockwell is a Moonbat....Always was, always will be:
>
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/75891.html
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:06 AM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > He has surrounded himself with the most unhinged of the Bush neocon
> > advisors, those who marched this country into the decade-long morass
> > of Mideast warfare. Romney's repeated call for a new "American
> > century" is especially chilling since his war cabinet includes eight
> > signatories of the Project for the New American Century, the manifesto
> > calling for the invasion of Iraq long before 9/11/2001.
> > ----
> > call'em what they are ... zionists
>
> > On Jun 4, 8:11 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > "What short memories the electorate must have. Has Gingrich's dubbing
> > Romney "Obama light" been forgotten so soon? At the beginning of the year,
> > Gingrich insisted that Romney was a "liar," and a "fundamentally dishonest"
> > tool of Wall Street. Is January so distant that it his warning has
> > disappeared down a memory hole? Now Gingrich reports that Romney is "a lot
> > like Eisenhower," and "a solid conservative." (He cannot, by the way, be
> > both.)"War Pig in a Pokeby Charles Goyette
> > > With a win in the Texas Republican primary election Tuesday, Mitt Romney
> > has clinched a spot in the November championship round. Or, so his corner
> > tells us. Although there are some valid questions about the real delegate
> > count, with Ron Paul having effectively conceded, it may be academic. But
> > confidence in Romney's victory can be seen in the repugnant spectacle of
> > many of his recent opponents now gathering around to tell us how wonderful
> > a leader Romney will be.
> > > What short memories the electorate must have. Has Gingrich's dubbing
> > Romney "Obama light" been forgotten so soon? At the beginning of the year,
> > Gingrich insisted that Romney was a "liar," and a "fundamentally dishonest"
> > tool of Wall Street. Is January so distant that it his warning has
> > disappeared down a memory hole? Now Gingrich reports that Romney is "a lot
> > like Eisenhower," and "a solid conservative." (He cannot, by the way, be
> > both.)
> > > A quick Google search for "Santorum criticizes Romney" spits out 2.7
> > million hits. But now, "Governor Romney is the candidate who will stand up
> > for the conservative principles that we hold dear," says Santorum.
> > > It seems never to be asked, if his opponents were so wrong when they
> > told us he was a candidate most foul only weeks ago, why we should rely on
> > their fawning enthusiasm for Romney today?
> > > It does no good to tell me "that's just politics." It's all
> > intellectually fraudulent and morally loathsome. I once had a leader of one
> > of country's most well-known and strict religious institutions on the air
> > proudly explain, as though he had just discovered what every high school
> > follower of politics knows, that his favorite candidate would run to the
> > right in the primary, only to run to the center in the general election.
> > "But isn't it dishonest to represent yourself as one thing to one
> > constituency and something else to another?" I asked this man of the cloth.
> > "Shouldn't we be looking for integrity and principals?"
> > > "That's how it's done," he explained indignantly. "That's just politics."
> > > And so it is. They are all just Etch-A-Sketch men. Give them a good
> > shake after the nomination.
> > > Americans should know that Romney's nomination means that in both the
> > Republican and Democrat candidates we have Keynesian, spend-our-way-to-
> > prosperity presidents. Even Paul Krugman believes Romney "is actually more
> > of a Keynesian than he would ever let on." We will have the choice between
> > Obama deficits and Romney deficits, just as we will have the choice between
> > Romney-care and Obama-care.
> > > If there is any hope to save America from certain debt destruction, it
> > has to start with the $1.2 trillion a year in national security state
> > spending. It is an opportunity that will be missed under President Romney.
> > > As often as John Kerry told us he served in Vietnam, Gingrich reminds us
> > he was a history professor. ("I am the most seriously professorial
> > politician since Woodrow Wilson," he once modestly announced.) But it would
> > be a mistake to rely on Professor Gingrich's new slavering description of
> > Romney as "a lot like Eisenhower."
> > > Seven months into his presidency, Eisenhower had ended the Korean War,
> > just as he promised to do during the campaign. He even made an effort to
> > moderate the Cold War and the nuclear arms race. Although he provided some
> > support to the French early on, he avoided the substantial morass of
> > Vietnam – unlike his successors in office. He quickly rolled back the 1956
> > Suez crisis. And he refused to a launch a nuclear attack on China as urged
> > by his senior advisors.
> > > Eisenhower was certainly not an ideal president. He approved the CIA's
> > United Fruit Company coup in Honduras and authorized another CIA coup to
> > install the Shah in Iran, an act that continues to have blowback today.
> > Eisenhower is no more deserving of a peace prize than Barack Obama, but the
> > man who warned us about the undue influence of the military industrial
> > complex was no Mitt Romney either.
> > > Romney has revealed himself to be the complete captive of the military
> > industrial complex. Despite our present economic straits, Romney is eager
> > to "apply the full spectrum of hard and soft power to influence events,"
> > and to that end intends to add 100,000 more people in uniform. While the
> > U.S. spends almost as much as the rest of the worldcombinedon warfare,
> > Romney, who claims "this is America's moment," proposes to spend more.
> > > Romney's foreign policy posture is a continuum with that of George W.
> > Bush. And while Romney avoids speaking Bush's name, referring to him with
> > the verbally clumsy term "predecessor" five times in one speech, Romney may
> > actually exceed Bush in his unmitigated bellicosity.
> > > He has surrounded himself with the most unhinged of the Bush neocon
> > advisors, those who marched this country into the decade-long morass of
> > Mideast warfare. Romney's repeated call for a new "American century" is
> > especially chilling since his war cabinet includes eight signatories of the
> > Project for the New American Century, the manifesto calling for the
> > invasion of Iraq long before 9/11/2001.
> > > Romney joined John McCain for some saber-rattling on Memorial Day and
> > urged the arming of Syrians. Pushing for "more assertive steps" in Syria,
> > it may not be long before he joins McCain in urging U.S. bombing of Syria
> > as well. He proposes to increase military training and assistance with
> > Central Asian states. And Romney will, he tells us, "station multiple
> > carriers and warships at Iran's door," apparently without regard for what
> > our own intelligence community reports about Iran's nuclear viability.
> > > Romney ceaselessly rearranges his taxonomy of threats, bouncing quickly
> > from one to another. He has identified Russia as "without question our
> > number-one geopolitical foe"; jihadists are this century's nightmare; North
> > Korea is a clear and growing threat to the United States; the Iranian
> > leadership is the biggest immediate threat; China threatens Romney's
> > "American century."
> > > So this is what Republicans offer the nation: the warfare part of
> > Washington's warfare/welfare state. Oh, but there will be plenty of welfare
> > to go along with it (mostly for the crony classes), just as Obama has
> > included plenty of warfare even as he tilted to the welfare state.
> > > Americans are perfectly capable of buying a pig in a poke. They have
> > done so over and over again. Even before announcing his run for the
> > presidency, Bush was quite explicit with a biographer about the joyous
> > prospects of invading a country like Iraq to pump up his approval numbers
> > and build political capital. But he told the electorate just weeks before
> > the vote that he wanted a more humble foreign policy, one without nation
> > building.
> > > The nomination secure, Romney may try to moderate his chest-thumping
> > during the general election campaign, too.
> > > But there's a war pig in that bag.
> >http://lewrockwell.com/goyette/goyette37.1.html
>
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