Re: IMPORTANT! Have Conservatives Been Bought Off on Shariah? CIRCULATE!

of course it does

rabbinical court decisions are honored by state courts in the US.
the same should apply to muslim courts.

again I say ... sharia, rabbinical or any other religious legal
system should be
ignored by American courts. One law for all people.

On Jun 15, 12:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This has nothing whatsoever to do with religion.  It has to do with law,
> and when an agreement has been made,  whether that agreement was made in
> New Jersey, New Delhi, or New Symrna Beach,  the law where the contract or
> agreement was made, usually governs the accord.
>
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:20 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
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> > I agree that the total concept of banning Sharia from the United
> > States
> > courts cannot take place.
> > ----
> > sharia, rabbinical or any other religious legal system should be
> > ignored by American courts.
> > you either live by American law or you leave our country
>
> > On Jun 15, 9:26 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I agree that the total concept of banning Sharia from the United States
> > > courts cannot take place.  A good example is that Plain Ol just cited.
> >  If
> > > there has been a contract or agreement that was entered into which was
> > > governed under Sharia law, then any court within the United States should
> > > interpret that agreement under the strictures of when and where the
> > > agreement was entered into.
>
> > > Where I do believe that there should be law enacted,  is where Sharia is
> > > creeping up as :"The Law Of The Land"  because one is Muslim.   Horse
> > > Hockey.   If you are a Muslim, (and again, I think the whole concept of
> > > Sharia and Islam should be outlawed in the United States until such time
> > as
> > > it reforms and can be adaptable and tolerant of Western culture)  then
> > > United States law, or State law, municipal code, etc. should be
> > applicable,
> > > and not Sharia.   This is not the case in certain municipalities, who
> > have
> > > allowed for Sharia to over-ride American, State or local law.  We have
> > even
> > > seen courts set up in Great Britain which are Sharia courts.  This is
> > also
> > > being advocated by CAIR and other far left, Anti-American hate groups.
>
> > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:19 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > The problem with banning any consideration of Islamic law is that it
> > > > interferes with the religious rights of Americans. If two Jewish
> > > > merchants
> > > > have a contract that calls for arbitration of disputes in a rabbinical
> > > > court, state courts will generally enforce any judgment.
> > > > ----
> > > > tit for tat
>
> > > > American Christians must stand for the religious liberty of Muslims if
> > > > they
> > > > are to argue persuasively for their own.
> > > > ---
> > > > watching xians learn to stand up for their religious rights is fun
>
> > > > the anti-sharia movement's
> > > > implication that all Muslims are radicals amplifies resentments and
> > > > fuels
> > > > hate by encouraging Americans to view their neighbors with suspicion
> > > > and
> > > > distrust. Even worse, it threatens to turn our Muslim fellow citizens,
> > > > and
> > > > our Muslim allies abroad, against America.
> > > > ---
> > > > the enemy of your friend is not necessarily your enemy
>
> > > > Anti-Muslim bigots and their public apologists must be vigorously
> > > > opposed
> > > > by Americans who recognize the value of a religious voice in the
> > > > public
> > > > square and the imperative that all Americans be treated equally under
> > > > the
> > > > law, whether they are religious or irreligious
> > > > ---
> > > > the irreligious do not value a religious voice in the public square
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF-1nZ_RQg
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-V_ilJu0w&feature=related
>
> > > > On Jun 14, 7:26 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > From: Travis <twmc...@gmail.com>
> > > > > Date: Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM
> > > > > Subject: IMPORTANT! Have Conservatives Been Bought Off on Shariah?
> > > > > CIRCULATE!
> > > > > To:
>
> > > > >  ** **
>
> > > > > Look at the disturbing articles below.  Two conservative
> > publications - *
> > > > > Townhall* and *National Review *- are decrying any threat to America
> > from
> > > > > Shariah!****
>
> > > > > ** **
>
> > > > > In the *Townhall* piece, Steve Chapman chalks up *opposition* to
> > shariah
> > > > to
> > > > > *religious intolerance*.  He states that no one has been able to
> > find a
> > > > > case in which shariah was considered in a Kansas court.  However, we
> > know
> > > > > from a review of a small sample of published appellate court cases
> > > > > performed by the Center for Security Policy that there were 50
> > examples
> > > > in
> > > > > 23 states that involved conflicts between shariah and constitutional
> > law.
> > > > >  Shariah had been applied or formally recognized in these cases.
> >  ****
>
> > > > > ** **
>
> > > > > Matthew Schmitz goes a step further into the absurd by claiming that
> > *the
> > > > > anti-shariah movement endangers our national security by alienating
> > loyal
> > > > > Muslim citizens* and "assaulting" their religious liberty.  He
> > refers to
> > > > > those who want to curtail the insinuation of shariah into American
> > courts
> > > > > as "anti-Muslim bigots."  ****
>
> > > > > ** **
>
> > > > > *An important note*:  Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS reportedly gave $4
> > > > million
> > > > > to Grover Norquist's group Americans for Tax Reform.  ****
>
> > > > > ** **
>
> > > > > Other recent disturbing developments:****
>
> > > > > ** **
>
> > > > > - The State Department *removed* sections covering the religious
> > > > > persecution of Christians since the "Arab Spring" from its Country
> > > > Reports
> > > > > on Human Rights per the demands of the OIC (Organization of Islamic
> > > > > Cooperation).****
>
> > > > > - The FBI expunged 900 pages of training materials used in over 400
> > > > > presentations deemed "offensive to Muslims" by a Muslim Brotherhood,
> > > > > Hamas-affiliated organization - CAIR.****
>
> > > > > - The National Security Council (as well as State Department Muslim
> > > > > diplomatic appointees) met with OIC and MB leaders this year in
> > Qatar for
> > > > > the World Islamic Forum (co-sponsored by the Saban Center of Middle
> > East
> > > > > Policy of the Brookings Institution).  ****
>
> > > > > - The Obama administration admitted to holding "hundreds" of
> > closed-door
> > > > > meeting with jihad-supporting, Muslim Brotherhood subsidiary CAIR.
> >  ****
>
> > > > > - Obama and Hillary Clinton support the restrictions on free speech
> > > > passed
> > > > > by the OIC at the U.N. which makes it an *international crime* to
> > > > criticize
> > > > > Islam.  (The Istanbul Process)****
>
> > > > > ** **
>
> > > > > Janet Levy,****
>
> > > > > Los Angeles****
>
> > > > > ** **
> > > > >  The Bogus Threat from Shariah Law (also published in the Chicago
> > Tribune
> > > > > and Reason)****
>
> > > > > **·         ***[image: Steve
> > > > > Chapman]*<http://townhall.com/columnists/stevechapman/>
> > > > > ****
>
> > > > >  ****
>
> > > > > **·         **Steve Chapman <
> > > >http://townhall.com/columnists/stevechapman/> *
> > > > > ***
>
> > > > > **·         **June 10, 2012****
>
> > > > > In the 19th century, Catholicism was regarded by many people in this
> > > > > country as thoroughly incompatible with Americanism. They saw it as a
> > > > > hostile foreign element that would subvert democracy. Today, a
> > majority
> > > > of
> > > > > the justices on the Supreme Court are Catholic, and they are taken
> > to be
> > > > as
> > > > > American as Mountain Dew.****
>
> > > > > We've come a long way in religious tolerance. Or maybe not. The
> > belief
> > > > that
> > > > > Catholics are irredeemably alien and disloyal has given way to the
> > fear
> > > > > that Muslims pose a mortal threat to our way of life.****
>
> > > > > That distrust is behind a push in state legislatures to forbid courts
> > > > from
> > > > > applying Islamic Shariah law in any case. Arizona, Tennessee,
> > Louisiana
> > > > and
> > > > > Oklahoma have passed these bans, though the Oklahoma law was ruled
> > > > > unconstitutional by a federal appeals court.****
>
> > > > > In May, Kansas enacted its version, which doesn't mention Shariah but
> > > > > prohibits state courts from basing decisions on any foreign laws or
> > other
> > > > > legal codes. The point, however, is not in doubt. One supporter said
> > the
> > > > > bill, which passed 122-0 in the House of Representatives, was needed
> > > > > because "they stone women to death in countries that have Shariah
> > > > law."****
>
> > > > > Does that mean we need anti-Shariah laws to keep women from being
> > stoned
> > > > to
> > > > > death with the cheerful blessing of American courts? Amazingly, no.
> > It
> > > > > seems that our laws and Constitution take precedence on American
> > soil no
> > > > > matter what the rules are in Iran.****
>
> > > > > The chief sponsor, Republican Rep. Peggy Mast, explained, "I want to
> > make
> > > > > sure people understand there's sometimes a conflict between other
> > laws
> > > > and
> > > > > the Constitution, and we need to assert our Constitution is still
> > the law
> > > > > of the land." That's like asserting that the sun is hot: It will be
> > true
> > > > > regardless.****
>
> > > > > The change will have about as much effect in Kansas as a ban on
> > indoor
> > > > > co-ed field hockey. It turns out no one has been able to find a case
> > > > where
> > > > > a Kansas court has actually employed Islamic strictures to reach a
> > > > verdict.*
> > > > > ***
>
> > > > > If, for instance, a Muslim man marries a Muslim woman and then tries
> > to
> > > > > divorce her by saying "I divorce you" three times, in accordance with
> > > > > Shariah, he will find he's wasted his breath. State marriage law will
> > > > > govern in Kansas just as it has in other states when it conflicts
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > dictates of Islam.****
>
> > > > > The problem with banning any consideration of Islamic law is that it
>
> ...
>
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