Monday, April 2, 2012

Re: Photographer reflects on bullied gay teen Rafael Morelos' suicide

It is conceivable that if schools were all voluntary and many for profit, even if parents were all equipped with education vouchers, that some kids would be kicked out of every school and would have to either enroll in a reform school or a trade school to find anyone who would take them because of their bad behavior

A far preferable situation to today, where we send them to bad so called schools where they do not learn to read, and then we send them to prison when they end up working as drug mules

On Monday, April 2, 2012, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
> You should be free to
> re enroll your kid in the school where your child is safest
> ---
> then what would happen to predominately black and hispanic schools?
>
> On Apr 1, 1:30 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I actually think the real solution is school choice.  You should be free to
>> re enroll your kid in the school where your child is safest, fits in best,
>> will be best educated.
>>
>> And you should take your tax money with you when you leave.
>>
>> If some teachers and administrators cannot figure out how to keep gays kids
>> from being beaten or how to teach kids with illiterate parents how to read,
>> those schools should close and those teachers be unemployed
>>
>> And from discussions of this topic on other lists, and from the news, it is
>> clear that Asian, hispanic and white kids are being beaten and harassed in
>> black majority schools, and I am sure somewhere there are some black kids
>> being harassed when they a minorities too
>>
>> Cameron Diaz, technically Latina, reports she was beaten for being blond by
>> the hispanic Giles in her school
>>
>> The Democratic party and the public school system whose educrats fund the
>> Democrats is the main engine of homophobia, bullying and racism and racial
>> segregation and illiteracy and unemployability in this country
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 31, 2012, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote:
>> > Bruce,
>>
>> > While I do indeed recognize the difficulties in being "different"
>> > within any bubble of society (gay is only one in a long list) the
>> > fault lies in how well any individual is/is not prepared to deal with
>> > the situation.
>>
>> > The answer is NOT to legislate childrens' morays it is to hold the
>> > parents responsible for their childs' acts. We must also allow
>> > families the leeway to discipline their children.
>>
>> > Kids are taught in school that they have a right to not be disciplined
>> > and never have to "pay the piper" for their actions. There was far
>> > less need for supposed "bully control" when the principal was allowed
>> > to swing the paddle followed at home by mom and dad doing the same...
>> > double jeopardy did not apply in my house or any that I knew growing
>> > up.
>>
>> > Kids commit suicide when they see no solution to the matter... another
>> > law putting more people in jail won't solve this... neither will a
>> > "touchy feely" education with no repercussions. When kids see (and
>> > feel) the results of their actions they will change their ways. Until
>> > then there will be no solution.
>>
>> > On Mar 31, 11:20 am, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > It is true that most kids are taunted and so e are even beaten up
>>
>> > > Gay kids, or some gay kids, clearly get more of this
>>
>> > > Kids don't like gender nonconformist kids and their parents teach them
>> > not
>> > > to like them
>>
>> > > It's considering more acceptable to beat up a feminine boy or ostracize a
>> > > masculine girl than it is to do the same to someone for being fat or poor
>> > > or having glasses or braces
>>
>> > > On Saturday, March 31, 2012, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > > Makitta Noble, 13, outside Cashmere Middle School in Cashmere, is
>> > > > wearing Rafael's favorite sweatshirt. She said some students would
>> > > > taunt and call her friend names.
>>
>> > > > I don't know of a single person that I went to school with that was
>> > > > not "taunted and called names".... If that's all it takes then the kid
>> > > > had more problems than simply being gay.
>>
>> > > > On Mar 31, 8:30 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> Photographer reflects on gay teen's suicide
>>
>> > > >> Posted by Erika Schultz
>>
>> > > >> STEVE RINGMAN / THE SEATTLE TIMES
>>
>> > > >> Malinda Morelos cries while describing her son on the day before he
>> > > >> committed suicide from a bridge near their home in Cashmere.
>>
>> > > >> Staff photographer Steve Ringman and staff reporter Lornet Turnbull
>> > > >> visited the small, agricultural town of Cashmere, Wash. earlier in
>> > > >> this month.
>>
>> > > >> They were working on a story about 14-year-old Rafael Morelos who
>> > > >> killed himself in January near the small cabin where his family had
>> > > >> been living. Rafael was openly gay. His death has raised uncomfortable
>> > > >> questions among family, school officials and this rural Washington
>> > > >> community.
>>
>> > > >> From Steve Ringman:
>>
>> > > >> It's one of those stories where you feel very bad for the mother and
>> > > >> for the family. It's a delicate time to be taking pictures. You want
>> > > >> to be as sensitive as humanly possible.
>>
>> > > >> Steve said during emotionally difficult assignments, he shoots less
>> > > >> frames than usual. He keeps aware that it is hurtful for the family to
>> > > >> talk about feelings. He tries to be in the background and maintain
>> > > >> some distance.
>>
>> > > >> Wait for the moment instead of forcing the moment out.
>>
>> > > >> It's a tragic story, but Lornet told it in a way that was very
>> > > >> compelling. It's a story a lot of people here should read about.
>>
>> > > >> STEVE RINGMAN / THE SEATTLE TIMES
>>
>> > > >> A memorial poster is filled with messages for Rafael Morelos, 14, who
>> > > >> hanged himself in January.
>>
>> > > >> STEVE RINGMAN / THE SEATTLE TIMES
>>
>> > > >> Makitta Noble, 13, outside Cashmere Middle School in Cashmere, is
>> > > >> wearing Rafael's favorite sweatshirt. She said some students would
>> > > >> taunt and call her friend names.
>>
>> > > >> Read Lornet Turnbull's story, Soul-searching in conservative Cashmere
>> > > >> over gay teen's suicide.
>>
>> > > >> April 7: A benefit concert by the Seattle Men's Chorus, called "Come
>> > > >> Together: The Music of the Beatles," is scheduled for 7 p.m. at the
>> > > >> Performing Arts Center of Wenatchee. Sponsored by the Sleeping Lady
>> > > >> Foundation and KOHO Radio, the concert will benefit the Morelos family
>> > > >> as well as the Partnership for Children and Families. Tickets are $25
>> > > >> for adults and $15 for students.
>>
>> > > >> Photos and More:
>>
>> > > >>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/picturethis/2017851894_c.html
>>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> > > >> Have a great day,
>> > > >> Tommy
>>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> > > >> Have a great day,
>> > > >> Tommy
>>
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