import, and then using an example to rebut the author, materially
weakens your point.
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opinion noted
On Mar 26, 2:25 pm, "drob...@comcast.net"<drob...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Regardless of your motivation, I was simply pointing out that pulling a portion of a sentence, omitting a clause of substantive import, and then using an example to rebut the author, materially weakens your point. Propaganda might work on the great unwashed masses, but if you are to be taken seriously you need to maintain some discipline and intellectual honesty.
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> -----Original message-----
> From: plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> To: PoliticalForum <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 26, 2012 18:05:12 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: The French Whitewash of Muslim on Jew Violence
>
> If you cannot figure out why out matters
> ---
> do you really expect all men to fight the same way? if so, then you're
> sitting duck.
> different wars require different tactics
>
> this is a war waged by zionists against muzzies ... I'll have nothing
> to do with it other than tell everyone, especially our government,
> that it's not in the best interests of the USA and that we shouldn't
> let zionists in America jeopardize our strength for an old myth
>
> On Mar 26, 12:11 pm, "drob...@comcast.net"<drob...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > It doesn't matter? If you cannot figure out why out matters your lips are just flapping in the breeze. Poor critical thinking skills will expose a worthless opinion every time.
>
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> > -----Original message-----
> > From: plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> > To: PoliticalForum <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Mar 26, 2012 16:18:51 GMT+00:00
> > Subject: Re: The French Whitewash of Muslim on Jew Violence
>
> > intentionally or just through sloppiness?
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> > it doesn't matter
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> > the fact is, zionist xians and jews are out to kill as many muzzies as
> > possible.
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> > fund and fight your own wars without US tax dollars and military
> > support
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> > On Mar 26, 10:27 am, "drob...@comcast.net"<drob...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Did you leave off the conditional clause "in an attempt to kill the maximum number possible" intentionally or just through sloppiness?
>
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> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> > > To: PoliticalForum <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 26, 2012 14:21:04 GMT+00:00
> > > Subject: Re: The French Whitewash of Muslim on Jew Violence
>
> > > I am unaware of a single incident in Europe or
> > > North America when a non-Muslim attacked Muslims with guns
> > > ---
> > > HOUSTON -- A Muslim man who was shot in a hate crime following the
> > > 9/11 terrorist attacks is calling for forgiveness for his attacker.
>
> > > September 11th was a day that would forever change the nation's psyche
> > > and it set events in motion that, 10 days later, would forever change
> > > Rais Bhuiyan's life.
>
> > > Bhuiyan calls September 11th his second birthday.
>
> > > "I got my life back," he said.
>
> > > Bhuiyan was one of the first hate crime victims in the wake of 9/11.
> > > He was shot in the face while working at a Dallas convenience store.
>
> > > "He asked me 'Where are you from?' and I said, 'Excuse me?' As soon
> > > as I spoke, I felt the sensation of a million bees stinging my face
> > > and I heard an explosion," he said.
>
> > > He was white supremacist Mark Stroman, who is set to be executed next
> > > month for killing two other men in similar incidents.
>
> > > Now in a stunning and some would say inspirational turn of events,
> > > Bhuiyan, who lost vision in his right eye because of the attack, has
> > > grown to see things in a different light.
>
> > > "I forgave Mark Stroman man years ago. In fact I never hated him. I
> > > never hated America for what happened to me either," he said.
>
> > > He, as well as others in the Muslim community and beyond are now
> > > pushing to have Stroman's death sentence communed to life without
> > > parole.
>
> > > "Islam calls us to forgiveness and compassion," said Mustaffa Carroll,
> > > with CAIR Texas.
>
> > > Bhuiyan said the bigger message here is this is all about passion,
> > > forgiveness and healing.
>
> > > As the tenth anniversary of 9/11 approaches, he said it's a wake-up
> > > call for the conscience of a nation.
>
> > > On Mar 26, 5:45 am, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > --------
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> > > > The French Whitewash of Muslim on Jew Violence
>
> > > > Mar 24, 2012
>
> > > > By Barry Rubin
>
> > > > The murders in Toulouse should be a wake-up call for France. True, the
> > > > assaults on Jews and French soldiers were three individual terror attacks
> > > > perpetrated. Yet they are among dozens of antisemitic incidents that happen
> > > > daily in France and throughout Europe. A big story like the Toulouse attack
> > > > can draw attention to a broader, dangerous social trend.
>
> > > > Or it can be treated as an isolated incident. Nothing to see here; move
> > > > along; go back to sleep. Al-Qaida terrorists don't pull up in front of
> > > > Jewish schools to murder teachers and students every day, right?
>
> > > > In the past, the mass media could be expected to present a debate on how to
> > > > interpret this event but now all too often they give a monopoly to the
> > > > whitewashers and the apologists.
>
> > > > Phase one is to present any terrorist as a right-wing, neo-Nazi, or
> > > > opponent of left-wing policies. If the terrorist is a Muslim, however, his
> > > > own explanations—citing dominant interpretations of Islam and the goal of
> > > > furthering an Islamist revolution—are ignored. Instead, he or they are
> > > > presented as confused, psychologically disturbed individuals; victims of
> > > > discrimination; or, in short, anything other than ideologically motivated
> > > > revolutionaries.
>
> > > > Perhaps the leading "professional" apologist for France in this context is
> > > > Justin Vaisse. In an article in Foreign Policy, The "New Normal" in
> > > > France?, he claims that Mohamed Merah, the Toulouse terrorist, is sort of a
> > > > sad sack character who is merely seeking to take his fate into his own
> > > > hands and to emerge as the defender of oppressed Muslims in France. In
> > > > other words, he's sort of a combination of self-help fanatic and
> > > > crime-fighting superhero.
>
> > > > As for France itself, antisemitism is supposedly declining. There's no
> > > > problem and few major attacks on Jews. Everything is just fine. No need to
> > > > make changes; no need to demand that Muslims teach tolerance and fight
> > > > against extremists in their own ranks; no need to provide more protection
> > > > for Jewish institutions. And no need for a real soul-searching about the
> > > > constant demonization of Israel in the French media and, at times, schools.
>
> > > > Is this disgusting? Yes and it's also dangerous. The subhead on the article
> > > > tells us the Toulouse attack is merely "a banal and fading version of
> > > > extremism."To a Jewish ear, the word "banal" recalls the famous Hannah
> > > > Arendt line about the "banality of evil" in the Holocaust, while the word
> > > > "fading" means the problem is going away.
>
> > > > It so happens that I have met Monsieur Vaisse and discussed these issues
> > > > with him. At that time he was an advisor on Islam in the French government.
> > > > Vaisse had just written a book saying that there was no real political
> > > > problem regarding Muslims in France. The book was quickly translated into
> > > > English and published by a prestigious Washington research center.
>
> > > > According to Vaisse, the entire difficulty lay with economic and social
> > > > issues. The problem was that Muslims were poor and badly treated. If this
> > > > were fixed then there would be no radicalism, Islamism, or terrorism.
>
> > > > I asked him: Accepting your premise for the moment, why should we possibly
> > > > believe that France can solve the economic and social problems involved?
> > > > There aren't good jobs; there is no prospect of better housing and higher
> > > > living standards. Government regulations discourage entrepreneurship. So in
> > > > the context of your worldview, isn't the prospect for more radicalization
> > > > and violence?
>
> > > > He simply gave no serious answer. And this, I should add, was before the
> > > > current international economic crash and the Paris riots.
>
> > > > But there's more. A colleague asked Vaisse what sources he used in
> > > > composing his study. Only French-language sources, he replied. My
> > > > astonished colleague said that nothing could be understood without looking
> > > > also at the Arabic material that French Muslims were writing and reading.
> > > > In fact, this person added, there was an Arabic-language bookstore within
> > > > five minutes' walk of Vaisse's office and we could go there right now and
> > > > see the radical, antisemitic child-raising manuals being sold there. These
> > > > books, my colleague added, weren't just sitting on the shelves they were
> > > > being bought and used.
>
> > > > Vaisse showed zero interest in this point.
>
> > > > For Vaisse, revolutionary Islamism is simply not a factor of any
> > > > importance. While he correctly points out that many French Muslim activists
> > > > aren't personally pious in their behavior (drinking alcohol, for example),
> > > > this is besides the point. Islamism becomes a form of ethnic nationalism
> > > > for them, justifying anti-Jewish and general anti-French actions.
>
> > > > In addition, this is no transient "second-generation" phenomenon. For over
> > > > time, the radicalism is passed on to the third generation through Islamic
> > > > schools, mosques, and indoctrination at home. In effect, France and other
> > > > countries are turning themselves into permanently unstable bi-national
> > > > states.
>
> > > > Incidentally, in the Netherlands—in contrast to France—Jewish groups
> > > > successfully protested the sale of these child-raising manuals telling
> > > > parents to teach their kids that Jews were evil and should be extirpated.
> > > > The Dutch government responded by ordering
>
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