it is this. How many times compared to the others have you heard Ron
Paul say what he would do other than what we should do as a nation?
Ron Paul is more of a Statesman than a Politician
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> What I find both humorous, but at the same time troublesome, is that the
> writer of this epistle doesn't have his facts correct. "They" being
> those that call themselves "Libertarian"; really "don't get it".
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:59 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Tell me, just how many more times must this single encounter be
>> "translated" so we can understand it??
>>
>> That so many fine authors want to put such a short list of short
>> encounters in front of me with such long in-depth definitions and
>> explanations is so very Republican/Democratic of them.
>>
>> I was under the impression that the best thing about Paul supporters
>> was that they "get it". Those that don't "get it" probably never
>> will.
>>
>> Just what is to be gained by boring the piss out of me and making sure
>> that I ignore the next 20 minute article about a 5 minute
>> conversation?
>>
>> Answer... I will ignore all that follow whether about new info or
>> not.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 5:53 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>> > Friday, August 19, 2011Ron Paul s Exchange with Santorum Says It Allby
>> > Jacob G. Hornberger
>> > The exchange over Iran between Ron Paul and Rick Santorum in the recent
>> > Republican presidential debate goes a long way in explaining why the
>> > mainstream statists, including those in the Republican Party and the
>> > mainstream media, wish that libertarians would just go away.
>> > Santorum pointed to 1979, the year of the Iranian revolution, when the
>> > Iranian people took U.S. diplomats hostage and held them in captivity for
>> > about a year. Santorum pointed to that pivotal event to show that the United
>> > States has been at war with Iran ever since.
>> > For statists, Santorum s point is the end of the discussion. The U.S.
>> > government is good. It is innocent. It was just minding its own business
>> > when Iranian revolutionaries attacked our country without any reason
>> > whatsoever.
>> > We saw the same phenomenon after the 9/11 attacks. They just hate us for
>> > our freedom and values, U.S. officials cried. We were just minding our own
>> > business when the terrorists decided to kill Americans. The sentiment was
>> > the mindset of American statists.
>> > And what happens if a libertarian says, Wait a minute. The story isn t
>> > that simple. Let s look at what motivated these foreigners to do these
>> > things. Let s examine what the U.S. government has been doing in foreign
>> > affairs ?
>> > Well, we all know what happens. The statists go ballistic, both in
>> > politics and in mainstream newspapers across the land. Oh, you re blaming
>> > America! You hate our country! You must be a terrorist yourself. America,
>> > love our government or leave our country!
>> > In fact, Paul s exchange with Santorum wasn t the first time this has
>> > happened. Recall that famous debate exchange between Paul and Rudy Guliani
>> > four years ago. Paul pointed out that the terrorists came here on 9/11 to
>> > kill us because our government had been over there for years killing them.
>> > Guliani went ballistic, as did his fellow statists on the stage. Their
>> > fellow statists in the mainstream media went crazy too. No one, and
>> > certainly not a presidential candidate, is supposed to say such things. It s
>> > considered beyond the pale. Everyone knows that our government is good,
>> > wise, and benevolent, believes in freedom and democracy, and would never do
>> > anything bad to foreigners.
>> > Yet, that s actually when Ron Paul s 2008 presidential campaign took
>> > off. Tens of thousands of ordinary Americans instinctively knew that here
>> > was a man who wasn t feeding them pabulum. Here was a man who had the
>> > courage to speak the truth about U.S. foreign policy. He was willing to
>> > observe openly that the emperor wore no clothes.
>> > And that s why the statists wish that Ron Paul would just go away. It s
>> > why they wish libertarians would just go away. That s why they resent us. We
>> > cause people to confront reality, which is sometimes not a comfortable thing
>> > to do. In a sense, we libertarians are therapists, people who help their
>> > patients confront realities that are oftentimes quite painful to face.
>> > Look at the drug war. The statists just want to keep doing what they ve
>> > been doing for 40 years -- busting drug sellers, busting drug users, and
>> > locking people up for the rest of their lives. Along come libertarians and
>> > point out the utter inanity of the whole thing. The never-ending deaths,
>> > destruction, corruption, violence, gang wars, and infringements on privacy
>> > and liberty. Libertarians say: End this idiocy by legalizing drugs.
>> > But that s considered outside the pale for the statists. It s okay to
>> > call for reform of such programs. But abolition? Oh my gosh! I wish those
>> > libertarians would just shut up and go away. Everything is working out so
>> > fine without them.
>> > Look at how Ron Paul responded to Santorum. He explained to Santorum
>> > that the history of bad relations between Iran and the United States did not
>> > begin in 1979 but rather in 1953. That was the year that the CIA, the U.S.
>> > government s secret intelligence force, entered into Iran and ousted the
>> > democratically elected prime minister of the country, Mohammed Mossadegh, a
>> > man who had been named Time Magazine s Man of the Year.
>> > Why did the CIA do that? No, not for freedom and democracy, as the
>> > statists would like to believe. Instead, the CIA interfered with the
>> > internal affairs of Iran to retaliate for Mossadegh s nationalization of
>> > British oil concessions. Yes, the CIA s anti-democracy coup was about oil,
>> > not freedom and democracy.
>> > In fact, having ousted a democratically elected prime minister, the CIA
>> > proceeded to install a non-elected brutal dictator, the Shah of Iran, into
>> > power. The CIA then proceeded to train and work closely with the Shah s
>> > counterpart to the CIA, his brutal and tortuous Savak intelligence force.
>> > The Shah then proceeded to impose one of the harshest dictatorial regimes in
>> > the world on the Iranian people, with the full support of the CIA and the
>> > rest of the U.S. government.
>> > Of course, U.S. officials didn t care one whit what the Shah was doing
>> > to the Iranian people. All that mattered was that he was our friend.
>> > Imagine if Savak had assassinated John Kennedy in order to get Lyndon
>> > Johnson into power. How would the American people feel about that some 50
>> > years later? I ll tell you: the deep anger and rage would still be palpable.
>> > Well, that s how the Iranian people felt about the U.S. government in
>> > 1979. That s why they took the U.S. officials hostage. They were still angry
>> > about the CIA s ouster of their democratically elected prime minister. They
>> > were still angry about the Iranian people who had been brutalized,
>> > incarcerated, and tortured by the Shah and his goons, with the full support
>> > and cooperation of the CIA.
>> > That s what Santorum and his fellow statist cohorts don t want to
>> > confront. They want to continue living their blissful little lives of
>> > delusion. For them, the federal government is god. It is all-good. It is
>> > all-knowing. It is all-powerful. It doesn t support dictatorships. It
>> > believes in freedom and democracy. It never does bad things to people, not
>> > even conduct syphilis experiments on them.
>> > That s the myth that is inculcated in every public school across America
>> > and in most government-licensed private schools. That s the mindset that is
>> > produced in people like Santorum and the other statist candidates on that
>> > stage.
>> > It s also the mindset of the mainstream news media reporters asking the
>> > questions. That s why they feel so comfortable with the statists on stage.
>> > That s why they feel so uncomfortable whenever Ron Paul is answering their
>> > questions.
>> > Let s face it: the statists wish that libertarians had never been born
>> > and are extremely concerned about the rising popularity of libertarianism
>> > among the American people. That s why they ve done their best to lock the
>> > Libertarian Party out of the political process with their inane
>> > ballot-restriction barriers. That s why they kept Ron Paul, a long-serving
>> > congressman, out of the early presidential debates four years ago. That s
>> > why they are keeping Gary Johnson, a popular two-term governor of New
>> > Mexico, out of the current round of debates. After all, Johnson, another
>> > libertarian, is also calling for ending the drug war and bringing the troops
>> > home. Why should it surprise us that they re locking him out of the
>> > presidential debates, as they tried to do four years ago with Ron Paul?
>> > They think that if they can just keep hewing to their little myths and
>> > delusions and keep teaching them to their children in their
>> > government-approved schools, everything will be fine. If they could only
>> > shut out those pesky libertarians who confront people with truth and
>> > reality, everything would be hunky dory.
>> > But truth will out, which is why so many people are gravitating to Ron
>> > Paul. They instinctively know that he s speaking truth to power, and they
>> > can see that power doesn t like it.
>> > Ron Paul summed up the problem most eloquently when, in response to Rick
>> > Santorum, he stated, We just plain don t mind our own business. That s our
>> > problem.
>> > Of course, that s the problem with statists. They mind everyone else s
>> > business but their own.http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2011-08-19.asp
>>
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