failed policy
short advice: mind your own business
On Dec 9, 1:44 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I followed that whole "soiree' " with Georgia and Russia back several years
> ago. I was baffled as to why we or NATO would have even considered
> getting involved, just as I was when we bombed the former Yugoslavia when
> President Clinton was trying to divert attention from cum stains on an
> intern's dress.
>
> Today, when I read this story, for some reason I was thinking about the
> immense power that some unelected bureaucrat has. For instance, who made
> the decision to aid the Libyan rebels with NATO Air support, which
> ultimately led to Moammar Quadafi's downfall, and a change of power, for
> that whole region of the world? Did Hillary Clinton make such a
> decision? Could Bolton make such a decision that would ultimately change
> the balance of power in some third or fourth world region of the world?
>
> And I agree with Buchanan....How in the Hell is Marco Rubio, who I have
> liked and supported (financially) now involved in aiding and abetting the
> Georgian independence movement?
>
> Why?
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:12 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > Newt Gingrich told two groups Wednesday he intends to name Bolton
> > secretary
> > of state.
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> > With Newt appointing as America's first diplomat an uber-hawk who
> > makes
> > Dick Cheney look like Gandhi, and Mitt Romney's foreign policy team
> > crawling with neocons primed for war with Iran, a vote for the GOP in
> > 2012
> > looks more and more like a vote for war.
> > ----
> > know the enemy ... they're scumbag imperialist warmongers and zionists
>
> > On Dec 9, 9:26 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > As always, Pat Buchanan makes one stop and think....."Thought Provoking"
> > > to say the least.....
>
> > > Marco Rubio Versus Rand PaulBy Pat Buchanan12/9/2011
>
> > >http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2011/12/09/creators_oped/p...
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> > > In August 2008, as the world's leaders gathered in Beijing for the
> > Olympic
> > > games, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, hot-headed and erratic,
> > made
> > > his gamble for greatness.
>
> > > It began with a stunning artillery barrage on Tskhinvali, capital of tiny
> > > South Ossetia, a province that had broken free of Tbilisi when Tbilisi
> > > broke free of Russia. As Ossetians and Russian peacekeepers fell under
> > the
> > > Georgian guns, terrified Ossetians fled into Russia.
>
> > > Saakashvili's blitzkrieg appeared to have triumphed.
>
> > > Until, that is, Russian armor, on Vladimir Putin's orders, came
> > thundering
> > > down the Roki Tunnel into Ossetia, sending Saakashvili's army reeling.
> > The
> > > Georgians were driven out of Ossetia and expelled from a second province
> > > that had broken free of Tbilisi: Abkhazia.
>
> > > The Russians then proceeded to bomb Tbilisi, capture Gori, birthplace of
> > > Joseph Stalin, and bomb Georgian airfields rumored to be the forward
> > bases
> > > for the Israelis in any pre-emptive strike on Iran.
>
> > > The humiliation of Saakashvili was total, and brought an enraged and
> > > frustrated John McCain running to the microphones.
>
> > > "Today, we're all Georgians," bawled McCain.
>
> > > Well, not exactly.
>
> > > President Bush called Putin's response "disproportionate" and "brutal,"
> > but
> > > did nothing. Small nations that sucker-punch big powers do not get to
> > > dictate when the fisticuffs stop.
>
> > > What made this war of interest to Americans, however, was that Bush had
> > > long sought to bring Georgia into NATO. Only the resistance of Old Europe
> > > had prevented it.
>
> > > And had Georgia been a member of NATO when Saakashvili began his war,
> > U.S.
> > > Marines and Special Forces might have been on the way to the Caucasus to
> > > confront Russian troops in a part of the world where there is no vital
> > U.S.
> > > interest and never has been any U.S. strategic interest whatsoever.
>
> > > A U.S war with Russia -- over Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia --
> > would
> > > have been an act of national criminal insanity.
>
> > > Days later, there came another startling discovery.
>
> > > McCain foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann had been paid $290,000 by
> > > the Saakashvili regime, from January 2007 to March 2008, to get Georgia
> > > into NATO, and thus acquire a priceless U.S. war guarantee to fight on
> > > Georgia's side in any clash with Russia.
>
> > > What makes this history relevant today?
>
> > > Last week, Sen. Marco Rubio, rising star of the Republican right, on
> > > everyone's short list for VP, called for a unanimous vote, without
> > debate,
> > > on a resolution directing President Obama to accept Georgia's plan for
> > > membership in NATO at the upcoming NATO summit in Chicago.
>
> > > Rubio was pushing to have the U.S. Senate pressure Obama into
> > fast-tracking
> > > Georgia into NATO, making Tbilisi an ally the United States would be
> > > obligated by treaty to go to war to defend.
>
> > > Now it is impossible to believe a senator, not a year in office, dreamed
> > > this up himself. Some foreign agent of Scheunemann's ilk had to have had
> > a
> > > role in drafting it.
>
> > > And for whose benefit is Rubio pushing to have his own countrymen
> > committed
> > > to fight for a Georgia that, three years ago, started an unprovoked war
> > > with Russia? Who cooked up this scheme to involve Americans in future
> > wars
> > > in the Caucasus that are none of our business?
>
> > > The answer is unknown. What is known is the name of the senator who
> > blocked
> > > it -- Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul, who alone stepped in and objected,
> > > defeating Rubio's effort to get a unanimous vote.
>
> > > The resolution was pulled. But these people will be back. They are
> > > indefatigable when it comes to finding ways to commit the blood of U.S.
> > > soldiers to their client regimes and ideological bedfellows.
>
> > > Back in 2008, however, as Bush was confining himself to protesting the
> > > excesses of Russia's response, his ex-U.N. ambassador was full of
> > righteous
> > > rage and ready for military action.
>
> > > In the London Telegraph, Aug. 15, 2008, John Bolton declared that Russia
> > > had conducted an "invasion," that Georgia had been a "victim of
> > > aggression," that America had "fiddled while Georgia burned," that we had
> > > played the "paper tiger"when faced by the snarling Russian Bear.
>
> > > As for the European Union, in bringing about a ceasefire, it had achieved
> > > results "approaching Neville Chamberlain's moment in the spotlight at
> > > Munich."
>
> > > But did not Georgia launch the attack that started the war?
>
> > > "This confrontation is not about who violated the Marquis of Queensbury's
> > > rule in South Ossetia," scoffed Bolton. Russia planned this "rape"
> > because
> > > brave little Georgia refused to be "Finlandized."
>
> > > Restoring America's credibility, said Bolton, now requires "drawing a
> > clear
> > > line for Russia" in the Caucasus and elsewhere.
>
> > > And who is John Bolton?
>
> > > Newt Gingrich told two groups Wednesday he intends to name Bolton
> > secretary
> > > of state.
>
> > > With Newt appointing as America's first diplomat an uber-hawk who makes
> > > Dick Cheney look like Gandhi, and Mitt Romney's foreign policy team
> > > crawling with neocons primed for war with Iran, a vote for the GOP in
> > 2012
> > > looks more and more like a vote for war.
>
> > > Like the Bourbons of old, the Republican Party seems to have learned
> > > nothing and forgotten nothing.
>
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