Re: The Cult of Reagan, and Other Neocon Follies

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On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 5:18 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

not $$ ... effectiveness

Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. foreign military
assistance.Over the past decade, the U.S. has given more than $17
billion in military aid to this country of 7,746,000 people.

If military aid were cut off to Israel, the tax money could be spent
in the United States to provide 364,000 low-income households with
affordable housing vouchers, or to retrain 498,000 workers for green
jobs, or to provide access to primary health care services for 24
million uninsured Americans.
Money saved could aid the U.S. military, which is closing military
bases, freezing pay raises for service members, and cutting the
defense budget.
Military aid is given predominantly to Middle Eastern countries,
particularly Egypt, Jordan, Israel and Saudi-Arabia, neither of which
is a developing country.

On Oct 3, 8:15 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is not just Israel that has working spynets in the US. It is
> EVERYONE!!! They need them, the US and its policies can not be
> trusted.
> ----
> wanna narrow this down a bit?
>

> *Everyone*  is as narrow as it gets, and no, Israel is not the best nor the

> biggest lobby in Washington. That would be:
>

> US Chamber of Commerce<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000019798&year=2011>
> $770,655,680American Medical
> Assn<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000068&year=2011>
> $252,037,500General
> Electric<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000125&year=2011>
> $251,940,000AARP<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000023726&year=2011>
> $207,432,064Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of
> America<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000504&year=2011>
> $204,433,920American Hospital
> Assn<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000116&year=2011>
> $203,648,736Blue Cross/Blue
> Shield<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000109&year=2011>
> $169,655,236National Assn of
> Realtors<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000062&year=2011>
> $166,150,553Northrop
> Grumman<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000170&year=2011>
> $164,845,253Exxon
> Mobil<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000129&year=2011>
> $163,512,742Verizon
> Communications<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000079&year=2011>
> $158,014,841Edison Electric
> Institute<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000297&year=2011>
> $154,005,999Business
> Roundtable<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000032202&year=2011>
> $150,550,000Boeing
> Co<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000100&year=2011>
> $147,884,310Lockheed
> Martin<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000104&year=2011>
> $142,374,763AT&T
> Inc<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000076&year=2011>
> $126,449,336Southern
> Co<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000168&year=2011>
> $124,130,694General
> Motors<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000155&year=2011>
> $121,899,170PG&E
> Corp<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000290&year=2011>
> $119,190,000Pfizer
> Inc<http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000138&year=2011>

> $114,757,268
>
> Israel doesn't even make the top 20 in lobbying...the top ten are:
>

> United Arab Emirates$10,914,002United Kingdom$6,105,200Japan$4,231,656Iraq
> $3,708,368Turkey$3,524,632Morocco$3,337,392Saudi Arabia$3,308,285South Korea
> $2,941,004Netherlands$2,694,604Equatorial Guinea$2,408,168

>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, plainolamerican

> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > It is not just Israel that has working spynets in the US. It is
> > EVERYONE!!! They need them, the US and its policies can not be
> > trusted.
> > ----
> > wanna narrow this down a bit?
>
> > It is not just Israel
> > ---
> > no, israel just happens to be the largest, most effective lobby in DC
> > a lobby that can destroy any voice in opposition to israel
>
> > the US and its policies can not be trusted.
> > ---
> > but somehow the israelis can trust the US to protect them?
>
> > On Oct 3, 2:06 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Painol,
>
> > > It is not just Israel that has working spynets in the US. It is
> > > EVERYONE!!! They need them, the US and its policies can not be
> > > trusted.
>
> > > On Oct 3, 10:57 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I cannot think of any time in our history, where we "intervened" and
> > > > there
> > > > wasn't an argument for the protection of our sovereignty, including
> > > > Viet
> > > > Nam
> > > > ---
> > > > are you implying that communism was a direct threat to our
> > > > sovereignty?
> > > > if so, then wouldn't you say that socialism is a direct threat?
>
> > > > You may in fact disagree with the logic,  (and like most
> > > > Moonbats, not comprehend the Truman Doctrine
> > > > ----
> > > > Truman:
> > > > I believe that we must assist free peoples to work out their own
> > > > destinies in their own way.
> > > > Speech to a joint session of the US Congress (12 March 1947),
> > > > outlining what became known as The Truman Doctrine.
>
> > > > All the president is, is a glorified public relations man who spends
> > > > his time flattering, kissing, and kicking people to get them to do
> > > > what they are supposed to do anyway.
>
> > > >     Had ten minutes conversation with Henry Morgenthau about Jewish
> > > > ship in Palistine. Told him I would talk to Gen[eral] Marshall about
> > > > it. He'd no business, whatever to call me. The Jews have no sense of
> > > > proportion nor do they have any judgement on world affairs. Henry
> > > > brought a thousand Jews to New York on a supposedly temporary basis
> > > > and they stayed. When the country went backward — and Republican in
> > > > the election of 1946, this incident loomed large on the DP [Displaced
> > > > Person] program. The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care
> > > > not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks
> > > > get murdered or mistreated as DP as long as the Jews get special
> > > > treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political
> > > > neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or
> > > > mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no
> > > > difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management,
> > > > Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I've found very, very few who
> > > > remember their past condition when prosperity comes.
>
> > > > On Oct 3, 11:08 am, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hey PlainOl',
>
> > > > > Israel is a conundrum, and not a good example of other hot spots in
> > the
> > > > > world, albeit they are right in the middle of several issues.
>
> > > > > To the point, if any Nation does any act that would threaten the
> > sovereignty
> > > > > of the United States, then I think we have the right to intervene.
> >  Thus,
> > > > > when there are those who are not identified with a Nation-State, but
> > are
> > > > > devout on seeing Islam return to its glory of the 11th and 12th
> > centuries,
> > > > > then yes, I think we have every right to intervene. So was the case
> > with
> > > > > Afghanistan in 2001, Iraq (which we believed was a potential threat
> > in
> > > > > 2003)  and Pakistan just last year, when we violated Pakistan's
> > soveriegnty
> > > > > to go in and emasculate Osama bin Laden.
>
> > > > > I cannot think of any time in our history, where we "intervened" and
> > there
> > > > > wasn't an argument for the protection of our sovereignty, including
> > Viet
> > > > > Nam,  and Iraq.  You may in fact disagree with the logic,  (and like
> > most
> > > > > Moonbats, not comprehend the Truman Doctrine with the case of Viet
> > Nam)
> > > > > and/or be intent on revising contemporary history, but again, I can
> > think of
> > > > > no incidents.  (Maybe the Spanish American War....)
>
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:04 PM, plainolamerican
> > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > would we as a Nation have a right to interfere
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > yes ... even to the extent of dismantling their government, if
> > > > > > necessary
> > > > > > but, remember, this is not about controlling resources or
> > protecting
> > > > > > one foreign government from another
>
> > > > > > backatcha:
> > > > > > If the US stops providing military support to israel and their
> > enemies
> > > > > > attack them should we interfere?
> > > > > > remember, israel has spied on us, killed our soldiers, corrupted
> > our
> > > > > > politicians and promotes socialism in our nation
>
> > > > > > On Oct 3, 9:50 am, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey PlainOl',  (And Michael, Bruce, and all other Ron Paul
> > Supporters
> > > > > > here
> > > > > > > in PF!)
>
> > > > > > > I have a question, I think it's rather simple.   I am going to
> > give a
> > > > > > > hypothetical:
>
> > > > > > > "If Mexico decides to revert back to 19th or early 20th century
> > > > > > technology,
> > > > > > > and the Nation chooses to dump all of its sewers, waste streams
> > both
> > > > > > > residential and commercial,  (which would potentially include
> > chemical
> > > > > > waste
> > > > > > > and toxins,  leachates,  etc.)  into a system that is untreated,
> > and the
> > > > > > > stream of waste is dumped into the Gulf of Mexico, where the
> > Nation of
> > > > > > > Mexico builds a pipe in international waters to divert this
> > stream away
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > its coast, where eventually, it is going to end up on American
> > beaches
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > shorelines,  would we as a Nation have a right to interfere, or
> > to stop
> > > > > > such
> > > > > > > a waste stream?"
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:20 PM, plainolamerican
> > > > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Beginning in the early part of the twentieth century, people
> > like
> > > > > > > > Woodrow Wilson began supposing that we had the right and duty
> > to be
> > > > > > > > the world's keepers, and they have proceeded to mess things up
> > around
> > > > > > > > the world ever since.
> > > > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > > spot on!
>
> > > > > > > > those who think the US should interfere in the internal affairs
> > of
> > > > > > > > other nations and fund their militaries should fight and fund
> > their
> > > > > > > > own charities without US tax dollars and soldiers
>
> > > > > > > > you're either an American or something else
>
> > > > > > > > On Oct 1, 10:05 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The Cult of Reagan, and Other Neocon Folliesby Thomas E.
> > Woods, Jr.
> > > > > > > > > Some time agoThe American Spectator's Jeffrey Lord claimed
> > Ron Paul's
> > > > > > > > foreign policy of nonintervention was "liberal," and that
> > conservatives
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > supposed to be hawkish on foreign policy. Now to some extent,
> > no one
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > cares about these labels,
>

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