Re: The poor are not getting poorer

> My grandfather used to say " It is not always a question
> of how much one makes but how much you save and how prudent you are
> with what you have ".

You can never save enough to counter an insufficient income. I believe
more and more people are falling into that catagory. The title of this
thread is the poor are not getting poorer, that may be true but more
people are getting poorer. i once had an almost middle class job and i
felt pretty normal. now i wonder if i fit the poverty guidelines and i
feel pretty fortunate to be as well off as i am.

> 14 Trillion in debt
> and 26 Trillion by 2025 at the rate were going.

Isn't it your grandfathers generation that started running up this
debt?

My comments may seem hostile and unfriendly, sorry, didn't want it to
be so.

On Jan 29, 6:44 pm, Sage2 <wisdom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>              My grandfather used to say " It is not always a question
> of how much one makes but how much you save and how prudent you are
> with what you have ". Suffice it to say that there aren't to many like
> my grandfather left in this insatiable country. 14 Trillion in debt
> and 26 Trillion by 2025 at the rate were going. Darn!  Isn't that the
> year the minorities will be the majority. Oh well! They are waiting
> for their turn at paying the majority of taxes . So be it !
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> On Jan 29, 5:01 pm, Wes <wesleykell...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > I don't care what they say, my job doesn't pay the bills. Ungainfull
> > employment is on the rise not the decline. it should be non-existant
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> > On Jan 28, 8:04 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
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> > > The poor are not getting poorerBy Steven G. Horwitz
> > > In the latest version of its annual report "The State of Working America," the Economic Policy Institute once again argues that the gap between America's rich and poor is widening. Using a variety of data, the institute argues that a few are profiting at the expense of many.
> > > Does this narrative actually reflect the state of America's workers? My research suggests it doesn't. While there's no doubt that some Americans remain far wealthier than others, a closer look at the data shows that the prosperity gains of the last few decades have been shared by workers of all income levels.
> > > Much of the Economic Policy Institute's argument involves comparing the income or wealth gains of various groups across the years. For example, it reports that in real dollars, the bottom fifth of households earned an average of only $200 a year more in 2005 than they did in 1979.
> > > At first glance, that seems awful. However, the comparison tells us nothing about how individual households fared over time. That's because the households that occupied the bottom fifth in 2005 are not the same as those that occupied it in 1979.
> > > If we really want to know what happened to the poor of 1979, we need to be able to track specific households through time. Fortunately, we can. According to researchers at the University of Michigan, households in the bottom fifth in 1975 earned an average of almost $28,000 more per year by 1991, adjusted for inflation. According to U.S. Treasury data, a whopping 86 percent of households in the bottom fifth in 1979 had climbed out of poverty by 1988.
> > > The problem with the data in "The State of Working America" is that it does not account for the fact that individual households move up and out of poverty and are then "replaced" by different households. Most of the households in the bottom fifth are made up of people who have recently entered the labor market and are on the first rung of the income ladder, such as recent high school graduates and new immigrants. The vast majority of American households do move up, and over the last 30 years most Americans have gotten significantly richer in absolute terms.
> > > Granted, even if everyone is better off, it's still possible that the rich-poor income gap has widened. But simply measuring income and wealth tells us very little about the lifestyle of typical Americans. For example, poor Americans today are more likely to own basic household goods - such as washing machines, dishwashers, televisions, refrigerators, and toasters - than average Americans were in 1973.
> > > The gap in personal conveniences has clearly narrowed over time. Consider that both Bill Gates and more than 80 percent of poor American households own cars - though likely differing in quality. Fifty or 100 years ago, the difference would not have been in the quality of car, but in owning a car at all.
> > > Yes, there are more Americans in poverty during a recession - some in deep poverty - as the institute's data shows. But it also shows that since about 1980, the share of the population in extreme poverty has hovered between 5 and 6 percent. In other words, there's no long-term upward trend in the percentage of households living in extreme poverty.
> > > The reality of the modern U.S. economy is that upward mobility is alive and well. One look around at even the bottom fifth of American households today - where children are watching cable TV, surfing the Web, or chatting on cell phones while Dad takes free generic medicine and Mom heats something up in a microwave - shows the poor are hardly getting poorer.
> > >  Steven G. Horwitz is a professor and the chairman of the economics department at St. Lawrence University in Canton, N.Y. He can be reached atsghorw...@stlawu.edu.
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