On 10/4/10, nominal9 <nominal9@yahoo.com> wrote:
Depression is something more that a purely "psychological"
condition... it's "social", too. This young person suicide victim was
doing well enough until he was harassed (at least twice, apparently)
by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely the "recipient" of the
act of being video-recorded in his sex acts (without his knowledge or
consent, against his will) anfd then having those video-recordings
broadcast to the public. This is a two part question of "psychology"
the psychology of the room-mate (as agent/patient) who performed the
act and the the psychology of the Victim (as patient/recipient)
first.. turned (as agent patient) into the performer of his own act of
suicide.
ROOM-MATE
I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate homos / they can live
C(BAD)..........R(BAD)....
I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate homos / want them
dead
VICTIM
love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide
C(GOOD).......R(GOOD)....
love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live
ROOM-MATE
Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy
C(BAD)....R(BAD)....
Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame
VICTIM
hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live
C(BAD) .......R(BAD)......
hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide
Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act" of the ROOMMATE took
on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public shame) of the act that
was performed against him and acted as the ROOM-MATE "wanted" him
to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by the "cruelty" of
someone who could have (should have) been a "friend' (strictly that)
and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he desired...... personally, my
moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me that he should have
killed the ROOM-MATE, instead.
On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy, No.
>
> Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies person to person
> with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. Only those with
> one foot on the ledge can be shoved over.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.*
> > **
> > *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts of others,
> > such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.*
> > **
> > *Suicide is caused by many factors.*
>
> > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.*
>
> > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com> wrote:
>
> >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.]
> >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life.
>
> >> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit "self-murder." If
> >> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then that individual
> >> would be guilty of murder.
>
> >> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? If not,
> >> you are jousting at windmills.
>
> >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>
> >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.*
>
> >> On 10/1/10, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as life
> >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, both
> >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do
> >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal problem. It
> >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes me to
> >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever reason)
> >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one.
>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.*
> >>>> **
> >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.*
> >>>> *One suicide is one too many.*
>
> >>>> *No man is an island*
>
> >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man
> >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
> >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
> >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
> >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
> >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me,
> >>>> because I am involved in mankind.
> >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom
> >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
>
> >>>> -John Donne
>
> >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>
> >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing
> >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't it ??
>
> >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!"
>
> >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists in
> >>>>> EVERY walk of life.
>
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is
> >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. *
>
> >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men murdered
> >>>>>> by homophobia in America.*
>
> >>>>>>http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots...
>
> >>>>>>http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-lif...
>
> >>>>>>http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/...
>
> >>>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the
> >>>>>>> images
> >>>>>>> against the suicide victim's will....
> >>>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or not....
> >>>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle.....
> >>>>>>> nominal9
>
> >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do you
> >>>>>>> know ??
> >>>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.*
> >>>>>>> > *
> >>>>>>> > *
> >>>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something that
> >>>>>>> they find
> >>>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position first
> >>>>>>> rather than
> >>>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.*
>
> >>>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.*
> >>>>>>> > > **
> >>>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not for
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on the
> >>>>>>> internet by
> >>>>>>> > > his straight roomate.*
>
> >>>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a
> >>>>>>> societal
> >>>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids a
> >>>>>>> gay guy then
> >>>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who filmed
> >>>>>>> him should
> >>>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he took
> >>>>>>> his own life
> >>>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other than
> >>>>>>> homophobia,
> >>>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you think
> >>>>>>> it does and
> >>>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do determine
> >>>>>>> if it was
> >>>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy does
> >>>>>>> not get a job
> >>>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that
> >>>>>>> someone better
> >>>>>>> > >> applied also.
>
> >>>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life if
> >>>>>>> he had
> >>>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?*
> >>>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. *
> >>>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate secretly
> >>>>>>> filmed the
> >>>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet.
> >>>>>>> > >> *
> >>>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep shame,
> >>>>>>> ridicule,
> >>>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.*
>
> >>>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!*
>
> >>>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Tommy,
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing and
> >>>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to take
> >>>>>>> his own
> >>>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him.
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind.
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and
> >>>>>>> love of
> >>>>>>> > >>> ones self ???
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President
> >>>>>>> Obama and
> >>>>>>> > >>> Congress
> >>>>>>> > >>> > *
> >>>>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill,
> >>>>>>> to amend
> >>>>>>> > >>> the
> >>>>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and
> >>>>>>> gender
> >>>>>>> > >>> identity.*
> >>>>>>> > >>> > **
> >>>>>>> > >>> > <
>
> >>>>>>>http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in New
> >>>>>>> York
> >>>>>>> > >>> after his
> >>>>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and posted on
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> > >>> internet
> >>>>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have
> >>>>>>> killed
> >>>>>>> > >>> themselves
> >>>>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate!
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif:
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of Brooklyn,
> >>>>>>> NY and
> >>>>>>> > >>> really
> >>>>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems.
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at:
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
> >>>>>>> > >>> > ...
> >>>>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY:
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about homophobia,
> >>>>>>> school
> >>>>>>> > >>> bullying
> >>>>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more suicide
> >>>>>>> letters. ***
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > To President Obama,
> >>>>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, the
> >>>>>>> young man
> >>>>>>> > >>> who
> >>>>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another man
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>> > >>> posted on
> >>>>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 students
> >>>>>>> accused of
> >>>>>>> > >>> this
> >>>>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will be
> >>>>>>> doing a
> >>>>>>> > >>> grave
> >>>>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in this
> >>>>>>> country
> >>>>>>> > >>> who
> >>>>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times
> >>>>>>> greater risk
> >>>>>>> > >>> of
> >>>>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having their
> >>>>>>> private
> >>>>>>> > >>> sexual
> >>>>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it
> >>>>>>> seems
> >>>>>>> > >>> unlikely
> >>>>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if this
> >>>>>>> had been a
> >>>>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would not
>
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