Monday, December 6, 2010

I see the Euros are at it about SWIFT again (more from Wikileaks)

    This was one of the systems I processed the input to before I retired.   We at Citibank used to send over a million transactions per day to this SWIFT system tracking all sorts of money transaction and I managed the processing of that system.   When the NYT disclosed that the US was using this system to track money payments to Al Qaeda they really put a crimp in our ability to check the funding for terrorism almost as badly as when they revealed that we were listening in on cell phones that the terrorists were using.  Now they have a new article about it.   We don't need enemies.  We have the MSM for that.

Europe Wary of U.S. Bank Monitors

By ERIC LICHTBLAU

When Europeans halted a program used to monitor international banking transactions, the United States had to scramble to regain support for it.


Europe Wary of U.S. Bank Monitors

WASHINGTON — When the European Parliament ordered a halt in February to an American government program to monitor international banking transactions for terrorist activity, the Obama administration was blindsided by the rebuke.

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“Paranoia runs deep especially about US intelligence agencies,” a secret cable from the American Embassy in Berlin said. “We were astonished to learn how quickly rumors about alleged U.S. economic espionage” had taken root among German politicians who opposed the program, it said.

The memo was among dozens of State Department cables that revealed the deep distrust of some traditional European allies toward what they considered American intrusion into their citizens’ affairs without stringent oversight.

The program, created in secrecy by the Bush administration after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, has allowed American counterterrorism officials to examine banking transactions routed through a vast database run by a Brussels consortium known as Swift. When the program was disclosed in 2006 by The New York Times, just months after the newspaper reported the existence of the National Security Agency’s warrantless wiretapping program, it set off protests in Europe and forced the United States to accept new restrictions.

But by 2010, new leaders at the European Parliament had what one State Department memo called “a fixation” on privacy issues. On Feb. 10, the Europeans voted 378 to 196 to halt the Swift program.

Obama administration officials valued it because it allowed them to trace the transactions of suspected terrorist financiers while including “robust” privacy protections, according to the cables.

But many Europeans were skeptical. Some allies not only were concerned that program might be used to steal secrets from European companies, but also considered it of “dubious” value.

In Austria, for example, “the Nazi legacy and familiarity with communist regimes” have fueled “a widespread presumption against government data collection and in favor of stringent privacy protections,” officials at the embassy wrote.

Many Germans, meanwhile, remember “how the Stasi,” the former East German secret police, “abused information to destroy people’s lives,” according to a dispatch from the American Embassy in Berlin.

Opposition in Germany was particularly damaging because the country was among a handful of allies that, according to a 2006 cable, organized a “coalition of the constructive” to ensure that the Swift operation was not “ruined by privacy experts.”

After German representatives voted against the program, a German official reported to American diplomats that Chancellor Angela Merkel — a strong supporter of the program — was “angrier than he had ever seen her.”

After mobilizing top officials, including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, TreasurySecretary Timothy F. Geithner and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., the administration was able to reverse course. The European Parliament voted 484 to 109 in July to restart the program after the United States made modest concessions that promised greater European oversight.



Steven Greenhut: Wikileaks No Threat To Free Society

Steven Greenhut: Wikileaks No Threat To Free Society
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/government-278744-information-people.html

From the article:

"
Clearly, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has done our nation a service by publishing at-times embarrassing accounts of how the U.S. government conducts its foreign policy. This is a government that claims to be of the people, by the people and for the people, and which has grand pretenses about projecting freedom worldwide, yet it wants to be able to keep most of the details of its actions away from the prying eyes of the public."
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Re: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

I believe that Geraldo Rivera is a moderate.
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I happen to like him, but he's a friggin hippie. Do you also believe
your shit don't stink?

Oh, and by the way, Rush isn't on Fox.

Fox surely leans right, but compared to using forged documents to
influence a presidential election for the left, hardly a big deal.

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RE: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

Don’t forget the advice Tommy gets from his mother.  Mother Jones, that is.  Expanding narrow minds is not on the Progressive’s agenda Keith.  You know that!

 

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From: politicalforum@googlegroups.com [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith In Tampa
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 09:05
To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

 

Tom?

 

Do you read any other news sources besides the Daily Kos?  TruthOut.org?  

 

Watch any other news shows besides MSNBC??

 

Expand your horizons!!

 



 

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

1-So what?

2- No, that is false.

3- No, The Republicans are saying "Drop Dead!" to the unemployed.



On 12/5/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>
> It was blocked for EVERYONE not "the middle class".
>
> The problem was the Dems wanted to include yet another extension of
> "unreimbursed, unfunded unemployment that totaled in the billions.
>
> The Republicans voted against this and said openly that if unfunded
> mandates were left out they would pass your tax cut extension. The
> dems just could not let the bill go through without adding a rider.
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 12:56 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> GOP Senators unanimously block House-passed extension of tax breaks to
>> ordinary people (while not extending Bush's tax cuts to the rich).
>> Dispicable Grand Opressive Party Behavior. Who voted for these wealthy
>> eletist criminals?
>>
>> Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class
>>
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h5ylCoSn1PNl-pRXPU...
>>
>> --
>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> Have a great day,
>> Tommy
>
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Re: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

Yeah, his Al Capone shtick was just great. Geraldo has always been a
rabble rouser to feed his own ego. He has made a fool of himself so
long he has no credibility at all. Love to hear your definition of
"yellow journalist" - sounds like anyone who does not match your
politics is either a "yellow journalist" because you can't refute their
POV validly or

"incompetant (sic) comedic rabble rousing inflamitory (sic) "Tea Party" entertainers" because they believe that government should do only what is absolutely necessary and get out of the way and let the people do their jobs and that the people know better what they need to do than Uncle Sugar does. Must really suck to be you and have to be told in your early morning phone network call what your latest talking point is to be.


On 12/06/2010 11:55 AM, Tommy News wrote:
> Jonathan-
>
> I believe that Geraldo Rivera is a moderate, and I have always admired his work.
>
> The others, especially Bill O'Reilly and Greta Van Susteren, are
> "yellow jounalists", in my opinion.
>
> Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and others I
> view as incompetant comedic rabble rousing inflamitory "Tea Party"
> entertainers.
>
> On 12/6/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>> I know of one person who thinks that 75% of the FOX News hosts are
>> left-wing Socialists.
>>
>> If you think Shepard Smith, Greta Van Susteren, Juan Williams, Geraldo
>> Rivera, and Bill O'Reilly are conservatives, you are sadly mistaken.
>>
>> On 12/6/2010 7:32 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>> Yes, Keith.
>>>
>>> I tune into Faux Noise briefly almost daily to see what the right is
>>> ranting about.
>>> I also take a look at the Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times,
>>> and occasionally at the National Review, and at several other other
>>> publications. My reading choices are diverse.
>>>
>>> What I usually find on Faux Noise is right wing sloganeering,
>>> negativity, spin, pretzel glue logic, and punditry railing against
>>> The President of The United States at every turn. "Fair and balanced",
>>> my ass.
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>>
>>> On 12/6/10, Keith In Tampa<keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Tom?
>>>>
>>>> Do you read any other news sources besides the Daily Kos? TruthOut.org?
>>>>
>>>> Watch any other news shows besides MSNBC??
>>>>
>>>> Expand your horizons!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1-So what?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2- No, that is false.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3- No, The Republicans are saying "Drop Dead!" to the unemployed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/5/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was blocked for EVERYONE not "the middle class".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem was the Dems wanted to include yet another extension of
>>>>>> "unreimbursed, unfunded unemployment that totaled in the billions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Republicans voted against this and said openly that if unfunded
>>>>>> mandates were left out they would pass your tax cut extension. The
>>>>>> dems just could not let the bill go through without adding a rider.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 5, 12:56 pm, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> GOP Senators unanimously block House-passed extension of tax breaks to
>>>>>>> ordinary people (while not extending Bush's tax cuts to the rich).
>>>>>>> Dispicable Grand Opressive Party Behavior. Who voted for these wealthy
>>>>>>> eletist criminals?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h5ylCoSn1PNl-pRXPU.
>>>>> ..
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>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>> Tommy
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>> *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover
>> of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
>> - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)
>>
>> "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least
>> develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican
>> government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our
>> collective ignorance."
>> - Ron Paul*
>>
>> *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts
>> to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants.
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>> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get
>> Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY
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>> available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.*
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>> <http://constitutionpreservation.org/media-archive/i-will-not-comply>
>> With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government*
>> http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
>>
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>> caught exercising them."
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>>
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>> cannot be."
>> - Thomas Jefferson***
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