Re: SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP'

you will find that the USA
was founded on Christian principal...NOT religion. There is a HUGE
difference between the two.
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and a huge difference between a xian nation and one founded on xian
principles
so, you need to talk to Keith about it

the US supports Israel NOT because of any
particular religion they practice there (just as meany as in the USA)
but
because of its form of Government in an area of the world that
otherwise
lacks any true republic.
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hogwash
without the xians and AIPAC blackmailing our politicians israel would
be just another shit hole in the middle east

As to discriminating against Muzzies... It's not done
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Western support for the continued existence of the State of Israel has
been declared part of a "war against Islam." Osama bin Laden has
declared that "the West's rejection of the fairly elected Hamas
government is a reaffirmation of the 'injustice, aggression, and
rancor' against Palestinians." Enver Masud, an Indian Muslim and
author of the book The War on Islam says that while there are no
Muslims in high-level policy making and media jobs in the United
States, "Jewish Americans occupy nearly every single position relating
to US Arab-Israeli policy."

In modern day, events alleged to be attacks on Islam include media
portrayal of the religion and the War on Terrorism. Statements
portraying Islam as a destructive ideology have been made by Jerry
Falwell, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, V.S. Naipaul[36] and Ann Coulter
following the 9/11 attack.[37] Franklin Graham, the son of famed
American Christian evangelist Billy Graham, declared in November 2001
that "the God of Islam is not the same God. He's not the son of God of
the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God and I
believe it is a very evil and wicked religion."
U.S. and UK soldiers in Helmand province. George W. Bush's reference
to the invasion of Afghanistan as a crusade fuelled the idea that the
West was at war with Islam

On September 16, 2001, George W. Bush referred to the war in
Afghanistan as a Crusade: "This crusade, this war on terrorism is
going to take a while. And the American people must be patient. I'm
going to be patient."

According to Boston-based novelist and author James Carroll, the
conflict between Muslims and Westerners "has its origins more in `the
West` than in the House of Islam." And can be traced to "the poison
flower of the Crusades, with their denigrations of distant cultures,"
and other Western injustices.

Proponents of this view often consider the War on Terrorism with the
accompanying 2001 military activity in Afghanistan, 2003 invasion of
Iraq to be part of the war against Islam. The Western colonial
domination of the Middle East for a good part of the 20th Century is
also regarded as such an attack.

On Feb 28, 12:05 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Plainol... If you would actually bother to read you will find that the USA
> was founded on Christian principal...NOT religion. There is a HUGE
> difference between the two.
>
> If you also bothered to read something besides anti-religious blogs on the
> subject you would find that the US supports Israel NOT because of any
> particular religion they practice there (just as meany as in the USA) but
> because of its form of Government in an area of the world that otherwise
> lacks any true republic.
>
> As to discriminating against Muzzies... It's not done. Look to Egypt &
> Lybia & Iraq & &&&&, (the US aided in the overthrow of  secularist
> governments) much to their dismay, but done nonetheless.
>
> As to Homosexuals... they are bringing it on themselves...for the most part.
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:49 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > Franklin was but one myth believer.
>
> > but go ahead and think the USA is a xian nation if it makes you feel
> > better ... hopefully you'll be at peace while your children and
> > grandchildren are killing and dying to control the mythical holy land
> > and discriminating against muzzies and homosexuals.
>
> > On Feb 28, 9:59 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > That's just not true PlainOl.   Jefferson's words that you reference were
> > > only a ruse, and there have been numerous, contemporaneous articles
> > written
> > > at the time of the logic behind what Jefferson wrote at the time.
>
> > > Read Franklin's auto-biography!
>
> > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:55 AM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > see my above post
>
> > > > you can't void the fact that many religions were represented and all
> > > > were welcomed.
>
> > > > the US is not and never was intended to be a xian nation
>
> > > > On Feb 28, 9:48 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Good Morning PlainOl,
>
> > > > > *See* my above post.
>
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:46 AM, plainolamerican <
> > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > They were Christians;
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > > it doesn't matter if they were xians ... the USA is was intended
> > to be
> > > > > > a secular nation
>
> > > > > > they knew the evils of Islam;
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > Jefferson demanded recognition of the religious rights of the
> > > > > > "Mahamdan," the Jew and the "pagan." Supporting Jefferson was his
> > old
> > > > > > ally, Richard Henry Lee, who had made a motion in Congress on June
> > 7,
> > > > > > 1776, that the American colonies declare independence. "True
> > freedom,"
> > > > > > Lee asserted, "embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as
> > well
> > > > > > as the Christian religion."
>
> > > > > >  and they
> > > > > > knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would be
> > > > > > folks
> > > > > > like you who would attempt to re-write history.
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > wrong, I'm acknowledging history ... you're trying to rewrite US
> > > > > > history as wholly xian ... something that it is not
>
> > > > > > On Feb 28, 9:22 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > That whole theory about our Founding Fathers being, "Deist"  is
> > horse
> > > > > > > hockey.  They were Christians; they knew the evils of Islam; and
> > they
> > > > > > > knew,  some two hundred thirty-five years ago, that there would
> > be
> > > > folks
> > > > > > > like you who would attempt to re-write history.
> > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM, plainolamerican
> > > > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > You're a myth believer and you call me a moonbat? That's almost
> > > > funny.
>
> > > > > > > > He would very much like to
> > > > > > > > rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation was
> > > > founded
> > > > > > > > upon
> > > > > > > > Christian principles and tenets
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > by men who knew better than to integrate religion into our
> > > > government.
> > > > > > > > While many Americans did practice Christianity, so also did
> > many
> > > > > > > > believe in deistic philosophy, judaism, islam, and a host of
> > other
> > > > > > > > religions or no religion at all.
> > > > > > > > To try and give xians credit for founding America or making it
> > a
> > > > xian
> > > > > > > > nation is not factual. You're attempt to do so makes you look
> > like
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > religious nutcase.
> > > > > > > > Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of
> > religion.
>
> > > > > > > > On Feb 27, 10:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hey Mark!
>
> > > > > > > > > PlainOl is pretty much the same as a Moonbat.  He would very
> > much
> > > > > > like to
> > > > > > > > > rewrite history, and he detests that fact that this Nation
> > was
> > > > > > founded
> > > > > > > > upon
> > > > > > > > > Christian principles and tenets.
>
> > > > > > > > > As far as the Church of the Gonz......I strive for the Golden
> > > > Coffee
> > > > > > > > Table!
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Keith and I are both members of the same congregation...
> > The
> > > > > > Church of
> > > > > > > > > > Gonz (send money or women)
> > > > > > > >http://www.gonzphoto.com/TheChurchofGonz.html
> > > > > > > > > >  I am one of the exalted High 5 of this fine
> > organization....
>
> > > > > > > > > > Please don't try to compare us or our privately held
> > beliefs to
> > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > "mainstream".
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > > > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > >> you are free to join Santorum and Gingrich as a religious
> > > > nutcase
>
> > > > > > > > > >> On Feb 27, 2:09 pm, Keith In Tampa <
> > keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > That is about as crackpot sounding, as LilMoonbatTomTom
> > > > sounds
> > > > > > > > > >> > Moonbatty.....
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > > > > >> plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Santorum and Gingrich are religious nutcases compared
> > to
> > > > > > Romney
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Paul.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > They want to make the USA a xian nation. They. like
> > the
> > > > the
> > > > > > jews,
> > > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > > >> > > to protect their flock all over the globe.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > They should fund and fight their own religious wars.
> > > > > > Americans owe
> > > > > > > > > >> > > them nothing.
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > On Feb 26, 3:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
> > > > markmka...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Tommytomtom,
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Please show me "separation of church and state"...
> > it
> > > > does
> > > > > > > > guarantee
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > "freedom of religion" NOT "freedom from religion"
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Feb 26, 2:24 pm, Tommy News <
> > tommysn...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > From Greg
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > SANTORUM: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE 'MAKES ME
> > > > WANT TO
> > > > > > > > THROW
> > > > > > > > > >> UP' -
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Alana Horowitz reports on the Huffington
> > Post:"Rick
> > > > > > Santorum
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > >> Sunday
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > took on of separation of church and state."'I
> > don't
> > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > > in an
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > America where the separation of church and state
> > are
> > > > > > > > absolute,' he
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. 'The
> > idea
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> church
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > can have no influence or no involvement in the
> > > > operation
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> state
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and
> > > > vision
> > > > > > of our
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > country...to say that people of faith have no
> > role in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > square? You bet that makes me want to throw up.'
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > "The GOP candidate was responding to comments he
> > made
> > > > last
> > > > > > > > > >> October. He
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > had said that he 'almost threw up' after reading
> > JFK's
> > > > > > 1960
> > > > > > > > > >> speech in
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > which he declared his commitment to the
> > separation of
> > > > > > church
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > state. "Santorum also on Sunday told Meet The
> > Press
> > > > host
> > > > > > David
> > > > > > > > > >> Gregory
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > that separation of church and state was 'not the
> > > > founders'
> > > > > > > > > >> vision.'
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > "The GOP candidate has been doubling down on
> > religious
> > > > > > > > rhetoric
> > > > > > > > > >> in an
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > effort to court evangelical voters ahead of Super
> > > > Tuesday.
> > > > > > > > Last
> > > > > > > > > >> week,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > he questioned Obama's spiritual beliefs."'[Obama
> > > > believes
> > > > > > in]
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > phony ideal, some phony theology ... not a
> > theology
> > > > based
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Bible, a different theology,' he said."
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > More:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > HuffingtonPost.com
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a
> > time.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Tommy
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a
> > time.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Tommy
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > --
>
> ...
>
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