On Jan 17, 8:42 am, Keith In Tampa <
keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I love it when Crackpots fight amongst themselves.......It makes for good
> entertainment.
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> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM, MJ <
micha...@america.net> wrote:
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> > *The Stupid and the Dishonest Join the Attacks on Ron Paul
> > *by Thomas J. DiLorenzo
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> > Yet another neocon Republican establishment political hack has
> > demonstrated ignorance, deceit, and bad manners in yet another attack on
> > Ron Paul. This time it is one Jeffrey Lord, a "contributing editor" to *The
> > American Spectator *magazine. Writing in a January 15 article on the
> > Philly.com Web site, Lord feigns outrage over the fact that five years ago
> > Ron Paul told NBC's "Meet the Press" that the Civil War was unnecessary to
> > end slavery. Lord is being deceitful here by taking what Ron Paul said out
> > of context. I remember Ron Paul's appearance on that show, and the point he
> > was making was that all the rest of the world – the British, Spaniards,
> > French, Dutch, Danes, Swedes, the Northern states in the U.S. – ended
> > slavery *peacefully* in the nineteenth century. His point was that we
> > should have done what the British did, and used tax dollars to purchase the
> > freedom of the slaves and then ended it forever. That, Said Ron Paul, would
> > have been preferable to a war that ended up killing over 650,000 Americans
> > (850,000 according the the very latest historical research) while
> > destroying a large part of the U.S. economy. Lord is obviously ignorant of
> > all of this history.
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> > Lord cites my book, *The Real Lincoln*<
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761526463?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&l...>,
> > to feign additional outrage over the fact that I supposedly called Lincoln
> > a "Dictator-President." He apparently suffered a case of the vapors when he
> > discovered that Ron Paul listed *The Real Lincoln* as "recommended
> > reading" at the end of his own book, *Revolution: A Manifesto*<
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0446537527/ref=as_li_tf_til?tag=lewrockwell...>.
> > I don't ever recall ever using those exact words about Lincoln, but I do
> > know that generations of historians have routinely referred to "the Lincoln
> > dicatatorhip," although usually calling it a benign dictatorship. They have
> > done this because of Lincoln's illegal suspension of Habeas Corpus, the
> > mass imprisonment of tens of thousands of Northern political dissenters,
> > the shutting down of hundreds of opposition newspapers, the deportation of
> > opposition member of Congress Clement L. Vallandigham, the rigging of
> > elections, and worse. (Read *Freedom Under Lincoln*<
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006BMC1I?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&l...>by Dean Sprague; and
> > *Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln*<
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/117587924X?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&l...>by James Randall). Lord is obviously ignorant of these historical facts as
> > well.
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> > Jeffrey Lord is simply lying when he writes that "[Ron] Paul shares with
> > DiLorenzo the belief that the war was not fought over issues of Union . .
> > ." That in fact is exactly what I have argued in my writings. Southerners
> > (and most Northern newspaper editors as well, by the way) believed that the
> > union was voluntary, that the states that ratified the Constitution were
> > sovereign, and that they therefore had a right to join *or not join* the
> > Union. Lincoln believed that the union was a compulsory union from which
> > there could never under any circumstances be any escape, and that he
> > consequently had a right to wage total war on the civilian population of
> > the South to "save the union." I have argued that Lincoln *destroyed* the
> > American union of the founders, which was in fact a voluntary union.
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> > I have also quoted Lincoln himself as saying that his invasion of the
> > Southern states was not to free the slaves but to "save the union" by
> > destroying the right of secession. Lord expresses additional outrage that I
> > have repeated Lincoln's own views in my writing, instead of the comic book
> > version of history that he prefers, which says that Lincoln launched an
> > invasion to supposedly free the slaves. Of course, the
> > Republican-controlled U.S. Congress also announced to the world at the
> > beginning of the Civil War that the purpose of the war was not to interfere
> > with slavery but to "save the union." Jeffrey Lord is obviously ignorant of
> > this aspect of American history as well.
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> > What's even worse, says Jeffrey Lord, many contributors to
> > LewRockwell.com, such as myself, "are no fans" of some of the more
> > notorious members of the neocon cabal such as "William F. Buckley, Jr.,
> > Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Mark Levin"!! To this I plead guilty. Why,
> > even "Rick Santorum also makes the list" of political figures who have been
> > criticized by people like myself on LewRockwell.com. Off with our heads!
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> > Jeffrey Lord also lies when he writes that "The Constitution, DiLorenzo
> > maintains, is a 'subversion' orchestrated by Founding Father Alexander
> > Hamilton to overthrow what DiLorenzo calls America's first constitution –
> > the Articles of Confederation." First of all, I am hardly the first to note
> > that the Constitution overthrew the Articles of Confederation. Scholars
> > have been saying this for more than 200 years, but Jeffrey Lord is of
> > course ignorant of this fact as well.
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> > Secondly, I have never argued that Hamilton "orchestrated" the
> > Constitution as some kind of "subversion." Hamilton was essentially the
> > original neocon, who showed up at the constitutional convention advocating
> > a permanent president who would appoint all state governors, who would in
> > turn have veto power over all state legislation. He did not get his way;
> > the Constitution did not create a king, nor did it allow for the creation
> > of an interventionist, mercantilist, corporate welfare empire of the sort
> > Hamilton desired. (It wouldn't be until the Lincoln administration that
> > that was achieved). Hamilton did invent the idea of "implied powers" of the
> > Constitution, and was the first to make the expansive interpretations of
> > the Welfare and Commerce Clauses of the Constitution that have been used to
> > essentially destroy the ability of the Constitution to limit the growth of
> > government. I explain the Hamiltonian subversion of the Constitution that
> > took place for decades after Hamilton's death in my book, *Hamilton's
> > Curse*<
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307382850?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&l...>.
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> > Perhaps the most ridiculous part of Jeffrey Lord's rant is that he invokes
> > the left-wing hate group known as the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as
> > one of his "authorities" in criticizing Ron Paul (and me). The SPLC
> > espouses a communistic political philosophy and is so radical that it holds
> > the confessed terrorist and murderer William Ayers up as a role model for
> > children on its Web site, along with a woman named "Red Emma" Goldman, a
> > twentieth-century communist who advocated the violent overthrow of the U.S.
> > government in order to adopt communism in America. (Ayers admitted setting
> > off bombs at the Capitol Building in Washington and at police stations in
> > the 1960s, and recently told the *New York Times* that he wishes he had
> > set off even more bombs).
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> > The *modus oprandi* of the SPLC is to publicly label any and all critics
> > of its left-wing extremism as "haters" or somehow "linked to" hate groups.
> > When the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C. sponsored a
> > public lecture on immigration policy, for example, the SPLC accused AEI of
> > "mainstreaming hate." The scholars at AEI are all really KKK guys in nice
> > suits, you see. When the TEA Party movement was formed as a response to
> > Obama's mad rush to socialism the SPLC issued a special report on the
> > movement that had the subtitle, "The Year in Hate." These are the kinds of
> > people who Jeffrey Lord of *The American Spectator* magazine chooses to
> > associate himself with to assist him in his ignorant smears of Ron Paul and
> > me.
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http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo225.html >
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