Re: GOP operatives fear lasting Ron Paul problem

Planol and Keith, when we first went into Afghanistan and Iraq and we
wasn't concerned about collateral damage. How many lives did we lose?
But when we became political correct how many have we lost? Two
countries which can blow each other up, but we have to be careful.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well PlainOl',  listen to Dr. Paul's foreign policy agenda, and tell me
> where you hear anything regarding such a plan as massive aerial
> assaults......Dr. Paul would make an excellent Secretary of Treasury, but
> Commander In Chief, he ain't!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:08 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> The fact is that there are fundamentalist Muslims who believe in
>> dar-al-islam that control many of the Nation-States within the Middle
>> East,
>> and these individuals want to see Western Civilization, (to include
>> the
>> United States, first and foremost)  gone, done away with,  destroyed,
>> G'Nite.
>> ---
>> that's true ...
>>
>> Doesn't have a thing to do with Nation Building,  it has to do with
>> self
>> preservation
>> ---
>> to invade, destroy, and rebuild muzzy countries in the name of
>> democracy in insanity.
>> solution: find the terrorists, kill them, and then bring the troops
>> home.
>> we do NOT have a responsibility to rebuild what is destroyed nor do we
>> owe their innocent civilians squat!!!
>> in fact, they owe US an apology and should repay US for the expense of
>> getting rid of their scum
>>
>> massive aerial assaults work best and saves US lives
>>
>>
>> On Aug 16, 12:58 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Anyone who thinks that there are just a few misplaced Muslims, and the
>> > World
>> > of Islam is still the religion of peace is out of touch as much as
>> > Stinky
>> > is.
>> >
>> > The fact is that there are fundamentalist Muslims who believe in
>> > dar-al-islam that control many of the Nation-States within the Middle
>> > East,
>> > and these individuals want to see Western Civilization, (to include the
>> > United States, first and foremost)  gone, done away with,  destroyed,
>> > G'Nite.
>> >
>> > Doesn't have a thing to do with Nation Building,  it has to do with self
>> > preservation.
>> >
>> > Anyone who doesn't understand this,  including Ron  Paul, is flat out
>> > misplaced.  *See* Whoopie Goldberg, Babs Streisand,  Rosie O'Donnell,
>> >  Sean
>> > Penn,  Barack Obama,  Ron Paul,  and a host of other confused Moonbats
>> > and
>> > Crackpots.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:44 PM, plainolamerican
>> > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of supporting
>> > > a
>> > > strong national defense that is troublesome
>> > > ----
>> > > pulling US troops home is not naive nor does it weaken national
>> > > defense
>> >
>> > > those in favor of nation building and US intervention would disagree
>> >
>> > > On Aug 16, 6:20 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > I think York aptly describes the issue, but to categorize "GOP
>> > > Operatives"
>> > > > as fearing Ron Paul is a bit of a stretch.
>> >
>> > > > First, I am not sure what a "Repulbican Operative" is.  Is it
>> > > > someone who
>> > > > campaigns, supports,  and even financially contributes to the Party?
>> > >  Then I
>> > > > would qualify as an "Operative" and I don't fear Ron Paul nor do I
>> > > > fear
>> > > his
>> > > > supporters, including the crackpot supporters.  I drink beer with
>> > > > them,
>> > >  go
>> > > > to Church with them,  play poker (when I am in Tampa) with them, and
>> > > > when
>> > > > the subject of politics comes up, try to show them the fallacy of
>> > > > Paul's
>> > > > ways. Most of the Paul supporters I know agree, with a hand full,
>> > > > that
>> > > can
>> > > > best be described as, "Crackpots".
>> >
>> > > > The truth is, that most all Americans agree with a smaller, fiscally
>> > > > responsible government that adheres to the Constitution of the
>> > > > United
>> > > > States.  Paul stands for that, as does the Tea Party movement, which
>> > > again,
>> > > > much to the dismay of Democrats and far left extremists,  I believe
>> > > > is
>> > > the
>> > > > majority of this Nation.
>> >
>> > > > It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of
>> > > > supporting a
>> > > > strong national defense that is troublesome and therefore
>> > > > disqualifying.
>> >
>> > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:53 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > *GOP operatives fear lasting Ron Paul problem
>> > > > > *By: Byron York
>> > > > > 08/15/11 8:05 PM
>> >
>> > > > > Republicans dodged a big bullet at the Ames straw poll on
>> > > > > Saturday. If
>> > > just
>> > > > > 77 of the 4,283 people who voted for Rep. Michele Bachmann had
>> > > > > voted
>> > > instead
>> > > > > for Rep. Ron Paul, then Paul would have won the straw poll. In the
>> > > > > end,
>> > > > > Bachmann came out ahead with 28.55 percent of the vote to Paul's
>> > > > > 27.65
>> > > > > percent. No other candidate was close.
>> >
>> > > > > Some well-connected Iowa Republicans viewed it as a bullet dodged
>> > > because
>> > > > > they had long feared the possibility of a Paul victory. "It would
>> > > > > pour
>> > > jet
>> > > > > fuel on the East Coast narrative that Iowa is just too nutty to
>> > > > > have
>> > > such an
>> > > > > important place in the nominating process," says one of those
>> > > Republicans.
>> > > > > Before the poll, they saw a Paul-Bachmann one-two finish as the
>> > > worst-case
>> > > > > scenario. They ended up with Bachmann-Paul -- a result
>> > > > > establishment
>> > > > > Republicans viewed as somewhat better than the other way around --
>> > > > > and
>> > > got a
>> > > > > lot of the criticism anyway.
>> >
>> > > > > The criticism came not just from Democrats or so-called Eastern
>> > > > > elite
>> > > RINOs
>> > > > > (Republicans In Name Only). "Ron Paul is going to destroy this
>> > > > > party if
>> > > they
>> > > > > keep him in there," said Rush Limbaugh the day after the Aug. 11
>> > > > > Fox
>> > > > > News-Washington Examiner debate in Ames. "This is nuts on parade."
>> >
>> > > > > Key Republicans in Iowa -- and around the country, too -- are
>> > > > > genuinely
>> > > > > baffled by the Paul phenomenon. They understand (and share) many
>> > > > > of
>> > > Paul's
>> > > > > views on the Constitution and limiting the size and scope of the
>> > > federal
>> > > > > government, even if they think Paul sometimes goes too far. What
>> > > perplexes
>> > > > > them is Paul's take on foreign policy, especially the threat of
>> > > > > Iran
>> > > > > acquiring nuclear weapons.
>> >
>> > > > > "Why wouldn't it be natural that they might want a weapon?" Paul
>> > > > > asked
>> > > at
>> > > > > the Fox-Examiner debate. "They'd be given more respect. ... What's
>> > > > > so
>> > > > > terribly bad about this?" As for sanctions against Iran, Paul
>> > > > > said,
>> > > > > "Countries that you put sanctions on, you are more likely to fight
>> > > them. ...
>> > > > > I say stay out of their internal business."
>> >
>> > > > > The crowd in Iowa State University's Stephens Auditorium included
>> > > > > a
>> > > large
>> > > > > group of Paul supporters who broke into loud cheers every time
>> > > > > Paul
>> > > spoke,
>> > > > > including when he gave his views on Iran. "That audience goes
>> > > > > nuts,"
>> > > > > Limbaugh said the next day. "I think, 'Oh, my gosh, what am I
>> > > > > watching
>> > > > > here?' "
>> >
>> > > > > It's likely most Republicans agree with Limbaugh's assessment, and
>> > > Paul's
>> > > > > ability to say such things and still remain a force in the party
>> > > confuses
>> > > > > many in the GOP. "What part of his support is attributable to a
>> > > different
>> > > > > world view, and what part is attributable to the economic
>> > > > > libertarian
>> > > world
>> > > > > view?" asks the well-connected Republican, who freely admits he
>> > > > > doesn't
>> > > know
>> > > > > the answer.
>> >
>> > > > > No one fears that Paul will walk away with the Republican
>> > > > > nomination.
>> > > But
>> > > > > with a strong core of supporters, he has the means to stay in the
>> > > > > race
>> > > > > nearly as long as he wants. That core support also earns him a
>> > > > > spot in
>> > > > > high-profile debates. To qualify for the Fox-Examiner debate, for
>> > > example,
>> > > > > candidates had to have at least 1 percent support in five national
>> > > polls.
>> > > > > Paul qualified with plenty of room to spare; in the most recent
>> > > > > RealClearPolitics average of polls, he has 9 percent support, well
>> > > ahead of
>> > > > > fellow candidates Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Rick
>> > > Santorum,
>> > > > > and, until his withdrawal from the race Sunday, Tim Pawlenty.
>> >
>> > > > > Paul also has enough money to do what he wants. He reported
>> > > > > raising
>> > > $4.5
>> > > > > million in the second quarter of this year, with about $3 million
>> > > > > in
>> > > the
>> > > > > bank. Since he has decided to retire from the House, he can also
>> > > > > spend
>> > > > > unused funds raised for congressional campaigns.
>> >
>> > > > > Speaking of retirement -- one aspect of the Paul phenomenon that
>> > > > > has
>> > > > > received little attention so far is his age. Born in 1935, he will
>> > > > > be
>> > > 77
>> > > > > years old on Inauguration Day 2013 -- the same age Ronald Reagan
>> > > > > was
>> > > when he
>> > > > > left the White House after serving two terms. If Paul were elected
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > re-elected, he'd be 85 at the end of his time in the White House.
>> > > > > Even
>> > > > > though Americans are living longer, most people would probably
>> > > > > agree
>> > > that's
>> > > > > too old for a president.
>> >
>> > > > > But the Paul campaign isn't really about the practical possibility
>> > > > > that
>> > > he
>> > > > > might become president. It's more about Paul's supporters forcing
>> > > > > the
>> > > larger
>> > > > > political establishment to acknowledge that he's right. "The day
>> > > > > will
>> > > come
>> > > > > soon when candidate Paul will get his due," tweeted one supporter
>> > > recently.
>> > > > > "Blowback is gonna be a b---h."
>> >
>> > > > > Of course, most Republicans don't believe that. But Paul commands
>> > > enough
>> > > > > support to make his presence known all the way through next year.
>> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/08/gop-operatives-fear-la.
>> > > ..
>> >
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Re: GOP operatives fear lasting Ron Paul problem

listen to Dr. Paul's foreign policy agenda, and tell me
where you hear anything regarding such a plan as massive aerial
assaults......
---
that's my opinion, not his

Dr. Paul would make an excellent Secretary of Treasury,
---
but a better chairman of the federal reserve

but
Commander In Chief, he ain't!
---
but should be

On Aug 16, 1:24 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well PlainOl',  listen to Dr. Paul's foreign policy agenda, and tell me
> where you hear anything regarding such a plan as massive aerial
> assaults......Dr. Paul would make an excellent Secretary of Treasury, but
> Commander In Chief, he ain't!
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:08 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The fact is that there are fundamentalist Muslims who believe in
> > dar-al-islam that control many of the Nation-States within the Middle
> > East,
> > and these individuals want to see Western Civilization, (to include
> > the
> > United States, first and foremost)  gone, done away with,  destroyed,
> > G'Nite.
> > ---
> > that's true ...
>
> > Doesn't have a thing to do with Nation Building,  it has to do with
> > self
> > preservation
> > ---
> > to invade, destroy, and rebuild muzzy countries in the name of
> > democracy in insanity.
> > solution: find the terrorists, kill them, and then bring the troops
> > home.
> > we do NOT have a responsibility to rebuild what is destroyed nor do we
> > owe their innocent civilians squat!!!
> > in fact, they owe US an apology and should repay US for the expense of
> > getting rid of their scum
>
> > massive aerial assaults work best and saves US lives
>
> > On Aug 16, 12:58 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Anyone who thinks that there are just a few misplaced Muslims, and the
> > World
> > > of Islam is still the religion of peace is out of touch as much as Stinky
> > > is.
>
> > > The fact is that there are fundamentalist Muslims who believe in
> > > dar-al-islam that control many of the Nation-States within the Middle
> > East,
> > > and these individuals want to see Western Civilization, (to include the
> > > United States, first and foremost)  gone, done away with,  destroyed,
> > > G'Nite.
>
> > > Doesn't have a thing to do with Nation Building,  it has to do with self
> > > preservation.
>
> > > Anyone who doesn't understand this,  including Ron  Paul, is flat out
> > > misplaced.  *See* Whoopie Goldberg, Babs Streisand,  Rosie O'Donnell,
> >  Sean
> > > Penn,  Barack Obama,  Ron Paul,  and a host of other confused Moonbats
> > and
> > > Crackpots.
>
> > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:44 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of supporting
> > > > a
> > > > strong national defense that is troublesome
> > > > ----
> > > > pulling US troops home is not naive nor does it weaken national
> > > > defense
>
> > > > those in favor of nation building and US intervention would disagree
>
> > > > On Aug 16, 6:20 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I think York aptly describes the issue, but to categorize "GOP
> > > > Operatives"
> > > > > as fearing Ron Paul is a bit of a stretch.
>
> > > > > First, I am not sure what a "Repulbican Operative" is.  Is it someone
> > who
> > > > > campaigns, supports,  and even financially contributes to the Party?
> > > >  Then I
> > > > > would qualify as an "Operative" and I don't fear Ron Paul nor do I
> > fear
> > > > his
> > > > > supporters, including the crackpot supporters.  I drink beer with
> > them,
> > > >  go
> > > > > to Church with them,  play poker (when I am in Tampa) with them, and
> > when
> > > > > the subject of politics comes up, try to show them the fallacy of
> > Paul's
> > > > > ways. Most of the Paul supporters I know agree, with a hand full,
> > that
> > > > can
> > > > > best be described as, "Crackpots".
>
> > > > > The truth is, that most all Americans agree with a smaller, fiscally
> > > > > responsible government that adheres to the Constitution of the United
> > > > > States.  Paul stands for that, as does the Tea Party movement, which
> > > > again,
> > > > > much to the dismay of Democrats and far left extremists,  I believe
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > > majority of this Nation.
>
> > > > > It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of supporting
> > a
> > > > > strong national defense that is troublesome and therefore
> > disqualifying.
>
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:53 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > *GOP operatives fear lasting Ron Paul problem
> > > > > > *By: Byron York
> > > > > > 08/15/11 8:05 PM
>
> > > > > > Republicans dodged a big bullet at the Ames straw poll on Saturday.
> > If
> > > > just
> > > > > > 77 of the 4,283 people who voted for Rep. Michele Bachmann had
> > voted
> > > > instead
> > > > > > for Rep. Ron Paul, then Paul would have won the straw poll. In the
> > end,
> > > > > > Bachmann came out ahead with 28.55 percent of the vote to Paul's
> > 27.65
> > > > > > percent. No other candidate was close.
>
> > > > > > Some well-connected Iowa Republicans viewed it as a bullet dodged
> > > > because
> > > > > > they had long feared the possibility of a Paul victory. "It would
> > pour
> > > > jet
> > > > > > fuel on the East Coast narrative that Iowa is just too nutty to
> > have
> > > > such an
> > > > > > important place in the nominating process," says one of those
> > > > Republicans.
> > > > > > Before the poll, they saw a Paul-Bachmann one-two finish as the
> > > > worst-case
> > > > > > scenario. They ended up with Bachmann-Paul -- a result
> > establishment
> > > > > > Republicans viewed as somewhat better than the other way around --
> > and
> > > > got a
> > > > > > lot of the criticism anyway.
>
> > > > > > The criticism came not just from Democrats or so-called Eastern
> > elite
> > > > RINOs
> > > > > > (Republicans In Name Only). "Ron Paul is going to destroy this
> > party if
> > > > they
> > > > > > keep him in there," said Rush Limbaugh the day after the Aug. 11
> > Fox
> > > > > > News-Washington Examiner debate in Ames. "This is nuts on parade."
>
> > > > > > Key Republicans in Iowa -- and around the country, too -- are
> > genuinely
> > > > > > baffled by the Paul phenomenon. They understand (and share) many of
> > > > Paul's
> > > > > > views on the Constitution and limiting the size and scope of the
> > > > federal
> > > > > > government, even if they think Paul sometimes goes too far. What
> > > > perplexes
> > > > > > them is Paul's take on foreign policy, especially the threat of
> > Iran
> > > > > > acquiring nuclear weapons.
>
> > > > > > "Why wouldn't it be natural that they might want a weapon?" Paul
> > asked
> > > > at
> > > > > > the Fox-Examiner debate. "They'd be given more respect. ... What's
> > so
> > > > > > terribly bad about this?" As for sanctions against Iran, Paul said,
> > > > > > "Countries that you put sanctions on, you are more likely to fight
> > > > them. ...
> > > > > > I say stay out of their internal business."
>
> > > > > > The crowd in Iowa State University's Stephens Auditorium included a
> > > > large
> > > > > > group of Paul supporters who broke into loud cheers every time Paul
> > > > spoke,
> > > > > > including when he gave his views on Iran. "That audience goes
> > nuts,"
> > > > > > Limbaugh said the next day. "I think, 'Oh, my gosh, what am I
> > watching
> > > > > > here?' "
>
> > > > > > It's likely most Republicans agree with Limbaugh's assessment, and
> > > > Paul's
> > > > > > ability to say such things and still remain a force in the party
> > > > confuses
> > > > > > many in the GOP. "What part of his support is attributable to a
> > > > different
> > > > > > world view, and what part is attributable to the economic
> > libertarian
> > > > world
> > > > > > view?" asks the well-connected Republican, who freely admits he
> > doesn't
> > > > know
> > > > > > the answer.
>
> > > > > > No one fears that Paul will walk away with the Republican
> > nomination.
> > > > But
> > > > > > with a strong core of supporters, he has the means to stay in the
> > race
> > > > > > nearly as long as he wants. That core support also earns him a spot
> > in
> > > > > > high-profile debates. To qualify for the Fox-Examiner debate, for
> > > > example,
> > > > > > candidates had to have at least 1 percent support in five national
> > > > polls.
> > > > > > Paul qualified with plenty of room to spare; in the most recent
> > > > > > RealClearPolitics average of polls, he has 9 percent support, well
> > > > ahead of
> > > > > > fellow candidates Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Rick
> > > > Santorum,
> > > > > > and, until his withdrawal from the race Sunday, Tim Pawlenty.
>
> > > > > > Paul also has enough money to do what he wants. He reported raising
> > > > $4.5
> > > > > > million in the second quarter of this year, with about $3 million
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > bank. Since he has decided to retire from the House, he can also
> > spend
> > > > > > unused funds raised for congressional campaigns.
>
> > > > > > Speaking of retirement -- one aspect of the Paul phenomenon that
> > has
> > > > > > received little attention so far is his age. Born in 1935, he will
> > be
> > > > 77
> > > > > > years old on Inauguration Day 2013 -- the same age Ronald Reagan
> > was
> > > > when he
> > > > > > left the White House after serving two terms. If Paul were elected
> > and
> > > > > > re-elected, he'd be 85 at the end of his time in the White House.
> > Even
> > > > > > though Americans are living longer, most people would probably
> > agree
> > > > that's
> > > > > > too old for a president.
>
> > > > > > But the Paul campaign isn't really about the practical possibility
> > that
> > > > he
> > > > > > might become president. It's more about Paul's supporters forcing
> > the
> > > > larger
> > > > > > political establishment to acknowledge that he's right. "The day
> > will
> > > > come
> > > > > > soon when candidate Paul will get his due," tweeted one supporter
> > > > recently.
> > > > > > "Blowback is gonna be a b---h."
>
> > > > > > Of course, most Republicans don't believe that. But Paul commands
> > > > enough
> > > > > > support to make his presence known all the way through next year.
>
> >http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/08/gop-operatives-fear-la.
> > > > ..
>
> > > > > >  --
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Re: Former Black Panther in England: 'I don't call it rioting, I call it an insurrection'

but there was one crew
who wants to boycott everything from Israel.....I figured you would
have
liked that part
---
don't get me wrong ... I'm not anti-Israel ... as long as they stay
out of our political system and courts

never forget that they are the source of socialism and
multiculturalism
know the enemy

On Aug 16, 1:33 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yea, there are some wackos over there no question, but there was one crew
> who wants to boycott everything from Israel.....I figured you would have
> liked that part of the crew!  <Grin Again>!
> \
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:31 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "The Coto Report".   Some of PlainOl's Peeps
> > here!!  <Grin>!
> > ---
> > not so ...
> > those at COTO are liberal environmentalists against corps
>
> > try again ...
>
> > On Aug 16, 1:20 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This is an interesting site, "The Coto Report".   Some of PlainOl's Peeps
> > > here!!  <Grin>!
>
> > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > From: COTO Report <no-re...@wordpress.com>
> > > > Date: Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:19 PM
> > > > Subject: [New post] Former Black Panther in England: 'I don't call it
> > > > rioting, I call it an insurrection'
> > > > To: majors.br...@gmail.com
>
> > > > **
> > > >     <http://coto2.wordpress.com/author/coto2admin/>  Former Black
> > Panther
> > > > in England: 'I don't call it rioting, I call it an insurrection'<
> >http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/former-black-panther-in-england...>
> > > > *coto2admin <http://coto2.wordpress.com/author/coto2admin/>* | August
> > 9,
> > > > 2011 at 11:19 pm | Tags: bbc <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=bbc>,
> > darcus
> > > > howe <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=darcus-howe>, london riots<
> >http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=london-riots>,
> > > > Mark Duggan <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=mark-duggan>, police
> > > > brutality <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=police-brutality>, police
> > thugs<http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=police-thugs>| Categories: Economy
> > > > Economics <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?cat=5728644>, MSM Shills<
> >http://coto2.wordpress.com/?cat=21174141>,
> > > > Resistance <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?cat=42727> | URL:
> > > >http://wp.me/pAnVO-4Cr
>
> > > > The pre-planned assassination of a gang member by London's thug cops on
> > > > August 4th set off a fresh wave of riots in the Tottenham area. When
> > this
> > > > BBC anchor didn't like what 68-year-old journalist and former Black
> > Panther
> > > > Darcus Howe, had to say about it -- the interview became hostile.
>
> > > > Read more of this post<
> >http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/former-black-panther-in-england...>
>
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Re: Meet the Press: Whatta buncha knuckleheads!

I don't get how she is a "Zionist
Interventionist". What leads you to believe that she is (A) a Jew,
(B)
an Interventionist;
---
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RWYFWpMp-o

(C) how can you not see that those who are claiming
that Dr. Paul is somehow being slanted in the news, or dissed, or
being
blacklisted, are not just a little bit fanatical?
---
not fanatical ... upset that a real American like RP is being
marginalized by the media

RP is by far the most intelligent and patriotic American that the GOP
has .. yet they won't support him.

RP should ditch the GOP.

On Aug 16, 1:29 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey PlainOl!
>
> I am no Bachman fan, but I don't get how she is a "Zionist
> Interventionist".  What leads you to believe that she is (A)  a Jew,  (B)
> an Interventionist; and (C) how can you not see that those who are claiming
> that Dr. Paul is somehow being slanted in the news, or dissed, or being
> blacklisted,  are not just a little bit fanatical?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:23 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Does everyone see how fanatical the Paul supporters are
> > ---
> > we're not fanatical ... we're Americans who want brainwashed zionist
> > interventionalists like Bachmann out of our government, our troops
> > returned home, our borders protected, and socialists in our nation
> > squashed
>
> > choose sides carefully
>
> > why they will never be successful?
> > ----
> > because of those in our nation who are not Americans first
>
> > On Aug 15, 12:49 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Does everyone see how fanatical the Paul supporters are, and why they
> > will
> > > never be successful?
>
> > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:41 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > > *Meet the Press: Whatta buncha knuckleheads!
> > > > *Published: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 1:52 PM     Updated: Sunday,
> > August
> > > > 14, 2011, 2:14 PM
> > > > By Paul Mulshine/The Star Ledger
> > > > <http://connect.nj.com/user/pmulshin/index.html>
>
> > > > I just turned off "Meet the Press."
>
> > > > This was the single most extreme example of cluelessness in general and
> > > > liberal media bias in particular that I have ever witnessed.
>
> > > > The subject was yesterday's Iowa Straw Poll, in which Michele Bachmann
> > > > finished in a  statistical dead heat with Ron Paul.
>
> > > > Yet these bozos yapped on for half an hour without mentioning Paul,
> > except
> > > > in passing. They went on at great length about Bachmann and even Tim
> > > > Pawlenty, her fellow Minnesotan who finished way back in the pack and
> > > > dropped out of the race. But hardly a word about the Texas congressman.
>
> > > > I found this particularly grating when the subject came to the theme of
> > > > getting the government off our back. First they showed a clip from Rick
> > > > Perry, even though the Texas governor did not compete in the straw
> > poll.
>
> > > > Then they showed a clip from, of all people, Pawlenty. Not a single one
> > of
> > > > these clowns mentioned that Paul practically invented the idea of
> > getting
> > > > the government off our backs.
>
> > > > And not a single one of them mentioned that Paul also pioneered the
> > idea of
> > > > voting against raising the debt ceiling. He has never voted to raise it
> > in
> > > > all his years in Congress. Yet when that issue came up, all the talk
> > was
> > > > about Bachmann, who just discovered the issue the other day, relatively
> > > > speaking, and who is a complete ignoramus on economic issues.<
> >http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/07/post_126.html>
>
> > > > What are these idiots up to? Well, I shouldn't use terms like  "idiots"
> > and
> > > > "bozos." These guys know exactly what they're doing. The pitchmen for
> > the
> > > > mainstream Republican Party, such as Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad, want to
> > do
> > > > everything in their power to deep-six the man who has stood up to the
> > > > Republican establishment for three decades.
>
> > > > As for the journalists, there was not a conservative up there on stage.
> > All
> > > > were liberals who love the idea of portraying the ditzy Bachmann as the
> > face
> > > > of the Republican Party. In the earlier part of the show before the
> > panel
> > > > session, host David Gregory spent half an hour interviewing her. He
> > focused
> > > > almost entirely on social issues such as gay marriage, the better to
> > make
> > > > the GOP look out of touch with middle-class voters.
>
> > > > Somewhere in there one of the panelists made an observation that the
> > > > attendees at the Ames poll are heavily evangelical in their beliefs.
> > Well if
> > > > that's the case, then Paul won the day. Even though his message is not
> > > > tailored to evangelicals, he got the votes of 4,671  of those in
> > attendance.
> > > > Meanwhile Bachmann, whose appeal is focused on evangelicals, got just
> > 152
> > > > more votes than Paul.
>
> > > > And then there's the fact that Paul has defined the issues in this
> > race. On
> > > > Obamacare, he was the first to come out against the individual mandate,
> > for
> > > > example, which he did as early as 2007 in this column of mine<
> >http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/08/mulshine_proved_right_ag...>.
> > > > He has always been a deficit hawk, another area in which the rest of
> > the
> > > > field is following his lead. And he's refocused the foreign policy
> > debate to
> > > > the question of whether the U.S. should be the world's policeman, and
> > he won
> > > > on that issue it in the debate Thursday night.
>
> > > > I'm sure if I discussed all this with the talking heads who were on the
> > > > panel, I'd hear what I always hear from liberal commentators: Ron Paul
> > is
> > > > "unelectable."
>
> > > > Perhaps you believe that. If you do, you're either a Democratic
> > operative
> > > > or a moron.
>
> > > > Check this page of polling data<
> >http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obam...>from
> > Real Clear politics. Of all the candidates in the field, Ron Paul lines
> > > > up best against President Obama with the single exception of Mitt
> > Romney.
> > > > And Romney's going to have a tough time getting through the primaries
> > if
> > > > this straw poll is any indication.
>
> > > > The reason is not far to seek. Alone among the Republicans, Paul
> > connects
> > > > with the youth vote. Though he the oldest candidate in the field, he
> > has the
> > > > youngest supporters, all of whom are aware just how wretched an economy
> > > > they're going to be inheriting.
>
> > > > The economy is going to be the big issue next year, yet the members of
> > the
> > > > panel ignored it. If they'd paid attention to it, they would have had
> > to
> > > > discuss Paul, the sole candidate who predicted the collapse of 2008.
>
> > > > It's far more fun for a liberal to focus on Bachmann and her
> > Bible-based
> > > > ideas on social issues - all of which are calculated to alienate the
> > same
> > > > youth voters to whom Paul appeals.
>
> > > > A further bonus for liberals is that Bachmann is guaranteed to keep
> > saying
> > > > really stupid things, such as her assertion<
> >http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/07/post_126.html>that Barack
> > Obama ran up more debt in his first year than all prior
> > > > presidents combined. Paul, by contrast, cannot be caught in such a
> > howler
> > > > because he knows the budget much better than any of the questioners do.
>
> > > > He certainly knows more about it than David Gregory. I suspect another
> > > > reason these blow-dried bozos don't like to have Paul on their shows is
> > that
> > > > they'd have to do some actual research to ask intelligent questions on
> > such
> > > > topics as the role of the Federal Reserve.
>
> > > > With Bachmann, it's a simple matter of asking over and over if she
> > really
> > > > means what she says about the Bible. This is great fun - if you're a
> > > > simpleton or a party hack.  And all the people on that panel met one of
> > > > those definitions.
>
> > > >http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/08/rick_perry_a_right-winge.
> > ..
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Re: Former Black Panther in England: 'I don't call it rioting, I call it an insurrection'

Yea, there are some wackos over there no question, but there was one crew who wants to boycott everything from Israel.....I figured you would have liked that part of the crew!  <Grin Again>!

\

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:31 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

"The Coto Report".   Some of PlainOl's Peeps
here!!  <Grin>!

---
not so ...
those at COTO are liberal environmentalists against corps

try again ...

On Aug 16, 1:20 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is an interesting site, "The Coto Report".   Some of PlainOl's Peeps
> here!!  <Grin>!
>

> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: COTO Report <no-re...@wordpress.com>
> > Date: Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:19 PM
> > Subject: [New post] Former Black Panther in England: 'I don't call it
> > rioting, I call it an insurrection'

> > To: majors.br...@gmail.com
>
> > **

> >     <http://coto2.wordpress.com/author/coto2admin/>  Former Black Panther
> > in England: 'I don't call it rioting, I call it an insurrection'<http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/former-black-panther-in-england...>

> > *coto2admin <http://coto2.wordpress.com/author/coto2admin/>* | August 9,
> > 2011 at 11:19 pm | Tags: bbc <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=bbc>, darcus
> > howe <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=darcus-howe>, london riots<http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=london-riots>,
> > Mark Duggan <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=mark-duggan>, police

> > brutality <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=police-brutality>, police thugs<http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=police-thugs>| Categories: Economy

> > Economics <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?cat=5728644>, MSM Shills<http://coto2.wordpress.com/?cat=21174141>,

> > Resistance <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?cat=42727> | URL:

> >http://wp.me/pAnVO-4Cr
>
> > The pre-planned assassination of a gang member by London's thug cops on
> > August 4th set off a fresh wave of riots in the Tottenham area. When this
> > BBC anchor didn't like what 68-year-old journalist and former Black Panther
> > Darcus Howe, had to say about it -- the interview became hostile.
>

> > Read more of this post<http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/former-black-panther-in-england...>
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Re: Former Black Panther in England: 'I don't call it rioting, I call it an insurrection'

"The Coto Report". Some of PlainOl's Peeps
here!! <Grin>!
---
not so ...
those at COTO are liberal environmentalists against corps

try again ...

On Aug 16, 1:20 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is an interesting site, "The Coto Report".   Some of PlainOl's Peeps
> here!!  <Grin>!
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: COTO Report <no-re...@wordpress.com>
> > Date: Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:19 PM
> > Subject: [New post] Former Black Panther in England: 'I don't call it
> > rioting, I call it an insurrection'
> > To: majors.br...@gmail.com
>
> > **
> >     <http://coto2.wordpress.com/author/coto2admin/>  Former Black Panther
> > in England: 'I don't call it rioting, I call it an insurrection'<http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/former-black-panther-in-england...>
> > *coto2admin <http://coto2.wordpress.com/author/coto2admin/>* | August 9,
> > 2011 at 11:19 pm | Tags: bbc <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=bbc>, darcus
> > howe <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=darcus-howe>, london riots<http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=london-riots>,
> > Mark Duggan <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=mark-duggan>, police
> > brutality <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=police-brutality>, police thugs<http://coto2.wordpress.com/?tag=police-thugs>| Categories: Economy
> > Economics <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?cat=5728644>, MSM Shills<http://coto2.wordpress.com/?cat=21174141>,
> > Resistance <http://coto2.wordpress.com/?cat=42727> | URL:
> >http://wp.me/pAnVO-4Cr
>
> > The pre-planned assassination of a gang member by London's thug cops on
> > August 4th set off a fresh wave of riots in the Tottenham area. When this
> > BBC anchor didn't like what 68-year-old journalist and former Black Panther
> > Darcus Howe, had to say about it -- the interview became hostile.
>
> > Read more of this post<http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/former-black-panther-in-england...>
>
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Re: Meet the Press: Whatta buncha knuckleheads!

Hey PlainOl!

 

I am no Bachman fan, but I don't get how she is a "Zionist Interventionist".  What leads you to believe that she is (A)  a Jew,  (B)  an Interventionist; and (C) how can you not see that those who are claiming that Dr. Paul is somehow being slanted in the news, or dissed, or being blacklisted,  are not just a little bit fanatical?

 

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:23 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

Does everyone see how fanatical the Paul supporters are

---
we're not fanatical ... we're Americans who want brainwashed zionist
interventionalists like Bachmann out of our government, our troops
returned home, our borders protected, and socialists in our nation
squashed

choose sides carefully

why they will never be successful?

----
because of those in our nation who are not Americans first

On Aug 15, 12:49 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does everyone see how fanatical the Paul supporters are, and why they will
> never be successful?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:41 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > *Meet the Press: Whatta buncha knuckleheads!
> > *Published: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 1:52 PM     Updated: Sunday, August
> > 14, 2011, 2:14 PM
> > By Paul Mulshine/The Star Ledger

> > <http://connect.nj.com/user/pmulshin/index.html>
>

> > I just turned off "Meet the Press."
>
> > This was the single most extreme example of cluelessness in general and
> > liberal media bias in particular that I have ever witnessed.
>
> > The subject was yesterday's Iowa Straw Poll, in which Michele Bachmann
> > finished in a  statistical dead heat with Ron Paul.
>
> > Yet these bozos yapped on for half an hour without mentioning Paul, except
> > in passing. They went on at great length about Bachmann and even Tim
> > Pawlenty, her fellow Minnesotan who finished way back in the pack and
> > dropped out of the race. But hardly a word about the Texas congressman.
>
> > I found this particularly grating when the subject came to the theme of
> > getting the government off our back. First they showed a clip from Rick
> > Perry, even though the Texas governor did not compete in the straw poll.
>
> > Then they showed a clip from, of all people, Pawlenty. Not a single one of
> > these clowns mentioned that Paul practically invented the idea of getting
> > the government off our backs.
>
> > And not a single one of them mentioned that Paul also pioneered the idea of
> > voting against raising the debt ceiling. He has never voted to raise it in
> > all his years in Congress. Yet when that issue came up, all the talk was
> > about Bachmann, who just discovered the issue the other day, relatively

> > speaking, and who is a complete ignoramus on economic issues.<http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/07/post_126.html>

>
> > What are these idiots up to? Well, I shouldn't use terms like  "idiots" and
> > "bozos." These guys know exactly what they're doing. The pitchmen for the
> > mainstream Republican Party, such as Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad, want to do
> > everything in their power to deep-six the man who has stood up to the
> > Republican establishment for three decades.
>
> > As for the journalists, there was not a conservative up there on stage. All
> > were liberals who love the idea of portraying the ditzy Bachmann as the face
> > of the Republican Party. In the earlier part of the show before the panel
> > session, host David Gregory spent half an hour interviewing her. He focused
> > almost entirely on social issues such as gay marriage, the better to make
> > the GOP look out of touch with middle-class voters.
>
> > Somewhere in there one of the panelists made an observation that the
> > attendees at the Ames poll are heavily evangelical in their beliefs. Well if
> > that's the case, then Paul won the day. Even though his message is not
> > tailored to evangelicals, he got the votes of 4,671  of those in attendance.
> > Meanwhile Bachmann, whose appeal is focused on evangelicals, got just 152
> > more votes than Paul.
>
> > And then there's the fact that Paul has defined the issues in this race. On
> > Obamacare, he was the first to come out against the individual mandate, for

> > example, which he did as early as 2007 in this column of mine<http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/08/mulshine_proved_right_ag...>.

> > He has always been a deficit hawk, another area in which the rest of the
> > field is following his lead. And he's refocused the foreign policy debate to
> > the question of whether the U.S. should be the world's policeman, and he won
> > on that issue it in the debate Thursday night.
>
> > I'm sure if I discussed all this with the talking heads who were on the
> > panel, I'd hear what I always hear from liberal commentators: Ron Paul is
> > "unelectable."
>
> > Perhaps you believe that. If you do, you're either a Democratic operative
> > or a moron.
>

> > Check this page of polling data<http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obam...>from Real Clear politics. Of all the candidates in the field, Ron Paul lines

> > up best against President Obama with the single exception of Mitt Romney.
> > And Romney's going to have a tough time getting through the primaries if
> > this straw poll is any indication.
>
> > The reason is not far to seek. Alone among the Republicans, Paul connects
> > with the youth vote. Though he the oldest candidate in the field, he has the
> > youngest supporters, all of whom are aware just how wretched an economy
> > they're going to be inheriting.
>
> > The economy is going to be the big issue next year, yet the members of the
> > panel ignored it. If they'd paid attention to it, they would have had to
> > discuss Paul, the sole candidate who predicted the collapse of 2008.
>
> > It's far more fun for a liberal to focus on Bachmann and her Bible-based
> > ideas on social issues - all of which are calculated to alienate the same
> > youth voters to whom Paul appeals.
>
> > A further bonus for liberals is that Bachmann is guaranteed to keep saying

> > really stupid things, such as her assertion<http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/07/post_126.html>that Barack Obama ran up more debt in his first year than all prior

> > presidents combined. Paul, by contrast, cannot be caught in such a howler
> > because he knows the budget much better than any of the questioners do.
>
> > He certainly knows more about it than David Gregory. I suspect another
> > reason these blow-dried bozos don't like to have Paul on their shows is that
> > they'd have to do some actual research to ask intelligent questions on such
> > topics as the role of the Federal Reserve.
>
> > With Bachmann, it's a simple matter of asking over and over if she really
> > means what she says about the Bible. This is great fun - if you're a
> > simpleton or a party hack.  And all the people on that panel met one of
> > those definitions.
>

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Re: GOP operatives fear lasting Ron Paul problem

Well PlainOl',  listen to Dr. Paul's foreign policy agenda, and tell me where you hear anything regarding such a plan as massive aerial assaults......Dr. Paul would make an excellent Secretary of Treasury, but Commander In Chief, he ain't!

 

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:08 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

The fact is that there are fundamentalist Muslims who believe in
dar-al-islam that control many of the Nation-States within the Middle
East,
and these individuals want to see Western Civilization, (to include
the
United States, first and foremost)  gone, done away with,  destroyed,
G'Nite.

---
that's true ...

Doesn't have a thing to do with Nation Building,  it has to do with
self
preservation

---
to invade, destroy, and rebuild muzzy countries in the name of
democracy in insanity.
solution: find the terrorists, kill them, and then bring the troops
home.
we do NOT have a responsibility to rebuild what is destroyed nor do we
owe their innocent civilians squat!!!
in fact, they owe US an apology and should repay US for the expense of
getting rid of their scum

massive aerial assaults work best and saves US lives

On Aug 16, 12:58 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone who thinks that there are just a few misplaced Muslims, and the World
> of Islam is still the religion of peace is out of touch as much as Stinky
> is.
>
> The fact is that there are fundamentalist Muslims who believe in
> dar-al-islam that control many of the Nation-States within the Middle East,
> and these individuals want to see Western Civilization, (to include the
> United States, first and foremost)  gone, done away with,  destroyed,
> G'Nite.
>
> Doesn't have a thing to do with Nation Building,  it has to do with self
> preservation.
>
> Anyone who doesn't understand this,  including Ron  Paul, is flat out
> misplaced.  *See* Whoopie Goldberg, Babs Streisand,  Rosie O'Donnell,  Sean
> Penn,  Barack Obama,  Ron Paul,  and a host of other confused Moonbats and
> Crackpots.
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:44 PM, plainolamerican

> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of supporting
> > a
> > strong national defense that is troublesome
> > ----
> > pulling US troops home is not naive nor does it weaken national
> > defense
>
> > those in favor of nation building and US intervention would disagree
>
> > On Aug 16, 6:20 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I think York aptly describes the issue, but to categorize "GOP
> > Operatives"
> > > as fearing Ron Paul is a bit of a stretch.
>
> > > First, I am not sure what a "Repulbican Operative" is.  Is it someone who
> > > campaigns, supports,  and even financially contributes to the Party?
> >  Then I
> > > would qualify as an "Operative" and I don't fear Ron Paul nor do I fear
> > his
> > > supporters, including the crackpot supporters.  I drink beer with them,
> >  go
> > > to Church with them,  play poker (when I am in Tampa) with them, and when
> > > the subject of politics comes up, try to show them the fallacy of Paul's
> > > ways. Most of the Paul supporters I know agree, with a hand full, that
> > can
> > > best be described as, "Crackpots".
>
> > > The truth is, that most all Americans agree with a smaller, fiscally
> > > responsible government that adheres to the Constitution of the United
> > > States.  Paul stands for that, as does the Tea Party movement, which
> > again,
> > > much to the dismay of Democrats and far left extremists,  I believe is
> > the
> > > majority of this Nation.
>
> > > It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of supporting a
> > > strong national defense that is troublesome and therefore disqualifying.
>
> > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:53 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > > *GOP operatives fear lasting Ron Paul problem
> > > > *By: Byron York
> > > > 08/15/11 8:05 PM
>
> > > > Republicans dodged a big bullet at the Ames straw poll on Saturday. If
> > just
> > > > 77 of the 4,283 people who voted for Rep. Michele Bachmann had voted
> > instead
> > > > for Rep. Ron Paul, then Paul would have won the straw poll. In the end,
> > > > Bachmann came out ahead with 28.55 percent of the vote to Paul's 27.65
> > > > percent. No other candidate was close.
>
> > > > Some well-connected Iowa Republicans viewed it as a bullet dodged
> > because
> > > > they had long feared the possibility of a Paul victory. "It would pour
> > jet
> > > > fuel on the East Coast narrative that Iowa is just too nutty to have
> > such an
> > > > important place in the nominating process," says one of those
> > Republicans.
> > > > Before the poll, they saw a Paul-Bachmann one-two finish as the
> > worst-case
> > > > scenario. They ended up with Bachmann-Paul -- a result establishment
> > > > Republicans viewed as somewhat better than the other way around -- and
> > got a
> > > > lot of the criticism anyway.
>
> > > > The criticism came not just from Democrats or so-called Eastern elite
> > RINOs
> > > > (Republicans In Name Only). "Ron Paul is going to destroy this party if
> > they
> > > > keep him in there," said Rush Limbaugh the day after the Aug. 11 Fox
> > > > News-Washington Examiner debate in Ames. "This is nuts on parade."
>
> > > > Key Republicans in Iowa -- and around the country, too -- are genuinely
> > > > baffled by the Paul phenomenon. They understand (and share) many of
> > Paul's
> > > > views on the Constitution and limiting the size and scope of the
> > federal
> > > > government, even if they think Paul sometimes goes too far. What
> > perplexes
> > > > them is Paul's take on foreign policy, especially the threat of Iran
> > > > acquiring nuclear weapons.
>
> > > > "Why wouldn't it be natural that they might want a weapon?" Paul asked
> > at
> > > > the Fox-Examiner debate. "They'd be given more respect. ... What's so
> > > > terribly bad about this?" As for sanctions against Iran, Paul said,
> > > > "Countries that you put sanctions on, you are more likely to fight
> > them. ...
> > > > I say stay out of their internal business."
>
> > > > The crowd in Iowa State University's Stephens Auditorium included a
> > large
> > > > group of Paul supporters who broke into loud cheers every time Paul
> > spoke,
> > > > including when he gave his views on Iran. "That audience goes nuts,"
> > > > Limbaugh said the next day. "I think, 'Oh, my gosh, what am I watching
> > > > here?' "
>
> > > > It's likely most Republicans agree with Limbaugh's assessment, and
> > Paul's
> > > > ability to say such things and still remain a force in the party
> > confuses
> > > > many in the GOP. "What part of his support is attributable to a
> > different
> > > > world view, and what part is attributable to the economic libertarian
> > world
> > > > view?" asks the well-connected Republican, who freely admits he doesn't
> > know
> > > > the answer.
>
> > > > No one fears that Paul will walk away with the Republican nomination.
> > But
> > > > with a strong core of supporters, he has the means to stay in the race
> > > > nearly as long as he wants. That core support also earns him a spot in
> > > > high-profile debates. To qualify for the Fox-Examiner debate, for
> > example,
> > > > candidates had to have at least 1 percent support in five national
> > polls.
> > > > Paul qualified with plenty of room to spare; in the most recent
> > > > RealClearPolitics average of polls, he has 9 percent support, well
> > ahead of
> > > > fellow candidates Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Rick
> > Santorum,
> > > > and, until his withdrawal from the race Sunday, Tim Pawlenty.
>
> > > > Paul also has enough money to do what he wants. He reported raising
> > $4.5
> > > > million in the second quarter of this year, with about $3 million in
> > the
> > > > bank. Since he has decided to retire from the House, he can also spend
> > > > unused funds raised for congressional campaigns.
>
> > > > Speaking of retirement -- one aspect of the Paul phenomenon that has
> > > > received little attention so far is his age. Born in 1935, he will be
> > 77
> > > > years old on Inauguration Day 2013 -- the same age Ronald Reagan was
> > when he
> > > > left the White House after serving two terms. If Paul were elected and
> > > > re-elected, he'd be 85 at the end of his time in the White House. Even
> > > > though Americans are living longer, most people would probably agree
> > that's
> > > > too old for a president.
>
> > > > But the Paul campaign isn't really about the practical possibility that
> > he
> > > > might become president. It's more about Paul's supporters forcing the
> > larger
> > > > political establishment to acknowledge that he's right. "The day will
> > come
> > > > soon when candidate Paul will get his due," tweeted one supporter
> > recently.
> > > > "Blowback is gonna be a b---h."
>
> > > > Of course, most Republicans don't believe that. But Paul commands
> > enough
> > > > support to make his presence known all the way through next year.
>
> > > >http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/08/gop-operatives-fear-la.
> > ..
>
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Re: Meet the Press: Whatta buncha knuckleheads!

Does everyone see how fanatical the Paul supporters are
---
we're not fanatical ... we're Americans who want brainwashed zionist
interventionalists like Bachmann out of our government, our troops
returned home, our borders protected, and socialists in our nation
squashed

choose sides carefully

why they will never be successful?
----
because of those in our nation who are not Americans first

On Aug 15, 12:49 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does everyone see how fanatical the Paul supporters are, and why they will
> never be successful?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:41 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > *Meet the Press: Whatta buncha knuckleheads!
> > *Published: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 1:52 PM     Updated: Sunday, August
> > 14, 2011, 2:14 PM
> > By Paul Mulshine/The Star Ledger
> > <http://connect.nj.com/user/pmulshin/index.html>
>
> > I just turned off "Meet the Press."
>
> > This was the single most extreme example of cluelessness in general and
> > liberal media bias in particular that I have ever witnessed.
>
> > The subject was yesterday's Iowa Straw Poll, in which Michele Bachmann
> > finished in a  statistical dead heat with Ron Paul.
>
> > Yet these bozos yapped on for half an hour without mentioning Paul, except
> > in passing. They went on at great length about Bachmann and even Tim
> > Pawlenty, her fellow Minnesotan who finished way back in the pack and
> > dropped out of the race. But hardly a word about the Texas congressman.
>
> > I found this particularly grating when the subject came to the theme of
> > getting the government off our back. First they showed a clip from Rick
> > Perry, even though the Texas governor did not compete in the straw poll.
>
> > Then they showed a clip from, of all people, Pawlenty. Not a single one of
> > these clowns mentioned that Paul practically invented the idea of getting
> > the government off our backs.
>
> > And not a single one of them mentioned that Paul also pioneered the idea of
> > voting against raising the debt ceiling. He has never voted to raise it in
> > all his years in Congress. Yet when that issue came up, all the talk was
> > about Bachmann, who just discovered the issue the other day, relatively
> > speaking, and who is a complete ignoramus on economic issues.<http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/07/post_126.html>
>
> > What are these idiots up to? Well, I shouldn't use terms like  "idiots" and
> > "bozos." These guys know exactly what they're doing. The pitchmen for the
> > mainstream Republican Party, such as Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad, want to do
> > everything in their power to deep-six the man who has stood up to the
> > Republican establishment for three decades.
>
> > As for the journalists, there was not a conservative up there on stage. All
> > were liberals who love the idea of portraying the ditzy Bachmann as the face
> > of the Republican Party. In the earlier part of the show before the panel
> > session, host David Gregory spent half an hour interviewing her. He focused
> > almost entirely on social issues such as gay marriage, the better to make
> > the GOP look out of touch with middle-class voters.
>
> > Somewhere in there one of the panelists made an observation that the
> > attendees at the Ames poll are heavily evangelical in their beliefs. Well if
> > that's the case, then Paul won the day. Even though his message is not
> > tailored to evangelicals, he got the votes of 4,671  of those in attendance.
> > Meanwhile Bachmann, whose appeal is focused on evangelicals, got just 152
> > more votes than Paul.
>
> > And then there's the fact that Paul has defined the issues in this race. On
> > Obamacare, he was the first to come out against the individual mandate, for
> > example, which he did as early as 2007 in this column of mine<http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/08/mulshine_proved_right_ag...>.
> > He has always been a deficit hawk, another area in which the rest of the
> > field is following his lead. And he's refocused the foreign policy debate to
> > the question of whether the U.S. should be the world's policeman, and he won
> > on that issue it in the debate Thursday night.
>
> > I'm sure if I discussed all this with the talking heads who were on the
> > panel, I'd hear what I always hear from liberal commentators: Ron Paul is
> > "unelectable."
>
> > Perhaps you believe that. If you do, you're either a Democratic operative
> > or a moron.
>
> > Check this page of polling data<http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obam...>from Real Clear politics. Of all the candidates in the field, Ron Paul lines
> > up best against President Obama with the single exception of Mitt Romney.
> > And Romney's going to have a tough time getting through the primaries if
> > this straw poll is any indication.
>
> > The reason is not far to seek. Alone among the Republicans, Paul connects
> > with the youth vote. Though he the oldest candidate in the field, he has the
> > youngest supporters, all of whom are aware just how wretched an economy
> > they're going to be inheriting.
>
> > The economy is going to be the big issue next year, yet the members of the
> > panel ignored it. If they'd paid attention to it, they would have had to
> > discuss Paul, the sole candidate who predicted the collapse of 2008.
>
> > It's far more fun for a liberal to focus on Bachmann and her Bible-based
> > ideas on social issues - all of which are calculated to alienate the same
> > youth voters to whom Paul appeals.
>
> > A further bonus for liberals is that Bachmann is guaranteed to keep saying
> > really stupid things, such as her assertion<http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2011/07/post_126.html>that Barack Obama ran up more debt in his first year than all prior
> > presidents combined. Paul, by contrast, cannot be caught in such a howler
> > because he knows the budget much better than any of the questioners do.
>
> > He certainly knows more about it than David Gregory. I suspect another
> > reason these blow-dried bozos don't like to have Paul on their shows is that
> > they'd have to do some actual research to ask intelligent questions on such
> > topics as the role of the Federal Reserve.
>
> > With Bachmann, it's a simple matter of asking over and over if she really
> > means what she says about the Bible. This is great fun - if you're a
> > simpleton or a party hack.  And all the people on that panel met one of
> > those definitions.
>
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