Re: Bush-Appointed Federal Judge Tosses Out Challenge To Health Reform

Any ruling less than the SCOTUS after Vinsons ruling is
meaningless! It is headed to the Supreme Court no doubt about it .

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On Feb 4, 1:15 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> Where in the Constitution is this stated?
>
> Maybe this will help you find it: The Constitution for the United States
> of Americahttp://amgona.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Item...
>
> On 2/4/2011 7:29 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>
> > The Constitution requires a plaintiff to show that they will actually
> > be injured by a law before they can challenge it in court, a
> > requirement known as �standing.�
>
> --
> *For less than the cost of one hour with most lawyers, you can learn how
> to control judges and lawyers
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Re: Bush-Appointed Federal Judge Tosses Out Challenge To Health Reform

It (personal mandate penalty) is NOT a tax. - Barack Obama (thrice)

It (personal mandate penalty) IS a tax (and therefore constitutional)
- DOJ

Pick one

On Feb 4, 1:15 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> Where in the Constitution is this stated?
>
> Maybe this will help you find it: The Constitution for the United States
> of Americahttp://amgona.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Item...
>
> On 2/4/2011 7:29 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>
> > The Constitution requires a plaintiff to show that they will actually
> > be injured by a law before they can challenge it in court, a
> > requirement known as �standing.�
>
> --
> *For less than the cost of one hour with most lawyers, you can learn how
> to control judges and lawyers
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> yourself!*

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Mr. Natural Rights

"It is beyond dispute that Jefferson embraced the conclusions about the nature and functions of government put forward by John Locke a century earlier. Not only did he regard Locke as one of three greatest men who ever lived, but the Declaration of Independence, the most lucid account of Jefferson's political views, reflects all the major principles of Locke's philosophy. All men are born with certain inalienable rights that precede the establishment of civil society and that are ours by virtue of our humanity and are not as a gift of the civil magistrate. The sole function of government is to secure these rights -- to insure that we are each permitted to act as we choose, limited only by our not trespassing on the rights of others. Again following Locke, Jefferson argues that once government violates our rights we are at liberty to take any actions we deem appropriate to put a halt to these violations, including the overthrow and replacement of the civil authority. This was the rationale put forward by the American revolutionaries for taking up arms against the British Crown, and this constituted the core of Jefferson's political philosophy."

Mr. Natural Rights
Liberty, State, and Union: The Political Theory of Thomas Jefferson, Luigi Marco Bassani, Mercer University Press, 277 pages
By Ronald Hamowy

The literature on Jefferson is truly enormous. One need only consult the Comprehensive Annotated Bibliography prepared by Frank Shuffelton, comprising several thousand citations, to get a sense of how extensive it is. Indeed, the Library of Congress notes that its Jefferson collection is so large that it is divided into no less than 100 categories. Certainly the most interesting, because the most enduringly relevant, of these is devoted to Jefferson's political thought­his theory of rights and his conclusions regarding the nature of government. Among the most recent studies of this side of Jefferson is that by Luigi Marco Bassani, professor of political theory at the University of Milan.

Liberty, State, and Union is a truly impressive volume. Bassani seeks to lay bare the fundamental presuppositions of Jefferson's politics and to uncover the philosophy underlying America's most important founding document, the Declaration of Independence. In taking up this task, Bassani confronts some 70 years of scholarship that has attempted to sever the connection between Jefferson and Lockean natural rights.

Given Jefferson's singular importance among the nation's Founders, it is not surprising that over the years scholars have sought to appropriate him as an early proponent of the views they themselves embraced. Thus, since the Progressive Era, Jefferson has been portrayed as a species of civic humanist, a man who was suspicious of the instrumentalities of an emerging commercial society and who believed that the nation's virtue rested on an agrarian population active in political life. A typical instance of this interpretation is that of Charles M. Wiltze, whose Jeffersonian Tradition in American Democracy, first published in 1935, offers a picture of Jefferson as an early social democrat who, had he lived, would have embraced many of the reforms of Roosevelt's New Deal.

Even earlier, Vernon Parrington's Main Currents in American Thought, published in 1927, painted Jefferson as a proto-socialist who distrusted industry and everything that followed in its wake, a staunch opponent of the capitalist society that was emerging in the Anglo-British world in the 18th century. This Progressivist interpretation clashed head on with the then prevailing view of Jefferson as a classical liberal. Parrington's essay had the effect of dividing Jefferson scholarship into competing camps that persist to this day. Some historians continue to view Jefferson as a Lockean liberal who distrusted government and subscribed to the strictest limits on the actions of the civil magistrate; others regard him as an agrarian with socialist leanings who only adhered to the principles of private property so far as they served certain political ends.

Perhaps the most egregious examples of invoking Jefferson for purely transient political purposes are the inscriptions on the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, D.C. Planned and built during the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt, the walls of the memorial are adorned with quotations from Jefferson's writings, many of which suggest that Jefferson advocated positions consistent with the aims of the New Deal­with which he would, in fact, have had little sympathy. Thus, Jefferson's admonition that an educated electorate was essential if liberty were to be preserved is transmuted into a call for universal public education. And his caution that man, as he advances in his understanding of the world, must accompany his greater enlightenment with changes in his social institutions becomes a justification for a new theory of government in keeping with the social-democratic principles that animated the New Deal.

Bassani's conclusions are in direct contrast to those of the majority of today's historians, who have argued that Jefferson distrusted commerce and would have supported legislation to provide for a more equitable distribution of property. Bassani notes at the start that "far from being a radical democratic theorist who made some concessions in the sphere of the rights of the individual, Jefferson was a classical liberal who believed that individuals were the best guardians of their own liberties and natural rights."

In a meticulously argued and thoroughly convincing analysis of Jefferson views, which remained essentially unchanged until his death in 1826, Bassani's monograph concludes that there is no merit to the position that Jefferson was prepared to compromise his attachment to the Lockean notion that the right of property was inalienable if doing so resulted in eliminating inequalities in landholding. Contrast this with Wiltze, who at one point argues that for Jefferson "the state is a whole, of which the component individuals are parts, and the property rights conceded to each are conditional on their compatibility with the good of the whole." One need hardly add that what follows from Wiltze's claim is that the only arbiter of this compatibility is the government, one of whose functions is to maximize social good by involving itself in the distribution of wealth.

Bassani presents a forceful argument that Jefferson remained a firm believer in the inviolability of property throughout his life and did not draw a distinction between "human rights" on the one hand and property rights on the other. At no point did Jefferson ever defend the redistribution of property. Certainly his support for the confiscation of the estates held by Tories can hardly be considered an example of this, and he explicitly reaffirmed the unassailability of property rights in his Second Inaugural. That Bassani is correct in his description of Jefferson is vouchsafed by Jefferson's justly famous words from his First Inaugural, which again deserve quotation: "a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities."

Yet Bassani's characterization of Jefferson as a strict constructionist in some way contradicts the conclusions of other libertarian historians who are prepared to accept the contention that Jefferson's earlier views underwent a shift in favor of more extensive government following his sojourn in France. They point to his purchase of Louisiana as a clear example of his exceeding the powers of the presidency stipulated in the Constitution. This judgment, however, strikes me as somewhat too severe given the context of the time. After all, Jefferson was by no means alone among the principal members of the Democratic-Republican Party in supporting the purchase. Indeed, it is important to keep in mind that the treaty's major opposition, employing strict constructionist arguments, came from the Federalists, the same party responsible for passage of the clearly unconstitutional Alien and Sedition Acts. The Democratic-Republicans had overwhelming control of both the House and the Senate when the purchase was approved, the vote in the Senate being 24 to seven. Even the House, whose members had far greater reservations, ended up supporting the treaty, albeit by the narrow vote of 59 to 57.

More troublesome for Bassani's contention that Jefferson consistently supported severe limits on the powers of the federal government were his actions during the trial of Aaron Burr for treason. Despite the claims of the prosecution, Chief Justice John Marshall, the presiding judge at Burr's trial, had ruled that there was insufficient evidence to sustain an allegation of treason and consequently reduced the charge to a misdemeanor. The result was that Burr was acquitted. Jefferson, who directed the prosecution from the White House, was incensed and called for Marshall's impeachment. Indeed, he contemplated using his authority to encourage passage of a constitutional amendment severely constraining the power of the judiciary. These, however, amount to minor deviations from Jefferson's central dedication to the principle that the scope of the government's activities should be severely restricted, and in the main Bassani's thesis cannot but strike the reader as correct.

It is beyond dispute that Jefferson embraced the conclusions about the nature and functions of government put forward by John Locke a century earlier. Not only did he regard Locke as one of three greatest men who ever lived, but the Declaration of Independence, the most lucid account of Jefferson's political views, reflects all the major principles of Locke's philosophy. All men are born with certain inalienable rights that precede the establishment of civil society and that are ours by virtue of our humanity and are not as a gift of the civil magistrate. The sole function of government is to secure these rights -- to insure that we are each permitted to act as we choose, limited only by our not trespassing on the rights of others. Again following Locke, Jefferson argues that once government violates our rights we are at liberty to take any actions we deem appropriate to put a halt to these violations, including the overthrow and replacement of the civil authority. This was the rationale put forward by the American revolutionaries for taking up arms against the British Crown, and this constituted the core of Jefferson's political philosophy.

A number of scholars have made much of the fact that Jefferson described the inalienable rights that attach to all human beings not as Locke's "lives, liberties, and estates" but as "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." They have interpreted this alteration as indicating that Jefferson abandoned the notion of private property as a fundamental natural right. As one historian has maintained, Jefferson's support for the institution of private property "does not imply preservation of inequality in the distribution of property." Indeed, he supported its widespread distribution, even were this to require government action. Bassani clearly shows that, not only is there no textual warrant for this conclusion but, on the contrary, on many occasions Jefferson made clear that he regarded private property as sacrosanct.

Why, then, the substitution of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" for "lives, liberties, and estates"? The phrase comes from George Mason's Virginia Declaration of Rights, with which Jefferson was familiar and possibly had before him when composing the Declaration of Independence. Mason, an uncompromising Lockean, had written that the "inherent rights" to which all men are born include "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety." There is nothing in Jefferson's paraphrase of Mason that remotely suggests, as Vernon Parrington contended, that this constitutes "a complete break with the Whiggish doctrine of property rights," nor, as Arthur Schlesinger argued, that Jefferson meant to imply that the true end of government is to secure the happiness of its subjects.

Historians of American political thought and of the ideas of its Founders owe a great debt to Professor Bassani for his penetrating study of Jefferson's thought, both for correcting the view that Jefferson distrusted market forces and supported an intrusive government to achieve a more equitable distribution of wealth and for re-establishing Jefferson as the Founding's chief theoretician of natural rights.

Ronald Hamowy is professor emeritus of intellectual history at the University of Alberta.

http://www.amconmag.com/blog/mr-natural-rights/

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FW: [CCCC-USA] Never Forgive A Traitor

Sir,
    My father was in Viet Nam at the time this refers to.  My father served this Republic faithfully for almost 20 years.  My father told me about Ms. Fonda and her "sitting on a tank to prevent it from firing in a combat zone."  Sir, the Constitution of these United States of America defines treason as follows in Article III, Section 3, paragraph 1.  "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."  That same paragraph further states that "No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or in Confession in open Court."  Now sir, i am SURE that if you were to look for any surviving 'guest' of the Ho Lo Prison, you will find MANY witnesses to the "same overt Act".  Do your job sir, and deny President Obama the authority to do this.  Or if he does, witness it with two OTHER Representatives and charge BOTH of them with TREASON.





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daniel karl seigler, born in Fort Benning, Cussetta County, Georgia, son of
Clarance Roland O'Neil Seigler, born in Ozark, Dale County, Alabama, son of
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Sorrow Looks back Fears Looks Around, But Faith Looks Up.                                          Jacquie is a dear friend of mine from my second tour to Nam. I was on the CTF76 staff and she worked for the Armed Forces Exchange on Okinawa. She was also the weather girl on the local TV. She is a straight shooter, so you can take her remarks below as gospel.   I was on Okinawa (Japan) when Jane and her entourage stopped on their way to Vietnam.  She was on AFRTS (Armed Forces Radio) spewing her misinformation about what was going on with regards to the war.  She was politely asked,  while broadcasting live on the radio, if she would meet with some of the wives stationed on Okinawa with their husbands to hear how they felt about their husbands being in Vietnam. She flatly refused and not very politely. When her work out videos came out, there was such outrage from our PX/BX customers (men and women who serve in our military branches) that we pulled the videos from our stores. If Obama or anyone else truly intends to give her this type of recognition, it is unconscienable.  Our country should not praise someone who in essence gave aid and comfort to the enemy...... which is considered a treasonable act. Jacquie   From: shirleyworford@msn.com Shirley Worford Ultra Realty Our Business Is Our Pleasure and It Shows! Cell: 214-680-1113 Fax: 214-522-7550 shirleyworford@msn.com             Never Forgive A Traitor    For those of you too young to remember Hanoi Jane is a bad person and did some terrible things during the Vietnam war.  Things that can not be forgiven!!!! . .     and now OBAMA wants to honor her......!!!!       In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland  who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!! She really is a traitor. A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.' BY BARBRA WALTERS WRITES: Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the  USAF   Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.' Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away.  During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the 'Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.  His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it , in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper.. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day. I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in  South Vietnam  in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs) We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....' When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her.. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.' Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me. These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget. RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343 PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE "The Speechless One"    "88"   =

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Re: Mubarak shows his support for US; by beating up US news reporters

Hey Studio,

 

Well, it just gets more and more bizarre, and I might have initially jumped the gun here....Looks as if Mubarak is doing everything that he can do, to shut down the media.....I apologize, I had missed a good bit of coverage during the course of the last day.  It appears that your initial assumption was correct.

 

KeithInKöln

 

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:05 PM, studio <tlack@hotmail.com> wrote:

Pro-Mubarak mobs attacking, detaining and beating western news
reporters in order to control the narrative coming out of Egypt.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/03/egyptian-security-forces-continue-to-round-up-western-journalists/

 

Like I said earlier....Some fascinating television, and some really really good copy and a story line for Anderson Cooper, Christine Amanpour, and a host of other journalists......Let's make it as dangerous as we can folks!  Americans love this shit!!

 

 

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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

Dear Studio: My objective is to put no one in jail. By having that
'penalty' there, those in government and in the media should start
behaving themselves. Read my just published book: "The Shortest
Distance; Harmony Through Prosperity" (Amazon and B. & N.). There is
an entire chapter on criminal justice. You'll see that I'm more
against imprisoning people than doing so. — John A. Armistead —.
>
On Feb 3, 3:45 pm, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:58 am, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 5:45 pm, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > lol... how many times you gonna post this?
>
> > Dear Studio:  I will keep repeating my "save the USA" messages until
> > we, as a country, make the mid-course-corrections that are a century
> > over-due.  The God-damned media shall be made to COVER the news, not
> > manipulate the News for their ratings!  And if you are a socialist,
> > I'd highly recommend that you not go on any national news program to
> > promote your anti-American objectives.  Those who do so will be
> > spending at least three years in jail.  If you don't like what I'm
> > saying, please go elsewhere.  — John A. Armistead —
>
> lol... I agree with the news coverage part, but then you go off the
> deep end with putting people in jail, but you're careful NOT to call
> that a social agenda.
>
> NoEinstein continued:
>
> > Dear Studio: You are mainly an airhead who gets offended being shown
> > to be wrong.
>
> Really?
> Then you don't read much of me and I highly recommend that you do.
> I've been known to retract things I say that are wrong, and apologize
> to people who I unwittingly offend.
> I can't say the same of you because you haven't written that much
> here, and I doubt I would find an example of a guy like you who is
> writing a new Constitution for the US single-handily.
>
> > I can assure you that any person who voluntarily gives
> > up his or her life for their nation, knows in their heart that they
> > are people of principle. The dictionaries side with me, not you, on
> > the definition of 'patriot'. So quit you bluster. You are impressing
> > no one. — John A. Armistead — Patriot!
>
> Couldn't find any examples to cite for me huh?
>
> There's lots of people who have given their lives for this country for
> things they thought had nothing to do with anything you're saying.
> You have no monopoly on them, so stop pretending you do.

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Re: Good News! Wall Street bonuses up 5.7% - $135 billion

five years ago - just before the debacle of Pelosi and Reid. I am a
dead fast republican but I was definitely in the minority there and so
were your friends. Sure Wall St is a big place - all 4 blocks of it.
All you had to do was keep your eyes open and watch what was going on
and who the major players were. It was obvious what was going on and
who was doing it - and the Republicans were not the major players.

On 02/03/2011 03:48 PM, studio wrote:
> On Feb 3, 12:09 am, dick thompson<rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I don't drink at all. Not changing the subject. You were trying to
>> link Wall St to the Republicans and I was just refuting your comments
>> since I was there on Wall Street with friends working up and down the
>> street and knew what was going on. You could not have been more wrong.
>> The biggest benefactors of the Dems, other than trial lawyers and
>> unions, were the big Wall St execs like the CEO of the company were I
>> was employed.
> Well, I have friends who worked there also, and they are dead-fast
> Republicans.
>
> I don't remember exactly when you said you left Wall Street, but it's
> obvious that Wall Street is a big place and you didn't know everything
> that was going on.
>

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Re: Will You?

Only if I get paid enough.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:36 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/4dptgzv

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Hey, what happened to the Groups drop down menu?

you know, at the top that had all of our group links

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Re: Let’s Tear Apart Newt Gingrich’s Homophobic Gay Marriage Logic!

Tommy,

Aside from the "well if they're the same..." argument -- if a civil
union had exactly the same legal rights as a marriage, would that be
acceptable to you?

On Feb 2, 8:43 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Newt Bedhopper Frogrich is a Homophobic Adulterous Hypocrite!
>
> Let's Tear Apart Newt Gingrich's Gay Marriage Logic!
>
> 2/2/11 at 12:50 PM Comment 26Comment 26Comments
> In some ways, the debate hosted by George Washington University last
> night between Howard Dean and Newt Gingrich was the first of the
> presidential campaign season, at least for Gingrich. Based on his
> performance, he'll be a formidable debate opponent for his fellow
> Republicans and, who knows, maybe President Obama. The former House
> Speaker demonstrated his ability to speak easily and at length on what
> will be the most prominent issues of the campaign, like the economy,
> national security, health-care reform, and immigration. He also
> briefly shared his thoughts on gay marriage:
>
> So Gingrich's argument is that:
> 1. He believes that marriage should be only between a man and a woman.
> 2. The GWU student believes that marriage should be between anyone who
> wants to get married.
> 3. Both have an equal right to their own beliefs.
> 4. Gay people can't get married.
>
> Something weird happened there between 3 and 4. The logical solution
> would be that gay people can get gay married, Newt Gingrich can get
> straight married, and nobody has to force their own personal beliefs
> on the other. But Gingrich doesn't come to that conclusion for some
> reason. Admittedly, neither does about half the country, and
> Gingrich's position is widely accepted, especially among Republican
> primary voters, the first group he has to impress.
>
> But here's a prediction: Gay marriage may not be a hugely important
> issue in the election, but because President Obama seems destined to
> announce his embrace of gay marriage in the not-too-distant future, it
> will be an issue. And you just know how Obama is going explain his
> change of heart, whenever he's asked about it, in debates and town
> halls and TV interviews — with stirring language about upholding core
> American ideals like equality, individual freedom, and loving thy
> neighbor. Maybe our liberal New Yorker mindset is tainting our
> thinking, but it's not hard to imagine Obama's conversion pushing a
> populace already rapidly warming to the idea of gay marriage further
> in that direction, to the point that a clear, reliable majority of the
> country finds the arguments of Gingrich (and the rest of the
> Republican field) as hollow and unconvincing as they truly are. At the
> very least, Gingrich may want to start thinking about how to deliver
> these unconvincing arguments without a sneer.
>
> More:http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/02/lets_tear_apart_newt_gingrichs.html
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> Have a great day,
> Tommy

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Re: The White House Jihadist, Obama, Stands by Muslim Brotherhood Endorsement

On Feb 2, 8:13 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Tommie! Tommie! Tommie !

Islamophobia would insinuate an irrational fear. As opposed to
what your irrational love for Islam. Jihad against westerners, Sharia
Law, honor killings, a caliphate, beheading, terror bombers,
assassin's, women beating ,etc; and somehow to you and your ilk this
is all rational !?

> Little Travis-
>
> Please refrain from sending your Reich wingnut Islamophobic
> anti-American hate, lies, and false smear!
>
> This makes you look like a complete moron.
>
> On 2/2/11, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
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> > Obama proved, long ago, his allegiance to his brothers in islam.  The United
> > States Of America MUST remove this islamist from OUR White House. Before
> > it's too late. ********************************************************
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Re: Punxsutawney Phil celebrates 125 years of Groundhog Day, Predicts Early Spring

Guten Abend CW!  (And Tommie!)

 

I think this was the first time that I actually saw the festivities in Punxsutawney.....In my whole life!  They televised it here, on several Deutsch television stations,  as well as CNN International.   I'd heard about the deal all of my life, but I had never seen it until yesterday.  All of the men are formally dressed, in tails, ties and top hats!  Everyone on Punxsutawney (as well as Phil, who also predicted) that the Pittsburgh Steelers are taking the show this year!!

 

As a side note, yesterday, I finally got down, "Ich gehen sie in die Kölner Gefängnis bitte"; and threw in,  "My Client".....I am pretty sure that my Turkish Taxi driver was convinced that I was a homosexual.....

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Cold Water <coldwater000@gmail.com> wrote:

I was born in a small town not far from Punxsutawney.  The schools were closed on Groundhog Day so we could go and enjoy the festivities.  It was a great Winter break.

 

I must take exception with the author of this article.  Phil is NOT a pudgy rodent!  Phil (and all the Phils before him) is the cutest groundhog I have ever seen.  Much cuter than Buckeye Chuck.

 

Yesterday morning (Groundhog Day) I woke up at about 4am, turned on the patio light to let my little Maggie out and I see the groundhog (nests about two acres from my property) scoot across the yard and I saw his shadow.  Maybe it was the floodlight from the patio?

 

BTW Keith, the whole groundhog-shadow business is from an old German folktale.  Many Germans (including my paternal grandmother's family of Hessians) settled in that area in Pennsylvania.

 

CW

 

From: politicalforum@googlegroups.com [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tommy News
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 08:28
To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
Subject: Punxsutawney Phil celebrates 125 years of Groundhog Day, Predicts Early Spring

 

Punxsutawney Phil celebrates 125 years of Groundhog DayComments

By Laura Bly, USA TODAY



Punxsutawney Phil, right, is held by Ben Hughes after emerging from
his burrow on Gobblers Knob in Punxsutawney, Pa., to see his shadow
and forecast six more weeks of winter weather Feb. 2, 2010.

CAPTIONBy Gene J. Puskar, AP In the hit 1993 comedy Groundhog Day,
weatherman Bill Murray's worst nightmare is to keep waking up in the
snowy Pennsylvania town of Punxsutawney - home of a pudgy,
prognosticating rodent named Phil.


Murray's disdain notwithstanding, Phil's Feb. 2 forecasts have been
drawing revelers to Punxsutawney for 125 years ... and today was no
exception, despite freezing rain and a wind advisory. Shivering
celebrants watched as Phil emerged from his temporary burrow—a
simulated tree stump at the rural site of Gobbler's Knob - and, to no
one's surprise, failed to see his shadow. The subsequent verdict from
his handlers: The Pittsburgh Steelers are headed to the Super Bowl,
and spring is around the corner.

RELATED:  How accurate is the groundhog at predicting weather?


For those of us who haven't made the trek to Punxsutawney, about 80
miles northeast of Pittsburgh, Phil is going high-tech with texts,
Foursquare badges and Facebook updates of his early morning forecast.
Fans could watch streaming video of the big announcement here.

As for snuggling like Murray and co-star Andie MacDowell in that
Punxsutawney B&B? "That was a bit of Hollywood fiction," the tourist
office notes. " There really is a Cherry Street, but there is no bed &
breakfast there. You could stay at the Pantall Hotel, which is where
Bill Murray stayed when he visited in 1992."

More:
http://travel.usatoday.com/destinations/dispatches/post/2011/02/punsutawney-phil-celebrates-125-years-of-groundhog-day/141150/1

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Re: Let’s Tear Apart Newt Gingrich’s Homophobic Gay Marriage Logic!

Stop the hate, smear, lies and violence Lil'Tommie!!

 

Most of what you have cut and pasted has not veracity or truth to it....

 

It's carnival season, no matter where you are. Go, grab your assless chaps, (or your Statute of Liberty Costume) and go to parading!  Get off of the hateful nonsense!!

 

KeithInKöln

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Newt Bedhopper Frogrich is a Homophobic Adulterous Hypocrite!

Let's Tear Apart Newt Gingrich's Gay Marriage Logic!

2/2/11 at 12:50 PM Comment 26Comment 26Comments
In some ways, the debate hosted by George Washington University last
night between Howard Dean and Newt Gingrich was the first of the
presidential campaign season, at least for Gingrich. Based on his
performance, he'll be a formidable debate opponent for his fellow
Republicans and, who knows, maybe President Obama. The former House
Speaker demonstrated his ability to speak easily and at length on what
will be the most prominent issues of the campaign, like the economy,
national security, health-care reform, and immigration. He also
briefly shared his thoughts on gay marriage:


So Gingrich's argument is that:
1. He believes that marriage should be only between a man and a woman.
2. The GWU student believes that marriage should be between anyone who
wants to get married.
3. Both have an equal right to their own beliefs.
4. Gay people can't get married.

Something weird happened there between 3 and 4. The logical solution
would be that gay people can get gay married, Newt Gingrich can get
straight married, and nobody has to force their own personal beliefs
on the other. But Gingrich doesn't come to that conclusion for some
reason. Admittedly, neither does about half the country, and
Gingrich's position is widely accepted, especially among Republican
primary voters, the first group he has to impress.

But here's a prediction: Gay marriage may not be a hugely important
issue in the election, but because President Obama seems destined to
announce his embrace of gay marriage in the not-too-distant future, it
will be an issue. And you just know how Obama is going explain his
change of heart, whenever he's asked about it, in debates and town
halls and TV interviews — with stirring language about upholding core
American ideals like equality, individual freedom, and loving thy
neighbor. Maybe our liberal New Yorker mindset is tainting our
thinking, but it's not hard to imagine Obama's conversion pushing a
populace already rapidly warming to the idea of gay marriage further
in that direction, to the point that a clear, reliable majority of the
country finds the arguments of Gingrich (and the rest of the
Republican field) as hollow and unconvincing as they truly are. At the
very least, Gingrich may want to start thinking about how to deliver
these unconvincing arguments without a sneer.

More:
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/02/lets_tear_apart_newt_gingrichs.html
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RE: Punxsutawney Phil celebrates 125 years of Groundhog Day, Predicts Early Spring

I was born in a small town not far from Punxsutawney.  The schools were closed on Groundhog Day so we could go and enjoy the festivities.  It was a great Winter break.

 

I must take exception with the author of this article.  Phil is NOT a pudgy rodent!  Phil (and all the Phils before him) is the cutest groundhog I have ever seen.  Much cuter than Buckeye Chuck.

 

Yesterday morning (Groundhog Day) I woke up at about 4am, turned on the patio light to let my little Maggie out and I see the groundhog (nests about two acres from my property) scoot across the yard and I saw his shadow.  Maybe it was the floodlight from the patio?

 

BTW Keith, the whole groundhog-shadow business is from an old German folktale.  Many Germans (including my paternal grandmother’s family of Hessians) settled in that area in Pennsylvania.

 

CW

 

From: politicalforum@googlegroups.com [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tommy News
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 08:28
To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
Subject: Punxsutawney Phil celebrates 125 years of Groundhog Day, Predicts Early Spring

 

Punxsutawney Phil celebrates 125 years of Groundhog DayComments

By Laura Bly, USA TODAY



Punxsutawney Phil, right, is held by Ben Hughes after emerging from
his burrow on Gobblers Knob in Punxsutawney, Pa., to see his shadow
and forecast six more weeks of winter weather Feb. 2, 2010.

CAPTIONBy Gene J. Puskar, AP In the hit 1993 comedy Groundhog Day,
weatherman Bill Murray's worst nightmare is to keep waking up in the
snowy Pennsylvania town of Punxsutawney - home of a pudgy,
prognosticating rodent named Phil.


Murray's disdain notwithstanding, Phil's Feb. 2 forecasts have been
drawing revelers to Punxsutawney for 125 years ... and today was no
exception, despite freezing rain and a wind advisory. Shivering
celebrants watched as Phil emerged from his temporary burrow—a
simulated tree stump at the rural site of Gobbler's Knob - and, to no
one's surprise, failed to see his shadow. The subsequent verdict from
his handlers: The Pittsburgh Steelers are headed to the Super Bowl,
and spring is around the corner.

RELATED:  How accurate is the groundhog at predicting weather?


For those of us who haven't made the trek to Punxsutawney, about 80
miles northeast of Pittsburgh, Phil is going high-tech with texts,
Foursquare badges and Facebook updates of his early morning forecast.
Fans could watch streaming video of the big announcement here.

As for snuggling like Murray and co-star Andie MacDowell in that
Punxsutawney B&B? "That was a bit of Hollywood fiction," the tourist
office notes. " There really is a Cherry Street, but there is no bed &
breakfast there. You could stay at the Pantall Hotel, which is where
Bill Murray stayed when he visited in 1992."

More:
http://travel.usatoday.com/destinations/dispatches/post/2011/02/punsutawney-phil-celebrates-125-years-of-groundhog-day/141150/1

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