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Re: JP Real Face of Amir Liaquat

Salaam o aliakum everyone,

I hope ramadan is going well. I totally agree with Ali and also wanted to add my two cent in the whole debate. I didn't understand why we are so surprised about this video, we already knew that he lied about his fake degrees.

Now it established that he is like a "jali peer"who is a con artist, scamming people and getting paid for his services.

May Allah swt protect us for Dajjal (the deception) and his followers, Ameen.

Sherry Khan

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From: Ali <alizid_prv@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: **JP** Real Face of Amir Liaquat

Dear Narmeen,

Salam, this is Ali here.

i realy realy appriciate ur views and thoughts..... bt.....

ek aadmi jo aap ko deen sikha raha hy, puri media per ek Islam ka rehbar bana hua hy, jis ko kisi had tak log follow krty hy dini lehaz sy.....

hamry ALLAH ka din or hamary Peyary NABI s.a.wa.w ka din, QURAN ki taleem kia hum ye sub us ko allow kary gy, or aeso sy hum Din lyngy......

aeso ko expose he krna chahye Narmeen, parda nahi dalna chahye, warna kal ko to ye khuly aam Din ki batian bhi karain gy, apni zindagi k mazy bhi lyngy......

sory again lekin hum aesy logo sy ALLAH, NABI or QURAN ki batain nahi sunain gy......

plz plz plz think again.......

From: Narmeen Zia <narmeen_khi@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: **JP** Real Face of Amir Liaquat

aslam o alikum

Mereay khayaal meyn kisi k ayeb ki parda poshi sub say acha amal hay.

hum kisi ki ghalti ko expose ker k kia faida hasil ker saktay heyn..

aur is video ko release kernay walay nay kia apnay peshay kaa badianati

nahi ki...??

Theek hay aamir liaqauat ka yeh amal kabal-e-muzamat zaroor hay lekin is

video ko release kernay walay ka amal sara sir badianati nahi ???

aur keaa us kaa yeh amal us k leye GUNAH-e-JARIAA nahi bun giaa ??

Meray khyaal meyn is burai ko phelanay walay tamaam logon ko taubaa

kerni chahieyee.....

Wallah Alam Bil Khair..

Aye Allah Hum sub ko Hidyat naseeb farmaa ... AAMEEN..

From: madiha mubasher <silverscreen_88@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: **JP** Real Face of Amir Liaquat

Hello Mam kis proof ki ap baat kar rahe hain ye video kisi proof say kam hai kaya kindly ap apni aankho ko khulay or reality ko qabool karien.ye tu kuch nai is Dr ka real face is say b ghatiya hai i hate aamir liaqat ali

Shame on u ap jase log fisad pada kate ho ap k pas kia prof ha es bat k real main asa kaha haa doctor sahib ne asa kaha ha

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Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 4:10 PM
Subject: **JP** Real Face of Amir Liaquat

Assalam-o-alaikum

Check out the real face of Amir Liaquat Hussain (off-camera scenes) and watch his Tv shows.... what a hyporicy. He is hosting islamic shows, such as "Alim Online", "Sehar with Amir" etc. but off the screen he uses worst abusive language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVynm206Jlo

He is basically Ahl-e-Tashi but pretends as a Sunni Alim.

Farhan

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JP Letter to Editor - Karachi Carnage

Dear Join Pakistan

LETTER TO EDITOR

August 18, 2011

Karachi Carnage

Not a day passes when at least a dozen or more of innocent lives are not lost in Karachi. Today, by the time of writing this letter, the score was 32 . Thirty Two families deprived of the bread earners and destroyed in just one day !! Could there be anything more catastrophic than it, just ask the widows and the children of the affected families? What is more alarming is that such wanton killing is now taking the form of organised gang war which will result in still more deaths. Whatever the politicians of various shades may say, the fact remains that the government of the Sindh has badly failed in maintaining law and order in the city and cannot ensure safety of life and property in Karachi. It is an open secret now that the killers are from land mafia, arms mafia, drug mafia and bhatta mafia, each one having the patronage of one or the other political party. So has the Karachi police been entirely politicised and rendered completely ineffective.&nbs p; On the top of it both the Federal Minister of Interior and the Home Minister of the Province look to be totally non serious in restoring law and order by making comical statements. While the one attributes 70% of the killing to the wives and girl friends of the victims the other keeps literally dreaming about the various options that he should adopt. It is not understood as to why such an incompetent government that has totally failed in its prime and foremost duty of protecting the life and property of the people is not dismissed and the Governor’s rule imposed straight away. Since it is clearly beyond the police and to some degree Rangers as well, army must be called in immediately to restore law and order. As the army would the last hope it must not fail as a deterrent. Therefore, it must be given a free hand and full judicial powers of holding Summary Military Courts for speedy trials and expeditious dispensation of justice. P eople expect the President to take immediate notice of the situation and impose Governor’s rule in the province. Is the safety of life and property of the people more important or the political considerations of making and breaking the coalition partners and devising the strategy for the future elections ?

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Re: Did Ron Paul's presidential bid just get a big boost from Jon Stewart?

So why do the media ignore Ron Paul?
---
because he's against US interventionist policies and doesn't favor
Israel

On Aug 17, 3:21 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Vox NewsDid Ron Paul's presidential bid just get a big boost from Jon Stewart?Libertarian Ron Paul narrowly lost the Iowa straw poll to Michele Bachmann, yet has been cut out of media postmortems on the GOP's top tier. Does he deserve more coverage? Jon Stewart thinks so.By Peter Grier, Staff writer / August 16, 2011
> When didRon Paulbecome theGOPpresidential candidate-who-must-not-be-named?
> "Daily Show" hostJon Stewartasked that question onhis show Monday nightand in doing so he sparked a discussion among the media hordes that has produced more than a few mea culpas and could perhaps -- perhaps -- lead to more coverage of the libertarianTexascongressmen in the future.
> In particular, Mr. Stewart took aim at the fact that Mr. Paul narrowly lost theAmes, Iowa, straw poll toMichele Bachmannyet was almost entirely left out of the journalistic political postmortem.
> He ran a hilarious montage of pundits proclaiming the new top tier was Representative Bachmann ofMinnesota,Texas Gov. Rick Perry(who wasn t even entered in the straw poll), and formerMassachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney(who made little effort there).
> Yet Paul fell only 152 votes short of winning the poll.
> How did libertarian Ron Paul become the 13th floor in a hotel? said Stewart.
> It s true that the Ames vote is hardly representative of evenIowa, much less the nation as a whole. But as Stewart added, He s the one guy in the field, agree with him or don t agree with him, who doesn t just regurgitate talking points or change what he believes to fit the audience in front of him.
> So why do the media ignore Ron Paul? And please, if you re a Paulite, please read this whole thing before you take down our e-mail with angry missives.
> They ignore him because he has little chance of winning or expanding his base beyond the relatively small number of Americans who agree with him that relinking the dollar to gold would be a good thing.
> Right now an average of national polls puts Paul at about 8.7 percent, notesNew York Timespolling expertNate Silverin hisFiveThirtyEightblog.
> "Paul might be able to get upwards of 25 percent of the vote in next year sIowa caucus, but I wonder how much upside his candidacy has beyond his very dedicated core of supporters,writes Mr. Silver.
> But here s the media s little secret: viability isn t really as important a coverage criteria as reporters pretend. If it was, nobody would ever have written two sentences about the presidential stylings ofDonald Trump. (Who, you may remember,dissed Ron Paul s chancesearlier this year in a speech at theConservative Political Action Conference.)
> No, the media are after what is termed a good story. And that s kind of a circular criteria, in the sense that the media rule what a good story is. ThusJon Huntsmancontinues to get fairly positive coverage, despite the fact that he got 69 votes at the Iowa caucus and barely breaks 2 percent in national polls.
> We ll say it here: Ron Paul deserves at least as much ink (or as many pixels) as Jon Huntsman.
> This whole affair has producedat least some coveragethat sounds a bit like an apology, orurges reportersto take Paul more seriously in the future.
> We re also betting that it leads soon to a Ron Paul "Daily Show" appearance. By our count, he s already been on at least three times in recent years.Election 101: Ron Paul sets sights on 2012. Ten things to know about him.http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/Vox-News/2011/0816/Did-Ron-Paul-s-presidential-bid-just-get-a-big-boost-from-Jon-Stewart

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Re: Fwd: [I-S] Racism at Holder Justice? New Court Ruling in Black Panther Scandal.

there is no doubt that Obama and Holder protected the thugs

some won't forget

On Aug 18, 4:26 am, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/3plperq*
>
> * *
>
> *Racism at Holder Justice? New Court Ruling in Black Panther Scandal·
> <http://www.rightsidenews.com/2011081214281/us/politics-and-economics/...>
> *
>
> Friday, 12 August 2011 16:34 Tom Fitton ****
>
> [image: E-mail]<http://www.rightsidenews.com/component/option,com_mailto/link,23622b6...>[image:
> Print]<http://www.rightsidenews.com/2011081214281/us/politics-and-economics/...>
> ****
>
> Judicial Watch earned a victory in court on August 4 in its pursuit of
> documents related to the Obama administration's Black Panther scandal. (This
> gets a bit technical, so hang with me.)
>
> In short, a federal court rejected a claim of the "attorney work-product
> doctrine" by the Department of Justice (DOJ) for documents prepared after
> the government dismissed its case against the New Black Panther Party for
> Self Defense on May 15, 2009. (The work-product doctrine shields materials
> prepared in anticipation of litigation from release. The Obama
> administration was using it to try to protect documents sought by JW through
> the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and a related
> lawsuit<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>
> .)****
>
> [image: New_Black_Panthers]Several members of the New Black Panther Party
> were accused of engaging in voter
> intimidation<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>during
> the 2008 presidential campaign.
> ****
>
> *Related:*****
>
> Explosive New Justice Department Black Panther
> Emails<http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010111312101/us/politics-and-economics/...>
> ****
>
> Obama Gang's Black Panther Misinformation -
> Scandal<http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010092511741/us/politics-and-economics/...>
> ****
>
> The MSM Blackout of the Black Panther Scandal vs. Children with Fingers in
> their Ears
> <http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010070510889/us/politics-and-economics/...>
> ****
>
> Black Panthers case: A travesty of justice, says former DOJ chief
> <http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010092511742/editorial/us-opinion-and-e...>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> In his August 4, 2011,
> decision<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>,
> U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton rejected the Obama DOJ's arguments that
> documents prepared after the government dismissed its case (against the
> Black Panthers on May 15, 2009) could be withheld under the "attorney
> work-product privilege" exemption. Judge Walton explained:****
>
> Although an injunction remains in place in the New Black Panther Party
> case…the filing of the motion for voluntary dismissal largely marked the end
> of the litigation. As such, the documents prepared subsequent to that event
> were not prepared in contemplation of litigation and are thus outside the
> scope of the work-product privilege.****
>
> Because the case had essentially ended on May 15, 2009, Judge Walton found
> that "it is difficult to see how" the 24 documents created after May 15,
> 2009, "were prepared or obtained because of the prospect of litigation,
> which is the testing question the Court must answer in evaluating the DOJ's
> work-product claim."****
>
> Although Judge Walton found that the DOJ improperly withheld the 24
> documents under the attorney work product doctrine, he concluded that the
> documents were properly withheld under the deliberative process privilege.
> (This is the exemption that intends to protect the internal processes of the
> executive branch. The idea is that by guaranteeing confidentiality, the
> government is in a better position to receive candid advice and
> recommendations. In our experience, the government often uses this privilege
> broadly and inappropriately to stonewall the release of information to the
> public.)****
>
> Judge Walton also found that the DOJ failed to satisfy its burden of showing
> that the 24 documents may be withheld in their entirety. Under the
> deliberative process privilege, the DOJ may only withhold information that
> is "predecisional and deliberative." Judge Walton explained:****
>
> As it stands now, the description of the DOJ's segregation efforts is too
> general for the Court, and the plaintiff, to evaluate whether any factual
> material in these documents is 'inextricably intertwined' with the
> deliberative material and would thus permit the DOJ to withhold the
> documents in their entirety.****
>
> Judge Walton provided the DOJ a second chance to satisfy its burden by
> submitting "a renewed motion for summary judgment accompanied by a
> declaration or other documentation that solely addresses the segregability
> issue."****
>
> (The DOJ's renewed motion for summary judgment is due September 30, 2011.
> Judge Walton hopes to rule by February 3, 2012.)****
>
> Importantly, Judge Walton also stated that if the Obama DOJ fails to
> "provide adequate detail regarding why these documents cannot be segregated,
> the DOJ will be required to disclose the non-exempt portions to [Judicial
> Watch]."****
>
> So additional documents could be forthcoming, which would help Judicial
> Watch to complete the public record on this race-tinged scandal.****
>
> Let's review what we know so far…****
>
> According to a DOJ
> document<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>previously
> produced to Judicial Watch, top political appointees at the DOJ
> were involved in the decision to dismiss its voting rights case against the
> New Black Panther Party, including Associate Attorney General Thomas
> Perrelli, the third highest ranking official at the Obama DOJ.****
>
> Attorney General Eric Holder also received "an update on a planned course of
> action in the NBPP" from Acting Assistant Attorney General Loretta King
> dated May 12, 2009, just three days before the case was dismissed, according
> to a *Vaughn* index uncovered by Judicial Watch. (A
> *Vaughn<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>
> * index describes documents being withheld from disclosure under FOIA and
> the basis for the withholdings.)****
>
> The documents JW uncovered through this *Vaughn*
> index<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>include
> descriptions of internal DOJ email correspondence that directly
> contradict sworn
> testimony<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>by
> Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights
> Division,
> who testified before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights that no political
> leadership was involved in the decision.****
>
> So now you see why it is so important to force the release of as much
> information as possible about this scandal, and to find out why the Obama
> administration is going to such extraordinary lengths to shield this
> information from the public.****
>
> We already know the Obama administration's claim that political appointees
> were not involved in this decision is patently false. And now DOJ officials
> continue to fight tooth-and-nail to stonewall the release of additional
> information. What else do they have to hide? This new court ruling means
> that we may pry loose some additional information on this voter intimidation
> scandal and perhaps get to the truth in the matter.****
>
> Of course, one of the major discoveries emerging from this scandal is the
> Obama DOJ's racist and preferential application of civil rights laws. And if
> you'd like to know more about this problem, then please read on.****
>
> *Obama Justice: Will Not Investigate Radical Hispanic Group That Attacked
> Civil Rights Activist*
>
> If you needed any more evidence of the level of corruption that exists
> inside the Obama Department of Justice (DOJ) when it comes to enforcing
> civil rights statutes, here it is.****
>
> As I mentioned in this space several months ago, on March 15, 2011, civil
> rights activist Ted Hayes testified, by invitation before the Judiciary
> Committee of the Maryland House of Delegates, against providing taxpayer
> dollars for in-state tuition benefits for illegal aliens. Shortly after his
> testimony, Mr. Hayes was subjected to vicious retribution by a radical
> Hispanic group known as "The Timmytop," which posted a hate video on a
> YouTube channel that included racist smears and death threats.****
>
> The video begins with the message "[expletive] you 'Mayate,'" which is
> reportedly a racist and derogatory term used to smear African-Americans and
> "dark skinned" people. The video then streams a series of racist images
> including: The silhouette of a man hanging from a noose; photos of Mr. Hayes
> adjacent to photos of monkeys and bananas; and doctored photos of Mr. Hayes
> pictured with a gun next to his head. The video, which runs two minutes and
> nine seconds, concludes with the message "Your [sic] FREE Now Mayate go back
> to Africa."****
>
> The video has since been removed from its original placement on YouTube, but
> it is available on Judicial Watch's website
> here<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>.
> (If you choose to watch it, please be warned that it is extremely offensive
> and unfit for young eyes.)****
>
> You might think that this type of vile behavior would earn the interest of
> the DOJ's Civil Rights Division. (That's what we thought, too.) After all,
> this is the division at the DOJ that is responsible for investigating and
> prosecuting violations of civil rights, including, and perhaps especially,
> those that could have a chilling effect on the First Amendment. In this
> case, you have the intimidation of a witness through death threats and
> humiliation.****
>
> Judicial Watch filed a complaint with the DOJ regarding the matter on April
> 28, 2011, calling for a full investigation. And recently we received a
> response<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>directly
> from the office of Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez (of
> Black Panther scandal fame). It was short and sweet:****
>
> The Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted an investigation into the
> matter referenced in your letter. We and the United States Attorney's Office
> for the Central District of California reviewed the results of that
> investigation and concluded that this incident does not constitute a
> prosecutable violation of the federal criminal civil rights statutes.
> Accordingly we cannot authorize a criminal prosecution of this matter.****
>
> That's it. No further explanation. No review of the evidence "reviewed" by
> the DOJ. Not even a concession that the treatment of Mr. Hayes was
> reprehensible and wrong. Just a flat out rejection and a lame reference to
> the DOJ's general commitment to "combating violations of federal law that
> are motivated by racial or ethnic bias."****
>
> So here we have another in a long line of examples of corruption at the
> Obama DOJ concerning the enforcement of civil rights laws. Apparently the
> enforcement of civil rights at the DOJ no longer has anything to do with
> violations of the law. It's all about racial preferences and partisan
> politics.****
>
> Put another way, had Ted Hayes been a left-wing activist testifying on
> behalf of illegal alien tuition and attacked by white "conservatives," Perez
> would have sprung into action. Trust me on that.****
>
> How do I know? Just look at the record!****
>
> First, consider the Black Panther scandal discussed in the first Weekly
> Update story. The DOJ dismissed it's own voter intimidation lawsuit filed
> against members of Black Panthers, who hurled racial epithets and threatened
> white voters at a polling station in 2008. The Obama adminstration said no
> political appointees were involved in this decision. In fact, Perez himself
> testified to this effect. This testimony was false. JW uncovered evidence
> that indeed political appointees at the highest levels inside the Obama DOJ
> were involved. And why is this important?****
>
> According to *The Washington
> Post<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>
> *, "[DOJ attorney J. Christian] Adams and a Justice Department colleague
> have said the [Black Panther] case was dismissed because the department is
> reluctant to pursue cases against minorities accused of violating the voting
> rights of whites."****
>
> Describing the environment over at the Obama DOJ, Christopher
> Coates<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>,
> a DOJ attorney, testified before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights that
> there exists at the DOJ "…a deep-seated opposition to the equal enforcement
> of the Voting Rights Act against racial minorities and for the protection of
> whites who have been discriminated against."****
>
> So, we know that the DOJ is involved in the race-based
> *selective*enforcement of civil rights laws. (Our friends (and client)
> over at Pajamas
> Media<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>have
> also exposed the radical leftists being planted in the career ranks at
> DOJ, which further explains why a conservative seeking protection can get no
> justice at Justice.)****
>
> Now, Mr. Hayes is black. But he's not in left-wing lock-step with the Obama
> administration on the issue of illegal alien tuition. And his attackers just
> happen to be part of a key voter block for the Obama 2012 re-election
> campign. So Mr. Hayes evidently is not entitled to any protection under law.
> ****
>
> Remember, too, the immigration issue addressed by Mr. Hayes in the testimony
> that led to threats on his life. The Obama DOJ has taken a "La Raza"
> approach to the issue, allowing illegal alien sanctuary
> cities<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>to
> thrive, while attacking states that want to crack down on illegal
> aliens.
> The Obama administration has also begun dismissing deportation
> cases<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>against
> a wide range of illegal aliens, including those convicted of violent
> crimes.****
>
> Mr. Hayes is on the opposite side of the fence of Obama on these issues. And
> it is his politics that seem to define how the DOJ responded to his case.
> Which is just shameless and unlawful. This is yet another scandal in the
> Obama/Holder DOJ that ought to result in a new attorney general.****
>
> *Appeals Court Rules Fannie/Freddie Docs Can be Kept Secret by Obama
> Administration*
>
> So far the U.S. government has bailed out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to the
> tune of at least $130
> billion<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>,
> and perhaps as much as $1
> trillion<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>.
> And yet, the Obama adminsitration continues to stonewall the release of
> documents that could shed light on why Fannie and Freddie failed, thereby
> sending the economy into a tailspin from which we have yet to recover.
> (Those records are housed at the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) now
> that Fannie and Freddie are owned and operated by the federal government.)**
> **
>
> Judicial Watch is especially interested in documents related to the
> political contributions of Fannie and Freddie. And we've gone to court to
> get our hands on them. Unfortunately, our efforts sustained another setback
> when an appellate court sided with the
> government<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>and
> ruled that Fannie and Freddie's records are not subject to Freedom of
> Information Act (FOIA) law and may continue to be kept secret:****
>
> The Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) has been the conservator of Fannie
> Mae and Freddie Mac since 2008. Judicial Watch filed a request under the
> Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) asking the FHFA to disclose records of
> Fannie and Freddie that show how much money they gave to political
> campaigns. But it is uncontested that no one at the FHFA has ever read or
> relied upon any such documents. The district court held that the documents
> are not agency records subject to FOIA, and we agree.****
>
> So, in other words, because no one at the FHFA, the agency in charge of
> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, has "read or relied upon" the documents, they
> are not considered agency records under FOIA, and cannot be released.
> (Here's an idea. Maybe someone at FHFA *should* read the documents so
> someone in the government might have a clue as to why these two institutions
> failed so miserably.)****
>
> ** **
>
> We obviously, strenuously disagree with that Alice-in-Wonderland logic, as
> explained in our appellate
> brief<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>:
> "In every meaningful way, the FHFA is lawfully in control of these records.
> There is nothing contingent, hypothetical, indefinite, or limiting about
> this plain statutory language vesting the FHFA with both legal custody and
> lawful control over the records." Our lawyers are considering what the next
> step should be in this important legal battle.****
>
> But even though the record is incomplete with regard to Fannie and Freddie,
> we do know of one major factor in their demise: the corrupt relationship
> between the two mortgage giants and their congressional conspirators, who
> looked the other way while Fannie and Freddie continued their reckless
> lending policies. That's why we're after these records.****
>
> Members of Congress received more than $4.8 million in political
> contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over a ten-year period.****
>
> According to OpenSecrets.org<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>from
> 1998 through 2008, the top ten recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie
> Mac's political largesse are as follows: Senator Dodd (D-CT), then-Senator
> Obama (D-IL), Senator Kerry (D-MA), Senator Bennett (R-UT), Rep. Bachus
> (R-AL), Rep. Blunt (R-MO), Rep. Kanjorski (D-PA), Senator Bond (R-MO),
> Senator Shelby (R-AL), Senator Reed (D-RI). Senator Dodd, the top recipient
> of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions, is Chairman of the
> Senate Banking Committee responsible for regulating the mortgage industry.
> Notably, President Obama was a top recipient of campaign monies despite
> being in the Senate for only three years.****
>
> Still, this is just the tip of the iceberg. The documents currently being
> withheld by FHFA likely contain a treasure trove of information related to
> the inner workings of these two government-controlled agencies. That's why
> Judicial Watch is fighting so aggressively to get hold of them.****
>
> But just because the Obama administration thinks the details of the collapse
> of Fannie and Freddie are none of your business, that doesn't mean they're
> going to stop taking your money.****
>
> According to *The Washington
> Post<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>
> *:****
>
> Freddie Mac, the mortgage finance house, said Monday that it will ask for an
> additional $1.5 billion of taxpayer money to make up for losses stemming
> from weak housing markets.****
>
> The request falls on the heels of an announcement last week by Freddie Mac's
> sister organization, Fannie Mae, that it will need $5.1 billion to make up
> its shortfall. The two coincide with Standard & Poor's downgrade of the U.S.
> government's credit rating from AAA status to AA+, which has the potential
> to affect the institutions' lending and collecting abilities.****
>
> (*The Associated
> Press<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>
> * is also reporting that in an act of abject desperation the Obama
> administration plans to be the world's largest landlord: "The Obama
> administration may turn thousands of government-owned foreclosures into
> rental properties to help boost falling home prices. The Federal Housing
> Finance Agency said Wednesday it is seeking input from investors on how to
> rent homes owned by government-controlled mortgage companies Fannie Mae and
> Freddie Mac and the Federal Housing Administration.")****
>
> The story of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is the story of the entire bailout
> scheme. The government continues to "invest" trillions of taxpayer dollars
> to prop up failing private institutions with no end in sight. And the Obama
> administration continues to stonewall and obfuscate even as it asserts
> government control of 90% of the housing market.****
>
> I don't know about you but it seems that we're in the same sorry spot three
> years after the bailouts/government takeovers that "rescued" our economy.
> Our credit has been downgraded, the stock market is on a rollercoaster, our
> government continues its gangster ways in attempting to run the private
> sector, the government-controlled housing market continues to be a mess, and
> our banks stand on a precipice. Unless our nation reckons with the
> government corruption behind the ongoing financial crisis, I suspect our
> economy (and our republic) will continue to flounder.****
>
> That is why Judicial Watch has been in tireless pursuit of these records,
> and indeed any records, related to Fannie and Freddie and the bailouts. If
> you want to read more about our bailout investigations and lawsuits, please
> click here<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7800202&msgid=228901&act=7R...>
> .****
>
> Let me close with a note of praise to our investigative and legal teams. The
> legal and administrative shennanigans we face from this Obama administration
> (and, frankly, any administration) require patient, persistent, and smart
> litigators and investigators who are not put off by Big Government games and
> intensive court iitigation. And, of course, I am grateful for your support
> of Judicial Watch that provides our team with the resources necessary for
> our "David versus Golaith" battles with government lawyers and their
> well-funded allies on the Left.****
>
> Until next week…****
>
> ****
>
> Tom Fitton****
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Re: Who Schooled Whom?

I do have a qualm with Iran having anything remotely capable of
blowing up
millions of folks
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and what about Pakistan and Israel?
both of these countries are filled with anti-American scum, yet they
get your pass?

face it, Keith ... US intervention policies fail every time. In the
middle east, US policies are slanted toward Israel's best interests
though they have attacked and killed our servicemen, bribe and spy on
our government officials, and have a stranglehold on our politicians
and immigration laws.

choose sides carefully

On Aug 18, 9:39 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Based on the actions of Iran and its theological government, no, I don't at
> all feel comfortable with Iran having a nuclear weapon.
>
> Yep, "We", (the United States) are the big kids on the block. Despite
> this socialist Moonbat we have for a President, and the fact that the
> economy is just flat out tanking today, we still live in the most vibrant,
> (largest manufacturing country) creative, trend setting, free market
> economy State, and most free-est (is that a word?) Nation-State in the
> world. There are a lot of individuals collectively who are not amused by
> this, and hate us for what we are. Some are just downright envious.
> Nevertheless, we also have the largest arsenals of weaponry, and I for one
> have no qualm with that.
>
> I do have a qualm with Iran having anything remotely capable of blowing up
> millions of folks, and herein lies the distinction between you and I, Ron
> Paul supporters nad the rest of the Republican (and most of the Democrat)
> Party.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:27 AM, raymorphic <raymorp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "There is a distinction however, between "Intervention" and
> > "Isolation".
> > Dr. Paul espouses the latter..."
> > ----
>
> > And There is a distinction between "Interventionism", "Non-
> > Interventionism", and "Isolationism"
>
> > 1)
> > Ron Paul is "Non-Interventionism". He wants to trade with people, talk
> > to people, and be friends with people, but he does not want the U.S.
> > to tell how other countries should live their live.
>
> > Ron Paul Educates McCain
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q9WzCrLuC4
>
> > 2)
> > What's the rationale behind N. Non-Proliferation Treaty?
>
> > Irrational.
>
> > Legalization of big countries bullying smaller countries.
>
> > That's what it is.
>
> > "No one has answered – or until now, even asked – the obvious
> > question: Why is it that the United States can have a nuclear arsenal
> > far larger than that of every other country in the world combined, but
> > that Iran can't have even a single nuclear bomb – especially when
> > Israel, Pakistan, and India have nuclear weapons?"
> > Harry Browne--(2005)
>
> > 3)
> > Suppose Iran does have one, so what?
>
> > All its neighboring countries have one.
>
> > Do you think they can just drop one without paying a heavy price when
> > other countries retaliate?
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we all know why the MSM doesn't like Ron Paul

so many Americans just can't bring themselves to say or believe it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlhFZFrR8DQ&feature=player_embedded#!

and we know why they support Michelle Bachmann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0nN_hAiWY

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Re: Planned U.S.Day of Rage

Thanks for sharing this Bruce.

This is scary stuff, and I might be underestimating Jones, and the socialist-elitist/communist movement. They are dangerous, and no doubt, today, with the economy literally tanking, this could be exactly where the Obama Administration wants to take this Nation.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:

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Planned U.S.Day of Rage

From Hope and Change to Despair and Rage

By - Michelle Horstman

August 15, 2011

If there is any doubt that we are not right on target, as Obama has moved from the campaign's "Hope & Change" slogan to the actual blueprint of "Despair & Rage", let's take a look at where we are today. An important pre-change stage, according to Obama's inspiration, Saul Alinsky, appears to be where we are right now:

"Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution."

We are seeing this actively incubated in Van Jones' new movement, Rebuild the Dream. Oh, but this is much more than Van's idea, as we will see. His recently unveiled "Contract for the American Dream" has been analyzed by many online bloggers for the socialist, money spending free-for-all that it is, but let's take a closer look at its roots. Billed as a compilation "by the people", it reads like the Obama administration wish list.

His proposed solutions were written by the Campaign for America's Future and its related Institute for Policy Studies, as well as Green for All, Soros' Center for American Progress and others. Taking a look at just one of these, the Campaign for America's Future (CAF), we see the same radical, socialist networking once again:

Board Members: NAACP, United Steelworkers, MoveOn.org, AFL-CIO and others.

According to UndueInfluence.com:

Actual: Labor-dominated lobbying and electoral network heavily influenced by progressive plutocrats and secret donors working on anti-corporate, anti-military, welfare-state, and other "progressive" programs. Incubator for the Apollo Project. Documentation in Ron Arnold's "Freezing in the Dark."
Brief history: Although the Campaign for America's Future was registered by founder Robert Borosage in 1990, it did not receive its IRS exempt status until 1994 and did not formally launch until 1996.

.

The organization was solely Borosage's creation, even though Roger Hickey, formerly of the labor union think tank, the Economic Policy Institute, is credited as a co-founder.

Helped incubate the Apollo Alliance, now a project of Tides Center. Apollo's executive director, James Ringo, is paid by Institute for America's Future.

Funding: Donations include funds from SEIU, Rockefeller Family Foundation, Soros, Getty, MoveOn.org and more.

Organizers/Co-Founders:

Among the list of co-founders you'll find a who's who list of radicals, includingFrances Fox Piven andRichard Cloward, Joel Rogers, Andy Stern, Tom Hayden, Jesse Jackson and many, many more.

In other words, Van Jones' little grassroots plan, supposedly put together by ordinary citizens offering their ideas, appears in its final draft tohave been written by the usual radical progressive organizations andunions. The plan itself uses today's "crisis" mode to promote the same old progressive dreams, including more taxes, more spending, more government, more green jobs, more amnesty and more entitlements. Have these people heard a word the American people have said?

Among the many points in the contract, one in particular stands out because of its relationship to some big plans being made for this fall. That is the push to fight the Supreme Court decision on election finance, which they like to call "strengthening democracy." (Check link for their suggested action).

They say there is no such thing as a coincidence, and it appears to be true when you examine the main focus of the upcoming "US Day of Rage" planned for September 17, Constitution Day. It happens to focus on campaign finance reform.

We demand that integrity be restored to our elections.

One citizen. One dollar. One vote.

Only citizens should make campaign contributions.

Campaign contributions by citizens should not exceed $1 to any political candidate or party.

Constitution Day seems an odd choice for a group to want to refuse to abide by a Supreme Court decision that has gone through the constitutional process, as it should.

Obama was brutally blunt in his disgust about the decision as well. It seems they had found some great ways to work the campaign funding before this turn of events and they seem desperate to change it back before the next go-round, don't they? Soros promoted McCain Feingold for a reason andnone of them plan to give it up now, whether it is considered constitutional or not.

"When government seeks to use its full power, including the criminal law, to command where a person may get his or her information or what distrusted source he or she may not hear, it uses censorship to control thought," Justice Kennedy wrote. "This is unlawful. The First Amendment confirms the freedom to think for ourselves."

This is but one example of the push to get the Obama agenda (aka American Dream) through quickly, by any means necessary. Although billed as a nonviolent event, just the name "Day of Rage" betrays them. Romantic Poet's blog reveals much more on plans for the Day of Rage and this tidbit from their own site is also revealing:

#usdor is the official US Day of Rage hash tag on Twitter. It is a living documentation of grievances against the ills and abuses of the United States government.

That sounds…revolutionary? Alinsky trained his students for nothing short of revolution and the current "Despair & Rage" blueprint looks to be moving along right on schedule. Always remember his guiding philosophy and you will recognize the real agenda they disguise as a dream.

"You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments." (Alinsky 1972)

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Dick Thompson and Del "GrandDad" DFWTexas

Good Morning Members,

Many of you know and are familiar with Dick Thompson, who is an active member of Political Forum. Dick has been hospitalized in Queen's New York, and his condition doesn't sound good. He is currently on a ventilator to assist in his breathing.

Also, another member, Del "GranDad" DFWTexas, who has not been as active in the Group in quite some time, and was more of a "Lurker"; has also been hospitalized, and his prognosis is not good. Del suffers from lung cancer, and as I understand it, Hospice has been called in.

If and when I hear any more information, I will pass it on to the Group.

I would ask that all of you keep these two gentlemen and their families in your thoughts and prayers;

Respectfully,

KeithInTampa

Re: Red Tea Party Rising - Replay of 1930s Communist Party Popular Front

It will be interesting to see how much "traction" this re-release of the same old tired song and dance will get. With the economy tanking as badly as it is, at least all of the stupid people should flock to such a movement.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:

Can Van Jones Create a 'Left-Wing Tea Party'? Don't Bet on It
Posted By Ron Radosh On August 17, 2011 @ 6:23 pm In Uncategorized | 15 Comments

You remember Obama's departed Green czar, the once self-proclaimed revolutionary Communist Van Jones ^[1]? Well, the man is back. According to Michelle Goldberg, writing ^[2] in The Daily Beast, on July 23 Jones threw a Washington, D.C., party to announce the creation of what he predicts will be the left-wing's Tea Party, which he calls the "American Dream Movement." Goldberg writes:

Launched at a July 23 event in New York City that was part rally, party dance party, the American Dream Movement aims to restore the fight for economic justice to the center of progressive politics. On Aug. 9, the movement put out its crowd-sourced "Contract for the American Dream," a 10-point economic manifesto that called for new investments in education and infrastructure; higher taxes for corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy; and curbs on lobbyists. The next day, it was published as a full-page ad in The New York Times. Democratic Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Illinois will soon introduce the Emergency Jobs to Restore the American Dream Act, legislation based on the document.

Since I read the Times online, I did not see the full–page ad — one of the benefits of not reading the print edition. Actually, Jones' movement was first announced ^[3] last February at the Huffington Post — but somehow, the earlier announcement produced no traction. Nothing like a re-release to try again.

While Jones introduces it as a left version of the Tea Party, it is more accurately thought of as a 21^stcentury version of the Communist Party's Popular Front of the 1930s. After all, just as the CPUSA hid its Red politics and communist aims under the guise of "20^th century Americanism," Jones too hides his real aims in a similar fashion. Remember CP's wartime chief Earl Browder, who proclaimed the slogan "Communism is 20^th century Americanism," under photos of Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Karl Marx? The slogan lasted until old Joe Stalin took offense at the audacity of undermining loyalty to the Soviet Union, and ordered that the slogan be ditched overnight.

Jones, as we may recall, in a now famous 2005 newspaper interview ^[4] said that "I'm willing to forgo the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends." No longer announcing that he is a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist, Jones is proceeding to try and build social movements along the classic lines of the old communist movement of the 1930s and 40s that he once sought to openly emulate.

With his new movement, Jones hopes not to have to depend for cadre on a small group of East Bay radicals in San Francisco, but to create a movement from above that appears to be like the actual Tea Party, a movement that started from below. It's a classic CP strategy. As the Old Left sees the New Deal era, FDR was pushed to the Left by a powerful social movement composed of the working class that was organizing the CIO — the industry-wide new trade union movement. That pressure from below supposedly forced Roosevelt to turn to more left-wing programs, hence the slew of legislation that became the hallmark of the Second New Deal after 1935.

Hence Jones' belief is that with his American Dream Movement, a groundswell of protest will emerge that will both keep Barack Obama in the White House and at the same time force him to do what the Left so far has not been able to accomplish: openly force him to espouse and to gather momentum for new widespread government spending, all based on increasing the U.S. deficit through Keynesian spending mechanisms.

Of course, in the 1930s there was an actual social movement that was based in reality and enabled labor to eventually reject radicalism and move into the middle class. Big industry welcomed the stability it got through contractual arrangements with big labor, and easily made peace with the unions — until recent times, when the deals they made came crashing apart under the strain of the collapsed New Deal model of a modern economy.

Now, there is no viable real left-wing movement, except it lives in the dream world of people like Van Jones. As Jones explained it, "The job of leading an independent movement to bring out the best in our country is not the same job as being head of state. I'm glad [Obama] is there, and I will do everything in my power to make sure he stays head of state until they have to pull him out of there. I might block the driveway at the end of 2016. But the job of creating an independent movement that brings out the best in the American people, that's our job."

Jones, since he is an old hand of the Left, must realize that an "independent movement" cannot be created by an announcement, by funding from the likes of a George Soros fund for left-wing activity, or by throwing a dance party in Washington, D.C. It has to have some basis in the real world, not just in the minds of leftists. Of course he has deluded followers like Michelle Goldberg, who seems to actually believe that Jones' "careful study of American political movements" led him to create this one new organization that will succeed because it is the "distillation of what he has learned."

It sounds pretty old fashioned to this writer. Its umbrella front will be called "Rebuilding the Dream," and its work will be carried on through the extreme left's favorite group, MoveOn.Org. How this will lead to success is something Ms.Goldberg cannot explain. Indeed, reveals a bit of desperation for Van Jones, who otherwise would avoid a group like MoveOn.org like the plague. Indeed, MoveOn's director proclaims that the new Jones group will be "the Tea Party Express." Goldberg goes on to give what is in fact a rather pathetic example of this. She cite 1500 people gathering at Montana's state capitol to protest local budget cuts!

What is unique about Jones' effort — as sure to fail as his earlier attempts to create a movement — is his adoption of a patriotic theme — again, taken directly from the old communist movement playbook. As one of his supporters, Rep. Keith Ellison, says, "I'm so glad that he has clearly recognized that we as progressives cannot concede patriotic themes to the right wing. Why would we ever do that? Everything we love about this country — the right to vote, equality before the law, the right to organize—these things were won by patriotic Americans." Members of the Tea Party, he says, "wrap themselves in the flag, but they're not upholding core American values. We are."

Last February, when he first announced the new movement and no one took notice, Jones said: "We will prevail because — in truth — we are not in a right-wing period of American history, nor are we in a left-wing period. We are simply in a volatile period." But of course, his claim that his movement is capturing the non-partisan "moral center" is fraudulent. Jones' movement — or attempt at one — is a far left operation, as can be seen by the demands he raises and the context in which he puts these demands.

So Jones then said, "Let Saturday, February 26, 2011, mark the beginning of the national movement ^[5] to renew the American Dream and return us to the moral center — where everybody counts, and everybody matters." Feb. 26^th passed, and nothing happened. Now, the date has suddenly changed first to July 23^rd and now to August 15^th. Whatever the date, we can be sure that Van Jones will fail once again, and perhaps next year George Soros will give him more money to announce yet a new organization and a new starting date. After all, the man has got to do something to earn his pay.

So I end with the image Jones gives to Michelle Goldberg. He tells her that when Obama leaves the White House in 2016, he might have to "block the driveway" to prevent him from leaving. That date, of course, assumes Obama will have two terms in office. So, I look forward deeply to 2013, when the new Republican president takes office, and to watching the capitol police haul Jones off the White House roadway.

That result won't take a movement — only the electoral activity of the American people, who show by their ballot that they are fed up with Barack Obama.

Article printed from Ron Radosh: http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh

URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2011/08/17/van-jones-left-wing-tea-party/

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[1] Van Jones: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2406

[2] writing : http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/15/tea-party-s-liberal-counterpart-van-jones-new-progressive-movement.html

[3] first announced: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/american-dream-movement_b_826477.html

[4] a now famous 2005 newspaper interview: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/gyrobase/the-new-face-of-environmentalism/Content?oid=1079539&showFullText=true

[5] mark the beginning of the national movement: http://pol.moveon.org/callforaction

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