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ICE Says It's Caught-and-Released 506,232 Illegal Aliens Who Are Now Fugitives--More Than Entire Population of Sacramento, Calif.

Scotty Starnes | September 8, 2010 at 12:24 PM | Tags: criminals, Fugitive illegal immigrants, ICE, illegal immigrants, Illegal immigration, Immigration and Custom Enforcement | Categories: Uncategorized | URL: http://wp.me/pvnFC-2yM

No wonder ICE and Border Patrol Agents gave their leaders a vote of no confidence. Obama, his Department of Justice and the Democratic Party want amnesty for illegal immigrants because everyone with common sense is running from their ideologies.

CNS News reports:

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) says that as of Sunday, Sept. 5, it had caught-and-released 506,232 illegal aliens who are now fugitives. That is more than the population of Sacramento, California, which currently numbers 486,189.

Fugitive illegal aliens are individuals who were apprehended ICE for being in the United States illegally and then were released ahead of their court proceedings and deemed fugitive when they failed to appear in court.

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Burning the Quran: Clinton slams Florida pastor Terry Jones for 'disgraceful' plans

Burning the Quran is like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Afghanistan and Iraq are the theaters crowded with American soldiers. Pastor Terry Jones is waiting for a "clear message from God" to call off this book burning on Saturday 9-11. Lets hope God speaks up, or that Pastor Jones thinks he did. -T

Clinton slams Florida pastor for 'disgraceful' plans

By the CNN Wire Staff

September 8, 2010 12:23 p.m. EDT

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she thinks we "have a real shot" at successful Middle East peace talks.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Hillary Clinton speaks before Council on Foreign Relations
Clinton slams Bush's fiscal record, saying irresponsibility harms U.S. security
She urges Senate passage of the START nuclear arms reduction treaty
Clinton says sanctions against Iran are starting to take hold

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Washington (CNN) -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a foreign policy talk to weigh in on hot-button political issues Wednesday, slamming a Florida pastor for his "disgraceful" plan to burn the Quran and strongly criticizing George W. Bush's fiscal record.

Clinton warned about the long-term consequences of rising federal budget deficits, arguing that they will eventually diminish U.S. power and impair America's ability to act effectively in the global arena.

Her remarks came during an appearance before the nonpartisan Council on Foreign Relations.

Clinton noted that Terry Jones, the Florida pastor, is the head of a small congregation and said she wished that his plans to burn the Quran on the anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks hadn't attracted so much media attention. But sadly, "that's the world we live in right now," she said.

Jones' plans could harm U.S. troops, she asserted, echoing a recent warning from Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan.

The pastor's plan doesn't represent broader American views on Islam, Clinton declared. "It's not who we are," she said.

Clinton also slammed Jones' plans on Tuesday night at a State Department dinner in honor of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

Jones has rebuffed pleas to call off the event, saying that radical Islamists are the target of his message.

On fiscal matters, Clinton had harsh words for Bush. Cutting taxes while fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without paying for them was a "deadly combination" in terms of "fiscal sanity," she said.

"Responsible" authorities on fiscal matters "are not being heard right now," she warned. "There is no free lunch, and we can't pretend that there is ... without doing great harm" to the country.

Republicans have tried to turn the tables on Democrats in recent months on the issue of fiscal responsibility, arguing that the administration's fiscal stimulus plans have significantly added to the national debt while failing to effectively restore economic growth.

Clinton also expressed frustration with the treatment of sensitive foreign policy issues in domestic politics, urging a partisan "détente" that cuts "across the partisan divide."

Among other things, she cited the START nuclear arms reduction treaty, which is slated to be taken up by the Senate in September but faces significant opposition among key Republicans.

The treaty has become a "political issue," she said, but "I wish it weren't." The accord is seen in Europe as an important symbol of America's commitment to work with Russia, she said.

Turning to the Middle East, Clinton said she thinks we "have a real shot" at a successful conclusion to the new Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

On efforts to block Iran's nuclear program, Clinton said the United States believes Tehran "is beginning to feel the full impact" of recently imposed sanctions.

"International financial and commercial sectors are ... starting to recognize the risks of doing business with Iran," she told the Council on Foreign Relations.

Sanctions "are the building blocks of leverage for a negotiated solution," she said. "We will see how Iran decides."

The United States has repeatedly lobbied other nations to step up sanctions against Iran. The European Union, Canada, Japan and South Korea are among those that have done so.

Iran, however, is continuing its uranium enrichment activities in defiance of U.N. Security Council resolutions, according to a report released Monday by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Iran has rebuffed international demands to halt its uranium enrichment program, saying it wants the nuclear fuel for peaceful uses. IAEA officials, however, have not been convinced.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/08/clinton.foreign.policy/

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Re: Nat Hentoff on the Ground Zero Mosque

In the case of the Greek Orthodox church, it would replace one that
was destroyed by 9/11 and that had been on that site for generations.
They should be entitled to rebuild there but the District Board won't
give approval for some reason. Can you say the same for this mosque?

As to the financial hurdles, the mosque was supposed to actually be in
position to own the building site in order to get approval. They
implied that the did at the hearing but in fact they do not and are way
behind in getting contributions that would enable them to purchase the
site. They do not have the money. The imam is being sent all over the
Islamic world by our State Dept. While he is there on our dime he is
not to do fund raising and yet he has done precisely that which is illegal.

Good reasons all to stop the mosque IMNSHO. YMMV but then you are
trying to hide your support for the mosque. Kinda like all the
"independents" who comment on political websites who claim they have not
made up their minds but then you find that in over 40 years of voting
they have never voted for a Republican even when they admitted the
Republican was the better candidate.

On 09/07/2010 10:30 AM, nominal9 wrote:
> I don't have any personal truck or baggage with the Mosque issue,
> either for or against it. Can you say the same?
> It seems to me that, so far, those trying to build it have met all
> legal hurdles, whether they meet all of the financial or whatever
> other "ordinary" hurdles that remain is for them to accomplish, if
> they can.
> I went back and read the Nat Hentoff article from Jewish World
> Review. I hope we can at least agree that "they" are "extraordinarily"
> against giving the Mosque and its builders a fair and equal
> opportunity at accomplishing their goal... You tell me, Dick
> Thompson... why (for what reasons) do you say that Nat Hentoff and
> Jewish World Review write or state that they are aginst the Mosque....
> or, to put a finer point on it.....Why would you apparently prefer a
> Greek Orthodox Church to a Mosque, there?
>
> nominal9
>
> On Sep 4, 5:31 pm, dick thompson<rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I fail to see why you are so involved in the Mosque question.
>> Given what you claim then you should first of all be striving to get
>> permission for the Greek Orthodox church in that area to be rebuilt
>> first since it was in existence for several generations in that location
>> until destroyed by the Muslims and 9/11. Apparently that means nothing
>> to you. Neither does the fact that the people trying to build the
>> mosque do not have funding nor do they, as they are legally required to
>> do, have ownership and likelihood of ownership of the site they are
>> trying to develop. You do not seem to pay any attention to what the
>> Imam has said in the past about Al Qaeda and the US and who to
>> support. You hear nothing from them about stopping the terrorist
>> behavior of the extreme muslims. For that matter you don't hear much
>> from ANY muslims about stopping the terrorists. You, nominal9, don't
>> seem to think this is something that shold be pursued. Instead you try
>> to come up with some kitschy takeoff on your betters by far and then pat
>> yourself on the back for being original.
>>
>> On 09/03/2010 01:21 PM, nominal9 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I think you are wrong, dick thompson, but it will take time to try to
>>> explain it to you... if you are willing to hear it or credit it at all
>>> from your end, that is.... which must be taken into consideration, as
>>> well...
>>> Anti-semitic? some have called me that..... I happen to think that
>>> every race or ethnicity (or whatever) is prone to its own number of
>>> racist individuals..... I DO NOT EXCLUDE some Jews from the ranks of
>>> the racists....I call the particular Racist Jews among the overall
>>> group or number of Jews in general..... ZIONIST RACIST JEWS....
>>> Many years ago, now I died a parody of the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance
>>> to the Flag... I called it the Rush Lmbaugh Pledge of Allegiance...
>>> here's how it goes:
>>> " pledge allegiange to the Star of David of the Zionist State of
>>> Israel
>>> and to the Racist Oligarchy for which it stands
>>> One Kingdom under the ineffable Yahweh
>>> Exlusive, with criminal license and prejudgment in favor just of
>>> Jews."
>>>
>>
>>> When some hear this.... they wail... anti-Semite.... but hey, I say
>>> (and am) just the opposite... I am anti-Racist....
>>> Nice to meet you Dick Thompson
>>> nominal9
>>>
>>
>>> PS... this is really old ground for me, that I get weary of having to
>>> re-tread sometimes......but I just want to lay my cards on the table
>>> for you, in the hopes of getting beyond all the usual buggaboos and
>>> the rhetorical as well as the propaganda feints and tricks....
>>>
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 1:25 pm, dick thompson<rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> As usual you are reading the point wrong. Nobody is saying that MSNBC
>>>> doing it is justified by your claim that Hentoff is doing it. The
>>>> point is that something is either wrong in its entirety or not wrong in
>>>> its entirety when it comes to these points. You want to selectively
>>>> call dibs on Hentoff and then call anyone who does not believe as you do
>>>> funny names and think you are beng witty. fAIL!! If something is
>>>> wrong, point out where it is wrong and then point out also that it is
>>>> wrong for others to do the same thing. That is what you are missing.
>>>> YOu are against Hentoff and Jewish World Review and the reason is they
>>>> don't believe as you do and therefore you have a name for them - and
>>>> chances are it would be an antisemitic name. And no, I am not Jewish.
>>>>
>>
>>>> On 09/02/2010 12:57 PM, nominal9 wrote:> Ohh.... It made perfect sense......Annointed one......
>>>>
>>
>>>>> The trouble with"comparisons"... or similes... or metaphors is that
>>>>> "one" should always be careful to "weigh " the terms of the proposed
>>>>> comparison.... make sure that they actually do equal up......
>>>>> Now, between Nat Heltoff and the Jewihh World review on the one side
>>>>> of the scale as counterbalanced by MSNBC on the other.... frankly. I
>>>>> would say that Nat and the Jewish World Review have a heavier
>>>>> comparative load of bias or prejudice, especially on Middle East
>>>>> issues.... Perhaps a more equal comparison would be Fox News as
>>>>> weighed against MSNBC, there the load or bias or prejudice would
>>>>> probably be a little more balancing "left vs right" on both sides...
>>>>> but the Middle East issue is a little funny..... it doesn't track
>>>>> along strict political lines.....
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Anyway.... let's get back to my own metaphorical .... "Jimmy can do it
>>>>> but why can't I" ...rhetorical defense that I charge was adopted by
>>>>> Dick Thompson. First, it is more a charge of "rhetorical device" used
>>>>> than of a strict metaphor, in this instance, I think. The Mommy
>>>>> implied reply is, "I don't care what Jimmy does.... it is wrong for
>>>>> Jimmy to do it as well and Jimmy just doesn't have very good parents
>>>>> that care enough for him or correct him"......
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> The trouble with "metaphorical or even this sort of "whiny ... they do
>>>>> it, too... defense is that the underlying problem is that something
>>>>> that is "wrong" is justified by at best another "wrong"....
>>>>> but what do I know.....
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> :"Annointed One" Eh.... sounds like a Sean Hannity follower.....
>>>>> Man... you should hear some of my old gags against Sean... especially
>>>>> my "nick-name" for him.....
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> nominal9
>>>>> On Aug 31, 12:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Nominal9,
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Even in context your post made little sense. could you try to be a
>>>>>> little more literate ?? Mr. Thompson made a comparison NOT a defense.
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 10:29 am, nominal9<nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> What's that... your ......"Mommy.... Jimmy can do it so why can't
>>>>>>> I?".... defense?
>>>>>>> nominal9
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 30, 3:41 pm, dick thompson<rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> As opposed to The Nation or MSNBC or the NYT or WaPo? Definitely not
>>>>>>>> more biased than these other medias are. They wrote the book on bias
>>>>>>>> along with CBS.
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/30/2010 03:20 PM, nominal9 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Every weekday JewishWorldReview.com publishes what many in the media
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Washington consider "must-reading". Sign up for the daily JWR update.
>>>>>>>>> It's free. Just click here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Nat Hentoff is a nationally renowned authority on the First Amendment
>>>>>>>>> and the Bill of Rights and author of several books, including his
>>>>>>>>> current work, "The War on the Bill of Rights and the Gathering
>>>>>>>>> Resistance". Comment by clicking here. / article
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Sad to say... as a "nationally renowned authority on the First
>>>>>>>>> Amendment"... Nat Hentoff has become more than a dissappointment in
>>>>>>>>> his support of "freedom of speech" in his older age... he has become
>>>>>>>>> nearly the contrary to an advocate for it... Nat has become a turncoat
>>>>>>>>> and a proponent of "censorship" as a needed "exception" to "freedom of
>>>>>>>>> speech" in many cases... especially in cases that criticize aspects of
>>>>>>>>> Zionist Racism in Israel....
>>>>>>>>> As for the publication, Jewish World Review.... enough said.... don't
>>>>>>>>> you think that there may well be some slight bias or "slant" in their
>>>>>>>>> opinions on this matter?
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 29, 4:00 am, dick thompson<rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nat Hentoff is well known for being a staunch supporter of the US
>>>>>>>>>> Constitution and especially the first amendment rights. He really tells
>>>>>>>>>> it like it is here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Home
>>>>>>>>>> In this issue
>>>>>>>>>> August 27, 2010
>>>>>>>>>> David Hazony: The Mystery of Goodness
>>>>>>>>>> Caroline B. Glick: Accepting the unacceptable
>>>>>>>>>> August 26, 2010
>>>>>>>>>> John Rosemond: Fixing Son's Shyness
>>>>>>>>>> George Will: The Mideast mirage
>>>>>>>>>> Paul Greenberg: Rare Sighting: Common Sense from the Bench
>>>>>>>>>> August 25, 2010
>>>>>>>>>> Ariella Marcus: New prayer book uplifts as it enlightens
>>>>>>>>>> Nat Hentoff: Am I also a bigot? Pols clueless on Ground Zero mosque
>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Tully: Muslim employee is taken off Disney's schedule after
>>>>>>>>>> deciding she no longer wants to wear uniform
>>>>>>>>>> August 24, 2010
>>>>>>>>>> Steven Emerson: A 'moderate Muslim' exposed
>>>>>>>>>> Cal Thomas: Pointless Talks
>>>>>>>>>> Wesley Pruden: The 'Zionist plot' to build a mosque
>>>>>>>>>> August 23, 2010
>>>>>>>>>> The Jewish Ethicist by Rabbi Dr. Asher Meir : Reclaiming what's yours
>>>>>>>>>> through deception
>>>>>>>>>> George Will: The 'two-state' delusion
>>>>>>>>>> August 20, 2010
>>>>>>>>>> Rabbi Dov Fischer on his divorce and responsibility
>>>>>>>>>> Caroline B. Glick: Dusk in Iraq
>>>>>>>>>> August 19, 2010
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Jacoby: The 'disengagement' disaster, five years on
>>>>>>>>>> George Will: Skip the lectures on Israel's 'risks for peace'
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Flegenheimer: Hypercompetitive overachievers bet on their own
>>>>>>>>>> academic success
>>>>>>>>>> August 18, 2010
>>>>>>>>>> Suzanne Fields: The New Dance on a Pinhead
>>>>>>>>>> Richard Z. Chesnoff: A Film Unfinished: The Warsaw Ghetto As Seen
>>>>>>>>>> Through Nazi Eyes
>>>>>>>>>> Lee Margulies: Dr. Laura to leave radio show amid controversy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> (INCLUDES VIDEO)
>>>>>>>>>> August 17, 2010
>>>>>>>>>> Dennis Prager: Same-Sex Marriage and the Insignificance of Men and Women
>>>>>>>>>> Caroline B. Glick: Standing on a landmine
>>>>>>>>>> Frank J. Gaffney, Jr.: Obama's 'Teachable' Shariah Moment
>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: No...'burn-a-Quran' protest on 9/11....says Petraeus

I agree. There was nothing but acceptance by the media of the freedom of expression in the so called "art" depicting the virgin mary with feces all over her. I guess we will all see again just how peaceful islam is after Saturday.
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Subject: Re: No...'burn-a-Quran' protest on 9/11....says Petraeus

I really don't get the media hype.....It is almost as if we are scared to allow this man his First Amendment right, (however misguided he may be) because of the fear of reprisal from Islam.

I don't think I have ever seen such a reaction in this Nation. We have seen "burnings" before....I cannot recall a "Bible Burning"; but we have clearly seen protests against Christian Churches and Denominations. I never recall such an outcry.

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:19 AM, nominal9 <nominal9@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/09/florida-pastor-still-plans-a-burn-a-quran-protest-on-911-despite-warnings-by-petraeus/1

The pastor of a Florida church says he takes very seriously Gen. David
Petraeus' warning that his church's burn-a-Quran day on 9/11 could
endanger U.S. troops and that his congregation is praying about it,
but he still plans to go through with the protest.

Afghans wave banners saying
CAPTIONBy Musadeq Sadeq, AP"We are definitely weighing the situation,"
Terry Jones, pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville,
Fla., tells CNN today. "We are weighing the thing we are about to do,
what it possibily could cause, what is our actual message, what we are
trying to get across. How important is that now."

Petraeus, top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, said in a
statement Monday that the actions by the 50-member church "could
endanger troops, and it could endanger the overall effort."

But Jones says the protest aimed at radical Islam is still on. "Once
in awhile, you see that in the Bible, there are instances where enough
is enough and you stand up," Jones tells CNN.

Our colleagues at Faith & Reason have details on an interfaith summit
of Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders that plans to issue a joint
declaration later today.

Gainesville police plan to set up a checkpoint at streets around the
church on Saturday to check driver's licenses and maintain a
heightened police presence, The Gainesville Sun reports. The three-
hour protest is scheduled for 6 p.m. ET.

This comes a day after someone in Gainesville scrawled the word
"Nazis" on a sign erected near an Islamic center announcing
"International Burn A Koran Day," The Sun reports.

The newspaper says a man has turned himself in for the act, but police
are trying to contact the owner of the property before pressing
charges.

At a protest Monday in Kabul, several hundred Afghans rallied outside
a Kabul mosque, burning American flags and an effigy of Dove World's
pastor and chanting "death to America."

**************
Personally, on Fee Speech grounds I can see it.
It is one segment of the U.S. Christian population's right.....just
like it is one segment of the Muslim Afghans (or others) population's
right to counter-protest.
Then you get to the political question.... support or endanger U.S.
troops... well, says who? and will that really happen? Always the
individual person's choice, I would say...... I'm not doing this....
nominal9

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Re: No...'burn-a-Quran' protest on 9/11....says Petraeus

I really don't get the media hype.....It is almost as if we are scared to allow this man his First Amendment right, (however misguided he may be) because of the fear of reprisal from Islam.

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:19 AM, nominal9 <nominal9@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/09/florida-pastor-still-plans-a-burn-a-quran-protest-on-911-despite-warnings-by-petraeus/1

The pastor of a Florida church says he takes very seriously Gen. David
Petraeus' warning that his church's burn-a-Quran day on 9/11 could
endanger U.S. troops and that his congregation is praying about it,
but he still plans to go through with the protest.

Afghans wave banners saying
CAPTIONBy Musadeq Sadeq, AP"We are definitely weighing the situation,"
Terry Jones, pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville,
Fla., tells CNN today. "We are weighing the thing we are about to do,
what it possibily could cause, what is our actual message, what we are
trying to get across. How important is that now."

Petraeus, top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, said in a
statement Monday that the actions by the 50-member church "could
endanger troops, and it could endanger the overall effort."

But Jones says the protest aimed at radical Islam is still on. "Once
in awhile, you see that in the Bible, there are instances where enough
is enough and you stand up," Jones tells CNN.

Our colleagues at Faith & Reason have details on an interfaith summit
of Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders that plans to issue a joint
declaration later today.

Gainesville police plan to set up a checkpoint at streets around the
church on Saturday to check driver's licenses and maintain a
heightened police presence, The Gainesville Sun reports. The three-
hour protest is scheduled for 6 p.m. ET.

This comes a day after someone in Gainesville scrawled the word
"Nazis" on a sign erected near an Islamic center announcing
"International Burn A Koran Day," The Sun reports.

The newspaper says a man has turned himself in for the act, but police
are trying to contact the owner of the property before pressing
charges.

At a protest Monday in Kabul, several hundred Afghans rallied outside
a Kabul mosque, burning American flags and an effigy of Dove World's
pastor and chanting "death to America."

**************
Personally, on Fee Speech grounds I can see it.
It is one segment of the U.S. Christian population's right.....just
like it is one segment of the Muslim Afghans (or others) population's
right to counter-protest.
Then you get to the political question.... support or endanger U.S.
troops... well, says who? and will that really happen? Always the
individual person's choice, I would say...... I'm not doing this....
nominal9

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Re: IMPORTANT....MUST WATCH ... Most Unbelievable Thing You Will Ever Watch

Was there a link or something that we were supposed to tune into here???

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:39 AM, John Piraino <poppy32174@hotmail.com> wrote:

IMPORTANT....MUST WATCH ... Most Unbelievable Thing You Will Ever Watch

This is REALLY frightening.
It's coming & there's probably nothing we
can do about it, short of praying !!!!
May the Lord have mercy on our grandkids...

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Show your support to stop them!

The "Dove World Outreach Center" is planning to hold an event to burn the Quran at their church, which is an insult to those people who follow Islam and who read this sacred book.

There are many Christians that have also spoken out against this act and believe its not what they are taught and have shown their support through organizations like us.

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Re: The Persistence of Red-State Fascism

Geez, there is so much misinformation,spin, and out of context smear written in "MJ's" preface as well as Anthony Gregory's diatribe, one has to wonder if they were here in the United States during the 1980s, 1990s and even the New Milennium, or whether they were smoking the crack rock for the last thirty years.

One word, four syllables: "Moonbattery".....

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:24 AM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

"Then we had the Bush years. The conservative movement became almost completely enthralled with the very worst of what government is capable of: mass murder. The American right began to take on the character of a truly totalitarian movement. Calls for deporting dissenters, shutting down the press, nuking tens of millions of people, banning Islam and other such despotic proposals were heard all over talk radio. At the height of Bush's power and prestige, it almost looked like liberty was doomed in America, thanks primarily to the same crowd that gave us Reagan, the Contract with America and the defeat of Al Gore."

The Persistence of Red-State Fascism
by Anthony Gregory

It is natural for libertarians to identify more with the side out of power. In a democratic system, those not wielding government force are, categorically, less guilty of crimes against individual liberty. Their rhetoric tends to be much better. An appeal to constitutionalism, founding principles or balanced budgets is much more often heard from those not at the reins of the state. It is music to libertarians' ears, even when we know the song was ripped off and is being lip-synced.

The pattern has been this way for a long time. Under Clinton, the right condemned federal welfare, police abuses, internationalism in foreign policy, and almost all erosions of the constitutional limits on the central state. The 1990s right flirted with revisionist history and a radical rethinking of the post-New Deal government, helping libertarians to find at least some common ground. The Kosovo War, in particular, demonstrated that the leftist attachment to peace was an illusion and that perhaps as much headway could be made on war issues in conservative circles as could be made anywhere.

Then we had the Bush years. The conservative movement became almost completely enthralled with the very worst of what government is capable of: mass murder. The American right began to take on the character of a truly totalitarian movement. Calls for deporting dissenters, shutting down the press, nuking tens of millions of people, banning Islam and other such despotic proposals were heard all over talk radio. At the height of Bush's power and prestige, it almost looked like liberty was doomed in America, thanks primarily to the same crowd that gave us Reagan, the Contract with America and the defeat of Al Gore. Lew Rockwell's "The Reality of Red-State Fascism," as well as many other works by him and by others on this site and elsewhere, perfectly summed up the problem of the time.

Things have swung back somewhat. Conservatives now talk about the Founding Fathers again. They have put up a noble resistance to Obamacare, Cap and Trade and the rest of the administration's truly terrible domestic schemes. Unfortunately, they fail to go all the way in condemning domestic socialism, but it is a start. Conservatives have even taken an interest in nullification and other radical doctrines of classical liberalism. At times, it seems like they are all that is standing between our imperfect state of freedom and the total socialization of America. Rightwingers are even becoming skeptical of "nation-building" in Afghanistan. Ann Coulter of all people has become a qualified dove, all the while Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and the other leaders of progressivism have become fixated on demonizing the tea parties, hysterically prophesizing the rise of racist militias, and championing the national security state.

But, tragically, the rightwing is still locked into its post-9/11 mentality – which is to say its Cold War stance or even its classical attachment to the ancien régime. It is as Hobbesian as ever. It is dedicated to domestic freedom in theory but with more than a huge blind spot on questions of social order and especially national security. While today's conservatives are in substantial areas better than the managerial progressives on the left, they are hardly a welcome alternative overall. Every indication suggests that when they regain power, they will be even worse than they were under Bush.

Not infrequently in Obama's America, the conservative movement seems so on point, so focused on battling the federal government at home, so close to adopting Jeffersonianism or even Misesian radicalism, that we who love liberty are almost tempted to root for them and not just against our common enemy, the statist progressive left. But then, like clockwork, practically the entire rightwing is whipped back into a frenzy of bloodthirstiness, intolerance, and belligerent nationalist collectivism. Whether it's illegal immigrants or Muslims, such scapegoats serve to distract conservatives from their supposed goal of shrinking the state. And the distraction is not a minor matter – it speaks directly to what modern conservatism is still all about.

Consider the "Ground Zero Mosque" issue. The idea of religious tolerance should be sacred in America. If there is any reason to be patriotically proud of America's legacy of freedom, religious freedom is at the top of the list. We were all taught as children how great America was in this regard. And, unlike some other examples of American exceptionalist propaganda, there is actually truth to this. We have no religious wars within our borders. We have no official state religion, thank God. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, atheists, Buddhists and others get along in nearly perfect harmony. This is the crown jewel of American liberty.

The rightwing, however, considers it "politically correct" or even "treasonous" to defend the right of Muslims to pray on their own private property. The explosion of hysteria over the Islamic Community Center in Manhattan was not, as some would have it, an example of political trivia taking over the national debate – it was rather an important national debate over a very fundamental issue on which Americans should by now be mostly united, but instead the rightwing clearly took the wrong side, showing their craven willingness to reject private property rights and the foundation of civilization simply to express their love of the U.S. government and their hatred of Islam.

Consider the very common conservative mentality here. The site of blowback in retaliation of U.S. war crimes – Ground Zero – has become "hallowed ground." To allow Muslims to build a mosque on their own property nearby would be a "victory" for "Islamofascism." This pits the American government against all Muslims in a religious war, where the U.S. is sacred and even Muslim Americans are denied the most basic of American freedoms.

Last weekend, Glenn Beck had half a million folks, many of them very well intentioned and understandably angry about the direction of our country, convene at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King's famous speech. While I expected a mix of good and bad messages – Beck still has a love of the military state, but is also the highest-profile media personality to attack Woodrow Wilson regularly, which I consider a major point in his favor – what I saw was something else entirely. It was a religious revival, with ecumenical theism as the unifying principle. So long as you believed in God (or, as one speaker seemed to repeatedly put it, "gods") you would be welcome in the Beck extended family, regardless of your denomination.

But there was more to it than that. You must, above all else, accept the core elements of America's secular civic religion. The Pilgrims and Native Americans were God's "chosen people," as Beck said. The U.S. government, forcibly united under Lincoln, represents the hand of God on earth. The Civil Rights movement was also a holy, blessed and distinctly American endeavor. The whole event was a pseudo-religious mass prayer to the alleged U.S. values of egalitarianism, militarism, and soft theocracy. Everything good about America – which was tied inextricably to the federal government, its military wing and unifying power over the states and people – has God's signature right on it. Sarah Palin's speech was particularly awful, as she spoke of the righteous destiny of women since ancient times to see their children grow up and die for the holy state.

This is frightening stuff – the stuff of a theocratic national socialism, when taken to its extreme. This is not to say most of Beck's fans are Nazis, or anything like that. But there is something at the core of modern conservatism that still contains the seed of the most wretched political horrors you can imagine. And we could reasonably worry that we have yet to see the worst from this bunch. In fact, Bush perhaps moderated some of the right's worst impulses, in particular the explicit Islamophobia. With Obama as president, the right is looking for a political savior even more unambiguously hateful than the Bush regime. The culture war, too, has again reared its ugly head, with conservatives predictably neglecting the obvious solution of opposing state encroachments on their own families and cultural values, and instead politicizing everything and depending on government as the final moral arbiter in society.

The religious devotion to the military and nation-state – whether wrapped up in Christianity or secularism – explains why some people can never be trusted on the question of war. When Ann Coulter expresses skepticism toward Afghanistan, it is the function of a watered-down and vulgar America First sentiment. But America First is only a bulwark for peace when it's radical, consistent and coupled with a concern for the dignity and humanity of foreign victims of the regime. If the only reason to oppose war is it's a waste of American blood and money, there will be no stopping the next Republican president from unleashing even more death and destruction than did Bush, so long as it can be excused in the name of "national security." For Americans to embrace peace, they must accept the notion that foreigners have all the natural rights Americans do, and dropping bombs on them while they sit peacefully in their homes and neighborhoods is every bit as barbaric, monstrous and murderous as 9/11 or any other terrorist act. Most left-liberals are too poisoned by nationalism and love of government to fully admit this. But conservatives, in particular, are generally incapable of even wrapping their heads around the notion.

And so it is that half of the rightwing critique of Obama is completely off-base. The president is "handcuffing the military" or "dithering" on the war. He is cutting Pentagon spending (a total lie). He is neglecting Afghanistan, when in fact he is much, much more belligerent there than Bush was. He is a secret Muslim who doesn't really believe in U.S. wars. He is a product of the anti-American pacifist left. He is dedicated to destroying Wall Street. He is anti-police. He has weakened Bush's war on terror. He is "soft" on suspected terrorists. Much of what the right says about Obama makes him sound infinitely better than he actually is. It was the same way under Bush, but to a much lesser degree. The left did critique Bush disingenuously, talking about how he was slashing the public sector, which was not true in the slightest. But more of what the left said about Bush was valid, than what the right seems to be saying about Obama.

The right's criticisms of Obama's foreign policy are especially dangerous, as they help foster a rapid expansion of militarism. Just as under the Cold War, when out-of-power conservatives did little to curtail the welfare state, all the while encouraging Democrats to send ever more troops into combat, we cannot expect much to improve with conservatives taking their current hypocritical and incoherent stance.

So here we are, stuck between two alternatives that are as bad as ever. The left is now more devoted to destroying private property and individual liberty than it has been in decades. The right is only somewhat less egregious, due to circumstance, than it was under Bush.

The answer, as usual, is to be found in libertarianism. Those who reject all statism and uphold the individual rights of all persons everywhere by virtue of their humanity can show us the way out of the darkness, the economic stagnation, the endless war. The libertarian movement is much bigger than ever and is constantly gaining adherents from both left and right. There are many on the tea party right who can be reached, but they must abandon conservatism to become reliable opponents of the regime. So long as they retain the baggage of nationalism – perhaps the worst of all forms of tribalism and collectivism – and cling to their reactionary culture war, they will continue to be unreliable allies at best, losing sight of the state that enslaves us all, or worse, petitioning it to expand its power and crack more skulls so as to protect their sense of cultural and national identity.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory200.html

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Alaska Senate: Could Lisa Murkowski Run as a Libertarian?

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It may not be over yet for Sen. Lisa Murkowski, after all. The Alaska Republican says she's "still in this game."

Murkowski says supporters are urging her to stay in the Senate race despite her narrow primary loss last month to Sarah Palin-backed candidate Joe Miller, a conservative lawyer who also had Tea Party movement support. Murkowski met briefly Tuesday with Alaska Libertarian Party candidate David Haase, who could defer to her and withdraw, the Associated Press reported.

Murkowski told the AP that "I have not made that determination that I'm going to give up. I'm not a quitter, never have been. And I'm still in this game."

Lisa Murkowski

Haase has until Sept. 15 to drop out, but there's no guarantee the Libertarians would embrace Murkowski. She is regarded as a moderate-conservative in the Senate, but like most Libertarians she is pro-Second Amendment rights and generally favors abortion rights. Yet Libertarian leaders earlier voted against putting Murkowski on their ballot line and she says she will not change her views "for any party," insisting, "You take me or leave me, because I am who I am."

Libertarian Chairman Scot Kohlhaas said the party wants to keep channels open for discussion, but he called a Murkowski candidacy a long shot. She could also run as a write-in candidate, but that would be a tougher row to hoe. Murkowski said she had an interesting talk with Haase, but isn't going to change her "political stripes." She conceded to Miller on Aug. 31 when tallies of absentee ballots showed she could not catch up. She lost by just over 2,000 votes.

The Democratic Senate candidate is Scott McAdams, mayor of Sitka.

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