Friday, January 27, 2012

Re: The Republican establishment mobilizes to prevent the nomination of Newt.

"There you go again"  (with that whole, "Revisionist History"  attempt)
 


 
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:43 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
reason enough to ignore him

On Jan 26, 5:49 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "*Anyone who covered Gingrich in the 1990s knew he held Reagan in high
> regard* "   Major Garrett
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dole vs. Gingrich: The GOP Empire Strikes Back
>
> > <http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get...>
> > AP Photo/Matt Rourke
>
> > Republican presidential candidate, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich
> > speaks at the University of North Florida, Thursday, Jan. 26, 2012, in
> > Jacksonville, Fla.
> > The Republican establishment mobilizes to prevent the nomination of Newt.
>
> > <http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...><http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...><http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...><http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...><http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...>
>
> > By Major Garrett <http://www.nationaljournal.com/reporters/bio/40>
> > Updated: January 26, 2012 | 6:29 p.m.
> > January 26, 2012 | 4:52 p.m.
>
> > After arriving in Florida like a rolling ball of butcher knives, former
> > House Speaker Newt Gingrich is looking less edgy and more flabby by the
> > hour. The last four polls in Florida now show Mitt Romney back ahead (the
> > previous four had Gingrich up).
>
> > That's at least in part because Republicans-–some conservative, some
> > semiconservative, and some conveniently conservative–-are attacking
> > Gingrich as a walking, talking party menace; a flu-like contagion who will
> > lose the presidency and contaminate down-ballot Republicans with erratic
> > extremism.
>
> > While voters in South Carolina found Gingrich's condemnation of the news
> > media and braggadocio about "big ideas" infectious, an increasing number of
> > Republicans now describe Gingrich as something akin to political plague.
>
> > "If Gingrich is the nominee, it will have an adverse impact on Republican
> > candidates running for county, state, and federal offices," said Bob Dole,
> > the GOP's 1996 nominee and former Senate majority leader. Dole released a
> > letter denouncing Gingrich on Thursday that Romney's campaign quickly
> > distributed. "Hardly anyone who served with Newt in Congress has endorsed
> > him, and that fact speaks for itself. He was a one-man band who rarely took
> > advice. It was his way or the highway."
>
> > Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas, who served as the No. 3
> > Republican in the House when Gingrich was speaker, told Houston TV station
> > KTRH that Gingrich was "not really a conservative." Conservative
> > commentator Ann Coulter has said that a Gingrich nomination would guarantee
> > President Obama's reelection. Peter Wehner, a former Reagan aide, calls
> > Gingrich "intemperate and erratic."
>
> > Dole remains an important figure in the party, although his attachment to
> > it has waned in recent years and he has no links to the tea party-inspired
> > segment of the party responsible for propelling Republicans to a House
> > majority and Senate gains in 2010. Dole's message, however, is not unlike
> > the warnings that GOP veterans issued in 2010 when tea party activists
> > nominated Sharron Angle in Nevada and Christine O'Donnell in
> > Delaware–-hard-line conservatives who turned jump-ball Senate races into
> > slam-dunk Democratic victories.
>
> > Dole and Gingrich have a history, and it bears a quick summary. When Dole
> > was a member of the Senate Finance Committee and urged then-President
> > Reagan to raise taxes to cope with rising budget deficits, Gingrich
> > memorably branded him a "tax collector for the welfare state."
>
> > When Dole challenged President Clinton in 1996, Gingrich negotiated the
> > deal with Clinton over welfare reform-–removing a potent issue of contrast
> > from Dole's campaign quiver. Dole told me later that when he heard welfare
> > reform would be signed before his nominating convention, he knew his
> > campaign had no chance.
>
> > It probably didn't anyway, but Dole viewed Gingrich's decision to get
> > welfare reform signed into law–-allowing Clinton to campaign on it as he
> > did in his convention renomination speech–-as a political and personal
> > affront. Dole also knew he would face an onslaught of Clinton ads linking
> > him to the unpopular Gingrich. He did. Vice President Al Gore put a cap on
> > this at his convention speech, when he declared "Americans will reject this
> > Dole-Gingrich approach and all this déjà voodoo."
>
> > In that summer of 1996, Gingrich was terrified that Republicans would lose
> > their majority-–in part because of two government shutdowns that Gingrich
> > engineered in pursuit of a balanced budget (which was, it bears saying,
> > eventually achieved). In that atmosphere of panic, Gingrich pointedly
> > advised swing-district Republicans to leave conservatism aside and do
> > whatever it took to hold their seats.
>
> > "For the marginal members, being speaker of the House, I'd say to them:
> > Talk to your pollsters, do what gets you reelected, and call home
> > afterward," Gingrich told *The New York Times* editorial board.
>
> > Dole and other Republicans are now telling GOP primary voters to avoid
> > what Gingrich was forced to advise when he led the party as speaker–-a mad
> > race toward political expediency created by an agenda that had grown
> > unpopular and threatening to the party's long-term health.
>
> > This is not the only line of attack Gingrich has had to confront. Now
> > brought into question is Gingrich's fidelity to Reagan. There are several
> > print and video examples of Gingrich trafficking in allegedly anti-Reagan
> > apostasy. Some are contrived. For instance, a 1988 clip of Gingrich
> > predicting that then-Vice President George H. W. Bush would lose if he ran
> > like Reagan was actually advice for Bush to develop an authentic
> > conservative platform of his own and distinguish himself as a new leader
> > for a new time. In fact, Gingrich in that clip-–circulated by the Romney
> > campaign to suggest Gingrich was abandoning Reaganism–-specifically praises
> > Bush for his "no new taxes" pledge. He made that pledge while campaigning
> > for the New Hampshire primary–-in which he defeated Dole.
>
> > Former State Department official Elliott Abrams wrote in *National Review*this week that during the Reagan administration, Gingrich "often spewed
> > insulting rhetoric at Reagan, his top aides, and his policies to defeat
> > Communism." But anyone who covered Gingrich in the 1990s knew he held
> > Reagan in high regard and developed much of his Contract With America
> > agenda along the lines of what he considered Reagan's unfinished domestic
> > agenda, which could be carried out only with a GOP-led House and Senate.
> > And any student of history knows it was not uncommon during Reagan's
> > presidency for Hill Republicans to question the day-to-day tactics and
> > strategy of the Reagan White House. Criticism was common and sometimes done
> > as an act of sell-preservation (Reagan had severe popularity ups and downs).
>
> > And Gingrich spurned the George H.W. Bush White House and John Sununu
> > (Bush the elder's chief of staff, who is now an aggressive Romney promoter)
> > by refusing to cooperate in raising taxes as part of the 1990 bipartisan
> > budget compromise. Gingrich savaged Bush's decision to increase taxes and
> > used his position as party whip –- chief vote-counter -– to defeat the
> > first version of the deal.
>
> > That decision paid significant political dividends for House Republicans
> > who followed Gingrich – because they maintained unblemished purity on the
> > tax issue. As a matter of governing, however, it forced the Bush White
> > House to negotiate a budget deal with more taxes and fewer spending cuts
> > because Bush had to seek Democratic votes to pass it. To the degree this
> > actual history is debated and dissected in Florida or any subsequent
> > primary state, GOP voters can decide for themselves which approach is more
> > "conservative."
>
> > As ever in politics, there is a lot of history here. Some of it is deeply
> > personal. Some of it is philosophical. Some of it is tactical. All of it is
> > about how to position and unite the party as the campaign against Obama
> > comes into focus.
>
> > While defined broadly as the establishment versus the insurgents, the
> > uprising against Gingrich isn't really that monochromatic. Gingrich is a
> > Washington figure through-and-through. Romney is backed by Republicans of
> > established political success in Washington, but is not a Washington figure
> > at all.
>
> > While this is advertised as a fight over conservatism, it's really a fight
> > over winning or what the party decides winning is about or what winning is
> > meant to pursue. Gingrich wants to win to bring about "radical change."
> > Romney and the new wave of party critics contend the only thing radical
> > about a 2012 campaign with Gingrich as nominee would be the radical loss of
> > political clout in Congress and state legislatures across the land, along
> > with the White House itself.
>
> > So, in essence, Gingrich is right about something. This is all about
> > winning the future.
>
> > *Want to stay ahead of the curve? Sign up for National Journal's AM & PM
> > Must Reads <http://www.nationaljournal.com/newsletters>. News and
> > analysis to ensure you don't miss a thing.*
> > <http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...><http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...>

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Re: Fwd: Congrats to the happy couple!

Agreed. Marriage is an ecclesiastical function.......I have no problem with the State getting involved with civil unions.   Wait until Gays start dealing with another fun term:  "Divorce".

 

 


On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
redefining the term, "Marriage"
---
the state shouldn't be involved in marriage

On Jan 26, 2:25 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think what Chris "Moonbat"  Bowers meant to say, was that Massachusetts
> is one of only a handful of states that currently has not passed a
> Constitutional Amendment that prohibits the Massachusetts Courts from
> redefining the term, "Marriage".  Congrats are in order however,  to Barn
> and his bride, (or vice versa)  I do hope that this Communist who with the
> help of other socialists and communists set the entire global economy in a
> recession the likes we haven't seen since the Great Depression,  finds
> happiness, and hopefully, when Massachusetts does in fact ban the
> redefinition of marriage, will continue with a "civil union".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> Date: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM
> Subject: Congrats to the happy couple!
> To: KeithInTa...@gmail.com
>
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>
> KeithInTampa,
>
> Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, a Democrat and one of the greatest
> champions of LGBT rights in Congress, has announced his plans to
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> longtime partner, Jim Ready.
>
> The couple will be married in Massachusetts, one of only five states (plus
> D.C.) in the country that recognizes the right of all consenting adults who
> love each other to marry.
>
> *Please, send your congratulations to the happy couple by signing our
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Re: Fwd: Congrats to the happy couple!

redefining the term, "Marriage"
---
the state shouldn't be involved in marriage

On Jan 26, 2:25 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think what Chris "Moonbat"  Bowers meant to say, was that Massachusetts
> is one of only a handful of states that currently has not passed a
> Constitutional Amendment that prohibits the Massachusetts Courts from
> redefining the term, "Marriage".  Congrats are in order however,  to Barn
> and his bride, (or vice versa)  I do hope that this Communist who with the
> help of other socialists and communists set the entire global economy in a
> recession the likes we haven't seen since the Great Depression,  finds
> happiness, and hopefully, when Massachusetts does in fact ban the
> redefinition of marriage, will continue with a "civil union".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chris Bowers, Daily Kos <campai...@dailykos.com>
> Date: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM
> Subject: Congrats to the happy couple!
> To: KeithInTa...@gmail.com
>
>   [image: DAILY KOS]
>
> KeithInTampa,
>
> Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, a Democrat and one of the greatest
> champions of LGBT rights in Congress, has announced his plans to
> marry<http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=WE4PqXt8KQHoCBOfoOoZHJkD...>his
> longtime partner, Jim Ready.
>
> The couple will be married in Massachusetts, one of only five states (plus
> D.C.) in the country that recognizes the right of all consenting adults who
> love each other to marry.
>
> *Please, send your congratulations to the happy couple by signing our
> card.*<http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=hYywv0m6grkYtLdFfAJvaJkD...>
>
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Re: The Republican establishment mobilizes to prevent the nomination of Newt.

reason enough to ignore him

On Jan 26, 5:49 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "*Anyone who covered Gingrich in the 1990s knew he held Reagan in high
> regard* "   Major Garrett
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dole vs. Gingrich: The GOP Empire Strikes Back
>
> > <http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get...>
> > AP Photo/Matt Rourke
>
> > Republican presidential candidate, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich
> > speaks at the University of North Florida, Thursday, Jan. 26, 2012, in
> > Jacksonville, Fla.
> > The Republican establishment mobilizes to prevent the nomination of Newt.
>
> > <http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...><http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...><http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...><http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...><http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...>
>
> > By Major Garrett <http://www.nationaljournal.com/reporters/bio/40>
> > Updated: January 26, 2012 | 6:29 p.m.
> > January 26, 2012 | 4:52 p.m.
>
> > After arriving in Florida like a rolling ball of butcher knives, former
> > House Speaker Newt Gingrich is looking less edgy and more flabby by the
> > hour. The last four polls in Florida now show Mitt Romney back ahead (the
> > previous four had Gingrich up).
>
> > That's at least in part because Republicans-–some conservative, some
> > semiconservative, and some conveniently conservative–-are attacking
> > Gingrich as a walking, talking party menace; a flu-like contagion who will
> > lose the presidency and contaminate down-ballot Republicans with erratic
> > extremism.
>
> > While voters in South Carolina found Gingrich's condemnation of the news
> > media and braggadocio about "big ideas" infectious, an increasing number of
> > Republicans now describe Gingrich as something akin to political plague.
>
> > "If Gingrich is the nominee, it will have an adverse impact on Republican
> > candidates running for county, state, and federal offices," said Bob Dole,
> > the GOP's 1996 nominee and former Senate majority leader. Dole released a
> > letter denouncing Gingrich on Thursday that Romney's campaign quickly
> > distributed. "Hardly anyone who served with Newt in Congress has endorsed
> > him, and that fact speaks for itself. He was a one-man band who rarely took
> > advice. It was his way or the highway."
>
> > Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas, who served as the No. 3
> > Republican in the House when Gingrich was speaker, told Houston TV station
> > KTRH that Gingrich was "not really a conservative." Conservative
> > commentator Ann Coulter has said that a Gingrich nomination would guarantee
> > President Obama's reelection. Peter Wehner, a former Reagan aide, calls
> > Gingrich "intemperate and erratic."
>
> > Dole remains an important figure in the party, although his attachment to
> > it has waned in recent years and he has no links to the tea party-inspired
> > segment of the party responsible for propelling Republicans to a House
> > majority and Senate gains in 2010. Dole's message, however, is not unlike
> > the warnings that GOP veterans issued in 2010 when tea party activists
> > nominated Sharron Angle in Nevada and Christine O'Donnell in
> > Delaware–-hard-line conservatives who turned jump-ball Senate races into
> > slam-dunk Democratic victories.
>
> > Dole and Gingrich have a history, and it bears a quick summary. When Dole
> > was a member of the Senate Finance Committee and urged then-President
> > Reagan to raise taxes to cope with rising budget deficits, Gingrich
> > memorably branded him a "tax collector for the welfare state."
>
> > When Dole challenged President Clinton in 1996, Gingrich negotiated the
> > deal with Clinton over welfare reform-–removing a potent issue of contrast
> > from Dole's campaign quiver. Dole told me later that when he heard welfare
> > reform would be signed before his nominating convention, he knew his
> > campaign had no chance.
>
> > It probably didn't anyway, but Dole viewed Gingrich's decision to get
> > welfare reform signed into law–-allowing Clinton to campaign on it as he
> > did in his convention renomination speech–-as a political and personal
> > affront. Dole also knew he would face an onslaught of Clinton ads linking
> > him to the unpopular Gingrich. He did. Vice President Al Gore put a cap on
> > this at his convention speech, when he declared "Americans will reject this
> > Dole-Gingrich approach and all this déjà voodoo."
>
> > In that summer of 1996, Gingrich was terrified that Republicans would lose
> > their majority-–in part because of two government shutdowns that Gingrich
> > engineered in pursuit of a balanced budget (which was, it bears saying,
> > eventually achieved). In that atmosphere of panic, Gingrich pointedly
> > advised swing-district Republicans to leave conservatism aside and do
> > whatever it took to hold their seats.
>
> > "For the marginal members, being speaker of the House, I'd say to them:
> > Talk to your pollsters, do what gets you reelected, and call home
> > afterward," Gingrich told *The New York Times* editorial board.
>
> > Dole and other Republicans are now telling GOP primary voters to avoid
> > what Gingrich was forced to advise when he led the party as speaker–-a mad
> > race toward political expediency created by an agenda that had grown
> > unpopular and threatening to the party's long-term health.
>
> > This is not the only line of attack Gingrich has had to confront. Now
> > brought into question is Gingrich's fidelity to Reagan. There are several
> > print and video examples of Gingrich trafficking in allegedly anti-Reagan
> > apostasy. Some are contrived. For instance, a 1988 clip of Gingrich
> > predicting that then-Vice President George H. W. Bush would lose if he ran
> > like Reagan was actually advice for Bush to develop an authentic
> > conservative platform of his own and distinguish himself as a new leader
> > for a new time. In fact, Gingrich in that clip-–circulated by the Romney
> > campaign to suggest Gingrich was abandoning Reaganism–-specifically praises
> > Bush for his "no new taxes" pledge. He made that pledge while campaigning
> > for the New Hampshire primary–-in which he defeated Dole.
>
> > Former State Department official Elliott Abrams wrote in *National Review*this week that during the Reagan administration, Gingrich "often spewed
> > insulting rhetoric at Reagan, his top aides, and his policies to defeat
> > Communism." But anyone who covered Gingrich in the 1990s knew he held
> > Reagan in high regard and developed much of his Contract With America
> > agenda along the lines of what he considered Reagan's unfinished domestic
> > agenda, which could be carried out only with a GOP-led House and Senate.
> > And any student of history knows it was not uncommon during Reagan's
> > presidency for Hill Republicans to question the day-to-day tactics and
> > strategy of the Reagan White House. Criticism was common and sometimes done
> > as an act of sell-preservation (Reagan had severe popularity ups and downs).
>
> > And Gingrich spurned the George H.W. Bush White House and John Sununu
> > (Bush the elder's chief of staff, who is now an aggressive Romney promoter)
> > by refusing to cooperate in raising taxes as part of the 1990 bipartisan
> > budget compromise. Gingrich savaged Bush's decision to increase taxes and
> > used his position as party whip –- chief vote-counter -– to defeat the
> > first version of the deal.
>
> > That decision paid significant political dividends for House Republicans
> > who followed Gingrich – because they maintained unblemished purity on the
> > tax issue. As a matter of governing, however, it forced the Bush White
> > House to negotiate a budget deal with more taxes and fewer spending cuts
> > because Bush had to seek Democratic votes to pass it. To the degree this
> > actual history is debated and dissected in Florida or any subsequent
> > primary state, GOP voters can decide for themselves which approach is more
> > "conservative."
>
> > As ever in politics, there is a lot of history here. Some of it is deeply
> > personal. Some of it is philosophical. Some of it is tactical. All of it is
> > about how to position and unite the party as the campaign against Obama
> > comes into focus.
>
> > While defined broadly as the establishment versus the insurgents, the
> > uprising against Gingrich isn't really that monochromatic. Gingrich is a
> > Washington figure through-and-through. Romney is backed by Republicans of
> > established political success in Washington, but is not a Washington figure
> > at all.
>
> > While this is advertised as a fight over conservatism, it's really a fight
> > over winning or what the party decides winning is about or what winning is
> > meant to pursue. Gingrich wants to win to bring about "radical change."
> > Romney and the new wave of party critics contend the only thing radical
> > about a 2012 campaign with Gingrich as nominee would be the radical loss of
> > political clout in Congress and state legislatures across the land, along
> > with the White House itself.
>
> > So, in essence, Gingrich is right about something. This is all about
> > winning the future.
>
> > *Want to stay ahead of the curve? Sign up for National Journal's AM & PM
> > Must Reads <http://www.nationaljournal.com/newsletters>. News and
> > analysis to ensure you don't miss a thing.*
> > <http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...><http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dole-vs-gin...>

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Georgia Judge Issues Default Judgement Against Obama, Usurper’s Name will Not Appear on Georgia Ballot



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Georgia Judge Issues Default Judgement Against Obama, Usurper's Name will Not Appear on Georgia Ballot

by Harold

Brent Bateman, Daily News Press 1/26/2012 Source ….. Judge Malihi, a state court Judge in Georgia, talked to all attorneys in chambers before the ballot challenge hearing this morning, and Malihi said he is going to enter a default Judgement against Obama and recommend that Obama's name not be on the Georgia ballot. All of [...]

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Re: misguided priorities

Tango!

For the old ones

On Jan 26, 4:45 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vodka makes it palatable.
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > True.  NASA made it famous though......
>
> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> TANG was not invented by NASA.  They purchased it for their use.
>
> >> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> I believe in the stewardship of our Federal Government in space
> >>> exploration, for a number of reasons:
>
> >>> (1)  National Defense;  Hell, there has been so many "National Defense"
> >>> issues that NASA has either created, and then resolved, inventions that
> >>> were brought about by NASA and space exploration; and the prestige of it
> >>> all;  (2)  Velcro;  (3) Tang;  (4)  Star Trek.
>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> As a great place to ship Congress and the White House to.
>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:49 AM, GregfromBoston <
> >>>> greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> How does Mars grab ya?
>
> >>>>> On Jan 26, 9:48 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>  > Newt Gingrich has proposed a US moon base.
> >>>>> > "If we do it right, it'll be wild and it will be just the most fun
> >>>>> > you've ever seen," he said.
>
> >>>>> > wow ...
>
> >>>>> > The US can send shuttles into space but can not pay its own bills?
>
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Re: misguided priorities

Just think of all the benefits reaped from the challenge of going to
the moon
---
again ...
The US can send shuttles into space but can not pay its own bills?

We cannot allow our government to heap debt on the citizens while
skyhunting ambitions for commercial and military benefits from a space
program.

not that a space program is a bad thing ... just not when our citizens
are in debt and more and more uneducated

On Jan 26, 10:02 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just think of all the benefits reaped from the challenge of going to
> the moon...http://www.nasa.gov/50th/50th_magazine/benefits.html
>
> On Jan 26, 8:48 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Newt Gingrich has proposed a US moon base.
> > "If we do it right, it'll be wild and it will be just the most fun
> > you've ever seen," he said.
>
> > wow ...
>
> > The US can send shuttles into space but can not pay its own bills?

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Re: Honour Killings on the rise in Canada.

We in Canada, like the rest of the western world, have been fed a
line
for decades. That multiculturalism is good for us.
---
by who?

In the Western nations they consistently oppose all organizations
seeking to preserve the interests and heritage of Europeans. Likewise,
in non-European nations, they consistently work to break down the
solidarity and homogeneity of the prominent ethnic group.

They have made a concerted effort to control the American immigration
system and defeat restrictionist legislation. In 1921, 1924, and 1952,
Congress passed legislation that simply attempted to maintain the
racial/ethnic status quo in America. Interestingly enough, even though
Anglo Americans were in a vast majority of the American population as
well as in Congress, they did not attempt to increase their own
percentage of the American population, but simply sought to fairly
maintain each group's status quo. In the early legislative battles,
they were the leading advocates of open immigration and vehemently
opposed legislation that would maintain America as an ethnically
European nation. In the House of Representatives, Adolph Sabath,
Samuel Dickstein, and Emanuel Celler led the fight for unrestricted
immigration, while in the Senate, Herbert Lehman and in later years
Jacob Javits coordinated the effort.

---
just an observation

On Jan 27, 9:14 am, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *HI All.
>
>      We in Canada, like the rest of the western world, have been fed a line
> for decades. That multiculturalism is good for us. Particularly how it has
> been implemented here. well folks. It hasn't worked out so well.
>
> Here are the results of a study about honour killings in Canada and just
> who is committing them.
> Were we really that naive to think it wouldn't happen here?
>
> I suppose the good news is that just a few years ago this study would have
> never gotten funding. People are at least talking about the problem now.
> And yes the usual parrots are jabbering. It must all be racist. The facts
> are racist. The media are racist for reporting it. Blah, blah, blah.
>
> Bear
> * Honour killings on the rise in Canada: Study
> 12<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/01/26/honour-killings-on-the-rise-in-ca...>
> University
> study shows 12 honour-killing victims in Canada since '99
>  By Brian Daly <http://www.ottawasun.com/author/brian-daly> ,QMI Agency
>
> First posted: Thursday, January 26, 2012 03:55 PM EST | Updated: Thursday,
> January 26, 2012 04:02 PM EST
>  [image: Mohammad Shafia] Mohammad Shafia is charged with the murder of his
> three daughters Zainab Shafia, 19, Sahar Shafia, 17, and Geeti Shafia, 13,
> as well as Mohammad's first wife, Rona Amir Mohammed. (REUTERS/Lars
> Hagberg)
>
>    - Change text size for the
> story<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/01/26/honour-killings-on-the-rise-in-ca...>
>    - Print this
> story<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/01/26/honour-killings-on-the-rise-in-ca...>
>
> Report an error <http://www.ottawasun.com/contact-us#story>
>
> MONTREAL  - As the highest-profile honour killing trial in Canadian history
> draws to a close, new numbers indicate the brutal practice is on the rise.
>
> A study by the University of Sherbrooke shows there have been 12
> honour-killing victims in Canada since 1999 compared with three between
> 1954 and 1983.
>
> All of the cases involved at least one female victim, and all of the
> killers were immigrants, according to the study that appears in the latest
> issue of the Canadian Criminal Law Review.
>
> Most of the perpetrators were men, usually of Muslim or Sikh background,
> and the average victim was 21 years old.
>
> Honour killings sparked a new wave of outrage because of an ongoing case in
> Kingston, Ont., in which a couple and their son allegedly murdered the
> couple's three young daughters and the husband's first wife from a
> polygamous marriage.
>
> The Crown says Mohammad Shafia, his wife Tooba Mohammad Yahya and son Hamed
> murdered the four women because the eldest daughters were dishonouring the
> family by having sexual relations with boyfriends.
>
> The four bodies were found submerged in the Rideau Canal inside the
> family's Nissan Sentra on the morning of June 30, 2009.
>
> The case prompted a debate about the possibility of creating a separate
> Criminal Code category for honour killings.
>
> Law professor Marie-Pierre Robert, who authored the study, said data
> indicates such a move isn't needed because honour killers are always
> prosecuted to the maximum under Canadian law.
>
> "Often it's first-degree murder, which means life in prison in the great
> majority of cases," she said. "Even in the other cases, there are very
> severe sentences."
>
> The Conservative government said last year it has no plans to change the
> Criminal Code to specifically punish honour killings, but Justice Minister
> Rob Nicholson said some changes to Canada's hate crime legislation are
> being considered.
>
> Some believe that targeting women and girls because of what they wear or
> who they date could be considered a gender-based hate crime.
>
> The law professor suggested a focus on prevention that stresses an
> education in Canadian values for newcomers.
>
> "The culture of equality between men and women . . . must be stressed,"
> said Robert.
>
> *Honour killings in Canada*
>
> - Aqsa Parvez, 16, strangled to death in Toronto in 2007 for refusing to
> wear the hijab. Father Muhammad Parvez and brother Waqas Parvez sentenced
> to life in prison
>
> - Hasibullah Sadiqi, sentenced to life in prison for shooting his sister
> and her fiance in Edmonton on Sept. 19, 2006. He claimed they had brought
> dishonour on his family.
>
> -Rajinder Singh Atwal stabbed his 17-year-old daughter Amandeep to death in
> 2003 for insisting on living with her boyfriend. Atwal found guilty of
> second-degree murder in 2005 and sentenced to life in prison.
>
> -Adi Abdul Humaid stabbed his wife, Aysar Abbas, 23 times in the neck and
> once in the heart on a lonely stretch of B.C. road on Oct. 14, 1999. He
> said he thought she was sleeping with her business associate. Sentenced to
> life in prison.
>
> *
> *

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Honour Killings on the rise in Canada.

HI All.

     We in Canada, like the rest of the western world, have been fed a line for decades. That multiculturalism is good for us. Particularly how it has been implemented here. well folks. It hasn't worked out so well.

Here are the results of a study about honour killings in Canada and just who is committing them.
Were we really that naive to think it wouldn't happen here?

I suppose the good news is that just a few years ago this study would have never gotten funding. People are at least talking about the problem now. And yes the usual parrots are jabbering. It must all be racist. The facts are racist. The media are racist for reporting it. Blah, blah, blah.


Bear

Honour killings on the rise in Canada: Study

12

University study shows 12 honour-killing victims in Canada since '99


By ,QMI Agency

First posted: Thursday, January 26, 2012 03:55 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, January 26, 2012 04:02 PM EST

Mohammad Shafia Mohammad Shafia is charged with the murder of his three daughters Zainab Shafia, 19, Sahar Shafia, 17, and Geeti Shafia, 13, as well as Mohammad's first wife, Rona Amir Mohammed. (REUTERS/Lars Hagberg)

Report an error

MONTREAL  - As the highest-profile honour killing trial in Canadian history draws to a close, new numbers indicate the brutal practice is on the rise.

A study by the University of Sherbrooke shows there have been 12 honour-killing victims in Canada since 1999 compared with three between 1954 and 1983.

All of the cases involved at least one female victim, and all of the killers were immigrants, according to the study that appears in the latest issue of the Canadian Criminal Law Review.

Most of the perpetrators were men, usually of Muslim or Sikh background, and the average victim was 21 years old.

Honour killings sparked a new wave of outrage because of an ongoing case in Kingston, Ont., in which a couple and their son allegedly murdered the couple's three young daughters and the husband's first wife from a polygamous marriage.

The Crown says Mohammad Shafia, his wife Tooba Mohammad Yahya and son Hamed murdered the four women because the eldest daughters were dishonouring the family by having sexual relations with boyfriends.

The four bodies were found submerged in the Rideau Canal inside the family's Nissan Sentra on the morning of June 30, 2009.

The case prompted a debate about the possibility of creating a separate Criminal Code category for honour killings.

Law professor Marie-Pierre Robert, who authored the study, said data indicates such a move isn't needed because honour killers are always prosecuted to the maximum under Canadian law.

"Often it's first-degree murder, which means life in prison in the great majority of cases," she said. "Even in the other cases, there are very severe sentences."

The Conservative government said last year it has no plans to change the Criminal Code to specifically punish honour killings, but Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said some changes to Canada's hate crime legislation are being considered.

Some believe that targeting women and girls because of what they wear or who they date could be considered a gender-based hate crime.

The law professor suggested a focus on prevention that stresses an education in Canadian values for newcomers.

"The culture of equality between men and women . . . must be stressed," said Robert.

Honour killings in Canada

- Aqsa Parvez, 16, strangled to death in Toronto in 2007 for refusing to wear the hijab. Father Muhammad Parvez and brother Waqas Parvez sentenced to life in prison

- Hasibullah Sadiqi, sentenced to life in prison for shooting his sister and her fiance in Edmonton on Sept. 19, 2006. He claimed they had brought dishonour on his family.

-Rajinder Singh Atwal stabbed his 17-year-old daughter Amandeep to death in 2003 for insisting on living with her boyfriend. Atwal found guilty of second-degree murder in 2005 and sentenced to life in prison.

-Adi Abdul Humaid stabbed his wife, Aysar Abbas, 23 times in the neck and once in the heart on a lonely stretch of B.C. road on Oct. 14, 1999. He said he thought she was sleeping with her business associate. Sentenced to life in prison.



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"Honour Killings"

Her is the latest on the Shafia trial that so many of you expressed an interest in. It had to be halted yesterday because of a bomb threat. Is anyone surprised?

Bear


KINGSTON, ONT.  - They kept it secret, they planned it together and then participated in a quadruple execution.

Mohammad Shafia, his wife Tooba Yahya and their son Hamed are cold-blooded killers of their own kin, a jury here was told Thursday.

Crown counsel Laurie Lacelle made no bones about how she feels. She urged the seven-woman and five-man jury to convict the defendants of first-degree murder of the "honour" slayings of four members of their own family.

She says there is no other way for justice for victims Zainab, Sahar, Geeti and Rona.

"The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable," she told the jury of the drowning deaths at the Kingston locks in June of 2009. "You know this was not an accident, this was murder."

With the accused looking on and showing little emotion from the prisoner's box she urged the jury to "disregard" the defence and send them away for life.

"This mother, this father, this brother killed their own daughters and sisters and co-wife and co-mother," said an emotional Lacelle. "They planned it and carried it out together...Shafia on wire taps said there was no other way. Now it is your turn. Find them all guilty as charged,. On the evidence there is no other way."

Soon the jury will get its opportunity to decide if this is as what the Crown alleges or nothing more than a terrible accident.

Justice Robert Maranger will instruct the jury today and then hand them the case. This should happen at the end of the day Friday which should mean weekend deliberations.

But with three months of testimony and 58 witnesses it has not been easy getting here.

And Thursday will be a day to remember.

It started with Kingston Police evacuating the historic Frontenac County Courthouse thanks to a security threat. The judge, jury, lawyers, press, spectators and the accused were all removed from the building. The place was buzzing.

"It's been a weird day," Maranger said later.

The security concern resulted in bomb-sniffing dogs being brought in from Ottawa, new and stricter security measures being installed and a late start to the court day.

In fact, Lacelle did not get the opportunity to finish her closing argument until almost 3 p.m. Court did not adjourn until after 8 p.m.

And it won't get any easier on Friday when Maranger will read his 240-page charge to the jury.

"It will be a long day," he warned the jury. "Maybe have an extra cup of coffee in the morning."

As bizarre, and tedious, a day as Thursday was, the trial is winding down and it will very soon be in the hands of the jury.

When they go into their deliberations, they go with a request from the defence to dismiss a "preposterous and impossible theory" by the Crown that there was an "honour murder" and "acquit" this family.

Saying there is "reasonable doubt" there just was not enough time to stage such a strange set of circumstances as drowning four women with no one hearing or seeing them do it

But Crown Lacelle told the jury what they should dismiss the defence's contention and remember the Crown only has to prove the murders did happen and that the suspects were at the scene when it did happen. "We know all three of them where there," said Lacelle. "They were all there because they all had a role to play -- killing four people in one transaction in a complex exercise that was planned and required an assignment of roles."

She said from wire intercepts "you can tell Mohammad Shafia killed his daughters, and Rona, and felt entitled to do so to protect his family's honour."

A jury will very soon decide if this is indeed what happened here and by going late and starting early Judge Maranger has made it clear no security threat is going to get in the way of that.



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**JP** Fw: Heart Attacks And Hot Water..



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From: Farhan Safeer Qureshi <qureshiqureshiqureshi@gmail.com>
Subject: Heart Attacks And Hot Water..
To: "Farhan Safeer Qureshi" <qureshiqureshiqureshi@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 10:01 AM

 



 

Please read this twice , if not 3 times

 

Heart Attacks And Hot Water

A very good article which takes two minutes to read. I'm sending this to persons I care about........I hope you do too!!!


Heart Attacks And Drinking Warm Water



This is a very good article. Not only about the warm water after your meal, but about
Heart Attacks. The Chinese and Japanese drink hot tea with their meals, not cold water, maybe it is time we adopt theirdrinking habit while eating.

For those who like to drink cold water, this article is applicable to you. It is nice to have a cup of cold drink after a meal. However, the cold water will solidify the oily stuff that you have just consumed. It will slow down the digestion. Once this 'sludge' reacts with the acid, it will break down and be absorbed by theintestine
faster than the solid food. It will line the intestine. Very soon, this will turn into fats and lead to cancer. It is best to drink hot soup or warm water after a meal.

Common Symptoms Of Heart Attack...

A serious note about heart attacks - You! should know that not every heart attack symptom is going to be theleft arm hurting
. Be aware of intense pain in the jaw line.

You may never have the first chest pain
during the course of a heart attack. Nausea and intense sweating are also common symptoms. 60% of people who have a heart attack while they are asleep do not wake up. Pain in the jaw can wake you from a sound sleep. Let's be careful and be aware. The more we know, the better chance we could survive.


A
cardiologist says if everyone who reads this message sends it to 10 people, you can be sure that we'll save at least one life. Read this & Send to a friend. It could save a life... So, please be a true friend and send this article to all your friends you care about.


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**JP** Fw: An interesting article (Jan-2012/09)



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Subject: An interesting article (Jan-2012/09)
To: "Farhan Safeer Qureshi" <qureshiqureshiqureshi@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, 26 January, 2012, 10:00 AM

 

  

 

 

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**JP** Are you a CARROT, an EGG or COFEE BEAN??


Are you a CARROT, an EGG or COFEE BEAN??
(shahzad shameem, Abbottabad)



A young woman went to her mother and told her about her life, and how things were so hard for her. She did not know how she was going to make it, and wanted to give up. She was tired of fighting and struggling. It seemed as one problem was solved a new one arose.

Her mother took her to the kitchen. She filled three pots with water. In the first pot, she placed carrots, in the second she placed eggs and the last she placed ground coffee beans. She let them sit and boil without saying a word. In about twenty minutes she turned off the burners. She fished the carrots out and placed them in a bowl. She pulled the eggs out and placed them in a bowl. Then she ladled the coffee out and placed it in a bowl.

Turning to her daughter, she asked, "Tell me what do you see?" "Carrots, eggs, and coffee," she replied. She brought her closer and asked her to feel the carrots. She did and noted that they got soft. She then asked her to take the egg and break it. After pulling off the shell, she observed the hard-boiled egg. Finally, she asked her to smell and sip the coffee. The daughter smiled, as she smelled and tasted its rich aroma. The daughter then asked, "What's the point, mother?"

Her mother explained that each of these objects had faced the same adversity- boiling water-but each reacted differently. The carrot went in strong, hard and unrelenting. However, after being subjected to the boiling water, it softened and became weak. The egg had been fragile. Its thin outer shell had protected its liquid interior. But, after sitting through the boiling water, its inside became hardened. The ground coffee beans were unique, however. After they were in the boiling water they had changed the water.

"Which are you?" she asked her daughter. "When trials and adversity knock on your door, how do you respond? Are you a carrot, an egg, or a coffee bean?"

Think of this: Which am I?
Am I the carrot that seems strong, but with pain and adversity, do I wilt and become soft and lose my strength?

Am I the egg that starts with a passive heart, but changes with the heat? Did I have a fluid spirit, but after a death, a financial hardship or some other trial, have I become hardened and stiff?

Does my shell look the same, but on the inside, am I bitter and tough with a stiff spirit and a hardened heart?

Or, am I like the coffee bean? The bean actually changes the hot water, the very circumstance that brings the pain. When the water gets hot, it releases the fragrance and flavor. If you are like the bean, when things are at their worst, you become better and change the situation around you.

When the hours are the darkest and trials are their greatest do you elevate to another level?

How do you handle adversity?
Like the CARROT, the EGG, OR the COFFEE BEAN?
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