Sunday, June 20, 2010
Traitor Jane fonda to be honored by barry (AKA illegal obama)
SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!
And now OBAMA wants to honor her ......!!!!
In Memory of
My brother -in- law
LT. C.Thomsen Wieland
Who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton
IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED
ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!
She really is a traitor
A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA
This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do Not remember, and didn't have to bear the
Burden that our fathers, mothers and older Brothers and sisters had to bear.
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.'
BY BARBRA WALTERS
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still Countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, But specific men who served and sacrificed During Vietnam
The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison The ' Hanoi Hilton.'
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, Cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was Ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane Treatment he'd received.
He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was Dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward On to the camp Commandant 's feet, which Sent that officer berserk.
In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from Double vision (which permanently ended his Flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied Application of a wooden baton.
From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the 'Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his Family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and Clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to Get word to the world that they were alive An d still survived. Each man secreted a tiny Piece of paper, with his Social Security Number On it , in the palm of his hand.
When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a Cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging Snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed Babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane Treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each Palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat.. At the End of the line and once the camera stopped Rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, She turned to the officer in charge and handed Him all the little pieces of paper.
bECAUSE OF JANE fONDA..Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four But he survived, which is the only reason we Know of her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor In Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one Year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year In a 'black box' in Hanoi My North Vietnamese captors deliberately Poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a Nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)
We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals..'
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by The camp communist political officer if I would Be willing to meet with her..
I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real Treatment we POWs received... And how Different it was from the treatment purported by The North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky Floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched With a large steel weights placed on my hands, And beaten with a bamboo cane.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.
These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget...' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.
There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget. RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,
USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron,
Chief of
Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343
PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE
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http://www.bizzyblog.com/2010/06/20/in-the-best-of-hands-not-obamas-oil-spill-commission/
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Interesting posting from Vodkapundit
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Two bits says the administration will not understand this at all
http://www.parkwayreststop.com/archives/10004248
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Re: Digest for politicalforum@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 7 Topics
Bush pretty much destroyed America
On Jun 20, 10:01 am, Maurice Coates <coates...@gmail.com> wrote:
> O the good old Bush years when the whole world was spitting on the USA
> and thinking that the next crisis after Hitler will be the USA. You
> guys should think before you start typing on your keyboards.
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:25 PM,
>
> <politicalforum+noreply@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > Today's Topic Summary
>
> > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/topics
>
> > Why do the Dutch have better skimmers than the US? [6 Updates]
> > Obama stops clean up to create bigger disaster [4 Updates]
> > I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan [1 Update]
> > Dutch skimmers on the job [6 Updates]
> > The Government Cannot Protect Us From Every Catastrophe We Face [2 Updates]
> > Obama: 'To rebuild America's economy, rebuild America' [3 Updates]
> > This one is a can't make this stuff up - the Coast Guard looks stupid here
> > [3 Updates]
>
> > Topic: Why do the Dutch have better skimmers than the US?
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 11:39AM -0700 ^
>
> > socialism?
>
> > bruce majors <bruce.maj...@gmail.com> Jun 18 02:43PM -0400 ^
>
> > sheeple eating her own patties now
>
> > are the Dutch skimmers state owned?
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 11:50AM -0700 ^
>
> > Yes.
>
> > bruce majors <bruce.maj...@gmail.com> Jun 18 02:59PM -0400 ^
>
> > poor dumb pattie
>
> > too stupid to even talk to
>
> > if the Dutch government had forced Dutch taxpayers to invest in excess
> > skimmers it just has sitting around that would instead show that socialism
> > doesn't work
>
> > if you were literate you would be able to read about the "calculation
> > debate" in the early 20th century that demonstrated that central planners
> > always make such Pharonic malinvestments as they have no market price
> > signals to guide them
>
> > as it turns out, the skimmers belong to a private company
>
> > *Royal Dutch Shell*
> > plc<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_limited_company>,
> > commonly known simply as *Shell*, is a
> > multinational<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_corporation>
> > petroleum company <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_company> of
> > Dutch<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands>
> > and British <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> origins. One of
> > the six "supermajors <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajor>" (vertically
> > integrated <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_integration> private
> > sector <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sector> oil
> > exploration<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_exploration>
> > , natural gas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas>, and
> > petroleum<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum> product
> > marketing companies), Shell was listed as the world's eighth largest
> > corporation for 2010 by
> > Forbes.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell#cite_note-1>
> > The
> > company's headquarters are in The
> > Hague<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague>
> > , Netherlands
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands>,[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell#cite_note-Shell_Intern...>
> > with
> > its registered office at the Shell
> > Centre<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Centre>
> > inLondon <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London>, United
> > Kingdom<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>
> > .[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell#cite_note-Shell_Intern...>
>
> > Shell operates in over 140 countries. In the United
> > States<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>,
> > the Shell Oil Company <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company>
> > subsidiary,
> > headquartered in Houston <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston>,
> > Texas<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas>,
> > is one of its largest businesses.
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 12:18PM -0700 ^
>
> > the government owns the cleanup equipment, including the skimmers now
> > being deployed in the Gulf.
>
> > bruce majors <bruce.maj...@gmail.com> Jun 18 03:22PM -0400 ^
>
> > so the Dutch state owns skimmers it forced Dutch taxpayers to pay for, even
> > though Shell owns its own, and having no use for them it offers them to
> > Obama
>
> > you seem to have provided no link to show that they are state owned
>
> > my google still shows that Shell owns skimmers, which the Dutch government
> > offered
>
> > you don't seem to be able to think abstractly or provide references
>
> > so our assessment of you is unchanged
>
> > Topic: Obama stops clean up to create bigger disaster
>
> > dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:12PM -0400 ^
>
> > Define unsafe - without regard to what the congress says is unsafe.
> > BTW did you realize that the Democratic Congress passed the OSHA bills
> > back in the day. Guess who did not have to abide by them. The
> > Congress!! So the rest of us had to put up with the OSHA requirements
> > but those who worked for Congress did not. Guess the Congress didn't
> > believe their own laws then. I would bet the same is true now. You
> > can bet that if a coast guard vessel is in trouble and all the CG ships
> > do not have the required safety equipment, the CG still goes out.
> > They shouldn't because it would not be safe for them.\
>
> > Boy are you ever easy!!
>
> > euwe wrote:
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:07AM -0700 ^
>
> > Define unsafe
> > ----------
> > the ships were inspected and grounded because they did not have the
> > proper fire-fighting and life-saving equipment. They were therefore,
> > unsafe.
>
> > frankg <fran...@gmail.com> Jun 18 12:05PM -0700 ^
>
> > This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire
> > extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and
> > allow the house to burn down? The barges should have been allowed to
> > continue to do their thing while inspections and/or corrections were
> > made in parallel.
>
> > This is just as foolish as the Obama Administration refusing the offer
> > from the Dutch to bring in their skimmers because the skimmers are not
> > 100% efficient at removing the oil from the water and so could return
> > water to the gulf that still contains a tiny amount of oil.
>
> > If all of these systems had been put in place immediately the
> > environmental disaster would be but a fraction of what we currently
> > have. Attempting to defend the USCG or EPA for these decisions is
> > impossible. To bad we don't still have Bush in office -- at least then
> > no one would be attempting to smooth all this mismanagement over as
> > acceptable and proper.
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 12:20PM -0700 ^
>
> > This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire
> > extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and
> > allow the house to burn down
> > ----------
> > if it is an ongoing process, and one of the firetrucks could cause a
> > life to be lost because of safety considerations, it would be taken
> > out of service until it was safe. Life is more important than
> > property.
>
> > Topic: I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan
>
> > bruce majors <bruce.maj...@gmail.com> Jun 18 02:44PM -0400 ^
>
> > [image: dove kyrgyz]
>
> > During this past month, ethnic violence between Uzbeks and Kyrgyz has
> > shook the small country of Kyrgyzstan in central Asia, resulting in over 200
> > dead and 120,000 displaced. Throughout the chaos Kyrgyz libertarians led a
> > series of coordinated voluntary efforts to provide emergency aid to the
> > victims of the vicious attacks and to promote peace throughout the nation
> > and the region. Atlas's Tom Palmer has been in regular touch with our
> > friends there, and on Tuesday evening he talked to Central Asian Free Market
> > Institute<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT_o3p...>
> > (CAFMI)
> > Director Mirsulzhan Namazaliev by Skype, as he was interrupted by a stream
> > of volunteers working late into the night in the CAFMI offices. He made
> > their resolution clear:
>
> > *"We are helping those who are suffering, but we are doing more. For me
> > personally this is not only a fight for life. It is a fight for freedom.
> > We don't want to be ruled by any authoritarian Central Asian or Russian
> > regimes that would exploit this awful violence. The violence we are
> > suffering is a provocation designed to generate chaos and to overturn the
> > chance for a constitutional regime. We will not stand for it. We want
> > peace, we want freedom, and we want a lawful government."*
>
> > [image: Gulmira Aidaralieva]Palmer was in Kyrgyzstan just last month to work
> > with CAFMI and with the new acting minister of economic development, Emil
> > Umetaliev, a founding member of CAFMI's board of directors. The CAFMI team
> > includes two Atlas Think Tank
> > MBA<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT93K4...>graduates
> > - co-founder and director, Mirsulzhan Namazaliev, and operations
> > manager Gulmira Aidaralieva. There was guarded optimism about the country's
> > future, after the corrupt and increasingly authoritarian regime of Kurmanbek
> > Bakiyev was ousted in an uprising after he tried to suppress demonstrations
> > with deadly force. But there was also fear of Bakiyev's machinations,
> > especially after the revelation of a recorded cell phone conversation
> > between his son, Maksim, and his brother Janybek (who had given the orders
> > to shoot protesters in April), in which they clearly plot violence to derail
> > a new constitutional process and regain power, even proposing how many
> > "fighters" to hire, arming them with iron bars and other implements, and how
> > much to pay them to launch attacks. The recording was chilling. And with the
> > money they looted from the country, they found the thugs to launch attacks
> > on both Uzbek and Kyrgyz villages, in order to spark revenge attacks. Their
> > plans bore fruit this month, as hundreds were murdered, homes and businesses
> > were burned, and 120,000 people were made refugees.
>
> > As Namazaliev remarked, "We will not stand for it."
>
> > [image: cafmi web]CAFMI's staff and volunteers are almost all under the age
> > of 25. Few have backgrounds in defense or security. But they immediately put
> > the talents they do have to work. CAFMI volunteers worked with others to
> > solicit, gather, and deliver humanitarian assistance for the thousands of
> > people - mainly mothers and children - who had been driven from their homes,
> > and to create a message of communal peace - of Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Russians,
> > Uighurs, Tajiks and others who were standing together for peace and against
> > murder and hatred. They called together teams of computer experts,
> > technological wizards, social networkers, and activists to build an umbrella
> > coalition:
>
> > "I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan" -"Мен Қирғизистонда тинчлик бўлишини
> > истайман!" in Uzbek, "Мен Кыргызстанга тынчтыкты каалайм!" in Kyrgyz, and "Я
> > хочу мира в Кыргызстане!" in Russian.
>
> > *The "I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan" campaign has five coordinated elements:*
>
> > 1. Use cell phones, databases, and the internet to organize volunteers
> > effectively and to create and disseminate maps (using Google Maps and other
> > techniques) to guide deliveries of aid to victims and to help people to
> > avoid areas in turmoil, burning buildings, and road blocks and ambushes set
> > up by thugs.
>
> > 2. Create a modern campaign for peace in three languages (Kyrygz, Uzbek, and
> > Russian) - with a brand, a logo, street graffiti, slogans, t-shirts,
> > stickers, leaflets, hand-written letters from children, radio interviews and
> > public announcements, text messages, and other means to calm tensions and
> > promote peace. Representatives of the various ethnic groups appear together
> > to pledge peace and to build the rule of law and freedom together.
>
> > 3. Combat disinformation and misinformation that might fuel ethnic hatred
> > and violence, and respond rapidly to malicious rumors and hate campaigns
> > before they bear their evil fruit.
>
> > 4. Contain the spread of reprisals and hatred throughout Central Asia, by
> > providing reliable information to media, helping to combat ethnic smears and
> > suppress revenge attacks against minorities in other countries, and quickly
> > rebutting calls in nearby countries for military intervention into
> > Kyrgyzstan, which carries the very real danger of regional war.
>
> > 5. Create a "Peace Room" (not a "War Room") in CAFMI's Bishkek offices to be
> > open 24 hours a day to coordinate the collection and dissemination of
> > information. Volunteers in the Peace Room utilize cell phones, social
> > networking sites, twitter, text messages, phone trees, and monitor mass
> > media constantly. The CAFMI office is now fully staffed with volunteers and
> > working around the clock.
>
> > The young volunteers and staff of CAFMI are donating their time, risking
> > their lives, and contributing their scarce resources, in a country with a
> > per-capita income of about $2,100. If you'd like to stand with a group of
> > very brave, very determined, and very committed libertarians you can send a
> > tax-deductible donation to the Central Asian Free Market Institute (CAFMI)
> > through
> > Atlas<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT9aUC...>,
> > which has provided support to CAFMI. Please write to
> > Erin.Gr...@AtlasNetwork.org <erin.gr...@atlasnetwork.org> and 100% of your
> > donation will be dedicated to CAFMI's work in Central Asia. Donations of
> > all sizes are welcome.
>
> > It would be a decision you would not regret. (You can follow CAFMI's work
> > on its Facebook page
> > <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT_nlP...>and
> > Namazaliev writes in Russian and in English on
> > NewEurasia.net<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT-3ep...>,
> > Twitter<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT9B5m...>,
> > and other media. He covered the April uprising against Bakiyev's
> > authoritarian regime in *The
> > Independent*<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT8QUb...>
> > and
> > was quoted frequently by
> > CNN<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT8YtR...>and
> > many other news organizations. You can also read more about CAFMI's
> > work on the Atlas
> > website<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT-0k_...>
> > .)
>
> > Your support can make a huge difference in Kyrgyzstan's transition to a
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> > Topic: Dutch skimmers on the job
>
> > dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:15PM -0400 ^
>
> > And if Zero had not fluffed them off when they first offered weeks ago
> > they would have been here all this time. Thank you, Zero. What a
> > guy!! My Hero!! or maybe not.
>
> > Has your Messiah yet told us why he turned down the 13 countries who
> > offered to help out on this mess? Just think. If he had accepted
> > their help then we may not have had all this problem. But he is so
> > intelligent - or at least that is what we are told. Unfortunately he
> > keeps showing us how false that is. You betcha!!
>
> > euwe wrote:
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:08AM -0700 ^
>
> > Sounds like "a surge" doesn't it?
>
> > dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:34PM -0400 ^
>
> > Sounds like a fuckup by the administration but we should be used to
> > that. That is the MO of this administration.
>
> > euwe wrote:
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:29AM -0700 ^
>
> > Would you rather we sent them back?
>
> > dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> Jun 18 02:23PM -0400 ^
>
> > I would rather he had accepted the assistance back when they would have
> > maybe stopped the mess before it got this bad but Bambi was not smart
> > enough to do that.
>
> > euwe wrote:
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 11:37AM -0700 ^
>
> > skimmers won't plug the leak or "stop this mess." But they will help
> > in the clean up.
>
> > Topic: The Government Cannot Protect Us From Every Catastrophe We Face
>
> > "M. Johnson" <micha...@america.net> Jun 18 01:36PM -0400 ^
>
> > So, the government that foolishly limited BP's maximum liability, the
> > government that claimed it knew where best to drill, the government that
> > actually stopped locals from protecting their own shoreline that would be
> > that same government that bankrupted Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
> > the Post Office, Amtrak and virtually everything it has managed now wants to
> > decide who gets BP's cash.
>
> > The Government Cannot Protect Us From Every Catastrophe We Face
>
> > Wednesday, June 16, 2010
>
> > By Judge Andrew Napolitano
>
> > Tuesday night, in an Oval Office speech to the nation, President Obama took
> > the gloves off.
>
> > He lashed out at BP over the monumental oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. He
> > vowed that he will make BP pay for all the long and short-term damage it
> > caused. He argued that the battle against this now nearly two-month-old
> > raging gusher of oil is tantamount to a war. And he asked the country to
> > allow him and the Congress to regulate all businesses and private homes in
> > the name of going green.
>
> > For most Americans, it was the first time they saw him angry although a
> > controlled anger from the no-drama-Obama, as his own campaign staff labeled
> > him two years ago. But will the president's feigned anger get the oil well
> > plugged? Will it get cash into the hands of those truly harmed? Will it
> > prevent future disasters?
>
> > No, no and no.
>
> > Here are the facts: After the Exxon Valdez disaster off Alaska in 1989 had
> > been cleaned up and nearly paid for by Exxon, the oil companies lobbied the
> > Congress for liability limits maximum amounts that they could be held to pay
> > for in the event of a disaster.
>
> > A Republican Congress and President Clinton together made it the law that
> > oil companies would be limited to pay $75 million for cleanups and the
> > taxpayers that would be you would pay the rest. In return, the feds would be
> > able to tell the oil companies where to drill.
>
> > In the case of BP, it asked the state of Louisiana if it could drill in 500
> > feet of water and Louisiana said it could. The federal government vetoed
> > that and told BP could only drill in 5,000 feet of water.
>
> > Never mind that no oil company had ever cleaned up a broken well at that
> > depth and never mind that the feds had never monitored a broken well at that
> > depth and never mind that BP only needed to set aside $75 million in case
> > something went wrong. The feds trumped BP's engineers and the feds trumped
> > the wishes of the folks who live along the Gulf Coast and the feds decided
> > where this oil well would be drilled.
>
> > Disaster struck. The feds did nothing. Oil gushed out in an amount that is
> > so great as to be immeasurable. Political pressure grew.
>
> > The president eventually panicked because he believes that his federal
> > government can right every wrong, regulate every activity and protect us
> > from every catastrophe. He is wrong. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal was
> > ready to build barriers to protect his state's coastline and the feds said
> > no.
>
> > The president even invoked powers that allow him to supervise the cleanup
> > using BP personnel and equipment. And the oil still gushes. Last week, the
> > president stopped all oil drilling in the Gulf putting thousands out of
> > work. Last night he demanded billions from BP so his team could decide who
> > gets it and today a terrified BP gave him all the cash he asked for.
>
> > So, the government that foolishly limited BP's maximum liability, the
> > government that claimed it knew where best to drill, the government that
> > actually stopped locals from protecting their own shoreline that would be
> > that same government that bankrupted Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
> > the Post Office, Amtrak and virtually everything it has managed now wants to
> > decide who gets BP's cash.
>
> > The last time this government had this much private cash to give away,
> > during the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies, it disregarded well-settled law and
> > gave it to the labor unions. To whom will it give this cash the innocent
> > injured or its political friends?
>
> > The government cannot protect us from every catastrophe, especially ones its
> > rules have facilitated. How about this: That government is best which
> > governs least.
>
> > The people have a right to a government that obeys the laws of economics,
> > the laws of physics and the Constitution. Let private enterprise do what it
> > does best and keep politics out of the way.
>
> > If the Constitution was written to keep the government off the people's
> > backs, it is time for the feds to get off.
>
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594783,00.html
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:47AM -0700 ^
>
> > bp - so mistreated. What did they do, anyway? Spill a little oil? poor
> > babies.
>
> > Topic: Obama: 'To rebuild America's economy, rebuild America'
>
> > dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:27PM -0400 ^
>
> > Unfortunately he has done nothing but invest unwisely. What has he
> > accomplished thus far. His jobs program - bit fail. His stimulus -
> > big fail. His tax program - big fail. His cash for clunkers - big
> > fail. His cash for old appliances - big fail. His border protection
> > program - big fail - in fact AZ had to pass their own law because Zero's
> > activities were so disastrous. His healthcare - he had to bribe
> > senators to get the damned thing passed and we already know that people
> > are going to lose their insurance because of it - and doctors are
> > retiring and moving into other professions because of the healthcare
> > program. His savings on the budget is not working - we have trillions
> > more debt because of his stupid additional entitlements programs. He is
> > cutting Medicare which people have been paying for for 40+ years (I have
> > paid in since it started and I have paid max social security for 45
> > years and for 20 of them I paid double - employer and employee both) and
> > he is cutting that as well. Now he wants to cut military pay and
> > military health plans. We have a federal government that claimed that
> > the returning military were terrorists. He has so far insulted every
> > close friendly country we have and made nice to all our enemies. He
> > finds somewhere else to be whenever there is a problem. Remember the
> > ice storms last winter? Zero made campaign stops in all the states
> > around the ones who lost power because of the ice storms but he never
> > stopped in those states. He still has not shown up in Nashville after
> > the flooding there.
>
> > Boy, did you ever support a real loser there. Has he done anything
> > right yet???? Love how he picks his cabinet and administration
> > officials. Failed to pay your taxes? No problem. Bribe candidates
> > not to run for office. Been there and done that. Shame the candidates
> > told us about it.
>
> > Oil spill and ecological disaster? Sorry, got to go to a fund raiser
> > across the country instead and then we got a Beatle coming to the White
> > House. Maybe I can work the disaster in after that. We'll see what
> > comes up.
>
> > euwe wrote:
>
> > dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:30PM -0400 ^
>
> > I would like to see what jobs he created. Is he including the census
> > jobs in that. Are they government jobs? If so, then they are not an
> > asset for the country; they are a liability that has to come out of tax
> > funds. That should be a net loss. And if you depend on Joe Biden to
> > tell you about job savings and creations, then for sure I would want to
> > double check those numbers. Plugs ain't the brightest guy in town.
>
> > BTW they told us already they had saved that many jobs and it turned out
> > that when they did that there was still a net loss of jobs. Bet the
> > same is true with this bunch of hooey.
>
> > euwe wrote:
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:29AM -0700 ^
>
> > Why do you hate America?
>
> > Topic: This one is a can't make this stuff up - the Coast Guard looks
> > stupid here
>
> > dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:08PM -0400 ^
>
> > I bet you put on your helmet and elbow pads and knee pads and goggles to
> > walk to the store.
>
> > euwe wrote:
>
> > dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:09PM -0400 ^
>
> > Who said they were not safe. They may not have had all the equipment
> > the CG wanted them to have but that has nothing to do with whether they
> > are safe or not.
>
> > euwe wrote:
>
> > euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:06AM -0700 ^
>
> > Who said they were not safe.
> > ------------
> > The coast guard. The ships were inspected and grounded "because they
> > did not have the proper fire-fighting and life-saving equipment."
>
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Re: Digest for politicalforum@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 7 Topics
O the good old Bush years when the whole world was spitting on the USA
and thinking that the next crisis after Hitler will be the USA. You
guys should think before you start typing on your keyboards.
and thinking that the next crisis after Hitler will be the USA. You
guys should think before you start typing on your keyboards.
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:25 PM,
<politicalforum+noreply@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Today's Topic Summary
>
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/topics
>
> Why do the Dutch have better skimmers than the US? [6 Updates]
> Obama stops clean up to create bigger disaster [4 Updates]
> I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan [1 Update]
> Dutch skimmers on the job [6 Updates]
> The Government Cannot Protect Us From Every Catastrophe We Face [2 Updates]
> Obama: 'To rebuild America's economy, rebuild America' [3 Updates]
> This one is a can't make this stuff up - the Coast Guard looks stupid here
> [3 Updates]
>
> Topic: Why do the Dutch have better skimmers than the US?
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 11:39AM -0700 ^
>
> socialism?
>
>
>
> bruce majors <bruce.majors@gmail.com> Jun 18 02:43PM -0400 ^
>
> sheeple eating her own patties now
>
> are the Dutch skimmers state owned?
>
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 11:50AM -0700 ^
>
> Yes.
>
>
>
>
> bruce majors <bruce.majors@gmail.com> Jun 18 02:59PM -0400 ^
>
> poor dumb pattie
>
> too stupid to even talk to
>
> if the Dutch government had forced Dutch taxpayers to invest in excess
> skimmers it just has sitting around that would instead show that socialism
> doesn't work
>
> if you were literate you would be able to read about the "calculation
> debate" in the early 20th century that demonstrated that central planners
> always make such Pharonic malinvestments as they have no market price
> signals to guide them
>
> as it turns out, the skimmers belong to a private company
>
> *Royal Dutch Shell*
> plc<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_limited_company>,
> commonly known simply as *Shell*, is a
> multinational<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_corporation>
> petroleum company <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_company> of
> Dutch<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands>
> and British <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> origins. One of
> the six "supermajors <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajor>" (vertically
> integrated <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_integration> private
> sector <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sector> oil
> exploration<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_exploration>
> , natural gas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas>, and
> petroleum<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum> product
> marketing companies), Shell was listed as the world's eighth largest
> corporation for 2010 by
> Forbes.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell#cite_note-1>
> The
> company's headquarters are in The
> Hague<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague>
> , Netherlands
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands>,[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell#cite_note-Shell_International_B.V-2>
> with
> its registered office at the Shell
> Centre<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Centre>
> inLondon <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London>, United
> Kingdom<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>
> .[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell#cite_note-Shell_International_B.V-2>
>
> Shell operates in over 140 countries. In the United
> States<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>,
> the Shell Oil Company <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company>
> subsidiary,
> headquartered in Houston <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston>,
> Texas<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas>,
> is one of its largest businesses.
>
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 12:18PM -0700 ^
>
> the government owns the cleanup equipment, including the skimmers now
> being deployed in the Gulf.
>
>
>
>
> bruce majors <bruce.majors@gmail.com> Jun 18 03:22PM -0400 ^
>
> so the Dutch state owns skimmers it forced Dutch taxpayers to pay for, even
> though Shell owns its own, and having no use for them it offers them to
> Obama
>
> you seem to have provided no link to show that they are state owned
>
> my google still shows that Shell owns skimmers, which the Dutch government
> offered
>
> you don't seem to be able to think abstractly or provide references
>
> so our assessment of you is unchanged
>
>
>
>
> Topic: Obama stops clean up to create bigger disaster
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:12PM -0400 ^
>
> Define unsafe - without regard to what the congress says is unsafe.
> BTW did you realize that the Democratic Congress passed the OSHA bills
> back in the day. Guess who did not have to abide by them. The
> Congress!! So the rest of us had to put up with the OSHA requirements
> but those who worked for Congress did not. Guess the Congress didn't
> believe their own laws then. I would bet the same is true now. You
> can bet that if a coast guard vessel is in trouble and all the CG ships
> do not have the required safety equipment, the CG still goes out.
> They shouldn't because it would not be safe for them.\
>
> Boy are you ever easy!!
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:07AM -0700 ^
>
> Define unsafe
> ----------
> the ships were inspected and grounded because they did not have the
> proper fire-fighting and life-saving equipment. They were therefore,
> unsafe.
>
>
>
>
> frankg <frankg2@gmail.com> Jun 18 12:05PM -0700 ^
>
> This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire
> extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and
> allow the house to burn down? The barges should have been allowed to
> continue to do their thing while inspections and/or corrections were
> made in parallel.
>
> This is just as foolish as the Obama Administration refusing the offer
> from the Dutch to bring in their skimmers because the skimmers are not
> 100% efficient at removing the oil from the water and so could return
> water to the gulf that still contains a tiny amount of oil.
>
> If all of these systems had been put in place immediately the
> environmental disaster would be but a fraction of what we currently
> have. Attempting to defend the USCG or EPA for these decisions is
> impossible. To bad we don't still have Bush in office -- at least then
> no one would be attempting to smooth all this mismanagement over as
> acceptable and proper.
>
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 12:20PM -0700 ^
>
> This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire
> extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and
> allow the house to burn down
> ----------
> if it is an ongoing process, and one of the firetrucks could cause a
> life to be lost because of safety considerations, it would be taken
> out of service until it was safe. Life is more important than
> property.
>
>
>
>
> Topic: I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan
>
> bruce majors <bruce.majors@gmail.com> Jun 18 02:44PM -0400 ^
>
> [image: dove kyrgyz]
>
> During this past month, ethnic violence between Uzbeks and Kyrgyz has
> shook the small country of Kyrgyzstan in central Asia, resulting in over 200
> dead and 120,000 displaced. Throughout the chaos Kyrgyz libertarians led a
> series of coordinated voluntary efforts to provide emergency aid to the
> victims of the vicious attacks and to promote peace throughout the nation
> and the region. Atlas's Tom Palmer has been in regular touch with our
> friends there, and on Tuesday evening he talked to Central Asian Free Market
> Institute<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT_o3pbb3XCRj6ugumGIpbRTFKFCl3iin8SR1zMN9sJW-WxlKKym_OSLdeVEJh2g8brLYN308KvXUL9po8uASF6L2gO4OSkfo5441yBKhkRDdQ==>
> (CAFMI)
> Director Mirsulzhan Namazaliev by Skype, as he was interrupted by a stream
> of volunteers working late into the night in the CAFMI offices. He made
> their resolution clear:
>
> *"We are helping those who are suffering, but we are doing more. For me
> personally this is not only a fight for life. It is a fight for freedom.
> We don't want to be ruled by any authoritarian Central Asian or Russian
> regimes that would exploit this awful violence. The violence we are
> suffering is a provocation designed to generate chaos and to overturn the
> chance for a constitutional regime. We will not stand for it. We want
> peace, we want freedom, and we want a lawful government."*
>
>
> [image: Gulmira Aidaralieva]Palmer was in Kyrgyzstan just last month to work
> with CAFMI and with the new acting minister of economic development, Emil
> Umetaliev, a founding member of CAFMI's board of directors. The CAFMI team
> includes two Atlas Think Tank
> MBA<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT93K44KWVG4S_WyDcQAqh-WMjL9acya4GXoU3qqEBxPVo9z4-CxeVdGpOepdOutyYU9oOeGaRqDBWKbQldiumG5suA6hOnRspGVW7uuPX4FQNirR_huAZmsBMkDBk0yn9o=>graduates
> - co-founder and director, Mirsulzhan Namazaliev, and operations
> manager Gulmira Aidaralieva. There was guarded optimism about the country's
> future, after the corrupt and increasingly authoritarian regime of Kurmanbek
> Bakiyev was ousted in an uprising after he tried to suppress demonstrations
> with deadly force. But there was also fear of Bakiyev's machinations,
> especially after the revelation of a recorded cell phone conversation
> between his son, Maksim, and his brother Janybek (who had given the orders
> to shoot protesters in April), in which they clearly plot violence to derail
> a new constitutional process and regain power, even proposing how many
> "fighters" to hire, arming them with iron bars and other implements, and how
> much to pay them to launch attacks. The recording was chilling. And with the
> money they looted from the country, they found the thugs to launch attacks
> on both Uzbek and Kyrgyz villages, in order to spark revenge attacks. Their
> plans bore fruit this month, as hundreds were murdered, homes and businesses
> were burned, and 120,000 people were made refugees.
>
>
> As Namazaliev remarked, "We will not stand for it."
>
>
> [image: cafmi web]CAFMI's staff and volunteers are almost all under the age
> of 25. Few have backgrounds in defense or security. But they immediately put
> the talents they do have to work. CAFMI volunteers worked with others to
> solicit, gather, and deliver humanitarian assistance for the thousands of
> people - mainly mothers and children - who had been driven from their homes,
> and to create a message of communal peace - of Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Russians,
> Uighurs, Tajiks and others who were standing together for peace and against
> murder and hatred. They called together teams of computer experts,
> technological wizards, social networkers, and activists to build an umbrella
> coalition:
>
> "I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan" -"Мен Қирғизистонда тинчлик бўлишини
> истайман!" in Uzbek, "Мен Кыргызстанга тынчтыкты каалайм!" in Kyrgyz, and "Я
> хочу мира в Кыргызстане!" in Russian.
>
> *The "I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan" campaign has five coordinated elements:*
>
> 1. Use cell phones, databases, and the internet to organize volunteers
> effectively and to create and disseminate maps (using Google Maps and other
> techniques) to guide deliveries of aid to victims and to help people to
> avoid areas in turmoil, burning buildings, and road blocks and ambushes set
> up by thugs.
>
> 2. Create a modern campaign for peace in three languages (Kyrygz, Uzbek, and
> Russian) - with a brand, a logo, street graffiti, slogans, t-shirts,
> stickers, leaflets, hand-written letters from children, radio interviews and
> public announcements, text messages, and other means to calm tensions and
> promote peace. Representatives of the various ethnic groups appear together
> to pledge peace and to build the rule of law and freedom together.
>
> 3. Combat disinformation and misinformation that might fuel ethnic hatred
> and violence, and respond rapidly to malicious rumors and hate campaigns
> before they bear their evil fruit.
>
> 4. Contain the spread of reprisals and hatred throughout Central Asia, by
> providing reliable information to media, helping to combat ethnic smears and
> suppress revenge attacks against minorities in other countries, and quickly
> rebutting calls in nearby countries for military intervention into
> Kyrgyzstan, which carries the very real danger of regional war.
>
> 5. Create a "Peace Room" (not a "War Room") in CAFMI's Bishkek offices to be
> open 24 hours a day to coordinate the collection and dissemination of
> information. Volunteers in the Peace Room utilize cell phones, social
> networking sites, twitter, text messages, phone trees, and monitor mass
> media constantly. The CAFMI office is now fully staffed with volunteers and
> working around the clock.
>
> The young volunteers and staff of CAFMI are donating their time, risking
> their lives, and contributing their scarce resources, in a country with a
> per-capita income of about $2,100. If you'd like to stand with a group of
> very brave, very determined, and very committed libertarians you can send a
> tax-deductible donation to the Central Asian Free Market Institute (CAFMI)
> through
> Atlas<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT9aUCH-5BgE0-o3dCNo8pRcI0UwEa7SuLj5AVEZZoryBCc8yQp5ccaxpLFHOHfkEy7-_Sp-abrs89X2X-reWAmJMDaT6OGxCEt66XNcUKD5YRE3yOJ7ySgvf9Wuydh9Ax0=>,
> which has provided support to CAFMI. Please write to
> Erin.Grant@AtlasNetwork.org <erin.grant@atlasnetwork.org> and 100% of your
> donation will be dedicated to CAFMI's work in Central Asia. Donations of
> all sizes are welcome.
>
> It would be a decision you would not regret. (You can follow CAFMI's work
> on its Facebook page
> <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT_nlPHC2CKGg4vF44JpP6WEnNx0frRZcHgA7p7G-3CnpdRfgW9GQHDRStnIAAMTM252J1URvl0jTltIFa0P2XehaA0k6MnKTfB118voXu6_nkpoOxj4pP2lafSC4N9jOmIEhG55aJHVHpVgvL7NYkLlNzzhcz8z5x0tzx7OHS5cy9RNGGakWSJ7gr6CFVGvQko=>and
> Namazaliev writes in Russian and in English on
> NewEurasia.net<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT-3ephB9FnnbLHhBckVHJ30y_hzAa6j9Dlyrn03BZT1Hfpg1dLHWIJXIDJygwC3jfmPrcoXKXcit_GVSlDq_bWiz88XtaemBANjsmHvO8Jz5AtdEdLLTIHeXhVF16qvdbqLwB1PgZJUVHszH8d99c5k>,
> Twitter<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT9B5mQ4o7l0SLAHUJjXw71YExS0XJ_-lcqo_F76HSE52ms6e1RVjenpqzDHeHEoV_puKgHOc3PqiF9_pgCzgP68USBB4CVxTHcT74BoI-Z43g==>,
> and other media. He covered the April uprising against Bakiyev's
> authoritarian regime in *The
> Independent*<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT8QUbbaa2M59FQJJ4bt3nn84ZkpfoiYajOjsVdGd7hFsvW1repdKc4p0dA34xXPApUyu0QCD0mth3B88-z7Rtj48-SQzcw5CYuY8UMjIbg7We7wPhgaDFJft8so0Pz4X2MXkIVVd-MQ3jUVqP3NQ5PS4hTqrcr85vzX5f27Ck2vyhdxOl0EN0fpYSem57BipExJTDOtv2l4xT6cVw1VjtPhdN18ob6N1k8mfukT1VkYUw==>
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> Topic: Dutch skimmers on the job
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:15PM -0400 ^
>
> And if Zero had not fluffed them off when they first offered weeks ago
> they would have been here all this time. Thank you, Zero. What a
> guy!! My Hero!! or maybe not.
>
> Has your Messiah yet told us why he turned down the 13 countries who
> offered to help out on this mess? Just think. If he had accepted
> their help then we may not have had all this problem. But he is so
> intelligent - or at least that is what we are told. Unfortunately he
> keeps showing us how false that is. You betcha!!
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:08AM -0700 ^
>
> Sounds like "a surge" doesn't it?
>
>
>
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:34PM -0400 ^
>
> Sounds like a fuckup by the administration but we should be used to
> that. That is the MO of this administration.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:29AM -0700 ^
>
> Would you rather we sent them back?
>
>
>
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 02:23PM -0400 ^
>
> I would rather he had accepted the assistance back when they would have
> maybe stopped the mess before it got this bad but Bambi was not smart
> enough to do that.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 11:37AM -0700 ^
>
> skimmers won't plug the leak or "stop this mess." But they will help
> in the clean up.
>
>
>
>
> Topic: The Government Cannot Protect Us From Every Catastrophe We Face
>
> "M. Johnson" <michaelj@america.net> Jun 18 01:36PM -0400 ^
>
> So, the government that foolishly limited BP's maximum liability, the
> government that claimed it knew where best to drill, the government that
> actually stopped locals from protecting their own shoreline that would be
> that same government that bankrupted Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
> the Post Office, Amtrak and virtually everything it has managed now wants to
> decide who gets BP's cash.
>
> The Government Cannot Protect Us From Every Catastrophe We Face
>
> Wednesday, June 16, 2010
>
> By Judge Andrew Napolitano
>
> Tuesday night, in an Oval Office speech to the nation, President Obama took
> the gloves off.
>
> He lashed out at BP over the monumental oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. He
> vowed that he will make BP pay for all the long and short-term damage it
> caused. He argued that the battle against this now nearly two-month-old
> raging gusher of oil is tantamount to a war. And he asked the country to
> allow him and the Congress to regulate all businesses and private homes in
> the name of going green.
>
> For most Americans, it was the first time they saw him angry although a
> controlled anger from the no-drama-Obama, as his own campaign staff labeled
> him two years ago. But will the president's feigned anger get the oil well
> plugged? Will it get cash into the hands of those truly harmed? Will it
> prevent future disasters?
>
> No, no and no.
>
> Here are the facts: After the Exxon Valdez disaster off Alaska in 1989 had
> been cleaned up and nearly paid for by Exxon, the oil companies lobbied the
> Congress for liability limits maximum amounts that they could be held to pay
> for in the event of a disaster.
>
> A Republican Congress and President Clinton together made it the law that
> oil companies would be limited to pay $75 million for cleanups and the
> taxpayers that would be you would pay the rest. In return, the feds would be
> able to tell the oil companies where to drill.
>
> In the case of BP, it asked the state of Louisiana if it could drill in 500
> feet of water and Louisiana said it could. The federal government vetoed
> that and told BP could only drill in 5,000 feet of water.
>
> Never mind that no oil company had ever cleaned up a broken well at that
> depth and never mind that the feds had never monitored a broken well at that
> depth and never mind that BP only needed to set aside $75 million in case
> something went wrong. The feds trumped BP's engineers and the feds trumped
> the wishes of the folks who live along the Gulf Coast and the feds decided
> where this oil well would be drilled.
>
> Disaster struck. The feds did nothing. Oil gushed out in an amount that is
> so great as to be immeasurable. Political pressure grew.
>
> The president eventually panicked because he believes that his federal
> government can right every wrong, regulate every activity and protect us
> from every catastrophe. He is wrong. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal was
> ready to build barriers to protect his state's coastline and the feds said
> no.
>
> The president even invoked powers that allow him to supervise the cleanup
> using BP personnel and equipment. And the oil still gushes. Last week, the
> president stopped all oil drilling in the Gulf putting thousands out of
> work. Last night he demanded billions from BP so his team could decide who
> gets it and today a terrified BP gave him all the cash he asked for.
>
> So, the government that foolishly limited BP's maximum liability, the
> government that claimed it knew where best to drill, the government that
> actually stopped locals from protecting their own shoreline that would be
> that same government that bankrupted Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
> the Post Office, Amtrak and virtually everything it has managed now wants to
> decide who gets BP's cash.
>
> The last time this government had this much private cash to give away,
> during the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies, it disregarded well-settled law and
> gave it to the labor unions. To whom will it give this cash the innocent
> injured or its political friends?
>
> The government cannot protect us from every catastrophe, especially ones its
> rules have facilitated. How about this: That government is best which
> governs least.
>
> The people have a right to a government that obeys the laws of economics,
> the laws of physics and the Constitution. Let private enterprise do what it
> does best and keep politics out of the way.
>
> If the Constitution was written to keep the government off the people's
> backs, it is time for the feds to get off.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594783,00.html
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:47AM -0700 ^
>
> bp - so mistreated. What did they do, anyway? Spill a little oil? poor
> babies.
>
>
>
>
> Topic: Obama: 'To rebuild America's economy, rebuild America'
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:27PM -0400 ^
>
> Unfortunately he has done nothing but invest unwisely. What has he
> accomplished thus far. His jobs program - bit fail. His stimulus -
> big fail. His tax program - big fail. His cash for clunkers - big
> fail. His cash for old appliances - big fail. His border protection
> program - big fail - in fact AZ had to pass their own law because Zero's
> activities were so disastrous. His healthcare - he had to bribe
> senators to get the damned thing passed and we already know that people
> are going to lose their insurance because of it - and doctors are
> retiring and moving into other professions because of the healthcare
> program. His savings on the budget is not working - we have trillions
> more debt because of his stupid additional entitlements programs. He is
> cutting Medicare which people have been paying for for 40+ years (I have
> paid in since it started and I have paid max social security for 45
> years and for 20 of them I paid double - employer and employee both) and
> he is cutting that as well. Now he wants to cut military pay and
> military health plans. We have a federal government that claimed that
> the returning military were terrorists. He has so far insulted every
> close friendly country we have and made nice to all our enemies. He
> finds somewhere else to be whenever there is a problem. Remember the
> ice storms last winter? Zero made campaign stops in all the states
> around the ones who lost power because of the ice storms but he never
> stopped in those states. He still has not shown up in Nashville after
> the flooding there.
>
> Boy, did you ever support a real loser there. Has he done anything
> right yet???? Love how he picks his cabinet and administration
> officials. Failed to pay your taxes? No problem. Bribe candidates
> not to run for office. Been there and done that. Shame the candidates
> told us about it.
>
> Oil spill and ecological disaster? Sorry, got to go to a fund raiser
> across the country instead and then we got a Beatle coming to the White
> House. Maybe I can work the disaster in after that. We'll see what
> comes up.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:30PM -0400 ^
>
> I would like to see what jobs he created. Is he including the census
> jobs in that. Are they government jobs? If so, then they are not an
> asset for the country; they are a liability that has to come out of tax
> funds. That should be a net loss. And if you depend on Joe Biden to
> tell you about job savings and creations, then for sure I would want to
> double check those numbers. Plugs ain't the brightest guy in town.
>
> BTW they told us already they had saved that many jobs and it turned out
> that when they did that there was still a net loss of jobs. Bet the
> same is true with this bunch of hooey.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:29AM -0700 ^
>
> Why do you hate America?
>
>
>
>
> Topic: This one is a can't make this stuff up - the Coast Guard looks
> stupid here
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:08PM -0400 ^
>
> I bet you put on your helmet and elbow pads and knee pads and goggles to
> walk to the store.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:09PM -0400 ^
>
> Who said they were not safe. They may not have had all the equipment
> the CG wanted them to have but that has nothing to do with whether they
> are safe or not.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:06AM -0700 ^
>
> Who said they were not safe.
> ------------
> The coast guard. The ships were inspected and grounded "because they
> did not have the proper fire-fighting and life-saving equipment."
>
>
>
>
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Re: Post-War Plans See Afghanistan as 51st State
Afghanistan as 51st State
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not necessarily in this order
51 - Peurto Rico
52 - Israel
53 - Mexico
54 - Canada
55 - Afghanistan
56 - Iraq
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not necessarily in this order
51 - Peurto Rico
52 - Israel
53 - Mexico
54 - Canada
55 - Afghanistan
56 - Iraq
On Jun 19, 5:51 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i77049
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Re: Black woman with one white boob And one black boob
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3586542,00.html
On Jun 20, 9:27 am, bruce majors <bruce.maj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought it was a half-black boob?
>
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 10:23 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > wrote:
> > caption "I like you better"
>
> > On Jun 19, 1:41 pm, euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > caption "America thanks you for lying about Yellow Cake."
>
> > > On Jun 19, 8:40 am, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Black woman with one white boob
> > > > And one black boob
>
> > > > This is so bad I am only sending it out to certain people
> > > > That I thought could handle it.
>
> > > > ...unbelievable...
>
> > > > …photo of a woman with different colored boobs..
>
> > > > =
>
> > > > image001133.jpg
> > > > 42KViewDownload
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Re: Black woman with one white boob And one black boob
I thought it was a half-black boob?
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On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 10:23 AM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
caption "I like you better"
On Jun 19, 1:41 pm, euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> caption "America thanks you for lying about Yellow Cake."
>
> On Jun 19, 8:40 am, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Black woman with one white boob
> > And one black boob
>
> > This is so bad I am only sending it out to certain people
> > That I thought could handle it.
>
> > ...unbelievable...
>
> > …photo of a woman with different colored boobs..
>
> > =
>
> > image001133.jpg
> > 42KViewDownload
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Something to think about - kinda worrisome
17
Jun
House Resolution 615
Seems I can’t keep my nose out of trouble. I signed up for something at some point and now I get interesting emails that keep me thinking. I was sent THIS LINK to vote on the House Resolution 615. What I found more interesting where the comments below. I have not read every comment, but quite a few. It has been very civil. It has also shown both points of view on the health care topic.
One of the comments mentioned about the health care bill:
In the law there are over 800 instances where it says, “…the Secretary shall…”, and what the Secretary “shall” do is write thousands of rules and regulations that will make the law very different than what the politicians didn’t read before they passed it.
Huh? Is that true? I guess I have more research to do on where my life is being directed by our government. I shall also have to make sure the Secretary believes the same stuff I do if that statement is true… OH, why am I so interested in health care? Because I need it for my family. With all the issues we have, I need good health care to cover the costs and keep the costs low enough for us to afford. And no, I didn’t like the health care bill that was put out initially… yes I did read quite a few pages of it but gave up after a while. I didn’t like what I read at the beginning, I’m sure I wasn’t going to like the rest. Now it looks like I’m going to have to go do it again so I’m better prepared to vote. Sigh.
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Re: Black woman with one white boob And one black boob
caption "I like you better"
On Jun 19, 1:41 pm, euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> caption "America thanks you for lying about Yellow Cake."
>
> On Jun 19, 8:40 am, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Black woman with one white boob
> > And one black boob
>
> > This is so bad I am only sending it out to certain people
> > That I thought could handle it.
>
> > ...unbelievable...
>
> > …photo of a woman with different colored boobs..
>
> > =
>
> > image001133.jpg
> > 42KViewDownload
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Re: End the Drug War
End the Drug War
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good idea!
---
good idea!
but also stop using my tax dollars to rehab those who ruin their lives
with drugs and alcohol
and stop making insurance companies cover those who ruin their lives
with drugs and alcohol
in short - make those who use drugs and alcohol responsible for the
damage they cause
that includes their children
On Jun 19, 5:52 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *End the Drug War *
> John Stossel
> Wednesday, June 16, 2010
>
> I'm confused. When I walk around busy midtown Manhattan, I often smell
> marijuana.
> Despite the crowds, some people smoke weed in public. Usually the police
> leave them alone,
> and yet other times they act like a military force engaged in urban combat.
> This February, cops stormed a Columbia, Mo., home, killed the family dog and
> terrorized a 7-year-old boy -- for what? A tiny quantity of marijuana.
>
> Two years ago, in Prince George's County, Md., cops raided Cheye Calvo's
> home --
> all because a box of marijuana was randomly shipped to his wife as part of a
>
> smuggling operation. Only later did the police learn that Calvo was innocent
> --
> and the mayor of that town.
>
> "When this first happened, I assumed it was just a terrible, terrible
> mistake," Calvo said.
> "But the more I looked into it, the more I realized (it was) business as
> usual that
> brought the police through our front door. This is just what they do. We
> just don't
> hear about it. The only reason people heard about my story is that I
> happened to
> be a clean-cut white mayor."
>
> Radley Balko of Reason magazine says more than a hundred police SWAT
> raids are conducted every day. Does the use of illicit drugs really justify
> the
> militarization of the police, the violent disregard for our civil liberties
> and the
> overpopulation of our prisons? It seems hard to believe.
>
> I understand that people on drugs can do terrible harm -- wreck lives and
> hurt people.
> But that's true for alcohol, too. But alcohol prohibition didn't work.
> It created Al Capone and organized crime. Now drug prohibition funds nasty
> Mexican gangs and the Taliban. Is it worth it? I don't think so.
>
> Everything can be abused, but that doesn't mean government can stop it,
> or should try to stop it. Government goes astray when it tries to protect us
> from ourselves.
>
> Many people fear that if drugs were legal, there would be much more use and
> abuse.
> That's possible, but there is little evidence to support that assumption.
> In the Netherlands, marijuana has been legal for years.
> Yet the Dutch are actually less likely to smoke than Americans.
> Thirty-eight percent of American adolescents have smoked pot,
> while only 20 percent of Dutch teens have. One Dutch official told me that
> "we've succeeded in making pot boring."
>
> By contrast, what good has the drug war done? It's been 40 years since
> Richard Nixon declared war on drugs. Since then, government has spent
> billions and officials keep announcing their "successes." They are always
> holding press conferences showing off big drug busts. So it's not like
> authorities
> aren't trying.
>
> We've locked up 2.3 million people, a higher percentage than any other
> country.
> That allows China to criticize America's human-rights record because our
> prisons
> are "packed with inmates."
>
> Yet drugs are still everywhere. The war on drugs wrecks far more lives than
> drugs do!
>
> Need more proof? Fox News runs stories about Mexican cocaine cartels and
> marijuana gangs that smuggle drugs into Arizona. Few stop to think that
> legalization
> would end the violence. There are no Corona beer smugglers. Beer sellers
> don't smuggle.
> They simply ship their product. Drug laws cause drug crime.
>
> The drug trade moved to Mexico partly because our government funded
> narcotics
> police in Colombia and sprayed the growing fields with herbicides. We
> announced
> it was a success! We cut way back on the Colombian drug trade.
>
> But so what? All we did was squeeze the balloon. The drug trade moved across
> the
> border to Peru, and now it's moved to Mexico. So the new president of Mexico
> is
> squeezing the balloon. Now the trade and the violence are spilling over the
> border
> into the United States.
>
> That's what I call progress. It the kind of progress we don't need.
>
> Economist Ludwig von Mises wrote: "(O)nce the principle is admitted that it
> is the
> duty of the government to protect the individual against his own foolishness
> ...
> (w)hy not prevent him from reading bad books and bad plays ... ? The
> mischief done
> by bad ideologies is more pernicious ... than that done by narcotic drugs."
>
> Right on, Ludwig!
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