Tommy,
Why don't you just google "homosexuality islam" and begin reading.
Simply saying Mark and Keith are wrong does not make it so. Here are a
couple of excerpts;
** From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
LGBT_topics_and_Islam) **
Given the vagueness of the Qur'an regarding the punishment of liwat,
Islamic jurists have turned to the collections of the hadith (sayings
of Muhammad) and akhbar (accounts of his life). These, on the other
hand, are perfectly clear and particularly harsh.[11]
Ibn al-Jawzi[disambiguation needed] records Muhammad as cursing
sodomites in several hadith, and recommending the death penalty for
both the active and passive partners in same-sex acts.[12]
Sunan al-Tirmidhi, again reports Muhammad as having prescribed the
death penalty for both the active and the passive partner: "Whoever
you find committing the sin of the people of Lut, kill them, both the
one who does it and the one to whom it is done."[1] The overall moral
or theological principle is that a person who performs such actions
(luti) challenges the harmony of God's creation, and is therefore a
revolt against God.
** From ReligionFacts (http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/
islam.htm) **
Homosexuality Laws in Modern Islamic Countries
Same-sex intercourse carries the death penalty in five officially
Muslim nations: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Mauritania, Sudan, and Yemen. [3]
It formerly carried the death penalty in Afghanistan under the
Taliban, and in Iraq under a 2001 decree by Saddam Hussein. The legal
situation in the United Arab Emirates is unclear. In many Muslim
nations, such as Bahrain, Qatar, Algeria or the Maldives,
homosexuality is punished with jail time, fines or corporal
punishment. In some Muslim-majority nations, such as Turkey, Jordan,
Egypt, or Mali, same-sex intercourse is not forbidden by law. However,
in Egypt gays have been the victims of laws against "morality".
In Saudi Arabia, the maximium punishment for homosexuality is public
execution, but the government will use other punishments, i.e. fines,
jail time and whipping as alternatives, unless it feels that
homosexuals are challenging state authority by engaging in a gay
rights movement. [4] Iran is perhaps the nation to execute the largest
number of its citizens for homosexuality. Since its Islamic revolution
in Iran, the Iranian government has executed more than 4000 people
charged with homosexual acts. In Afghanistan after the fall of the
Taliban homosexuality went from a capital crime to one that it
punished with fines and prison sentence, and a similar situation seems
to have occurred in Iraq.
Most international human rights organizations, such as Human Rights
Watch and Amnesty International, condemn laws that make homosexual
relations between consenting adults a crime. Since 1994 the United
Nations Human Rights Committee has also ruled that such laws violated
the right to privacy guaranteed in the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights and the International Covent on Civil and Political Rights.
However (except for nations such as Turkey that were required to
change their laws to be eligible to join the European Union) most
Muslim nations insist that such laws are neccesary to preserve Islamic
morality and virtue. Of the nations with a majority of Muslim, only
Lebanon has an internal effort to legalize homosexuality. However,
some Muslims have expressed criticism of the legal sanctions used
against homosexuality.
On Feb 4, 2:45 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Republican Party which once stood for individual rights has been
> taken over by the theocrats of Christianity.
>
> I strongly suggest you learn more about the peace loving majority of Muslims.
>
> There are extremists in every faith, especially among the Fundie
> "Christian" Reich wingnuts. Just look at looney Michelle Bachmann.
>
> On 2/4/11, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Tommie, you only need look at the "Moderate" Muslims in Republica Sprksa,
> > Kosovo, and what was formerly known as Yugoslavia to see what happens to,
> > "moderate Muslims". They are considered infidels, just as you are
> > considered.
>
> > It is you that is blind and ignorant to Islam. You really don't know what
> > you are talking about. I suggest that you read, study, maybe even travel a
> > bit, and find out what the Hell it is that you are referencing. (Hint: It
> > is not I, that looks like an ignoramous......It is you)
>
> > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Tommy,
>
> >> Sorry to inform you of this but.... The two most "moderate" islamic
> >> countries are Turkey and Tunisia. You will find that these practices while
> >> being "illegal" are seldom prosecuted. As I have posted previously on this
> >> forum my daughter in law is a Muslim from Turkey... her parents are
> >> considered "moderates" there. Her Uncle had her cousin flogged for dating
> >> a
> >> Kurd. When she Married him he had her stoned... He is a local "hero".
>
> >> He is also not the only one. I do wish that you would get an education or
> >> at least travel and see what is going on rather than continue to keep your
> >> head buried in the sand. While most Muslims may not DO this, they do
> >> support
> >> the religious "right" to do so.
>
> >> There are no gays in Iran !!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpuJ4rHjBk4
>
> >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Wrong again, Markie Mark.
>
> >>> Your knowlege of Islam is false, limited, illogical, hate filled, and
> >>> extremely naive. You appear to believe that a few extremists are the
> >>> majority, which they most certainly are NOT!
> >>> Who annointed you, anyway, yourself?
> >>> You are just another misguided Islamophobe.
>
> >>> On 2/4/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Tommy,
>
> >>> > The problem is that your ignorance is blinding you. The right to
> >>> > "Honor Killings", public flogging, stoning for the adulterous act of
> >>> > having been raped, hanging gays/lesbians etc are MAINSTREAM Islam
> >>> > items...
>
> >>> > It is wonderful to see that you support these things.
>
> >>> > On Feb 4, 8:36 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> Lil Kiethe Kieth-
>
> >>> >> This racist rant makes you look like a complete ignoramus.
>
> >>> >> Sure, there are Islamic extremists, just as there are Right Wingnut
> >>> >> extremists, and extremists in many groups.
>
> >>> >> Most Muslims, the vast majority, are not as you perceive them with
> >>> >> your racist, prejudiced hate, lies, and false smear.
>
> >>> >> I was really reacting to the hateful and false title of this thread,
> >>> >> "The White House Jihadist, Obama, Stands by Muslim Brotherhood
> >>> >> Endorsement
> >>> >> President Obama"
>
> >>> >> President Obama is most certainly not a "Jihadist", or a Muslim, and
> >>> >> he most certainly does not "Stand by Muslim Brotherhood Endorsement".
>
> >>> >> Your hate and Islamophobia are showing again, and you obviously do not
> >>> >> understand Islam at all. Your Reich wing fear smear is naive, hateful,
> >>> >> and very, very false. You are a liar.
>
> >>> >> On 2/4/11, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >> > Hello Sage!
>
> >>> >> > Thank you for adding but one more voice of reason, logic and dismay,
> >>> >> > towards
> >>> >> > one of Tom For News' posts.
>
> >>> >> > Obviously, Tom dosen't understand Islam, and the threat that it
> >>> >> > poses
> >>> to
> >>> >> > Western Civilization. It is out of ignorance that he speaks.
>
> >>> >> > What is ironic, is Islam's treatment of homosexuality, a lifestyle
> >>> and
> >>> >> > sexual antics that Tom defends, embraces and participates.
>
> >>> >> > I won't post them today, but previously, I have posted the results
> >>> >> > of
> >>> >> > those
> >>> >> > who were accused of homosexual acts in theological Islamic
> >>> >> > societies.
> >>> >> > The
> >>> >> > penalties are harsh.
>
> >>> >> > Yet Tom defends these practices, and would call any of us who
> >>> >> > condemn
> >>> >> > them
> >>> >> > "Islamophobes".
>
> >>> >> > Once again, this demonstrates why Tom is a Moonbat. Tom is
> >>> literally
> >>> >> > ignorant of what he speaks.
>
> >>> >> > KeithInKöln
>
> >>> >> > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Sage2 <wisdom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >> >> On Feb 2, 8:13 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >> >> Tommie! Tommie! Tommie !
>
> >>> >> >> Islamophobia would insinuate an irrational fear. As opposed
> >>> >> >> to
> >>> >> >> what your irrational love for Islam. Jihad against westerners,
> >>> Sharia
> >>> >> >> Law, honor killings, a caliphate, beheading, terror bombers,
> >>> >> >> assassin's, women beating ,etc; and somehow to you and your ilk
> >>> >> >> this
> >>> >> >> is all rational !?
>
> >>> >> >> > Little Travis-
>
> >>> >> >> > Please refrain from sending your Reich wingnut Islamophobic
> >>> >> >> > anti-American hate, lies, and false smear!
>
> >>> >> >> > This makes you look like a complete moron.
>
> >>> >> >> > On 2/2/11, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >> >> > > <http://twg2a.wordpress.com/author/twg2a/> The White House
> >>> >> >> Jihadist,
> >>> >> >> > > Obama, Stands by Muslim Brotherhood Endorsement
> >>> >> >> > > <
>
> >>>http://twg2a.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/the-white-house-jihadist-obama-...>
> >>> >> >> > > *twg2a PitBull <http://twg2a.wordpress.com/author/twg2a/>* |
> >>> >> >> > > February
> >>> >> >> 2,
> >>> >> >> > > 2011 at 12:46 | Categories:
> >>> >> >> > > Communism/Marxism/Racism<
> >>> >> >>http://twg2a.wordpress.com/?category_name=communismmarxismracism>,
> >>> >> >> > > Islam <http://twg2a.wordpress.com/?category_name=islam> | URL:
> >>> >> >> > >http://wp.me/pMJTI-Ky
>
> >>> >> >> > > Obama proved, long ago, his allegiance to his brothers in
> >>> >> >> > > islam.
> >>> >> >> > > The
> >>> >> >> United
> >>> >> >> > > States Of America MUST remove this islamist from OUR White
> >>> House.
> >>> >> >> Before
> >>> >> >> > > it's too late.
> >>> >> >> > > ********************************************************
> >>> >> >> > > Israel National News by Hillel Fendel For the first time, a
> >>> >> >> > > U.S.
> >>> >> >> government
> >>> >> >> > > supports granting a government role to an extremist Islamic
> >>> >> >> organization:
> >>> >> >> > > the Muslim Brotherhood [...]
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