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Re: Take Action: Stop The Hate! Send A No More Suicides Letter to President Obama and Congress

Bravo Euwe!

Free Kool Aid for the GOP!

On 10/5/10, euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> wrote:

If only bullies would commit suicide instead. Maybe we could design a
drug that makes people with violent profiles (like Republicans) feel
suicidal.

On Oct 5, 8:45 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *You make no sense whatsoever, except that your dismissive lack of tolerance
>  and your homophobia is showing.*
>
> On 10/3/10, DinnerAtMoes <pinto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President Obama and
> > Congress
> > > *
> > > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill, to amend the
> > > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and gender
> > identity.*
>
> > Better yet, there needs to be a law that one's sexual preference is
> > not included as a civil right.  Additionally, should anyone wish to
> > broadcast their sexual preference, they cannot then scream 'Hate
> > Crime' against those who do not immediately affirm the individual's
> > selection.  It is long past time that we put the brakes on additional
> > rights and recognition for those who desire to broadcast their sexual
> > preference.  For something really radical, how about legislation that
> > affirms the individual will be held responsible for the results of
> > their actions and behavior?  Instead of something which can be blamed
> > on some sort of, 'orientation'.
>
> > The American Equality Bill?  What nonsense.  If passed it will
> > become another in a long list of 'No lawyer left behind'.
> > legislation.
>
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Re: Take Action: Stop The Hate! Send A No More Suicides Letter to President Obama and Congress

Brucie may not be smart enough to figure out that there are gay Jews, and Muslims, and Quakers, and blacks, and Asians etc etc. There are even gay Republicans and Libertarians.

Some of them are indeed harmed, tortured and driven into depression and suicide by intolerant homophobic bullies. Even by gay closet cases who are the worst bullies of all.

Hatred must be eradicated, wherever it exists.

On 10/5/10, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:

Unless Mark has a homosexual child he has a strained relationship with I doubt he is causing these problems.

Most Jews, and Moslems, and Quakers, and blacks, and Asians etc etc do not commit suicide, even if many people in their general society dislike them. Because they all at least have the support of their own family.

Tommy may not be smart enough to figure out that his own "liberal" Demwits are a main reason gays kill themselves. Public schools that everyone is forced to go to are where most gays kids are bullied and called names and have to hide their identities cause suicide. Parents of gay kids can't do anything about sending them to other more supportive schools since independent schools are almost outlawed de facto.

In addition, Democratic gays and lesbians like Hillary Rosen and Al Gore's campaign manager Donna Brazille are on TV all the time pretending to be straight so they can get more votes for Democrats. Brazille even went into some borderline porn this summer on how Gov. Perry makes her coochie moist on ABC's "This Week," though everyone I know in DC knows the women she has dated. So your gay political leaders who act ashamed of their sexual orientation are a major cause of the problem.

Maybe if you committed suicide by strapping on a bomb and going to one of your gay Democratic step 'n' fetchit meetings you would take out enough of your fellow bitches to reduce the gay teen suicide rates.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.

On 10/1/10, Mark <mark> wrote:
No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as life itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, both real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal problem. It is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes me to lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever reason) or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Markie, Markie, Markie.

Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.

One suicide is one too many.

No man is an island

No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

-John Donne

On 10/1/10, Mark <markm> wrote:

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,

He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't it ??

So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!"

Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists in EVERY walk of life.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is societal and must be eradicated.

This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men murdered by homophobia in America.

http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-horrific-school-torment-20100928/

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-life-support-following-suicide-attempt-over-anti-gay-bullying/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/story?id=11758716

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Re: Take Action: Stop The Hate! Send A No More Suicides Letter to President Obama and Congress

Oh, but they are weaknesses....... show me ONE that is a strength or that makes you NORMAL. It is a weakness in fact and by definition.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

No Mark. You are misinformed.

Depression is not a weakness, it is a mental illness.

Ilnesses are not weaknesses.

On 10/4/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
*****Depression is something more that a purely "psychological"
condition... it's "social", too.****

Please explain which disease or weakness of the Psyche is not effected by ALL outside influences.... Depression is a weakness... if you want protected because you have it... wear a sign... do not expect different or special treatment by anyone unless you inform them all.

Again, to drive him over the edge he must have been doing something that he found so personally, morally or socially repugnant/unacceptable... for whatever reason and this is and was his OWN problem.

As to candid cameraman... prosecute him.... but NOT for the boys suicide (read the definition).

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, nominal9 <nominal9@yahoo.com> wrote:

Depression is something more that a purely "psychological"
condition... it's "social", too. This young person suicide victim was
doing well enough until he was harassed (at least twice, apparently)
by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely the "recipient" of the
act of being video-recorded in his sex acts (without his knowledge or
consent, against his will) anfd then having those video-recordings
broadcast to the public. This is a two part question of "psychology"
the psychology of the room-mate (as agent/patient) who performed the
act and the the psychology of the Victim (as patient/recipient)
first.. turned (as agent patient) into the performer of his own act of
suicide.

ROOM-MATE
I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate homos / they can live
C(BAD)..........R(BAD)....
I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate homos / want them
dead

VICTIM
love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide
C(GOOD).......R(GOOD)....
love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live

ROOM-MATE
Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy
C(BAD)....R(BAD)....
Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame

VICTIM
hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live
C(BAD) .......R(BAD)......
hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide

Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act" of the ROOMMATE took
on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public shame) of the act that
was performed against him and acted as the ROOM-MATE "wanted" him
to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by the "cruelty" of
someone who could have (should have) been a "friend' (strictly that)
and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he desired...... personally, my
moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me that he should have
killed the ROOM-MATE, instead.

On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy, No.
>
> Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies person to person
> with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. Only those with
> one foot on the ledge can be shoved over.
>
>
>

> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.*

> > **
> > *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts of others,
> > such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.*
> > **
> > *Suicide is caused by many factors.*
>
> > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.*
>

> > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com> wrote:
>
> >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.]
> >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life.
>
> >> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit "self-murder." If
> >> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then that individual
> >> would be guilty of murder.
>
> >> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? If not,
> >> you are jousting at windmills.
>
> >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>
> >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.*
>

> >> On 10/1/10, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as life
> >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, both
> >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do
> >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal problem. It
> >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes me to
> >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever reason)
> >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one.
>

> >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.*
> >>>> **
> >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.*
> >>>> *One suicide is one too many.*
>
> >>>> *No man is an island*
>
> >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man
> >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
> >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
> >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
> >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
> >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me,
> >>>> because I am involved in mankind.
> >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom
> >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
>
> >>>> -John Donne
>

> >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>
> >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing
> >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't it ??
>
> >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!"
>
> >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists in
> >>>>> EVERY walk of life.
>

> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is
> >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. *
>
> >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men murdered
> >>>>>> by homophobia in America.*
>

> >>>>>>http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots...
>
> >>>>>>http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-lif...
>
> >>>>>>http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/...

>
> >>>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the
> >>>>>>> images
> >>>>>>> against the suicide victim's will....
> >>>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or not....
> >>>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle.....
> >>>>>>> nominal9
>
> >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do you
> >>>>>>> know ??
> >>>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.*
> >>>>>>> > *
> >>>>>>> > *
> >>>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something that
> >>>>>>> they find
> >>>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position first
> >>>>>>> rather than
> >>>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.*
>
> >>>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.*
> >>>>>>> > > **
> >>>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not for
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on the
> >>>>>>> internet by
> >>>>>>> > > his straight roomate.*
>
> >>>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a
> >>>>>>> societal
> >>>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids a
> >>>>>>> gay guy then
> >>>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who filmed
> >>>>>>> him should
> >>>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he took
> >>>>>>> his own life
> >>>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other than
> >>>>>>> homophobia,
> >>>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you think
> >>>>>>> it does and
> >>>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do determine
> >>>>>>> if it was
> >>>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy does
> >>>>>>> not get a job
> >>>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that
> >>>>>>> someone better
> >>>>>>> > >> applied also.
>
> >>>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life if
> >>>>>>> he had
> >>>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?*
> >>>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. *
> >>>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate secretly
> >>>>>>> filmed the
> >>>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet.
> >>>>>>> > >> *
> >>>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep shame,
> >>>>>>> ridicule,
> >>>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.*
>
> >>>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!*
>
> >>>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Tommy,
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing and
> >>>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to take
> >>>>>>> his own
> >>>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him.
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind.
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and
> >>>>>>> love of
> >>>>>>> > >>> ones self ???
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President
> >>>>>>> Obama and
> >>>>>>> > >>> Congress
> >>>>>>> > >>> > *
> >>>>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill,
> >>>>>>> to amend
> >>>>>>> > >>> the
> >>>>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and
> >>>>>>> gender
> >>>>>>> > >>> identity.*
> >>>>>>> > >>> > **
> >>>>>>> > >>> > <
>
> >>>>>>>http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in New
> >>>>>>> York
> >>>>>>> > >>> after his
> >>>>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and posted on
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> > >>> internet
> >>>>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have
> >>>>>>> killed
> >>>>>>> > >>> themselves
> >>>>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate!
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif:
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of Brooklyn,
> >>>>>>> NY and
> >>>>>>> > >>> really
> >>>>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems.
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at:
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
> >>>>>>> > >>> > ...
> >>>>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY:
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about homophobia,
> >>>>>>> school
> >>>>>>> > >>> bullying
> >>>>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more suicide
> >>>>>>> letters. ***
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > To President Obama,
> >>>>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, the
> >>>>>>> young man
> >>>>>>> > >>> who
> >>>>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another man
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>> > >>> posted on
> >>>>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 students
> >>>>>>> accused of
> >>>>>>> > >>> this
> >>>>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will be
> >>>>>>> doing a
> >>>>>>> > >>> grave
> >>>>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in this
> >>>>>>> country
> >>>>>>> > >>> who
> >>>>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times
> >>>>>>> greater risk
> >>>>>>> > >>> of
> >>>>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having their
> >>>>>>> private
> >>>>>>> > >>> sexual
> >>>>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it
> >>>>>>> seems
> >>>>>>> > >>> unlikely
> >>>>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if this
> >>>>>>> had been a
> >>>>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would not
>

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Re: Take Action: Stop The Hate! Send A No More Suicides Letter to President Obama and Congress

Yes, I can

1. they are all dead.

2. they did it themselves for whatever reason.

3. they all had an underlying mental problem.

4. they all thought the same thing... "I can't live with (or without) this stigma (or thing)

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Mark no.

Everyone is different.

Every trigger is different.

You canot make such generalisations about suicide victims.

On 10/1/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
Tommy, No.

Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies person to person with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. Only those with one foot on the ledge can be shoved over.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.

You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts of others, such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.

Suicide is caused by many factors.

Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.

On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:

SUICIDE, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.]
1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life.

By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit "self-murder." If someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then that individual would be guilty of murder.

Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? If not, you are jousting at windmills.

On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote:

Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.

On 10/1/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as life itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, both real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal problem. It is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes me to lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever reason) or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Markie, Markie, Markie.

Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.

One suicide is one too many.

No man is an island

No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

-John Donne

On 10/1/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,

He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't it ??

So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!"

Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists in EVERY walk of life.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is societal and must be eradicated.

This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men murdered by homophobia in America.

http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-horrific-school-torment-20100928/

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-life-support-following-suicide-attempt-over-anti-gay-bullying/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/story?id=11758716

On 10/1/10, nominal9 <nominal9@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the images
against the suicide victim's will....
Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or not....
that's a lot for a young person to handle.....
nominal9

On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do you know ??
> He's certainly not talking.*
> *
> *
> *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something that they find
> THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position first rather than
> legislate an entire populace for a personal error.*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.*
> > **
> > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not for the
> > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on the internet by
> > his straight roomate.*
>
> > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a societal
> >> homophobia, never anything else.  And every time anyone kids a gay guy then
> >> it is homophobia, never anything else.   The people who filmed him should
> >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he took his own life
> >> are open to question.   People do things for reasons other than homophobia,
> >> you know.   The world does not revolve for the reasons you think it does and
> >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do determine if it was
> >> homophobia or not.   You seem to think that if a gay guy does not get a job
> >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that someone better
> >> applied also.
>
> >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>
> >>  *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life if he had
> >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?*
> >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. *
> >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate secretly filmed the
> >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet.
> >>  *
> >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep shame, ridicule,
> >> harm, and persecution of gays.*
>
> >> *Think, I know you can!*
>
> >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Tommy,
>
> >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing and
> >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to take his own
> >>> life and why it was so to him.
>
> >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind.
>
> >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and love of
> >>> ones self ???
>
> >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President Obama and
> >>> Congress
> >>> > *
> >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill, to amend
> >>> the
> >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and gender
> >>> identity.*
> >>> > **
> >>> >  <
> >>>http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/>
> >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in New York
> >>> after his
> >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and posted on the
> >>> internet
> >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have killed
> >>> themselves
> >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate!
>
> >>> > From our friend Tif:
>
> >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of Brooklyn, NY and
> >>> really
> >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems.
>
> >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at:
>
> >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
> >>> > ...
> >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY:
>
> >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about homophobia, school
> >>> bullying
> >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more suicide letters. ***
>
> >>> > To President Obama,
> >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, the young man
> >>> who
> >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another man was
> >>> posted on
> >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 students accused of
> >>> this
> >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will be doing a
> >>> grave
> >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in this country
> >>> who
> >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times greater risk
> >>> of
> >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts.
> >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having their private
> >>> sexual
> >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it seems
> >>> unlikely
> >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if this had been a
> >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would not likely
> >>> experience
> >>> > the shame and fear that Mr. Clementi must have felt.
> >>> > Yes, the 2 students accused of this crime must be held accountable for
> >>> their
> >>> > actions, but as a society we must all share responsibility for creating
> >>> an
> >>> > environment that drives young gay people to suicide. This country has
> >>> come a
> >>> > long way toward acceptance of gay people in the last few decades, but
> >>> we
> >>> > still have a long way to go. Young gay people still face bullying and
> >>> abuse
> >>> > at home and at school; many experience ostracism by family and friends;
> >>> > discrimination in school, work, housing and social services; and
> >>> isolation
> >>> > from supportive communities of peers, as well as anti-gay violence in
> >>> public
> >>> > and private. It's no wonder that the shame and fear of 'coming out' can
> >>> be
> >>> > fatal.
> >>> > In the cyber world we now live in, there will undoubtedly be more cases
> >>> of
> >>> > invasions of privacy on the internet. They can be punished, but not
> >>> > prevented. It is up to all of us in this society to make sure that
> >>> young gay
> >>> > people feel safe, secure and accepted, so that shame and fear never
> >>> again
> >>> > result in death.
>
> >>> > Sincerely,
>
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