Tommy obviously has no clue what " zeitgeist " means !
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On Jan 23, 11:12 am, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know who reminded me of this, it was probably you Bruce, but Rosie
> O'Donnell, Charlie Sheen, Cynthia "Queen Moonbat McKinney, Ed Asner,
> Jesse "The Body" (And former voice of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) Ventura,
> Whoopie Goldberg, and a host of other Moonbats are also
> conspiratorialists.....Far from anything remotely considered, "Right
> Wing". Once again, Lil' Tommie continues to spread hate, lies and smear,
> from the likes of a Moonbat like Michele Goldberg, (I'm sure, a good Irish
> American gal)
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > I believe I met Michelle in DC.
>
> > Typical middle brow whoreflak.
>
> > What makes 9/11 conspiracy theorists "right wing"?
>
> > John Stroebel, your fellow Obama supporting yahoogroup spammer, is one, and
> > he was a socialist for years, though lately he has been pretending to like
> > Ron Paul (while continuing to smear anyone who criticizes Odumbie).
>
> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> The Cult Web Film that Inspired Loughner
>
> >> by Michelle Goldberg
>
> >> We now know a little bit more about the matrix of ideas that helped
> >> inspire Jared Loughner's murderous rampage on Saturday. According to a
> >> friend of his interviewed on Good Morning America on Wednesday, the
> >> conspiracy documentary Zeitgeist "poured gasoline on his fire" and had
> >> "a profound impact on Jared Loughner's mindset and how he views the
> >> world that he lives in." He was also, according to his friend's
> >> father, influenced by the documentary Loose Change, a classic of the
> >> 9/11 Truth movement. This does not mean that either of these movies is
> >> responsible for making Loughner do what he did, but it does show how
> >> his madness was shaped by a broader climate of paranoia, and offers a
> >> clue as to why he targeted Gabrielle Giffords.
>
> >> According to his friend, Zach Osler, Loughner "didn't listen to
> >> political radio, he didn't take sides, he wasn't on the left, he
> >> wasn't on the right." Naturally, conservatives have seized upon this
> >> to exonerate themselves of charges of incitement. But it's not that
> >> simple. It's hard to place Zeitgeist and Loose Change on the
> >> conventional partisan spectrum—both come from a shadowy conspiracy-mad
> >> subculture where the far right and the far left meet. Yet it's the
> >> contemporary right, the right of Glenn Beck and the Tea Party, that
> >> has mainstreamed ideas from this demimonde in an unprecedented way.
>
> >> To understand how, it helps to look at the career of Alex Jones, an
> >> Austin radio host and the country's most prominent conspiracy
> >> theorist. Jones was the executive producer of Loose Change, and chunks
> >> of Zeitgeist are taken from his documentary Terrorstorm. Jones
> >> disagrees with elements of Zeitgeist—he's a Christian, while Zeitgeist
> >> attacks religion—but he's said he supports 90 percent of what's in the
> >> movie, and he promotes it on his show. "A lot of people find my work
> >> because of Zeitgeist," he said during an interview with the
> >> documentary's director, Peter Joseph.
>
> >> The point, again, is not that Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, or The Tea Party
> >> are responsible for Loughner's crimes. The point is that he targeted
> >> Giffords for a reason, one rooted in his unhinged interpretation of
> >> recognizable conspiracy theories.
>
> >> Both Zeitgeist and Alex Jones promote the idea that world events are
> >> controlled by a secretive banking cabal that is using debt to enslave
> >> us all. Zeitgeist echoes Alex Jones in warning that the United States
> >> is about to be merged with Canada and Mexico into a "North American
> >> Union" that will use a new currency, the "Amero." "When the time is
> >> right," Zeitgeist informs us, "the North American Union, The European
> >> Union, the African Union, and the Asian Union will be merged together,
> >> forming the final stages of the plan these men have been working on
> >> for over 60 years: a one-world government." This government will
> >> implant microchips in all of our arms. "In the end, everybody will be
> >> locked into a monitored control grid, where every single action you
> >> perform is documented," it says.
>
> >> Zeitgeist, which came out in 2007 and has since spawned two sequels,
> >> is an Internet phenomenon. The two-hour documentary is available for
> >> free online, and according to its creators, it has been viewed tens of
> >> millions of times. Its claims are heatedly debated on Ron Paul forums
> >> and anarchist websites; excerpts appear on numerous Tea Party pages.
> >> It has a global following: When it played in a South African theater,
> >> the Cape Times described it as a "disturbing reminder" of "the subtle
> >> move towards a micro-chipped society, with the world's population
> >> potentially destined to be logged onto a monitored grid, leading up to
> >> a centralized one world economy."
>
> >> The idea of control and manipulation is the movie's real theme,
> >> knitting together its disparate parts. Zeitgeist's second-third
> >> rehashes classic 9/11 Truth theories that purport to show that the
> >> attacks were actually an inside job. This was done, the final section
> >> argues, at the behest of a banking cabal that has repeatedly goaded
> >> the United States into war in order to solidify its wealth and power.
> >> Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at the think tank Political Research
> >> Associates and one of the country's foremost experts on right-wing
> >> movements, points out that Zeitgeist borrows liberally from the G.
> >> Edward Griffin's The Creature from Jekyll Island, an "expose" of the
> >> Federal Reserve System popular with the John Birch Society, Alex
> >> Jones, and some Tea Party groups. It also draws on ideas from the
> >> Protocols of the Elders of Zion, though it never mentions Jews.
>
> >> Right-wing conspiratorial beliefs have long festered on the fringes,
> >> but in the Obama era, they've been injected into the center of our
> >> politics like never before. The distance between figures like Alex
> >> Jones and the contemporary conservative movement has shrunk
> >> alarmingly.
>
> >> Steeped in the rhetoric of the militia movement, Jones has promoted
> >> just about every conspiracy theory out there: He even accused the
> >> Illuminati of putting its symbols in the Starbucks logo as a taunting
> >> show of strength. Though rooted in the right, he also occasionally has
> >> guests from the far left—he's hosted Democratic Congressman Dennis
> >> Kucinich [Kucinich is on the "far left"? -- WH] as well as Texas
> >> Republican Louie Gohmert. His political hero is Ron Paul—he runs
> >> RonPaulWarRoom.com, and Paul is a frequent guest on his radio show.
> >> But until recently, most conservatives disdained him. In 2007,
> >> Michelle Malkin argued that Paul's association with Jones was enough
> >> to disqualify the congressman from participating in GOP primary
> >> debates.
>
> >> Since then, though, Republican politics have become a lot more
> >> paranoid. Tea Party groups and Fox News started echoing Jones'
> >> warnings that the swine flu virus was really a pretext to establish
> >> martial law. Lou Dobbs went on Jones' show in 2008 to discuss the
> >> coming North American Union. In March 2009, Jones released The Obama
> >> Deception, which argued that Obama is the front man for a
> >> transnational oligarchy working to create a one-world totalitarian
> >> state. The day after it came out, the online Fox News show Freedom
> >> Watch did a joint broadcast with him. "I appreciate what you're
> >> exposing," Fox host Andrew Napolitano told Jones. "I must tell you
> >> that there was a time when the types of things that you are warning
> >> against was not discussed openly and publicly." Glenn Beck
> >> fictionalized Jones-style conspiracy theories in his 9/11 truth-themed
> >> novel, The Overton Window.
>
> >> People who study the right have worried for months about the
> >> consequences of paranoid beliefs about treasonous government plots. In
> >> 2009, Berlet authored a report titled, "Toxic to Democracy: Conspiracy
> >> Theories, Demonization and Scapegoating." It traced the history and
> >> dissemination of the kind of conspiracy theories floating around the
> >> right, and said, "People who believe conspiracist allegations
> >> sometimes act on those irrational beliefs, and this has concrete
> >> consequences in the real world."
>
> >> Loughner was caught up in the sort of conspiratorial fantasy Berlet
> >> was describing. His YouTube videos are often unintelligible, but in
> >> their moments of lucidity, they rail against manipulation of the
> >> currency system and the illegitimate power of the federal government,
> >> obsessions of the right-wing populist milieu. In this milieu,
> >> politicians like Gabrielle Giffords weren't simply wrong, they were
> >> agents of an intolerable tyranny manipulating the economy and turning
> >> Americans into slaves. Hence the vitriol and intimations of violence
> >> that scared Giffords and her staff well before Saturday's shooting.
>
> >> The point, again, is not that Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, or The Tea Party
> >> are responsible for Loughner's crimes. The point is that he targeted
> >> Giffords for a reason, one rooted in his unhinged interpretation of
> >> recognizable conspiracy theories. Right-wing activists and politicians
> >> have traded on such theories, giving them far more mainstream exposure
> >> and credibility than they ever had before. Experts on political
> >> violence have been arguing for months that this is extremely
> >> dangerous. People like Loughner are the reason why.
>
> >> To read it all:
>
> >>http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-13/zeitgeist-t...
>
> >> --
> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> >> Have a great day,
> >> Tommy
>
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