On 2/16/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are only TWO genders. Beyond that there are preferences.
>
> On Feb 15, 2:50 pm, Tommy News <
tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No.
>>
>> No. That depends upon your respective genders and the state in which
>> you reside.
>>
>> Same answer as previous.
>>
>> Yes, but why would one want to if one loved someone of the same gender
>> and wanted to marry that person?
>>
>> Your baited questions are both offensive and childish.
>>
>> On 2/15/11, Mark <
markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>> > Tommy,
>>
>> > I and every Gay person have exactly the same rights now. Yes or No ??
>>
>> > I do or don't have the right to marry my best friend and have him
>> > inherit my
>> > wealth, come to my deathbed or file a joint tax return ??
>>
>> > And a gay man ??
>>
>> > We both have a right to marry any woman of our choice for whatever
>> > reason??
>> > yes or No??
>>
>> > Answer the questions AS POSED.
>>
>> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Tommy News <
tommysn...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> Please repeat the question. I did not see it.
>>
>> >> On 2/15/11, Mark <
markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > So exactly when are you going to answer my question, Tommy ???
>>
>> >> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:54 PM, dick thompson
>> >> > <
rhomp2...@earthlink.net>wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Look at Alexander the Great and Roxanne.
>>
>> >> >> And stop trying to ride on the coattails of people that you do not
>> >> >> know
>> >> >> were gay or not.
>>
>> >> >> On 02/15/2011 01:21 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> Wrong again, Keithie. Way, way wrong. You are so misguided and
>> >> >>> blinded
>> >> >>> by your homophobia that you cannot see either straight or gay.
>>
>> >> >>> Marriage equality most certainly and absolutely does NOT "redefine
>> >> >>> marriage" as you and your fellow Reich wing homophobes keep
>> >> >>> shouting
>> >> >>> ad nauseum.
>> >> >>> Men have been marrying other Men and Women have been marrying other
>> >> >>> Women for THOUSANDS of years.
>>
>> >> >>> Look at Alexander The Great and Hephaesteon.
>>
>> >> >>> Look at th Ancient Greeks.
>>
>> >> >>> Look at Sappho and her lesbian wife.
>>
>> >> >>> Look at Michelangelo and his male lovers.
>>
>> >> >>> Etc. Etc. Etc.
>>
>> >> >>> Marriage is a basic human right and an individual personal choice
>> >> >>> we
>> >> >>> call upon the state and federal government to allow same-sex
>> >> >>> couples
>> >> >>> to enter into civil marriages with all the state and federal
>> >> >>> rights,
>> >> >>> responsibilities and protections that civil marriage provides
>>
>> >> >>> Get over it and learn the TRUTH.
>>
>> >> >>> Famous Homosexual Greek Couples
>>
>> >> >>> SOLON and PEISISTRATUS
>> >> >>> The law giver was the erastes of the future tyrant, presumably
>> >> >>> around
>> >> 590
>> >> >>> BCE.
>>
>> >> >>> PEISISTRATUS and CHARMUS [3]
>>
>> >> >>> CHARITON and MELANIPPUS
>> >> >>> The two lovers plotted against Phalaris around 560 BCE. They were
>> >> >>> discovered and tortured to divulge accomplices, but remained
>> >> >>> silent.
>> >> >>> The tyrant, impressed, set them free. Their valor and love were
>> >> >>> celebrated in a Delphic oracle:
>>
>> >> >>> Blessed were Chariton and Melanippus: They showed mortals the way
>> >> >>> to a
>> >> >>> friendship that was divine. [4]
>>
>> >> >>> Aristogeiton and Harmodius
>>
>> >> >>> THEOGNIS of MEGARA and CYRNUS
>> >> >>> The poet, thought to have lived in the sixth c. BCE, addressed many
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> his poems to his young beloved, using them to pass on his wisdom to
>> >> >>> the boy. [5]
>>
>> >> >>> POLYCRATES and SMERDIES
>> >> >>> The love of the tyrant of Samos for his Thracian favorite, some
>> >> >>> time
>> >> >>> between 535 and 515, was recorded by the poet Anacreon. [6]
>>
>> >> >>> ARISTOGEITON and HARMODIUS
>> >> >>> Heroic couple, later lionized by the Athenian democrats, whose 514
>> >> >>> BCE
>> >> >>> plot to assassinate Hippias in was credited with the overthrow of
>> >> >>> tyranny in Athens.
>>
>> >> >>> PARMENIDES of ELEA and ZENO of ELEA
>> >> >>> According to Plato, Zeno was "tall and fair to look upon" and was
>> >> >>> "in
>> >> >>> the days of his youth . . . reported to have been beloved by
>> >> >>> Parmenides." [7] This would have occurred around 475 BCE.
>>
>> >> >>> HIERO I of SYRACUSE and DAELOCHUS
>> >> >>> Hiero, tyrant of Syracuse surrounded himself with pederastic
>> >> >>> intellectuals and had a number of lovers. [8]
>>
>> >> >>> PHIDIAS and AGORACRITUS
>> >> >>> The youth, both beloved and student of the sculptor, is also known
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> his sculpture of Nemesis at Rhamnus. [9]
>>
>> >> >>> PHIDIAS and PANTARKES
>> >> >>> Pantarkes, was an Elian youth and winner of the boys' wrestling
>> >> >>> match
>> >> >>> at the 86th Olympics in 436 BCE. He modeled for one of the figures
>> >> >>> sculpted in the throne of the Olympian Zeus, [10] and Phidias, to
>> >> >>> honor him, carved "Kalos Pantarkes" into the god's little finger.
>> >> >>> [11][12]
>>
>> >> >>> Socrates and Alcibiades
>> >> >>> SOCRATES and ALCIBIADES
>> >> >>> Each is said to have saved the life of the other in battle, and the
>> >> >>> relationship, which took place around 435-430 was said to have been
>> >> >>> chaste.
>>
>> >> >>> CRITIAS and EUTHYDEMOS
>> >> >>> A relationship mocked by Socrates for the brutish physicality of
>> >> >>> Critias' desire.
>>
>> >> >>> XENOPHON and CLINIAS
>> >> >>> Of his eromenos, Xenophon said, "Now I look upon Clinias with more
>> >> >>> pleasure than upon all the other beautiful things which are to be
>> >> >>> seen
>> >> >>> among men; and I would rather be blind as to all the rest of the
>> >> >>> world, than as to Clinias. And I am annoyed even with night and
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> sleep, because then I do not see him; but I am very grateful to the
>> >> >>> sun and to daylight, because they show Clinias to me." [13]
>>
>> >> >>> CALLIAS III and AUTOLYCUS
>> >> >>> The relationship between the two, in 421 BCE, is touched upon in
>> >> >>> Xenophon's Symposium, where Callias entertains both the boy and the
>> >> >>> father. [14]
>>
>> >> >>> THEMISTOCLES and STESILAUS of CEOS
>> >> >>> Around 420 BCE Themistocles competed for the boy's love with
>> >> >>> Aristides. As Plutarch recounts, "... they were rivals for the
>> >> >>> affection of the beautiful Stesilaus of Ceos, and were passionate
>> >> >>> beyond all moderation." [15]
>>
>> >> >>> PYTHEAS and TEISIS
>> >> >>> Pytheas, who was also the guardian of the youth, appointed to that
>> >> >>> position by Teisis' father in his will, is held up as being an
>> >> >>> unwise
>> >> >>> erastes, concerned with impressing his eromenos and as a result
>> >> >>> giving
>> >> >>> him bad advice. [16]
>>
>> >> >>> ARCHEDEMUS and ALCIBIADES II
>> >> >>> In his childhood, Alcibiades II, son of the famous general by the
>> >> >>> same
>> >> >>> name, was notorious for frequenting the house of his erastes,
>> >> >>> drinking, and reclining with him under a single cloak in sight of
>> >> >>> all.
>> >> >>> [17]
>>
>> >> >>> ARCHEBIADES and ALCIBIADES II
>> >> >>> After the death of the older Alcibiades, his old associate and
>> >> >>> co-defendent in the desecration of the Eleusinian mysteries, became
>> >> >>> the erastes of his son, then in his early teens, ransoming him from
>> >> >>> imprisonment, a ransom the boy's father had refused to pay, out of
>> >> >>> disgust with his own son. [18]
>>
>> >> >>> LYSANDER and AGESILAUS II
>> >> >>> Lysander had been the eispnelas of Agesilaus and was instrumental
>> >> >>> in
>> >> >>> the latter's rise to kingship, only to be spurned by him once he
>> >> >>> rose
>> >> >>> to power in 399BCE.
>>
>> >> >>> ARCHIDAMUS and CLEONYMUS
>> >> >>> Archidamus, son of Agesilaus II, is described by Xenophon to have
>> >> >>> been
>> >> >>> in love with the handsome son of Sphodrias. The boy asked his
>> >> >>> eispnelas to intervene with the king in favor of his father in a
>> >> >>> life
>> >> >>> and death legal matter, promising that Archidamus would never be
>> >> >>> ashamed to have befriended him. That proved to be so, as he was the
>> >> >>> first Spartan to die at the battle of Leuctra. [19]
>>
>> >> >>> Hadrian Antinous
>>
>> >> >>> ARCHELAUS I of MACEDON and CRATERUS (or Crateuas)
>> >> >>> The king of Macedon was assassinated in 399 BCE by this eromenos,
>> >> >>> upon
>> >> >>> reneging on a promise to give the boy his daughter in marriage.
>> >> >>> [20]
>>
>> >> >>> AGESILAUS II and MEGABATES
>> >> >>> By taking on the Perisan boy as beloved, the king of Sparta was
>> >> >>> following Spartan law.
>>
>> >> >>> EPAMINONDAS and ASOPICHOS
>> >> >>> A couple famed for their military prowess, such as in their victory
>> >> >>> at
>> >> >>> Leuctra in 371 BCE.
>>
>> >> >>> DEMOSTHENES and CNOSION
>> >> >>> After the orator took in his young beloved, his wife is said to
>> >> >>> have
>> >> >>> bedded the boy in a fit of jealousy, [21] though Aeschines claims
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>> it was Demosthenes who put his own wife in bed with the youth so as
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> get children by him. [22]
>>
>> >> >>> DEMOSTHENES and ARISTARCHUS
>> >> >>> Much of what is known about this relationship comes from the
>> >> >>> speeches
>> >> >>> of Demosthenes' enemy, Aeschines. He accuses Demosthenes of having
>> >> >>> been such a bad erastes to Aristarchus so as not even to deserve
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> name. Among his alleged crimes are his complicity in Aristarchus'
>> >> >>> murder of Nicodemus of Aphidna, whose eyes and tongue were gouged
>> >> >>> out.
>> >> >>> This murder took place while the youth was under Demosthenes'
>> >> >>> tutelage. [23] Another misdeed of Demosthenes, the one allegedly
>> >> >>> disqualifying him from calling himself an erastes, is his pillaging
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> Aristarchus' estate. He is alleged to have pretended being in love
>> >> >>> with the youth so as to get his hands on the boy's inheritance,
>> >> >>> which
>> >> >>> he is said to have squandered and from which he is said to have
>> >> >>> taken
>> >> >>> three talents upon Aristarchus' fleeing into exile so as to avoid a
>> >> >>> trial. [24]
>>
>> >> >>> DEMOSTHENES and ARISTION
>> >> >>> Again, according to Aeschines, Demosthenes had the handsome youth
>> >> >>> in
>> >> >>> his house, engaged in unspeakable behavior: There is a certain
>> >> >>> Aristion, a Plataean..., who as a youth was oustandingly
>> >> >>> good-looking
>> >> >>> and lived for a long time in Demosthenes' house. Allegations about
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> part he was playing ('undergoing or doing what') there vary, and it
>> >> >>> would be most unseemly for me to talk about it. [25]
>>
>> >> >>> PHILIP II of MACEDON and PAUSANIAS
>> >> >>> In 336 BCE Pausanias killed Philip out of jealousy over another
>> >> >>> lover.
>>
>> ...
>>
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