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Re: Crazy Uncle Ron

a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for freedom, prosperity and non-
interventionism ... regardless of how his supporters make you feel

I find your partisanship toward a conservative republican interesting.
I suspect that you have financial incentives to want a continued
invasion on the middle east.

On Dec 22, 12:17 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Afernoon PlainOl;
>
> As I pointed out above:
>
> *Fact: A lot of Ron Paul's supporters are incredibly irritating: *There
> are, without question, plenty of decent folks who support Ron Paul.
> However, for whatever reason, his supporters as a group are far more
> annoying than those of all the other candidates put together. It's like
> every spammers, truther, troll, and flake on the net got together under one
> banner to spam polls and try to annoy everyone into voting for Ron Paul
> (which is, I must admit, a novel strategy).
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:14 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thanks for the Ron Paul promotion material and more proof that
> > imperialist interventionists in the GOP will vote for somebody other
> > than a conservative republican.
>
> > On Dec 22, 11:05 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Some very astute observations by Former Iowa Congressman Greg Ganske
> > > on crazy Uncle Ron:
>
> > > *"Right now it's an anybody-but-Romney primary. If Ron Paul wins Iowa, it
> > > will become anybody-but-Ron Paul going forward."*
>
> > > *"Ron is accusing the speaker of being a hypocrite, I mean that's how he
> > > ends this last ad. Well look, when I was in Congress with Ron, he used to
> > > put in, he would put in hundreds of millions of dollars of appropriations
> > > requests, earmarks. And then he would sit on the floor and he would wait
> > > until the vote was certain that his earmarks would be funded and then he
> > > would put his card in the slot and vote No. So that he could then say
> > with
> > > purity, 'I don't vote for earmarks.'"*
>
> > > *"He doesn't complete the deal. He'd vote against his own earmarks,
> > knowing
> > > that they were going to pass, so he could then have his cake and eat it
> > > too. And you know what, I don't think that that's a totally honest way of
> > > dealing with your fellow colleagues on that. If you truly are against the
> > > earmarks, then you don't put them in and you don't request them." In a
> > way,
> > > he was for the earmarks but he was against the earmarks, if you know
> > what I
> > > mean. I think that is kind of a hypocritical position to take. So I think
> > > people ought to be a little careful when they live in glass houses on
> > this."
> > > *
>
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Re: Crazy Uncle Ron

Good Afernoon PlainOl;

As I pointed out above:

Fact: A lot of Ron Paul's supporters are incredibly irritating: There are, without question, plenty of decent folks who support Ron Paul. However, for whatever reason, his supporters as a group are far more annoying than those of all the other candidates put together. It's like every spammers, truther, troll, and flake on the net got together under one banner to spam polls and try to annoy everyone into voting for Ron Paul (which is, I must admit, a novel strategy).

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:14 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the Ron Paul promotion material and more proof that
imperialist interventionists in the GOP will vote for somebody other
than a conservative republican.

On Dec 22, 11:05 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some very astute observations by Former Iowa Congressman Greg Ganske
> on crazy Uncle Ron:
>

> *"Right now it's an anybody-but-Romney primary. If Ron Paul wins Iowa, it
> will become anybody-but-Ron Paul going forward."*

>
> *"Ron is accusing the speaker of being a hypocrite, I mean that's how he
> ends this last ad. Well look, when I was in Congress with Ron, he used to
> put in, he would put in hundreds of millions of dollars of appropriations
> requests, earmarks. And then he would sit on the floor and he would wait
> until the vote was certain that his earmarks would be funded and then he
> would put his card in the slot and vote No. So that he could then say with

> purity, 'I don't vote for earmarks.'"*

>
> *"He doesn't complete the deal. He'd vote against his own earmarks, knowing
> that they were going to pass, so he could then have his cake and eat it
> too. And you know what, I don't think that that's a totally honest way of
> dealing with your fellow colleagues on that. If you truly are against the
> earmarks, then you don't put them in and you don't request them." In a way,
> he was for the earmarks but he was against the earmarks, if you know what I
> mean. I think that is kind of a hypocritical position to take. So I think
> people ought to be a little careful when they live in glass houses on this."

> *

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Re: A note from Canada

So, Crazy Uncle Ron has voted against his own constiuency's
interests, and
has been opposed to expansion of drilling for hydrocarbons,
----
read it again .... Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling

thus allowing
the United States to become energy independent, in the name of
National
Security,and for the benefit of the American People.
---
an admirable position

On Dec 22, 12:11 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, Crazy Uncle Ron has voted against his own constiuency's interests, and
> has been opposed to expansion of drilling for hydrocarbons, thus allowing
> the United States to become energy independent, in the name of National
> Security,and for the benefit of the American People.
>
> Yep......Some candidate.....
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:03 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I can't find his position on the KP, but he ....
> > Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore.
> > Big Oil profits ok; Big Oil subsidies are not. (Jun 2007)
> > Voted YES on barring EPA from regulating greenhouse gases. (Apr
> > 2011)
> > Voted NO on enforcing limits on CO2 global warming pollution. (Jun
> > 2009)
> > Voted NO on tax credits for renewable electricity, with PAYGO
> > offsets. (Sep 2008)
> > Voted NO on tax incentives for energy production and conservation.
> > (May 2008)
> > Voted NO on tax incentives for renewable energy. (Feb 2008)
> > Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
> > Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
> > Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun
> > 2006)
> > Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun
> > 2006)
> > Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy
> > policy. (Jun 2004)
> > Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov
> > 2003)
> > Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative
> > fuels. (Aug 2001)
> > Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug
> > 2001)
> > Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
> > Repeal the gas tax. (May 2001)
> > Rated 0% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence.
> > (Dec 2006)
> > Bar greenhouse gases from Clean Air Act rules. (Jan 2009)
> > Signed the No Climate Tax Pledge by AFP. (Nov 2010)
> > No EPA regulation of greenhouse gases. (Jan 2011)
> > Tax incentives for US-based alternatives. (Sep 2010)
>
> > On Dec 22, 10:50 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > What is crazy Uncle Ron's position on the proposed Keystone Canadian
> > > Pipeline?
>
> > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > some of us appreciate your concern ... other's will defend Wall Street
> > > > and the bailout til the end of time
>
> > > > a full audit and disclosure by the federal reserve is in order
>
> > > > On Dec 22, 8:40 am, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > *This fellow is a columnist here in Canada. He is a commentator and
> > > > senior
> > > > > editor with the Sun newspaper chain. The nice Canadian one, not the
> > > > sleazy
> > > > > Brit one....LOL.*
> > > > > *
> > > > > *
> > > > > *He comments on Political and financial issues with a bit of a
> > speciality
> > > > > in the climate change issue. *
> > > > > *
> > > > > *
> > > > > *So I hope you won't see this as meddling. Just that I know most
> > > > American's
> > > > > never read newspapers or see media from outside their own country. *
> > > > > *
> > > > > *
> > > > > *So it might be interesting to you to see what us outsiders are
> > thinking.
> > > > > And why we are worried. *
> > > > > *
> > > > > *
> > > > > *Bear*
> > > > > *
> > > > > *
> >http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/12/21/dear-america-get-help--your-frien.
> > > > ..
>
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Re: Crazy Uncle Ron

Thanks for the Ron Paul promotion material and more proof that
imperialist interventionists in the GOP will vote for somebody other
than a conservative republican.

On Dec 22, 11:05 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some very astute observations by Former Iowa Congressman Greg Ganske
> on crazy Uncle Ron:
>
> *"Right now it's an anybody-but-Romney primary. If Ron Paul wins Iowa, it
> will become anybody-but-Ron Paul going forward."*
>
> *"Ron is accusing the speaker of being a hypocrite, I mean that's how he
> ends this last ad. Well look, when I was in Congress with Ron, he used to
> put in, he would put in hundreds of millions of dollars of appropriations
> requests, earmarks. And then he would sit on the floor and he would wait
> until the vote was certain that his earmarks would be funded and then he
> would put his card in the slot and vote No. So that he could then say with
> purity, 'I don't vote for earmarks.'"*
>
> *"He doesn't complete the deal. He'd vote against his own earmarks, knowing
> that they were going to pass, so he could then have his cake and eat it
> too. And you know what, I don't think that that's a totally honest way of
> dealing with your fellow colleagues on that. If you truly are against the
> earmarks, then you don't put them in and you don't request them." In a way,
> he was for the earmarks but he was against the earmarks, if you know what I
> mean. I think that is kind of a hypocritical position to take. So I think
> people ought to be a little careful when they live in glass houses on this."
> *

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Re: A note from Canada

So, Crazy Uncle Ron has voted against his own constiuency's interests, and has been opposed to expansion of drilling for hydrocarbons, thus allowing the United States to become energy independent, in the name of National Security,and for the benefit of the American People.

Yep......Some candidate.....

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:03 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't find his position on the KP, but he ....
Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore.
Big Oil profits ok; Big Oil subsidies are not. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on barring EPA from regulating greenhouse gases. (Apr
2011)
Voted NO on enforcing limits on CO2 global warming pollution. (Jun
2009)
Voted NO on tax credits for renewable electricity, with PAYGO
offsets. (Sep 2008)
Voted NO on tax incentives for energy production and conservation.
(May 2008)
Voted NO on tax incentives for renewable energy. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun
2006)
Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun
2006)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy
policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov
2003)
Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative
fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug
2001)
Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
Repeal the gas tax. (May 2001)
Rated 0% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence.
(Dec 2006)
Bar greenhouse gases from Clean Air Act rules. (Jan 2009)
Signed the No Climate Tax Pledge by AFP. (Nov 2010)
No EPA regulation of greenhouse gases. (Jan 2011)
Tax incentives for US-based alternatives. (Sep 2010)

On Dec 22, 10:50 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is crazy Uncle Ron's position on the proposed Keystone Canadian
> Pipeline?
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > some of us appreciate your concern ... other's will defend Wall Street
> > and the bailout til the end of time
>
> > a full audit and disclosure by the federal reserve is in order
>
> > On Dec 22, 8:40 am, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > *This fellow is a columnist here in Canada. He is a commentator and
> > senior
> > > editor with the Sun newspaper chain. The nice Canadian one, not the
> > sleazy
> > > Brit one....LOL.*
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *He comments on Political and financial issues with a bit of a speciality
> > > in the climate change issue. *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *So I hope you won't see this as meddling. Just that I know most
> > American's
> > > never read newspapers or see media from outside their own country. *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *So it might be interesting to you to see what us outsiders are thinking.
> > > And why we are worried. *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *Bear*
> > > *
> > > *http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/12/21/dear-america-get-help--your-frien.
> > ..
>
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Re: Marines help Santa

you're doing fine, coach ... have a great day!

On Dec 22, 11:46 am, Coach <coachl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> must admit, that was one funny line. If anything these posts will
> help my limited intellect (compared to the rest of you) expand.
>
> On Dec 22, 12:57 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > PlainOl is a confused conservative,
> > ---
> > I reserve the right to have conservative and liberal ideals ... thus
> > no confusion.
>
> > and like us all, is looking for
> > answers! He still has a pretty damn good sense of humor!
> > ---
> > thanks ... backatcha
>
> > again, I appreciate a person who can disagree without destroying
> > everything in the house
>
> > On Dec 21, 11:52 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I gotta tell ya, Coach! That last line by PlainOl is pretty classic!
> > > Made me laugh out loud!!
>
> > > *"you think like a woman on her period cross dressed as an ACLU
> > > representative"*
> > > **
> > > PlainOl is a confused conservative, and like us all, is looking for
> > > answers! He still has a pretty damn good sense of humor!
> > > **
> > > * *
> > > *
>
> > > *
> > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:43 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > plainol says happy holidays and happy new year!
>
> > > > On Dec 21, 8:57 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Coach <coachl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > so let me guess, charity work by the Marines is a zionist xian plot to
> > > > > > overthrow the military through toys for tots, right?
>
> > > > > > On Dec 20, 5:50 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > 1995, the Secretary of Defense approved Toys for Tots as an official
> > > > > > > activity of the U. S. Marine Corps and an official mission of the
> > > > > > > Marine
> > > > > > > Corps Reserve:
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > he also released DoD's 1995 base realignment and closure (BRAC) plan,
> > > > > > > recommending 146 actions. He estimated that implementing BRAC 95
> > > > would
> > > > > > > bring one-time costs of $3.8 billion and net savings of $4 billion
> > > > > > > within a six-year period.
>
> > > > > > > What could possibly be wrong with this?
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > he could have started with important national defense priorities as
> > > > > > > it's not their job to do charity work
>
> > > > > > > The US military is not a charity organization.
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 20, 3:06 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > The Marines have been doing the Toys For Tots campaign since 1948,
> > > > and
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > 1995, the Secretary of Defense approved Toys for Tots as an
> > > > official
> > > > > > > > activity of the U. S. Marine Corps and an official mission of the
> > > > > > Marine
> > > > > > > > Corps Reserve:
>
> > > >http://www.toysfortots.org/about_toys_for_tots/toys_for_tots_program/.
> > > > > > ..
>
> > > > > > > > What could possibly be wrong with this?
>
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:10 PM, plainolamerican
> > > > > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > the U.S. Marines that are stationed at the embassy
> > > > > > > > > in Ottawa, the capital of Canada for the geographically
> > > > challenged,
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > been collecting toys for the local Ronald McDonald house
> > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > since when are US marines supposed to be working for a charity
> > > > > > > > > organization?
>
> > > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 12:10 pm, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *for the last few years the U.S. Marines that are stationed at
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > embassy
> > > > > > > > > > in Ottawa, the capital of Canada for the geographically
> > > > > > challenged, have
> > > > > > > > > > been collecting toys for the local Ronald McDonald house. *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *Even when they are at a soft posting these great guys are
> > > > still
> > > > > > looking
> > > > > > > > > > for ways to help out. *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *Good on 'em *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *Damn cute bunch too. *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *Bear*
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > >http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Santa+lands+Ronald+McDonald+House+w.
> > > > > > > > > ..
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Re: Crazy Uncle Ron

Fact: A lot of Ron Paul's supporters are incredibly irritating: There are, without question, plenty of decent folks who support Ron Paul. However, for whatever reason, his supporters as a group are far more annoying than those of all the other candidates put together. It's like every spammers, truther, troll, and flake on the net got together under one banner to spam polls and try to annoy everyone into voting for Ron Paul (which is, I must admit, a novel strategy).

Fact: Ron Paul is an isolationist: The last time the United States retreated to isolationism was after WW1 and the result was WW2. Since then, the world has become even more interconnected which makes Ron Paul's strategy of retreating behind the walls of Fortress America even more unworkable than it was back in the thirties.

Fact: Ron Paul wants to immediately cut and run in Iraq: Even if you're an isolationist like Ron Paul, the reality is that our foreign policy isn't currently one of isolationism and certain allowances should be made to deal with that reality. Yet, Paul believes we should immediately retreat from Al-Qaeda in Iraq and let that entire nation collapse into genocide and civil war as a result. Maybe, just maybe, Paul's motives are better than those of liberals like Murtha and Kerry, who want to see us lose a war for political gain, but the catastrophic results would be exactly the same.

Fact: Ron Paul excused Al-Qaeda's attacks on America: In the single most repulsive moment of the entire Presidential race so far, Ron Paul excused Al-Qaeda's attack on American with this comment about 9/11,

"They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years."

In other words, America deserved to be attacked by Al-Qaeda.

This is the sort of facile comment you'd expect to hear from an America-hating left winger like Michael Moore or Noam Chomsky, not from a Republican running for President -- or from any Republican in office for that matter. If you want to truly realize how foolish that sort of thinking is, imagine what the reaction would be if we had bombed Egyptian or Indonesian civilians after 9/11 and then justified it by saying "We attacked them because those Muslims have been over here."

Fact: Ron Paul is the single, least electable major candidate running for the presidency in either party: Libertarianism simply is not considered to be a mainstream political philosophy in the United States by most Americans. That's why the Libertarian candidate in 2004, Michael Badnarik, only pulled .3% of the vote. Even more notably, Ron Paul only pulled .47% of the vote when he ran at the top of the Libertarian ticket in 1988. Granted, Paul would do considerably better than that if he ran at the top of the Republican Party ticket, but it's hard to imagine his winning more than, say 35%, of the national vote and a state or two -- even if he were very lucky. In other words, having Ron Paul as the GOP nominee would absolutely guarantee the Democratic nominee a Reaganesque sweep in the election.

Summary: Is Ron Paul serious about small government, enforcing the Constitution, and enforcing the borders? Yes, and those are all admirable qualities. However, he also has a host of enormous flaws that makes him unqualified to be President and undesirable, even as a Republican Congressmen.

Re: A note from Canada

I can't find his position on the KP, but he ....
Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore.
Big Oil profits ok; Big Oil subsidies are not. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on barring EPA from regulating greenhouse gases. (Apr
2011)
Voted NO on enforcing limits on CO2 global warming pollution. (Jun
2009)
Voted NO on tax credits for renewable electricity, with PAYGO
offsets. (Sep 2008)
Voted NO on tax incentives for energy production and conservation.
(May 2008)
Voted NO on tax incentives for renewable energy. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun
2006)
Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun
2006)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy
policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov
2003)
Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative
fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug
2001)
Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
Repeal the gas tax. (May 2001)
Rated 0% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence.
(Dec 2006)
Bar greenhouse gases from Clean Air Act rules. (Jan 2009)
Signed the No Climate Tax Pledge by AFP. (Nov 2010)
No EPA regulation of greenhouse gases. (Jan 2011)
Tax incentives for US-based alternatives. (Sep 2010)

On Dec 22, 10:50 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is crazy Uncle Ron's position on the proposed Keystone Canadian
> Pipeline?
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > some of us appreciate your concern ... other's will defend Wall Street
> > and the bailout til the end of time
>
> > a full audit and disclosure by the federal reserve is in order
>
> > On Dec 22, 8:40 am, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > *This fellow is a columnist here in Canada. He is a commentator and
> > senior
> > > editor with the Sun newspaper chain. The nice Canadian one, not the
> > sleazy
> > > Brit one....LOL.*
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *He comments on Political and financial issues with a bit of a speciality
> > > in the climate change issue. *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *So I hope you won't see this as meddling. Just that I know most
> > American's
> > > never read newspapers or see media from outside their own country. *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *So it might be interesting to you to see what us outsiders are thinking.
> > > And why we are worried. *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *Bear*
> > > *
> > > *http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/12/21/dear-america-get-help--your-frien.
> > ..
>
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Re: Crazy Uncle Ron

More quotes from Crazy Uncle Ron:

On Securing America's border:

"The people that want big fences and guns, sure, we could secure the border. A barbed wire fence with machine guns, that would do the trick. I don't believe that is what America is all about. Every time you think about this toughness on the border and ID cards and REAL IDs, think it's a penalty against the American people too. I think this fence business is designed and may well be used against us and keep us in. In economic turmoil, the people want to leave with their capital and there's capital controls and there's people controls. Every time you think about the fence, think about the fences being used against us, keeping us in."

http://nation.foxnews.com/ron-paul/2011/09/07/ron-paul-border-fence-will-be-used-keep-us

On The Republican Party and Ronald Reagan:

"After years of trying to work through the Republican Party both in and out of government, I have reluctantly concluded that my efforts must be carried on outside the Republican Party......I therefore resign my membership in the Republican Party and enclose my membership card." - Ron Paul, 1987.

Ron Paul "I want to totally disassociate myself from the policies" of GOP & Reagan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2719652/posts

Dems vs Repubs

http://arkansasgopwing.blogspot.com/2011/12/dems-vs-repubs.html

Re: Marines help Santa

must admit, that was one funny line. If anything these posts will
help my limited intellect (compared to the rest of you) expand.

On Dec 22, 12:57 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> PlainOl is a confused conservative,
> ---
> I reserve the right to have conservative and liberal ideals ... thus
> no confusion.
>
> and like us all, is looking for
> answers! He still has a pretty damn good sense of humor!
> ---
> thanks ... backatcha
>
> again, I appreciate a person who can disagree without destroying
> everything in the house
>
> On Dec 21, 11:52 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I gotta tell ya, Coach! That last line by PlainOl is pretty classic!
> > Made me laugh out loud!!
>
> > *"you think like a woman on her period cross dressed as an ACLU
> > representative"*
> > **
> > PlainOl is a confused conservative, and like us all, is looking for
> > answers! He still has a pretty damn good sense of humor!
> > **
> > * *
> > *
>
> > *
> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:43 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > wrote:
> > > plainol says happy holidays and happy new year!
>
> > > On Dec 21, 8:57 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Coach <coachl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > so let me guess, charity work by the Marines is a zionist xian plot to
> > > > > overthrow the military through toys for tots, right?
>
> > > > > On Dec 20, 5:50 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > 1995, the Secretary of Defense approved Toys for Tots as an official
> > > > > > activity of the U. S. Marine Corps and an official mission of the
> > > > > > Marine
> > > > > > Corps Reserve:
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > he also released DoD's 1995 base realignment and closure (BRAC) plan,
> > > > > > recommending 146 actions. He estimated that implementing BRAC 95
> > > would
> > > > > > bring one-time costs of $3.8 billion and net savings of $4 billion
> > > > > > within a six-year period.
>
> > > > > > What could possibly be wrong with this?
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > he could have started with important national defense priorities as
> > > > > > it's not their job to do charity work
>
> > > > > > The US military is not a charity organization.
>
> > > > > > On Dec 20, 3:06 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > The Marines have been doing the Toys For Tots campaign since 1948,
> > > and
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > 1995, the Secretary of Defense approved Toys for Tots as an
> > > official
> > > > > > > activity of the U. S. Marine Corps and an official mission of the
> > > > > Marine
> > > > > > > Corps Reserve:
>
> > >http://www.toysfortots.org/about_toys_for_tots/toys_for_tots_program/.
> > > > > ..
>
> > > > > > > What could possibly be wrong with this?
>
> > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:10 PM, plainolamerican
> > > > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > the U.S. Marines that are stationed at the embassy
> > > > > > > > in Ottawa, the capital of Canada for the geographically
> > > challenged,
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > been collecting toys for the local Ronald McDonald house
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > since when are US marines supposed to be working for a charity
> > > > > > > > organization?
>
> > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 12:10 pm, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *for the last few years the U.S. Marines that are stationed at
> > > the
> > > > > > > > embassy
> > > > > > > > > in Ottawa, the capital of Canada for the geographically
> > > > > challenged, have
> > > > > > > > > been collecting toys for the local Ronald McDonald house. *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *Even when they are at a soft posting these great guys are
> > > still
> > > > > looking
> > > > > > > > > for ways to help out. *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *Good on 'em *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *Damn cute bunch too. *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *Bear*
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > >http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Santa+lands+Ronald+McDonald+House+w.
> > > > > > > > ..
>
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Re: Crazy Uncle Ron

Here are a few quotes from Crazy Uncle Ron:

On Black Americans:

"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." - Ron Paul, 1992

"I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal. "

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2007/06/my_latest_column_the_conservat.php

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/aol-metropolitan/96/05/23/paul.html

"Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began."

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/152192/5_reasons_progressives_should_treat_ron_paul_with_extreme_caution_--_'cuddly'_libertarian_has_some_very_dark_politics?page=2

"AIDS sufferers enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick."

http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter

Crazy Uncle Ron on the 9/11 "Truther" Movement:

CALLER: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001. I'm tired of this bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?

HON. DR. RON PAUL: Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we don't have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there's not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn't going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/05/19/trutheriness-and-ron-paul/

Crazy Uncle Ron on the purported "North American Union" (which we all now know was much ado, about nothing, yet Ron Paul continued to bolster the crazy conspiracy theory)

According to the US government website dedicated to the project, the SPP is neither a treaty nor a formal agreement. Rather, it is a "dialogue" launched by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico, and the United States at a summit in Waco, Texas in March, 2005. What is a "dialogue"? We don't know. What we do know, however, is that Congressional oversight of what might be one of the most significant developments in recent history is non-existent. Congress has had no role at all in a "dialogue" that many see as a plan for a North American union.

Note: The quote is from fellow Crackpot Lou Rockwell's and his Jewish cohort, Murry Rothbard's web site:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul341.html

Dr. Paul published two newsletters: The Ron Paul Political Report and the Ron Paul Survival Report. I have linked PDFs of images from those actual newsletters from the 1980s and 1990s. In the letters, Paul accuses US troops of war crimes in Deser...t Storm, accuses US troops of war crimes in Somalia, implied Pres. Reagan was closely tied to communist Armand Hammer in some sinister conspiracy, maintained that the US and Great Britain should not have gotten involved in the effort against Nazi Germany, accused Sen. Jesse Helms of essentially taking bribes to support Israel, and launched a tirade against Rep. Jack Kemp and Sen. Bob Dole for authoring legislation to close a PLO office in Wash DC (the PLO was a terrorist organization)...

http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc289/LSUfanFR/?mediafilter=images

"Right now it's an anybody-but-Romney primary. If Ron Paul wins Iowa, it will become anybody-but-Ron Paul going forward."

"Ron is accusing the speaker of being a hypocrite, I mean that's how he ends this last ad. Well look, when I was in Congress with Ron, he used to put in, he would put in hundreds of millions of dollars of appropriations requests, earmarks. And then he would sit on the floor and he would wait until the vote was certain that his earmarks would be funded and then he would put his card in the slot and vote No. So that he could then say with purity, 'I don't vote for earmarks.'"

"He doesn't complete the deal. He'd vote against his own earmarks, knowing that they were going to pass, so he could then have his cake and eat it too. And you know what, I don't think that that's a totally honest way of dealing with your fellow colleagues on that. If you truly are against the earmarks, then you don't put them in and you don't request them." In a way, he was for the earmarks but he was against the earmarks, if you know what I mean. I think that is kind of a hypocritical position to take. So I think people ought to be a little careful when they live in glass houses on this."

Crazy Uncle Ron

Some very astute observations by Former Iowa Congressman Greg Ganske on crazy Uncle Ron:

"Right now it's an anybody-but-Romney primary. If Ron Paul wins Iowa, it will become anybody-but-Ron Paul going forward."

"Ron is accusing the speaker of being a hypocrite, I mean that's how he ends this last ad. Well look, when I was in Congress with Ron, he used to put in, he would put in hundreds of millions of dollars of appropriations requests, earmarks. And then he would sit on the floor and he would wait until the vote was certain that his earmarks would be funded and then he would put his card in the slot and vote No. So that he could then say with purity, 'I don't vote for earmarks.'"

"He doesn't complete the deal. He'd vote against his own earmarks, knowing that they were going to pass, so he could then have his cake and eat it too. And you know what, I don't think that that's a totally honest way of dealing with your fellow colleagues on that. If you truly are against the earmarks, then you don't put them in and you don't request them." In a way, he was for the earmarks but he was against the earmarks, if you know what I mean. I think that is kind of a hypocritical position to take. So I think people ought to be a little careful when they live in glass houses on this."

Re: A note from Canada

What is crazy Uncle Ron's position on the proposed Keystone Canadian Pipeline?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

some of us appreciate your concern ... other's will defend Wall Street
and the bailout til the end of time

a full audit and disclosure by the federal reserve is in order

On Dec 22, 8:40 am, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *This fellow is a columnist here in Canada. He is a commentator and senior
> editor with the Sun newspaper chain. The nice Canadian one, not the sleazy
> Brit one....LOL.*
> *
> *
> *He comments on Political and financial issues with a bit of a speciality
> in the climate change issue. *
> *
> *
> *So I hope you won't see this as meddling. Just that I know most American's
> never read newspapers or see media from outside their own country. *
> *
> *
> *So it might be interesting to you to see what us outsiders are thinking.
> And why we are worried. *
> *
> *
> *Bear*
> *
> *http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/12/21/dear-america-get-help--your-frien...

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Re: A note from Canada

some of us appreciate your concern ... other's will defend Wall Street
and the bailout til the end of time

a full audit and disclosure by the federal reserve is in order

On Dec 22, 8:40 am, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *This fellow is a columnist here in Canada. He is a commentator and senior
> editor with the Sun newspaper chain. The nice Canadian one, not the sleazy
> Brit one....LOL.*
> *
> *
> *He comments on Political and financial issues with a bit of a speciality
> in the climate change issue. *
> *
> *
> *So I hope you won't see this as meddling. Just that I know most American's
> never read newspapers or see media from outside their own country. *
> *
> *
> *So it might be interesting to you to see what us outsiders are thinking.
> And why we are worried. *
> *
> *
> *Bear*
> *
> *http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/12/21/dear-america-get-help--your-frien...

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Re: The canidate the Republicans don't want you know about

a confused individual

America has always led in expanding freedom and democracy across the
world. I believe that we need a foreign policy that is firmly rooted
in this proud tradition. We need a President who is free to lead our
friends and allies with clear conviction and unparalled strength.
America cannot, and should not, be the world's policemen. However, I
am committed to assisting countries who choose freedom to become
stronger. - Buddy Roemer

On Dec 21, 12:19 pm, USA Lover <steveo.nor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.buddyroemer.com/

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Re: ?Hanna Montana is the filth of the planet, worse than animals,? says Muslim Brotherhood front group spokesman

he's just an old rag head pediphile with a hard on for kids. Maybe we
should get big Billy Ray to put the ACHEY BREAKY on his pervert ass
---
who are you referring to?

On Dec 22, 2:36 am, "cackalackyha...@gmail.com"
<cackalackyha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:22:57 pm
> To: "PoliticalForum" <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
> From: "plainolamerican" <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: ?Hanna Montana is the filth of the planet, worse than animals,? says Muslim Brotherhood front group spokesman
>
> Islam isn't trying to
> influence Western Society, and has no design to influence or change
> Western
> Culture.
> ---
> sure they are ... and they have the freedom to do so
>
> but they can't be allowed to effectively change our laws or foreign
> policy ... the same thing goes for judaism and xianity
>
> On Dec 21, 9:40 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think the important message here, is that Islam isn't trying to
> > influence Western Society, and has no design to influence or change Western
> > Culture.
>
> > Just ask PlainOl or any other Ron Paul supporter. Again, nothing to see
> > here folks.....Move along.
>
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:29 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > > Anyone have the heart to tell these idiots than Hannah isn't real?
>
> > > On Dec 20, 7:25 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Still keeps her above the sub-semian muzziesheets though.
>
> > > > **
> > > > New post on *Bare Naked Islam*
> > > > <http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/author/barenakedislam/> ?Hanna
> > > > Montana is the filth of the planet, worse than animals,? says Muslim
> > > > Brotherhood front group
> > > > spokesman<
> > >http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/hanna-montana-is-the-f..
> > > .>by
> > > > barenakedislam <
> > >http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/author/barenakedislam/>
>
> > > > The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), satellite organization of the
> > > > Muslim Brotherhood, deplores Disney and American culture in general. (So,
> > > > how about getting the Hell out of our country? Nobody wants you here
> > > > anyway.) The Islamic Circle of North America(ICNA) is preaching a global
> > > > Caliphate and Islamic Shari'a law over America to its members, according
> > > > [...]
>
> > > > Read more of this
> > > > post<
> > >http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/hanna-montana-is-the-f...>
> > > > *barenakedislam<
> > >http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/author/barenakedislam/>
> > > > * | December 19, 2011 at 3:47 PM | Categories: Islam in
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> he's just an old rag head pediphile with a hard on for kids. Maybe we should get big Billy Ray to put the ACHEY BREAKY on his pervert ass

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A note from Canada

This fellow is a columnist here in Canada. He is a commentator and senior editor with the Sun newspaper chain. The nice Canadian one, not the sleazy Brit one....LOL.

He comments on Political and financial issues with a bit of a speciality in the climate change issue.

So I hope you won't see this as meddling. Just that I know most American's never read newspapers or see media from outside their own country.

So it might be interesting to you to see what us outsiders are thinking. And why we are worried.

Bear

http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/12/21/dear-america-get-help--your-friends-in-canada-are-worried-about-you

JP American Withdrawal from Iraq

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Date: 2011/12/22
Subject: American Withdrawal from Iraq
To:

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نقوش اقلم.... عطاءالرحمن چوہان

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نوسال تک مسلسل خطرناک ہتھیاروں کی تلاش کے بعدامریکی واپس لوٹ چکے ہیں۔ نو سالوں میں امریکی غاصبوں نے عراق کا زرہ، زرہ چھان مارا، گھروں، کاروباری مراکز، کارخانوں، ہسپتالوں، آرمی کی چھاونیوں، تیل کی ریفائنریوں اور قبرستانوں میں خطرناک ہتھیاروں کو تلاش کرنے کی کوشش کی۔ امریکی سی آئی اے نے اقوام متحدہ کے سامنے یہ الزامات رکھے تھے کہ صدام حسین نے ایٹمی اور کیمیائی ہتھیار جمع کر رکھے ہیں، جن سے عالمی امن کو خطرہ ہے۔ جس بناءپر اقوام متحدہ نے عراق کی طرف سے مسلسل انکار کے باوجود امریکہ اور اتحادی افواج کو عراق میں جارحیت کی اجازت دی اور ان کے ذمہ یہ فرض عائد کیا کہ وہ عراق میں مداخلت کرکے ایٹمی اور کیمیائی ہتھیاروں کو تلف کر کے دنیا کو تباہی سے بچائیں۔ نو سال تک مسلسل چھان بین کرنے، صدام حسین کو تختہ دار پر لٹکانے اور اہل عراق کو تباہ و برباد کرنے اور لاکھوں انسانوں کو موت کے منہ میں دھکیل دینے کے باوجود امریکہ اور اتحادی سامراجی فوجوں کے ہاتھ جو کچھ بھی آیا اسے ریکارڈ کا حصہ نہیں بنایا گیا۔ خدشہ ہے کہ امریکی افواج نے وہ سارے خطرناک ہتھیار اپنے بارکوں میں منتقل کر دئےے ہیں اور عالمی اداروں کو گمراہ کیا جا رہا ہے۔

عراقی عوام صدام کو بھی پسند نہیں کرتے تھے لیکن انہوں نے ایک دن کے لیے بھی امریکی و اتحاد ی افواج کی مداخلت کو قبول نہیں کیا اورپہلے دن غیر ملکی سامراج کے خلاف مزاحمت کا آغاز کیا اور دشمن کی عبرت ناک پسپائی تک اپنی جدوجہد جاری رکھی۔ صدام حسین بہت برا سہی لیکن اسے جس بیدردی سے موت کی گھاٹ اتار ا گیا، اس سے دنیا کی ہمدردیاں صدام حسین کے ساتھ ہو گئیں اور جارح فو ج قابل نفرت ٹھہری۔خطرناک ہتھیاروں کی تلاش میں بیگناہ انسانوں کے بیدردی سے قتل کیا گیا، معصوم بچوں کو سنگینوں پر چڑھایا گیا، خواتین کی عصمت دری کی گئیں اور لا تعداد انسانوں کو اپاہج بنا دیا گیا۔ عراقی کی معیشت کو اس قدر تباہی سے دوچار کیا گیا کہ تیل کی دولت سے مالا مال ملک میں آج بجلی صرف چند گھنٹوں کے لیے میسر ہوتی ہے۔ عراق کا سونا، چاندی، تیل اور دیگر وسائل کو لوٹ کر امریکہ منتقل کر دیا گیا اور اگلی ایک صدی کے لیے عراقی تیل پر اپنی اجارہ داری قائم کرکے امریکی ڈاکو اپنے دیس کو واپس چلے گئے۔

عراقیوں کے مقدر میں بیگناہ انسانوں کی نعشیں، اپاہج انسانوں کے کٹے پھٹے نیم مردہ لاشے،کھنڈرات بنی سڑکیں اور شاہرائیں، آگ سے جھلسے ہوئے تیل کے کنویں، اپنے ہی ملبے تلے دبی ہوئی انڈسٹری، بارود کو بُو سے آلودہ کھیت، عصمتوں سے محروم بہو اور بیٹیاںاور تباہ شدہ معیشت ہی آئی ہے۔ اسی طرح امریکی عوام کو بھی اربوں ڈالر کے قرضوں، مارکیٹ میں کساد بازاری، بیروگاری اور سرمایہ دارانہ نظام کے خلاف نفرت کا شعور ملا ہے۔ قرضوں کے بوجھ اور معیشت کی تباہی کے سبب پانچ کروڑ امریکی بیروزگار ہوئے، امریکی بینک دیوالیہ ہوئے اور ساری معیشت دم توڑ گئی ۔ تب امریکی نوجوانوں نے وال سٹریٹ کے خلاف علم بغاوت بلند کیا۔تاہم اس جنگ سے یہودیوں کی تیل کمپنیوں جن میں امریکہ سے سیاستدان بھی حصہ دار ہیں امریکہ اور عراق کی ساری دولت سمیٹنے میں کامیاب ہوئے۔

چند ایک یہودی سرمایہ داروں نے امریکی سیاستدانوں اور اسٹبلشمنٹ کے عہدیداروں کو حصہ دار بنا کرامریکہ جیسے بڑے اور طاقت ور ملک اور عراق جیسے دولت مند ملک کو تباہی اور بربادی سے دوچار کردیا۔ یہ سارا کام عالمی استعماری ادارے "اقوام متحدہ" کی اجازت اور نگرانی میں کیا گیا۔ دنیا کو سچ کی تلاش کا دھوکہ دے کر تباہی سے دوچار کیا گیا۔ اب جب امریکی منہ چھپائے رات کے اندھیرے میں شکست خوردہ واپس لوٹ رہے ہیں تو اہل امریکہ کو یہ حق حاصل ہے کہ وہ پوچھیں کہ وہ ایٹمی اور کیمیائی ہتھیار کدھر ہیں جن کی تلاش میں امریکی معیشت اور ساکھ کو تباہ و برباد کیا گیا۔ اقوام متحد ہ کے ممبر ممالک پر یہ انسانیت کا قرض ہے کہ وہ اس ادارے کی سلامتی کونسل سے پوچھیں کہ وہ ہتھیار کدھر ہیں جن کی بنیاد پر لاکھوں انسانوں کو لقمہ اجل بنایا گیا ہے۔ کہیں ایسا تو نہیں کہ وہ سارے خطرناک ہتھیار عراق سے امریکی فوج نے چُرا کر اپنے اسلحہ ڈپو میں منتقل کر دئےے ہوں۔ اب اقوام متحدہ کا فرض ہے کہ وہ امریکی اسلحہ ڈپووں کی تلاش کے لیے روس، چین، پاکستان ، ترکی اور سوڈان کی افواج کو مامور کرے اور وہ ہتھیار برآمد کرکے تلف کیے جائیں۔ اگر اقوام متحدہ نے ایسا نہ کیا تو پھر عراق میں انسان کے قتل عام کی ذمہ داری امریکہ اور اس کے خونخوار اتحادیوں کے بجائے اقوام متحدہ پر عائد ہو گی۔

اقوام متحدہ کے لیے لازم ہے کہ وہ افغانستان اور دیگر ممالک میں غیر ملک افواج کی موجودگی کا ازسرنو جائزہ لے اور دنیا میں امن کو تباہ کرنے ، بیگناہ انسانوں کو قتل کرنے اور ان ممالک کی دولت کو لوٹنے والوں کا احتساب کرے۔ اگر اس ادارے نے اپنا فرض ادا نہ کیا تو اس کے فیصلے سے زخمی ہونے والے انسان اٹھ کھڑے ہوں گے، یقینا اٹھ کھڑے ہوں گے اور خون کے ایک، ایک قطرے اور لوٹی ہوئی دولت کی ایک، ایک پائی کا حساب لیں گے۔ اس ادارے پر لازم ہے کہ وہ انصاف کرے قبل اس کے کہ دنیا اس کے ساتھ انصاف کرنے کے لیے یک زبان ہو جائے۔

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Re: ?Hanna Montana is the filth of the planet, w=?iso-8859-1?B?b3JzZSB0aGFuIGFuaW1hbHMsPyBzYXlzIE11c2xpbSBCcm90aGVyaG9vZCBmcm9u?==?iso-8859-1?B?dCBncm91cCBzcG9rZXNtYW4=?=

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Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:22:57 pm
To: "PoliticalForum" <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
From: "plainolamerican" <plainolamerican@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ?Hanna Montana is the filth of the planet, worse than animals,? says Muslim Brotherhood front group spokesman

Islam isn't trying to
influence Western Society, and has no design to influence or change
Western
Culture.
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sure they are ... and they have the freedom to do so

but they can't be allowed to effectively change our laws or foreign
policy ... the same thing goes for judaism and xianity

On Dec 21, 9:40 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the important message here, is that Islam isn't trying to
> influence Western Society, and has no design to influence or change Western
> Culture.
>
> Just ask PlainOl or any other Ron Paul supporter. Again, nothing to see
> here folks.....Move along.
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:29 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
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> > Anyone have the heart to tell these idiots than Hannah isn't real?
>
> > On Dec 20, 7:25 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Still keeps her above the sub-semian muzziesheets though.
>
> > > **
> > > New post on *Bare Naked Islam*
> > > <http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/author/barenakedislam/> ?Hanna
> > > Montana is the filth of the planet, worse than animals,? says Muslim
> > > Brotherhood front group
> > > spokesman<
> >http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/hanna-montana-is-the-f..
> > .>by
> > > barenakedislam <
> >http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/author/barenakedislam/>
>
> > > The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), satellite organization of the
> > > Muslim Brotherhood, deplores Disney and American culture in general. (So,
> > > how about getting the Hell out of our country? Nobody wants you here
> > > anyway.) The Islamic Circle of North America(ICNA) is preaching a global
> > > Caliphate and Islamic Shari'a law over America to its members, according
> > > [...]
>
> > > Read more of this
> > > post<
> >http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/hanna-montana-is-the-f...>
> > > *barenakedislam<
> >http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/author/barenakedislam/>
> > > * | December 19, 2011 at 3:47 PM | Categories: Islam in
> > > America<http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/?cat=52721>| URL:
> >http://wp.me/peHnV-DSn
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he's just an old rag head pediphile with a hard on for kids. Maybe we should get big Billy Ray to put the ACHEY BREAKY on his pervert ass

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Re: First Amendment Under Attack: 18 Examples of How They Are Coming for Our Free Speech

Lou Rockwell is a Moonbat
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yet featured here quite often by conservatives ... though he was at
least one of the main day to day overseers of the publication that Ron
Paul has been vilified for

In 2008, the libertarian magazine Reason reacted to the Kirchick story
by trying to figure out whether Paul in fact wrote the newsletters --
or if he didn't write them, who was directly responsible. Two
journalists, Dave Weigel and Julian Sanchez, were assigned to the
story.

Here's what they found:

In interviews with reason, a half-dozen longtime libertarian
activists--including some still close to Paul--all named the same man
as Paul's chief ghostwriter: Ludwig von Mises Institute founder
Llewellyn Rockwell, Jr. Financial records from 1985 and 2001 show that
Rockwell, Paul's congressional chief of staff from 1978 to 1982, was a
vice president of Ron Paul & Associates, the corporation that
published the Ron Paul Political Report and the Ron Paul Survival
Report. The company was dissolved in 2001. During the period when the
most incendiary items appeared--roughly 1989 to 1994--Rockwell and the
prominent libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard championed an open
strategy of exploiting racial and class resentment to build a
coalition with populist "paleoconservatives," producing a flurry of
articles and manifestos whose racially charged talking points and
vocabulary mirrored the controversial Paul newsletters recently
unearthed.

On Dec 22, 12:07 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lou Rockwell is a Moonbat that is dressed as a Crackpot, Period.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:05 AM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > and who is coming for our free speech? The ACLU and those they
> > represent.
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> > On Dec 20, 11:48 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://lewrockwell.com/rep2/1st-amendment-under-attack.html
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