Monday, December 6, 2010

Re: Mitch McConnell: Don't' Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Won't Happen This Year, Tax Cuts Will Be Extended (VIDEO)

Tommy???

Here's a hint. Obama drops the court challenge and DADT is dead,
kaput, verschlamagen, no need for congress at all.

Wrap your lips around that, while you tell me Obama and the dems want
it repealed. It WAS!!!!!!!!!

On Dec 6, 11:20 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Uncomfy?
>
> On Dec 6, 9:54 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Don't Ask, Don't Tell has BEEN repealed. Obama and his DOJ are
> > fighting that in court.
>
> > Feel silly yet?
>
> > On Dec 5, 2:06 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > This obstrucionist behavior of the Republicans is dispicable. Call,
> > > Fax and Write your two US Senators and DEMAND the repeal of DADT
> > > during this session of Congress. They now claim that this is not the
> > > right time to repeal DADT. Exactly why not? This month is the right
> > > time and the only time, or this could take years when the new Grand
> > > Obstrucionist Party led Congress is sworn in in January with thier
> > > primary agenda being making the President of The United States fail.
>
> > > Mitch McConnell: Don't' Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Won't Happen This Year,
> > > Tax Cuts Will Be Extended (VIDEO)
>
> > > WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) sent a
> > > message to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (DADT) repeal advocates on Sunday:
> > > Don't hold your breath. He said the policy change is unlikely to
> > > happen this year. He stated, however, that the prognosis for passing
> > > an extension of unemployment benefits and tax cuts looks brighter.
>
> > > The National Defense Authorization Act, said McConnell on NBC's "Meet
> > > the Press" on Sunday, typically takes two weeks. "I don't see how we
> > > can possibly finish the defense authorization bill, a two-week bill,
> > > fully aside from these controversial items that are in it -- there are
> > > a whole lot of other things in it -- before the end of the year."
>
> > > When asked by host David Gregory whether he thinks there is enough
> > > support to lift the ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in the
> > > military, McConnell simply replied, "My personal view is that Sen.
> > > McCain is correct on this. I tend to follow his lead. We'll find out
> > > when we finally get around to debating this bill, which I think will
> > > be before the end of the year." McCain, of course, has been one of the
> > > most vocal opponents of repealing DADT, consistently finding new
> > > explanations for supporting the ban.
>
> > > Video Here:
>
> > >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/05/mitch-mcconnell-dadt-repeal-...
>
> > > --
> > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > Have a great day,
> > > Tommy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: $141,600 a Year Tax-Free

"The community feels betrayed,"
---------------------

Pretty much the objective. Duh

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Re: Ron Paul: "What We Need Is More WikiLeaks On The Federal Reserve"

The Fed reports to no one. Autonomy has its advantages. "Its good to
be the King" - Mel Brooks

On Dec 6, 1:46 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> Ron Paul: "What We Need Is More WikiLeaks On The Federal Reserve"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNFVjBVEtQ
>
> Ron Paul segment from Freedom Watch with Judge Andrew Napolitano - 6
> minutes.
> --
> *I reserve the right to do as I please.*
>
> *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover
> of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
> - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)
>
> "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least
> develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican
> government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our
> collective ignorance."
> - Ron Paul*
>
> *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts
> to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants.
> Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get
> Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004>. The best course
> available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.*
>
> *I Refuse To Comply
> <http://constitutionpreservation.org/media-archive/i-will-not-comply>
> With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government*http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
>
> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
> governed are weak.*
>
> *"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get
> caught exercising them."
> - Terry Mitchell
>
> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that
> cannot be."
> - Thomas Jefferson***

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Re: I see the Euros are at it about SWIFT again (more from Wikileaks)

The program, created in secrecy by the Bush administration ...
---------------------------------

Secrecy? No cable in the cave?

No mention of Obama voting for EXPANDING said policy (Hillary too),
and now ramping it up beyond the dreams of anyone named Bush? How
odd.

Not really

On Dec 6, 12:53 pm, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> This was one of the systems I processed the input to before I
> retired. We at Citibank used to send over a million transactions per
> day to this SWIFT system tracking all sorts of money transaction and I
> managed the processing of that system. When the NYT disclosed that the
> US was using this system to track money payments to Al Qaeda they really
> put a crimp in our ability to check the funding for terrorism almost as
> badly as when they revealed that we were listening in on cell phones
> that the terrorists were using. Now they have a new article about it.
> We don't need enemies. We have the MSM for that.
>
> Europe Wary of U.S. Bank Monitors
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/world/middleeast/06wikileaks-swift....>
>
> By ERIC LICHTBLAU
>
> When Europeans halted a program used to monitor international banking
> transactions, the United States had to scramble to regain support for it.
>
> Europe Wary of U.S. Bank Monitors
>
> ByERIC LICHTBLAU
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/eric_lic...>
>
> Published: December 5, 2010
>
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> WASHINGTON --- When theEuropean Parliament
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/e/e...>ordered
> a halt in February to an American government program to monitor
> international banking transactions for terrorist activity, the Obama
> administration was blindsided by the rebuke.
>
> State's Secrets
>
> /Day 8/
>
> Articles in this series will examine American diplomatic cables as a
> window on relations with the rest of the world in an age of war and
> terrorism.
>
> Other Articles in the Series ï¿½
> <http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/world/statessecrets.html>
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> <http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/28/world/20101128-cables-v...>
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> Cash Flow to Terrorists Evades U.S. Efforts
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/world/middleeast/06wikileaks-financ...>(December
> 6, 2010)
>
> *
>
> Link by Link: WikiLeaks and the Perils of Oversharing
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/business/media/06link.html?ref=midd...>(December
> 6, 2010)
>
> "Paranoia runs deep especially about US intelligence agencies," a secret
> cable from the American Embassy in Berlin said. "We were astonished to
> learn how quickly rumors about alleged U.S. economic espionage" had
> taken root among German politicians who opposed the program, it said.
>
> The memo was among dozens of State Department cables that revealed the
> deep distrust of some traditional European allies toward what they
> considered American intrusion into their citizens' affairs without
> stringent oversight.
>
> The program, created in secrecy by the Bush administration after the
> Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, has allowed American counterterrorism officials
> to examine banking transactions routed through a vast database run by a
> Brussels consortium known as Swift. When theprogram was disclosed in
> 2006 <http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/washington/23intel.html>by The
> New York Times, just months after the newspaper reported the existence
> of theNational Security Agency
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/n...>'s
> warrantless wiretapping program, it set off protests in Europe and
> forced the United States to accept new restrictions.
>
> But by 2010, new leaders at the European Parliament had what one State
> Department memo called "a fixation" on privacy issues. On Feb. 10, the
> Europeans voted 378 to 196 to halt the Swift program.
>
> Obama administration officials valued it because it allowed them to
> trace the transactions of suspected terrorist financiers while including
> "robust" privacy protections, according to the cables.
>
> But many Europeans were skeptical. Some allies not only were concerned
> that program might be used to steal secrets from European companies, but
> also considered it of "dubious" value.
>
> In Austria, for example, "the Nazi legacy and familiarity with communist
> regimes" have fueled "a widespread presumption against government data
> collection and in favor of stringent privacy protections," officials at
> the embassy wrote.
>
> Many Germans, meanwhile, remember "how the Stasi," the former East
> German secret police, "abused information to destroy people's lives,"
> according to a dispatch from the American Embassy in Berlin.
>
> Opposition in Germany was particularly damaging because the country was
> among a handful of allies that, according to a 2006 cable, organized a
> "coalition of the constructive" to ensure that the Swift operation was
> not "ruined by privacy experts."
>
> After German representatives voted against the program, a German
> official reported to American diplomats that ChancellorAngela Merkel
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/angela_m...>---
> a strong supporter of the program --- was "angrier than he had ever seen
> her."
>
> After mobilizing top officials, including Secretary of StateHillary
> Rodham Clinton
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/hillary_...>,Treasury
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/t/t...>SecretaryTimothy
> F. Geithner
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/timothy_...>and
> Attorney GeneralEric H. Holder Jr.
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/eric_h_h...>,
> the administration was able to reverse course. The European Parliament
> voted 484 to 109 in July to restart the program after the United States
> made modest concessions that promised greater European oversight.
>
> A version of this article appeared in print on December 6,
> 2010, on page A10 of the New York edition.

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Ron Paul: "What We Need Is More WikiLeaks On The Federal Reserve"

Ron Paul: "What We Need Is More WikiLeaks On The Federal Reserve"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNFVjBVEtQ

Ron Paul segment from Freedom Watch with Judge Andrew Napolitano - 6 minutes.

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http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be governed are weak.

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- Terry Mitchell

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- Thomas Jefferson

Re: When the Government Promises It Won’t Abuse Its Powers, It’s Lying

Well, who ya wanna blame. It passed the senate 98-1, and was re-upped
twice, 89-10. Bout as bipartisan as it gets. And lest we forget,
then senator Obama voted to EXPAND Patriot wiretaps, and is now
beating the living shit out of it.

All whilst the democrats decry Patriot Act and Bush.

Duh!

On Dec 6, 1:10 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> When the Government Promises It Wonï¿½t Abuse Its Powers, Itï¿½s Lyinghttp://c4ss.org/content/5211
>
> From the article:
>
> "Most people who supported the USA PATRIOT Act and the creation of DHS,
> no matter how unjustifiably, presumably believed that those
> extraordinary grants of power would be used only for the extraordinary
> purpose of fighting genuine terror networks like Al Qaeda and preventing
> terrorist attacks on the United States. It should be abundantly clear
> now that those people were had."
> --
> *I reserve the right to do as I please.*
>
> *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover
> of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
> - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)
>
> "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least
> develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican
> government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our
> collective ignorance."
> - Ron Paul*
>
> *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts
> to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants.
> Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get
> Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004>. The best course
> available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.*
>
> *I Refuse To Comply
> <http://constitutionpreservation.org/media-archive/i-will-not-comply>
> With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government*http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
>
> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
> governed are weak.*
>
> *"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get
> caught exercising them."
> - Terry Mitchell
>
> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that
> cannot be."
> - Thomas Jefferson***

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Re: Steven Greenhut: Wikileaks No Threat To Free Society

Ok, but somehow, I don't think the, "I wouldn't have done it if the US
hadn't been mucking around in the Middle East for more than 60 years",
defense will work.

Ya signed up kid! Ya broke the UCMJ, knew it, and bragged about it
publically. Now you're gonna die in jail. Good job, soldier! Way to
go.

And by the way, the Daniel Ellsberg comparison dog, don't hunt. If
not for, "Gross governement midconduct", he'd still be in jail now.
The Army ain't gonna make that mistake, and the UCMJ is VERY
unforgiving about this shit.

Enjoy the salt-peter kid. You're a patsy.

On Dec 6, 1:30 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> And if it wasn't for the US government mucking around in the Middle East
> for more than 60 years he wouldn't be there either.
>
> On 12/6/2010 10:25 AM, GregfromBoston wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > If not for WikiLeaks, we wouldn't have a 23 year old kid about to die
> > in prison of old age, while they laugh all the way to the bank.
>
> > Non-profit. Yea, OK!
>
> > Rah, rah!
>
> > On Dec 6, 12:50 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Steven Greenhut: Wikileaks No Threat To Free Societyhttp://www.ocregister.com/opinion/government-278744-information-peopl...
>
> >> From the article:
>
> >> "Clearly, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has done our nation a service
> >> by publishing at-times embarrassing accounts of how the U.S. government
> >> conducts its foreign policy. This is a government that claims to be of
> >> the people, by the people and for the people, and which has grand
> >> pretenses about projecting freedom worldwide, yet it wants to be able to
> >> keep most of the details of its actions away from the prying eyes of the
> >> public."
> >> --
> >> *I reserve the right to do as I please.*
>
> >> *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover
> >> of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
> >> - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)
>
> >> "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least
> >> develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican
> >> government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our
> >> collective ignorance."
> >> - Ron Paul*
>
> >> *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts
> >> to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants.
> >> Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers
> >> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get
> >> Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY
> >> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004>. The best course
> >> available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.*
>
> >> *I Refuse To Comply
> >> <http://constitutionpreservation.org/media-archive/i-will-not-comply>
> >> With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government*http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
>
> >> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
> >> governed are weak.*
>
> >> *"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get
> >> caught exercising them."
> >> - Terry Mitchell
>
> >> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that
> >> cannot be."
> >> - Thomas Jefferson***
>
> --
> *I reserve the right to do as I please.*
>
> *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover
> of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
> - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)
>
> "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least
> develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican
> government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our
> collective ignorance."
> - Ron Paul*
>
> *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts
> to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants.
> Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get
> Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004>. The best course
> available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.*
>
> *I Refuse To Comply
> <http://constitutionpreservation.org/media-archive/i-will-not-comply>
> With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government*http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
>
> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
> governed are weak.*
>
> *"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get
> caught exercising them."
> - Terry Mitchell
>
> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that
> cannot be."
> - Thomas Jefferson***- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: Steven Greenhut: Wikileaks No Threat To Free Society

And if it wasn't for the US government mucking around in the Middle East for more than 60 years he wouldn't be there either.

On 12/6/2010 10:25 AM, GregfromBoston wrote:

If not for WikiLeaks, we wouldn't have a 23 year old kid about to die in prison of old age, while they laugh all the way to the bank.  Non-profit.  Yea, OK!  Rah, rah!  On Dec 6, 12:50 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com> wrote:

Steven Greenhut: Wikileaks No Threat To Free Societyhttp://www.ocregister.com/opinion/government-278744-information-peopl... From the article: "Clearly, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has done our nation a service by publishing at-times embarrassing accounts of how the U.S. government conducts its foreign policy. This is a government that claims to be of the people, by the people and for the people, and which has grand pretenses about projecting freedom worldwide, yet it wants to be able to keep most of the details of its actions away from the prying eyes of the public." -- *I reserve the right to do as I please.* *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover of law, and with the colors of justice ..." - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982) "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our collective ignorance." - Ron Paul* *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants. Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004>. The best course available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.* *I Refuse To Comply <http://constitutionpreservation.org/media-archive/i-will-not-comply> With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government*http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be governed are weak.* *"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get caught exercising them." - Terry Mitchell "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that cannot be." - Thomas Jefferson***

Re: Steven Greenhut: Wikileaks No Threat To Free Society

If not for WikiLeaks, we wouldn't have a 23 year old kid about to die
in prison of old age, while they laugh all the way to the bank.

Non-profit. Yea, OK!

Rah, rah!

On Dec 6, 12:50 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> Steven Greenhut: Wikileaks No Threat To Free Societyhttp://www.ocregister.com/opinion/government-278744-information-peopl...
>
> From the article:
>
> "Clearly, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has done our nation a service
> by publishing at-times embarrassing accounts of how the U.S. government
> conducts its foreign policy. This is a government that claims to be of
> the people, by the people and for the people, and which has grand
> pretenses about projecting freedom worldwide, yet it wants to be able to
> keep most of the details of its actions away from the prying eyes of the
> public."
> --
> *I reserve the right to do as I please.*
>
> *"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover
> of law, and with the colors of justice ..."
> - U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)
>
> "If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least
> develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican
> government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our
> collective ignorance."
> - Ron Paul*
>
> *Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts
> to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants.
> Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004> so you can get
> Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY
> <http://www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=CG0004>. The best course
> available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.*
>
> *I Refuse To Comply
> <http://constitutionpreservation.org/media-archive/i-will-not-comply>
> With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government*http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
>
> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
> governed are weak.*
>
> *"We have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get
> caught exercising them."
> - Terry Mitchell
>
> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that
> cannot be."
> - Thomas Jefferson***

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Re: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

Tell that to the butt screaming dems who want to bring back Fairness
Doctrine.

If you can't find an audience, LEGISLATE one!

On Dec 6, 1:03 pm, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OMG! Geraldo is no moderate. Yellow journalism is sensationalism and
> scandal mongering and yet Butt-For-Brains doesn't have Geraldo on his list
> of yellow journalists!!!
>
> It is about time we have choice. We can choose a right leaning network! We
> didn't have that choice for my entire life until Fox News. Celebrate the
> ability to finally have a choice! Most people watching cable news watch Fox
> News. Tells you something doesn't it?
>
> CW
>
>
>
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> [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of GregfromBoston
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:45
> To: PoliticalForum
> Subject: Re: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class
>
> I believe that Geraldo Rivera is a moderate.
> --------------------------------------
>
> I happen to like him, but he's a friggin hippie. Do you also believe
> your shit don't stink?
>
> Oh, and by the way, Rush isn't on Fox.
>
> Fox surely leans right, but compared to using forged documents to
> influence a presidential election for the left, hardly a big deal.
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When the Government Promises It Won’t Abuse Its Powers, It’s Lying

When the Government Promises It Won't Abuse Its Powers, It's Lying
http://c4ss.org/content/5211

From the article:

"Most people who supported the USA PATRIOT Act and the creation of DHS, no matter how unjustifiably, presumably believed that those extraordinary grants of power would be used only for the extraordinary purpose of fighting genuine terror networks like Al Qaeda and preventing terrorist attacks on the United States. It should be abundantly clear now that those people were had."

Column on Leak Embarrassments

Column on Leak Embarrassments
http://tibormachan.rationalreview.com/2010/12/column-on-leak-embarrassments/

From the essay:

"My strong impression is that free men and women must never trust those in government very much, given that such folks have immense power and unless they and their works are watched carefully they are likely to abuse it -- to quote the famous English political theorist Lord Acton, 'Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely.' So there is good reason to applaud WikiLeaks' efforts to inform us about how the governments of the world go about their business. The excuse that such knowledge may be embarrassing seems to me quite irrelevant since governments simply ought not to engage in conduct that embarrasses them."

More on tattoos - from a trial in Clearwater, FL

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/us/06tattoo.html

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Killing WikiLeaks, and Making Collaborators of Us All

Killing WikiLeaks, and Making Collaborators of Us All
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2010/12/killing-wikileaks-and-making.html

From the article:

"The corporatist-authoritarian system that rules our lives desires nothing more than to see all those who would protest its true nature commit murder and suicide in slow motion. If such a system is not evil, then nothing ever was or ever will be."

RE: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

OMG! Geraldo is no moderate. Yellow journalism is sensationalism and
scandal mongering and yet Butt-For-Brains doesn't have Geraldo on his list
of yellow journalists!!!

It is about time we have choice. We can choose a right leaning network! We
didn't have that choice for my entire life until Fox News. Celebrate the
ability to finally have a choice! Most people watching cable news watch Fox
News. Tells you something doesn't it?

-----Original Message-----
From: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
[mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of GregfromBoston
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:45
To: PoliticalForum
Subject: Re: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

I believe that Geraldo Rivera is a moderate.
--------------------------------------

I happen to like him, but he's a friggin hippie. Do you also believe
your shit don't stink?

Oh, and by the way, Rush isn't on Fox.

Fox surely leans right, but compared to using forged documents to
influence a presidential election for the left, hardly a big deal.

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JP Pakistan politic current position....?

I see the Euros are at it about SWIFT again (more from Wikileaks)

This was one of the systems I processed the input to before I retired. We at Citibank used to send over a million transactions per day to this SWIFT system tracking all sorts of money transaction and I managed the processing of that system. When the NYT disclosed that the US was using this system to track money payments to Al Qaeda they really put a crimp in our ability to check the funding for terrorism almost as badly as when they revealed that we were listening in on cell phones that the terrorists were using. Now they have a new article about it. We don't need enemies. We have the MSM for that.

Europe Wary of U.S. Bank Monitors

By ERIC LICHTBLAU

When Europeans halted a program used to monitor international banking transactions, the United States had to scramble to regain support for it.

Europe Wary of U.S. Bank Monitors

By ERIC LICHTBLAU

Published: December 5, 2010

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WASHINGTON — When the European Parliament ordered a halt in February to an American government program to monitor international banking transactions for terrorist activity, the Obama administration was blindsided by the rebuke.

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“Paranoia runs deep especially about US intelligence agencies,” a secret cable from the American Embassy in Berlin said. “We were astonished to learn how quickly rumors about alleged U.S. economic espionage” had taken root among German politicians who opposed the program, it said.

The memo was among dozens of State Department cables that revealed the deep distrust of some traditional European allies toward what they considered American intrusion into their citizens’ affairs without stringent oversight.

The program, created in secrecy by the Bush administration after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, has allowed American counterterrorism officials to examine banking transactions routed through a vast database run by a Brussels consortium known as Swift. When the program was disclosed in 2006 by The New York Times, just months after the newspaper reported the existence of the National Security Agency’s warrantless wiretapping program, it set off protests in Europe and forced the United States to accept new restrictions.

But by 2010, new leaders at the European Parliament had what one State Department memo called “a fixation” on privacy issues. On Feb. 10, the Europeans voted 378 to 196 to halt the Swift program.

Obama administration officials valued it because it allowed them to trace the transactions of suspected terrorist financiers while including “robust” privacy protections, according to the cables.

But many Europeans were skeptical. Some allies not only were concerned that program might be used to steal secrets from European companies, but also considered it of “dubious” value.

In Austria, for example, “the Nazi legacy and familiarity with communist regimes” have fueled “a widespread presumption against government data collection and in favor of stringent privacy protections,” officials at the embassy wrote.

Many Germans, meanwhile, remember “how the Stasi,” the former East German secret police, “abused information to destroy people’s lives,” according to a dispatch from the American Embassy in Berlin.

Opposition in Germany was particularly damaging because the country was among a handful of allies that, according to a 2006 cable, organized a “coalition of the constructive” to ensure that the Swift operation was not “ruined by privacy experts.”

After German representatives voted against the program, a German official reported to American diplomats that Chancellor Angela Merkel — a strong supporter of the program — was “angrier than he had ever seen her.”

After mobilizing top officials, including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, TreasurySecretary Timothy F. Geithner and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., the administration was able to reverse course. The European Parliament voted 484 to 109 in July to restart the program after the United States made modest concessions that promised greater European oversight.

A version of this article appeared in print on December 6, 2010, on page A10 of the New York edition.

Steven Greenhut: Wikileaks No Threat To Free Society

Steven Greenhut: Wikileaks No Threat To Free Society
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/government-278744-information-people.html

From the article:

"Clearly, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has done our nation a service by publishing at-times embarrassing accounts of how the U.S. government conducts its foreign policy. This is a government that claims to be of the people, by the people and for the people, and which has grand pretenses about projecting freedom worldwide, yet it wants to be able to keep most of the details of its actions away from the prying eyes of the public."

Re: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

I believe that Geraldo Rivera is a moderate.
--------------------------------------

I happen to like him, but he's a friggin hippie. Do you also believe
your shit don't stink?

Oh, and by the way, Rush isn't on Fox.

Fox surely leans right, but compared to using forged documents to
influence a presidential election for the left, hardly a big deal.

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RE: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

Don’t forget the advice Tommy gets from his mother. Mother Jones, that is. Expanding narrow minds is not on the Progressive’s agenda Keith. You know that!

From: politicalforum@googlegroups.com [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith In Tampa
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 09:05
To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

Tom?

Do you read any other news sources besides the Daily Kos? TruthOut.org?

Watch any other news shows besides MSNBC??

Expand your horizons!!

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

1-So what?

2- No, that is false.

3- No, The Republicans are saying "Drop Dead!" to the unemployed.

On 12/5/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>
> It was blocked for EVERYONE not "the middle class".
>
> The problem was the Dems wanted to include yet another extension of
> "unreimbursed, unfunded unemployment that totaled in the billions.
>
> The Republicans voted against this and said openly that if unfunded
> mandates were left out they would pass your tax cut extension. The
> dems just could not let the bill go through without adding a rider.
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 12:56 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> GOP Senators unanimously block House-passed extension of tax breaks to
>> ordinary people (while not extending Bush's tax cuts to the rich).
>> Dispicable Grand Opressive Party Behavior. Who voted for these wealthy
>> eletist criminals?
>>
>> Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class
>>
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h5ylCoSn1PNl-pRXPU...
>>
>> --
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>> Have a great day,
>> Tommy
>
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Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
Have a great day,
Tommy

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Re: Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class

Yeah, his Al Capone shtick was just great. Geraldo has always been a
rabble rouser to feed his own ego. He has made a fool of himself so
long he has no credibility at all. Love to hear your definition of
"yellow journalist" - sounds like anyone who does not match your
politics is either a "yellow journalist" because you can't refute their
POV validly or

"incompetant (sic) comedic rabble rousing inflamitory (sic) "Tea Party" entertainers" because they believe that government should do only what is absolutely necessary and get out of the way and let the people do their jobs and that the people know better what they need to do than Uncle Sugar does. Must really suck to be you and have to be told in your early morning phone network call what your latest talking point is to be.

On 12/06/2010 11:55 AM, Tommy News wrote:
> Jonathan-
>
> I believe that Geraldo Rivera is a moderate, and I have always admired his work.
>
> The others, especially Bill O'Reilly and Greta Van Susteren, are
> "yellow jounalists", in my opinion.
>
> Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and others I
> view as incompetant comedic rabble rousing inflamitory "Tea Party"
> entertainers.
>
> On 12/6/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>> I know of one person who thinks that 75% of the FOX News hosts are
>> left-wing Socialists.
>>
>> If you think Shepard Smith, Greta Van Susteren, Juan Williams, Geraldo
>> Rivera, and Bill O'Reilly are conservatives, you are sadly mistaken.
>>
>> On 12/6/2010 7:32 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>> Yes, Keith.
>>>
>>> I tune into Faux Noise briefly almost daily to see what the right is
>>> ranting about.
>>> I also take a look at the Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times,
>>> and occasionally at the National Review, and at several other other
>>> publications. My reading choices are diverse.
>>>
>>> What I usually find on Faux Noise is right wing sloganeering,
>>> negativity, spin, pretzel glue logic, and punditry railing against
>>> The President of The United States at every turn. "Fair and balanced",
>>> my ass.
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>>
>>> On 12/6/10, Keith In Tampa<keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Tom?
>>>>
>>>> Do you read any other news sources besides the Daily Kos? TruthOut.org?
>>>>
>>>> Watch any other news shows besides MSNBC??
>>>>
>>>> Expand your horizons!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1-So what?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2- No, that is false.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3- No, The Republicans are saying "Drop Dead!" to the unemployed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/5/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was blocked for EVERYONE not "the middle class".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem was the Dems wanted to include yet another extension of
>>>>>> "unreimbursed, unfunded unemployment that totaled in the billions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Republicans voted against this and said openly that if unfunded
>>>>>> mandates were left out they would pass your tax cut extension. The
>>>>>> dems just could not let the bill go through without adding a rider.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 5, 12:56 pm, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> GOP Senators unanimously block House-passed extension of tax breaks to
>>>>>>> ordinary people (while not extending Bush's tax cuts to the rich).
>>>>>>> Dispicable Grand Opressive Party Behavior. Who voted for these wealthy
>>>>>>> eletist criminals?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Republicans block tax cuts for US middle class
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h5ylCoSn1PNl-pRXPU.
>>>>> ..
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>> Tommy
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Monday, December 6, 2010

By ERIC LICHTBLAU

Europe Wary of U.S. Bank Monitors

By ERIC LICHTBLAU

Published: December 5, 2010

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