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Re: Wisdom Of Einstein

He wrote another one.

On Feb 23, 10:52 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
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> In November 1954, five months before his death, Einstein summarized
> his feelings about his role in the creation of the atomic bomb: "I
> made one great mistake in my life... when I signed the letter to
> President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made."
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Re: Science Explains The Republican Brain: Why Even Educated Conservatives Deny Science -- and Reality

Chris Mooney most likely suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome:

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

The Republican Brain: Why Even Educated Conservatives Deny Science --
and Reality

New research shows that conservatives who consider themselves
well-informed and educated are also deeper in denial about issues like
global warming.

-by Chris Mooney

February 22, 2012 |

This essay is adapted from Chris Mooney's forthcoming book,
The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science—and
Reality, due out in April from Wiley.

I can still remember when I first realized how naïve I was in
thinking—hoping—that laying out the "facts" would suffice to change
politicized minds, and especially Republican ones. It was a typically
wonkish, liberal revelation: One based on statistics and data. Only
this time, the data were showing, rather awkwardly, that people ignore
data and evidence—and often, knowledge and education only make the
problem worse.

Someone had sent me a 2008 Pew report documenting the intense partisan
divide in the U.S. over the reality of global warming.. It's a divide
that, maddeningly for scientists, has shown a paradoxical tendency to
widen even as the basic facts about global warming have become more
firmly established.

Those facts are these: Humans, since the industrial revolution, have
been burning more and more fossil fuels to power their societies, and
this has led to a steady accumulation of greenhouse gases, and
especially carbon dioxide, in the atmosphere. At this point, very
simple physics takes over, and you are pretty much doomed, by what
scientists refer to as the "radiative" properties of carbon dioxide
molecules (which trap infrared heat radiation that would otherwise
escape to space), to have a warming planet. Since about 1995,
scientists have not only confirmed that this warming is taking place,
but have also grown confident that it has, like the gun in a murder
mystery, our fingerprint on it. Natural fluctuations, although they
exist, can't explain what we're seeing. The only reasonable verdict is
that humans did it, in the atmosphere, with their cars and their
smokestacks.

Such is what is known to science--what is true (no matter what Rick
Santorum might say). But the Pew data showed that humans aren't as
predictable as carbon dioxide molecules. Despite a growing scientific
consensus about global warming, as of 2008 Democrats and Republicans
had cleaved over the facts stated above, like a divorcing couple. One
side bought into them, one side didn't—and if anything, knowledge and
intelligence seemed to be worsening matters.

Buried in the Pew report was a little chart showing the relationship
between one's political party affiliation, one's acceptance that
humans are causing global warming, and one's level of education. And
here's the mind-blowing surprise: For Republicans, having a college
degree didn't appear to make one any more open to what scientists have
to say. On the contrary, better-educated Republicans were more
skeptical of modern climate science than their less educated brethren.
Only 19 percent of college-educated Republicans agreed that the planet
is warming due to human actions, versus 31 percent of
non-college-educated Republicans.

For Democrats and Independents, the opposite was the case. More
education correlated with being more accepting of climate
science—among Democrats, dramatically so. The difference in acceptance
between more and less educated Democrats was 23 percentage points.

This was my first encounter with what I now like to call the "smart
idiots" effect: The fact that politically sophisticated or
knowledgeable people are often more biased, and less persuadable, than
the ignorant. It's a reality that generates endless frustration for
many scientists—and indeed, for many well-educated, reasonable people.

And most of all, for many liberals.

Let's face it: We liberals and progressives are absolutely outraged by
partisan misinformation. Lies about "death panels." People seriously
thinking that President Obama is a Muslim, not born in the United
States. Climate-change denial. Debt ceiling denial. These things drive
us crazy, in large part because we can't comprehend how such
intellectual abominations could possibly exist.

And not only are we enraged by lies and misinformation; we want to
refute them—to argue, argue, argue about why we're right and
Republicans are wrong. Indeed, we often act as though right-wing
misinformation's defeat is nigh, if we could only make people wiser
and more educated (just like us) and get them the medicine that is
correct information.

No less than President Obama's science adviser John Holdren (a man
whom I greatly admire, but disagree with in this instance) has stated,
when asked how to get Republicans in Congress to accept our mainstream
scientific understanding of climate change, that it's an "education
problem."

But the facts, the scientific data, say otherwise.

Indeed, the rapidly growing social scientific literature on the
resistance to global warming (see for examples here and here) says so
pretty unequivocally. Again and again, Republicans or conservatives
who say they know more about the topic, or are more educated, are
shown to be more in denial, and often more sure of themselves as
well—and are confident they don't need any more information on the
issue.

Tea Party members appear to be the worst of all. In a recent survey by
Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, they rejected the
science of global warming even more strongly than average Republicans
did. For instance, considerably more Tea Party members than
Republicans incorrectly thought there was a lot of scientific
disagreement about global warming (69 percent to 56 percent). Most
strikingly, the Tea Party members were very sure of themselves—they
considered themselves "very well-informed" about global warming and
were more likely than other groups to say they "do not need any more
information" to make up their minds on the issue.

But it's not just global warming where the "smart idiot" effect
occurs. It also emerges on nonscientific but factually contested
issues, like the claim that President Obama is a Muslim. Belief in
this falsehood actually increased more among better-educated
Republicans from 2009 to 2010 than it did among less-educated
Republicans, according to research by George Washington University
political scientist John Sides.

The same effect has also been captured in relation to the myth that
the healthcare reform bill empowered government "death panels."
According to research by Dartmouth political scientist Brendan Nyhan,
Republicans who thought they knew more about the Obama healthcare plan
were "paradoxically more likely to endorse the misperception than
those who did not." Well-informed Democrats were the opposite—quite
certain there were no "death panels" in the bill.

The Democrats also happened to be right, by the way.

The idealistic, liberal, Enlightenment notion that knowledge will save
us, or unite us, was even put to a scientific test last year—and it
failed badly.

Yale researcher Dan Kahan and his colleagues set out to study the
relationship between political views, scientific knowledge or
reasoning abilities, and opinions on contested scientific issues like
global warming. In their study, more than 1,500 randomly selected
Americans were asked about their political worldviews and their
opinions about how dangerous global warming and nuclear power are. But
that's not all: They were also asked standard questions to determine
their degree of scientific literacy (e.g, "Antibiotics kill viruses as
well as bacteria—true or false?") as well as their numeracy or
capacity for mathematical reasoning (e.g., "If Person A's chance of
getting a disease is 1 in 100 in 10 years, and person B's risk is
double that of A, what is B's risk?").

The result was stunning and alarming. The standard view that knowing
more science, or being better at mathematical reasoning, ought to make
you more accepting of mainstream climate science simply crashed and
burned.

Instead, here was the result. If you were already part of a cultural
group predisposed to distrust climate science—e.g., a political
conservative or "hierarchical-individualist"—then more science
knowledge and more skill in mathematical reasoning tended to make you
even more dismissive. Precisely the opposite happened with the other
group—"egalitarian-communitarians" or liberals—who tended to worry
more as they knew more science and math. The result was that, overall,
more scientific literacy and mathematical ability led to greater
political polarization over climate change—which, of course, is
precisely what we see in the polls.

So much for education serving as an antidote to politically biased reasoning.

What accounts for the "smart idiot" effect?

For one thing, well-informed or well-educated conservatives probably
consume more conservative news and opinion, such as by watching Fox
News. Thus, they are more likely to know what they're supposed to
think about the issues—what people like them think—and to be familiar
with the arguments or reasons for holding these views. If challenged,
they can then recall and reiterate these arguments. They've made them
a part of their identities, a part of their brains, and in doing so,
they've drawn a strong emotional connection between certain "facts" or
claims, and their deeply held political values. And they're ready to
argue.

What this suggests, critically, is that sophisticated conservatives
may be very different from unsophisticated or less-informed ones.
Paradoxically, we would expect less informed conservatives to be
easier to persuade, and more responsive to new and challenging
information.

In fact, there is even research suggesting that the most rigid and
inflexible breed of conservatives—so-called authoritarians—do not
really become their ideological selves until they actually learn
something about politics first. A kind of "authoritarian activation"
needs to occur, and it happens through the development of political
"expertise." Consuming a lot of political information seems to help
authoritarians feel who they are—whereupon they become more accepting
of inequality, more dogmatically traditionalist, and more resistant to
change.

So now the big question: Are liberals also "smart idiots"?

There's no doubt that more knowledge—or more political engagement—can
produce more bias on either side of the aisle. That's because it
forges a stronger bond between our emotions and identities on the one
hand, and a particular body of facts on the other.

But there are also reason to think that, with liberals, there is
something else going on. Liberals, to quote George Lakoff, subscribe
to a view that might be dubbed "Old Enlightenment reason." They really
do seem to like facts; it seems to be part of who they are. And
fascinatingly, in Kahan's study liberals did not act like smart idiots
when the question posed was about the safety of nuclear power.

Nuclear power is a classic test case for liberal biases—kind of the
flipside of the global warming issue--for the following reason. It's
well known that liberals tend to start out distrustful of nuclear
energy: There's a long history of this on the left. But this impulse
puts them at odds with the views of the scientific community on the
matter (scientists tend to think nuclear power risks are overblown,
especially in light of the dangers of other energy sources, like
coal).

So are liberals "smart idiots" on nukes? Not in Kahan's study. As
members of the "egalitarian communitarian" group in the study—people
with more liberal values--knew more science and math, they did not
become more worried, overall, about the risks of nuclear power.
Rather, they moved in the opposite direction from where these initial
impulses would have taken them. They become less worried—and, I might
add, closer to the opinion of the scientific community on the matter.

You may or may not support nuclear power personally, but let's face
it: This is not the "smart idiot" effect. It looks a lot more like
open-mindedness.

What does all of this mean?

First, these findings are just one small slice an emerging body of
science on liberal and conservative psychological differences, which I
discuss in detail in my forthcoming book. An overall result is
definitely that liberals tend to be more flexible and open to new
ideas—so that's a possible factor lying behind these data. In fact,
recent evidence suggests that wanting to explore the world and try new
things, as opposed to viewing the world as threatening, may subtly
push people towards liberal ideologies (and vice versa).

Politically and strategically, meanwhile, the evidence presented here
leaves liberals and progressives in a rather awkward situation. We
like evidence—but evidence also suggests that politics doesn't work in
the way we want it to work, or think it should. We may be the children
of the Enlightenment—convinced that you need good facts to make good
policies—but that doesn't mean this is equally true for all of
humanity, or that it is as true of our political opponents as it is of
us.

Nevertheless, this knowledge ought to be welcomed, for it offers a
learning opportunity and, frankly, a better way of understanding
politics and our opponents alike. For instance, it can help us see
through the scientific-sounding arguments of someone like Rick
Santorum, who has been talking a lot about climate science lately—if
only in order to bash it.

On global warming, Santorum definitely has an argument, and he has
"facts" to cite. And he is obviously intelligent and capable—but not,
apparently, able to see past his ideological biases. Santorum's
argument ultimately comes down to a dismissal of climate science and
climate scientists, and even the embrace of a conspiracy theory, one
in which the scientists of the world are conspiring to subvert
economic growth (yeah, right).

Viewing all this as an ideologically defensive maneuver not only
explains a lot, it helps us realize that refuting Santorum probably
serves little purpose. He'd just come up with another argument and
response, probably even cleverer than the last, and certainly just as
appealing to his audience. We'd be much better concentrating our
energies elsewhere, where people are more persuadable.

A more scientific understanding of persuasion, then, should not be
seen as threatening. It's actually an opportunity to do better—to be
more effective and politically successful.

Indeed, if we believe in evidence then we should also welcome the
evidence showing its limited power to persuade--especially in
politicized areas where deep emotions are involved. Before you start
off your next argument with a fact, then, first think about what the
facts say about that strategy. If you're a liberal who is emotionally
wedded to the idea that rationality wins the day—well, then, it's high
time to listen to reason.

More:
http://www.alternet.org/story/154252/the_republican_brain%3A_why_even_educated_conservatives_deny_science_--_and_reality?page=entire

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Spending, not Taxation, Is the Problem

Thursday, February 23, 2012
Spending, not Taxation, Is the Problem
by Jacob G. Hornberger

With President Obama and various Republican presidential candidates competing to reduce corporate income taxes, it must be election time. Do you ever feel like you're living in a Latin American country, where the presidential candidates are notorious for offering all sorts of political candy to the voters during the campaign season?

The whole notion of reducing taxes is, of course, ridiculous. Why? Because as Milton Friedman pointed out, the real level of taxation is the amount of money the government is spending. Whatever the government is spending is what the government must collect in taxes. Thus, when spending exceeds tax revenues and the government lowers taxes on one group, another group will have to make up the difference with increased taxes.

Suppose, for example, the government is spending $100,000. Suppose that there are three groups in society. Group A is paying $50,000 in taxes. Group B is paying $30,000. Group C is paying $20,000. The amount of ax revenues equals the amount of federal spending.

During campaign season, in the attempt to garner votes, presidential candidates promise to lower taxes for people in Group A by $20,000.

But that's not all. The candidates also promise to deliver additional government welfare to all three groups, the total cost of which will be $30,000.

The mainstream media cheers! The voters are ecstatic. This is absolutely fantastic! Reduced taxes and increased benefits! Would could be better than that? We have the best presidential candidates in the whole world!

But there is obviously a big problem. With the campaign promises, government expenditures will total $130,000 (including the additional $30,000 in welfare benefits) while tax receipts (including the $30,000 reduction in taxes for Group A) now total $70,000. That's a $60,000 deficit..

Since government gets its money through taxation, that's obviously a problem. The government must get the additional $60,000 from someone. By lowering taxes on Group A, the government must increase taxes on Groups A or B to cover the difference.

Of course, the government could go into the capital markets and borrow the money, which is what the U.S. government, the Greek government, and many other governments have been doing for a long time. But that only delays the inevitable. When the bonds come due, taxes must be imposed on people to pay off the amount borrowed.

Another course of action, one that the U.S. government has used for decades, is simply to print the money rather than impose higher taxes on those people in Groups B and C. That's where the Federal Reserve, or central bank, comes into play. Its job is to enable public officials to pay off government debt in money that then constantly falls in value due to its ever-increasing supply.

That's, in fact, why the value of the U.S. dollar is worth only a fraction of what it was worth when the Fed was established. It's also why Americans are now relegating to using coins consisting of cheap alloys rather than gold and silver. The bad money drove out the good money.

The obvious benefit to inflation is that it enables politicians to promise tax cuts and welfare increases without overt tax increases to make up the difference. Politicians know that the mainstream media and most voters will look upon them as fantastic magicians who clearly love the people. When prices begin rising in response to the debased currency, the politicians know that the mainstream media and most people will never figure out that it is the government's doing. They'll inevitably blame the rising prices on "big corporations," "greed," or "market forces."

The real problem facing our nation is the out-of-control spending spending that far exceeds the amount of taxes being collected. That has led and continued to lead to out-of- control debt, which inevitably leads to inflationary debasement of the money supply by the Federal Reserve.

As long as spending continues to soar, the economic problems facing the American people will continue to grow, just as they will continue to grow for the people of Greece.

The best solution out of this morass, however, is not just to cut federal spending so that it equals tax revenues. Instead, the time has come for Americans to challenging the entire welfare-state paradigm and warfare-state paradigm that have brought us so many problems.

Repealing and dismantling both the welfare state and the warfare state would mean no more socialist programs, including Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and no more overseas military empire or domestic military industrial complex. It would mean no more Federal Reserve. And it was mean no more income taxation, rendering moot political promises to reduce income taxes at election time.

http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2012-02-23.asp

Re: Wisdom Of Einstein

Wisdom Of Einstein
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In November 1954, five months before his death, Einstein summarized
his feelings about his role in the creation of the atomic bomb: "I
made one great mistake in my life... when I signed the letter to
President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made."

On Feb 22, 6:10 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Wisdom Of Einstein

Har har har

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/images2009/ringobushitler17.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/%3Fp%3D612&h=436&w=500&sz=54&tbnid=-e8o1CtYwMg7qM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=110&zoom=1&docid=QURLVhC-8Ufq6M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5l1GT46GNKje0QGWz6iaDg&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQ9QEwAg

On Feb 22, 4:03 pm, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Isn't it amazing how political hacks tend to use people not of their
> ideology, to lie to other people?
>
> Yeah, it's a joke... but it's not even funny, it's a
> misrepresentation.
> So why would anyone vote for the misrepresentation other than to be
> misrepresented?

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Re: New Baseline for discussion

If I invent it, build it, bring it to market and sell it... I can
sell
at whatever price the market will pay.
---------------------

Bada bing!

Radio Jock: Whaddya think about the Rolling Stones charging $300 a
ticket?

Ted Nugent: The Stones can charge anything they want.

Jock: But what about the guy with 3 kids, making 30 grand a year, and
has been buying their albums for 30 years?

Nuge: He can't go.

Perhaps you could 'splain this to Studio?

On Feb 22, 11:07 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I invent it, build it, bring it to market and sell it... I can sell
> at whatever price the market will pay. As the market goes up so does
> my price..as it goes down so does my price.... It is 100% my decision
> based on market pressures only.
>
> On Feb 22, 9:15 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > on this we agree
>
> > On Feb 22, 4:04 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > *"I typically adjust the rates I charge people depending on their ability
> > > to pay."
>
> > > *There's absolutely nothing wrong with this procedure. I have also done
> > > this very same act; it's a part of the free market. Such a procedure ties
> > > into the whole, "Supply & Demand" aspect of the market.
>
> > > Have you noticed that the price of NFL tickets have come down? The price
> > > of televisions? Stereos, computers, electronics in general?
>
> > > Economics 101.
>
> > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:22 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > Should there be any limit to what the "seller" can make?
> > > > ----
> > > > no .. the market will set the value
>
> > > > I typically adjust the rates I charge people depending on their
> > > > ability to pay.
> > > > ---
> > > > a choice you make
>
> > > > On Feb 22, 2:58 pm, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 22, 3:55 pm, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 20, 2:08 pm, JDR <jdrwarh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I am interested in what discussion may come from the following
> > > > > > > economic scenarios:
> > > > > > > First, a good or service is offered, which is purchased by a
> > > > > > > consumer. What is an acceptable amount of "profit" that should be
> > > > > > > made? Should there be any limit to what the "seller" can make?
>
> > > > > I typically adjust the rates I charge people depending on their
> > > > > ability to pay.
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Re: New Baseline for discussion

Greg from Boston wrote:
> The real question is who do you want to enforce the numbers?

Not you Greg.

>>>>DUH!!!!

> And apparently a tough question

No it was the easiest one so far.

And thanks for not answering the questions.

>>>>>Ditto. If ya couldn't figure out where my question of the question was going, ditch the computer, first, then the alphabet.

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Re: George Carlin on rich fat cigar smoking Republitards and the illusion of freedom

the culprit
was with the deregulation of Wall Street. It wasn't Bush......
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correct ... the GOP has to take credit for it

three years after the worst financial crisis since the Great
Depression, the consensus in the Republican Primary is that we should
deregulate Wall Street not just to where it was before the bubble
burst, but to somewhere nearer to where it was before Enron crashed

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/gop-deregulate-wall-street/2011/08/25/gIQAeJmNuL_blog.html

On Feb 14, 9:18 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You should get your facts straight first Studio; and learn who the culprit
> was with the deregulation of Wall Street. It wasn't Bush......
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:50 AM, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 14, 9:14 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I'm getting tired of that shit. Tired of that shit. Tired! I'm tired
> > > of fucking Earth Day! I'm tired of these self-righteous
> > > environmentalists;
>
> > > these white, bourgeois liberals
>
> > > who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't
> > > enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for their
> > > Volvos. - G.Carlin
>
> > Yeah he said that too... but they aren't the ones economically raped
> > the country now are they?
> > And besides that, you might hear about them once a year...
> > I've been hearing about bad economics for since Bush Jr. started
> > spending a trillion$ on defense and going along with deregulation of
> > Wall Street.
>
> > Deregulation by it's very definition means "to do what you want,
> > unfettered by others".
> > And that's exactly what they did.
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Pay Up or Die
by Laurence M. Vance

"I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Because I don't like to pay taxes, I was intrigued by the title of the article by Stephen Foster that I was directed to titled: " 102 Things NOT To Do If You Hate Taxes." The article is a liberal defense of the legitimacy of the government (usually federal, but sometimes state or local) confiscating a portion of Americans' incomes and redistributing and reallocating the incomes because the government provides certain services. Implied throughout the article is the myth that none of the 102 things listed "NOT to do" would exist without the government. The above Holmes quote appears at the end of the article.

Before the list of the 102 things "NOT to do if you hate taxes," the article is prefaced with this statement: "So, you're a Republican that hates taxes? Well, since you do not like taxes or government, please kindly do the following."

Since when do Republicans hate taxes? Since when do Republicans not like taxes or government other than when it is Democrats collecting the taxes and running the government? There is only one Republican member of Congress that I am aware of who has called for the complete elimination of the federal income tax – Ron Paul. Although I am not a Republican, since I still "hate taxes" and "do not like taxes or government," I feel compelled to analyze the list of things I should not do.

What follows is Foster's complete list of 102 things that no one should do if he hates taxes – all followed by my comments.

1. Do not use Medicare.
It is not the job of government to pay for medical care or have anything to do with medicine. But if the government is going to tax me for it against my will, then I am going to get my money back one way or another even if I have to use the service.

2. Do not use Social Security.
It is not the job of government to operate a retirement/disability system. But if the government is going to tax me for it against my will, then I am going to get my money back one way or another even if I have to use the service.

3. Do not become a member of the US military, who are paid with tax dollars.
First of all, who would want to be a member of the U.S. military in the first place? Secondly, most of what the military spends is on offense and should be cut from the budget. And third, the United States had no income tax until 1913, but certainly had no trouble funding a military before then.

4. Do not ask the National Guard to help you after a disaster.
It is not the job of the government to help anyone after a disaster. And it is a myth that no one would be helped after a disaster if the government did not send help. The American people are a resourceful and generous people.

5. Do not call 911 when you get hurt.
It is not the job of the government to provide 911 services. And it is a myth that this service could not be provided by the private sector.

6. Do not call the police to stop intruders in your home.
Especially when it is the police who are intruding in your home. More intruders are stopped dead every year with a gun than are stopped dead by police who don't arrive until after you are dead or have been robbed.

7. Do not summon the fire department to save your burning home.
It is not the job of the government to fight fires. And it is a myth fires would never be put out if the government did not provide fire fighters. Many fire departments are private and/or volunteer.

8. Do not drive on any paved road, highway, and interstate or drive on any bridge.
It is not the job of government to construct roads, highways, interstates, or bridges. And it is a myth that there would be no roads and bridges if the government did not construct them. In early American, most roads and bridges were privately owned and some of them are privately owned today. See Thomas DiLorenzo's "The Role of Private Transportation in America's 19th-Century "Internal Improvements" Debate" and Walter Block's The Privatization of Roads & Highways.

9. Do not use public restrooms.
It is not the job of government to provide restrooms. And it is a myth that no one would be able to find a restroom while traveling or walking about without the help of government. Any American can walk into any McDonalds anywhere and use the restroom.

10. Do not send your kids to public schools.
It is not the job of government to operate schools or have anything to do with education. And it is a myth that no one would be educated without government schools. Public schools are a recent development in American history. And just look at the multitude of private schools and parents that homeschool their children.

11. Do not put your trash out for city garbage collectors.
It is not the job of government to collect trash. And it is a myth that trash would not be collected if the government did not collect it. Many areas of the country rely on privately owned garbage collection companies.

12. Do not live in areas with clean air.
It is not the job of government to make sure that the air is clean. And it is a myth that the air would not be clean if the government did not establish air quality standards and mandate that they be followed.

13. Do not drink clean water.
It is not the job of government to make sure that drinking water is clean. And it is a myth that no drinking water would be clean if the government did not establish clean water standards and mandate that they be followed.

14. Do not visit National Parks.
It is not the job of government to designate National Parks. And it is a myth that there would be no large parks if the government did not designate them. But if the government is going to designate National Parks, then it should have user fees so that the ones who visit are the ones who pay for the privilege. Meanwhile, if the government is going to tax me for it against my will, then I am going to get my money's worth. See Gary North's "The National Parks: The Super-Rich's Greatest Idea."

15. Do not visit public museums, zoos, and monuments.
It is not the job of government to operate museums, zoos, and monuments. And it is a myth that no museums, zoos, and monuments worth seeing would exist if the government did not operate them. There are probably thousands of museums, zoos, and monuments across the country that are privately owned. But if the government is going to operate museums, zoos, and monuments, then it should have user fees so that the ones who visit are the ones who pay for the privilege. Meanwhile, if the government is going to tax me for it against my will, then I am going to get my money's worth.

16. Do not eat or use FDA inspected food and medicines.
It is not the job of government to inspect food or medicines or have an agriculture department or have anything to do with medicine. And it is a myth that no food or medicines would be inspected without the government inspecting them. Can Americans not even eat without government assistance?

17. Do not bring your kids to public playgrounds.
It is not the job of government to construct playgrounds. And it is a myth that kids would have no playgrounds if the government did not construct them. Many private developments now have playgrounds for the children of residents.

18. Do not walk or run on sidewalks.
It is not the job of government to construct or mandate or control sidewalks. I am looking out my office window at the sidewalk in front of my house as I type this and government is the last thing that comes to my mind. But for safety reasons, I don't recommend that anyone run on the sidewalk.

19. Do not use public recreational facilities such as basketball and tennis courts.
It is not the job of government to construct recreational facilities. And it is a myth that recreational facilities would not exist if the government did not build them.

20. Do not seek shelter facilities or food in soup kitchens when you are homeless and hungry.
It is not the job of government to shelter the homeless or feed the poor in soup kitchens. And it is a myth that the homeless would not be sheltered or the poor fed if the government did not operate or fund shelters and soup kitchens. Ever heard of rescue missions? They have been taking care of the physical and spiritual needs of the down-and-out for decades.

21. Do not apply for educational or job training assistance when you lose your job.
It is not the job of government to provide educational or job training assistance when you lose your job. And it is a myth that no one would receive educational or job training assistance if the government did not provide it.

22. Do not apply for food stamps when you can't feed your children.
It is not the job of government to issue food stamps to the poor. And it is a myth that the poor would go hungry if the government did not issue them food stamps. See my article "Food Stamp Politicians."

23. Do not use the judiciary system for any reason.
Good idea. Now, if only the government would quit charging people with victimless crimes and forcing them to use the judicial system.

24. Do not ask for an attorney when you are arrested and do not ask for one to be assigned to you by the court.
It is not the job of government to provide attorneys. And if the government would quit arresting people for victimless and made-up crimes, then few would need to ask for an attorney.

25. Do not apply for any Pell Grants.
It is not the job of government to provide Pell Grants or have anything to do with education. And it is a myth that no one would go to college without a Pell Grant. Americans went to college for hundreds of years before Pell Grants.

26. Do not use cures that were discovered by labs using federal dollars.
It is not the job of government to fund labs to discover cures for anything. And it is a myth that no cures would be discovered if the government did not fund labs. But regardless of who discovered them in the past, that is no reason not to use them now.

27. Do not fly on federally regulated airplanes.
It is not the job of government to regulate the airline industry or any other industry. And it is a myth that airlines would not be safe or operate as now without government regulations. I should also note that the federal government deregulated much of the airline industry beginning in 1979.

28. Do not use any product that can trace its development back to NASA.
It is not the job of government to have a space agency or develop products. See my article "Not Even the Sky Is the Limit."

29. Do not watch the weather provided by the National Weather Service.
It is not the job of government to operate a weather service. And it is a myth that no one would know the weather if the government did not operate a weather service. But if the government is going to tax me for it against my will, then I am going to watch to my heart's content.

30. Do not listen to severe weather warnings from the National Weather Service.
It is not the job of government to issue severe weather warnings. And it is a myth that no one would be warned about severe weather if the government did not do the warning. But if the government is going to tax me for it against my will, then I am going to listen to my heart's content.

31. Do not listen to tsunami, hurricane, or earthquake alert systems.
It is not the job of government to issue alerts for tsunamis, hurricanes, or earthquakes. And it is a myth that no one would be alerted to tsunamis, hurricanes, or earthquakes if the government did not do the alerting. But if the government is going to tax me for it against my will, then I am going to listen to my heart's content.

32. Do not apply for federal housing.
It is not the job of the government to provide housing or have anything to do with the housing industry. And it is a myth that the poor would have no housing if the government did not provide it. Government housing is a recent development in American history. And the vast majority of housing is privately owned.

33. Do not use the internet, which was developed by the military.
This is about as simplistic as saying that Al Gore created the Internet. No one who knew anything about the history of the Internet would make such a vague and crude statement.

34. Do not swim in clean rivers.
It is not the job of government to make sure that rivers are clean. And it is a myth that no rivers would be clean if the government did not establish river water standards and mandate that they be followed.

35. Do not allow your child to eat school lunches or breakfasts.
It is not the job of government to fund school lunches or breakfasts. And not everyone who eats breakfast or lunch at school has it paid for by the government.

36. Do not ask for FEMA assistance when everything you own gets wiped out by disaster.
It is not the job of government to provide anyone disaster assistance. And it is a myth that no one would receive assistance if the government did not provide it. The American people are a resourceful and generous people.

37. Do not ask the military to defend your life and home in the event of a foreign invasion.
The military is so busy fighting foreign wars and occupying foreign countries that Americans would be better off defending themselves.

38. Do not use your cell phone or home telephone.
What phones have to do with the government is beyond my comprehension.

39. Do not buy firearms that wouldn't have been developed without the support of the US Government and military. That includes most of them.
How do we know that these firearms wouldn't have been developed without the support of the U.S. government and military? But regardless of who developed them in the past, that is no reason not to use them now. How else will Americans be able to protect themselves from their government and military?

40. Do not eat USDA inspected produce and meat.
It is not the job of government to inspect produce and meat or have an agriculture department. And it is a myth that no produce or meat would be inspected without the government inspecting it. Can Americans not even eat without government assistance?

41. Do not apply for government grants to start your own business.
It is not the job of government to give grants to anyone to start a business. And it is a myth that no one would start a business if the government did not provide grants. Ever heard of venture capitalists? Ever heard of Steve Jobs or Michael Dell?

42. Do not apply to win a government contract.
Most government contracts should be eliminated. The United States had no income tax until 1913, but certainly had no trouble paying for government contracts before then

43. Do not buy any vehicle that has been inspected by government safety agencies.
It is not the job of government to inspect products or have safety agencies. Ever heard of Underwriters Laboratories? It is a private organization.

44. Do not buy any product that is protected from poisons, toxins, etc…by the Consumer Protection Agency.
It is not the job of government to protect products from poisons or toxins or have a Consumer Protection Agency. And it is a myth that products would be dangerous without government protection. There is no reason why private consumer protection agencies could not do the job.

45. Do not save your money in a bank that is FDIC insured.
It is not the job of government to be in the insurance business or have anything to do with banking.

46. Do not use Veterans benefits or military health care.
We have too many veterans because of our senseless foreign wars. And who would want to experience the horrors of military health care?

47. Do not use the G.I. Bill to go to college.
Again, we have too many veterans because of our senseless foreign wars. It is not the job of government to have anything to do with education.

48. Do not apply for unemployment benefits.
It is not the job of government to provide unemployment benefits. And it is a myth that no one would have unemployment insurance if the government did not provide it. Americans purchase on the free market health insurance, life insurance, cancer insurance, dental insurance, disability insurance, homeowners' insurance, renters' insurance, parcel-shipping insurance, and auto insurance. Why not unemployment insurance? See my "The Unemployment Racket."

49. Do not use any electricity from companies regulated by the Department of Energy.
It is not the job of government to regulate electricity companies or have a Department of Energy. And it is a myth that some people would not have electricity if the government did not provide it. Most electricity in the United States is provided by private companies.

50. Do not live in homes that are built to code.
It is not the job of government to establish building codes. And it is a myth that buildings would not be constructed safely if the government did not establish building codes.

51. Do not run for public office. Politicians are paid with taxpayer dollars.
Who would want to get elected to office and rub shoulders with the dregs of society? The United States had no income tax until 1913, but certainly had no trouble paying politicians before then.

52. Do not ask for help from the FBI, S.W.A.T, the bomb squad, Homeland Security, State troopers, etc…
Don't worry, we won't. We want to say as far away from these elements of the police state that we possibly can.

53. Do not apply for any government job whatsoever as all state and federal employees are paid with tax dollars.
Most state and federal jobs should be eliminated. The United States had no income tax until 1913, but certainly had no trouble paying government workers before then.

54. Do not use public libraries.
It is not the job of the government to provide libraries. And it is a myth that there would be no libraries if the government did not provide them. Have you been in a public library lately? I see a more people doing web surfing and checking out movies than I see checking out books.

55. Do not use the US Postal Service.
It is constitutional for the government to have a U.S. Postal Service. However, if people were allowed to compete with the Post Office on mail delivery without fear of going to jail because of the postal monopoly, then few people would use the Post Office. The Postal Service is supposed to be funded by the services it provides. If it is not taking in enough money to cover its costs, then it needs to raise its prices.

56. Do not visit the National Archives.
The United States had no income tax until 1913, but certainly had no trouble archiving documents before then. But if the government is going to maintain an archive, then it should have user fees so that the ones who visit are the ones who pay for the privilege.

57. Do not visit Presidential Libraries.
Presidential libraries are privately funded and do not belong in this list.

58. Do not use airports that are secured by the federal government.
It is not job of government to secure airports or have anything to do with aviation. And it is a myth that airline travel would not be safe without the groping hands of the TSA.

59. Do not apply for loans from any bank that is FDIC insured.
It is not the job of government to be in the insurance business or have anything to do with banking.

60. Do not ask the government to help you clean up after a tornado.
It is not the job of government to help anyone clean up after a tornado. And it is a myth that no one would get help cleaning up after a tornado if the government did not provide the help. The American people are a resourceful and generous people.

61. Do not ask the Department of Agriculture to provide a subsidy to help you run your farm.
It is not the job of government to subsidize agriculture or have an agriculture department.

62. Do not take walks in National Forests.
It is not the job of government to designate National Forests. And it is a myth that there would be no protected forests if the government did not protect them. But if the government is going to designate National Forests, then it should have user fees so that the ones who visit are the ones who pay for the privilege. Meanwhile, if the government is going to tax me for it against my will, then I am going to get my money's worth.

63. Do not ask for taxpayer dollars for your oil company.
It is not the job of government to transfer taxpayer money to oil companies or any other company.

64. Do not ask the federal government to bail your company out during recessions.
It is not the job of government to bail out any company during a recession or otherwise.

65. Do not seek medical care from places that use federal dollars.
It is not the job of government to spend federal dollars on medical care or have anything to do with medicine.

66. Do not use Medicaid.
It is not the job of government to pay for medical care or have anything to do with medicine. And it is a myth that the poor would not have access to medical care unless the government paid for it.

67. Do not use WIC.
It is not the job of the government to have welfare programs. And it is a myth that low-income women and their infants and children would go hungry if the government did not give them welfare.

68. Do not use electricity generated by Hoover Dam.
It is not the job of government to construct dams or generate electricity. Electricity generated by the Hoover Dam is paid for by those who use it. And it is a myth that some people would not have electricity if the government did not provide it. Most electricity in the United States is provided by private companies.

69. Do not use electricity or any service provided by the Tennessee Valley Authority.
It is not the job of government to generate electricity, provide any service by the TVA, or even have a TVA. It is a myth that some people would not have electricity if the government did not provide it. Most electricity in the United States is provided by private companies.

70. Do not ask the Army Corps of Engineers to rebuild levees when they break.
It is not the job of the government to build levees. It is a myth that no levees would be built or rebuilt if the government did not do the work.

71. Do not let the Coast Guard save you from drowning when your boat capsizes at sea.
Don't worry, it won't. The Coast Guard is too busy fighting the war on drugs.

72. Do not ask the government to help evacuate you when all hell breaks loose in the country you are in.
It is not the job of government to help evacuate anyone. Travel to other countries should be at one's own risk. But if the U.S. government would stop making enemies around the world, the people in other countries might be more inclined to protect Americans.

73. Do not visit historic landmarks.
It is not the job of government to designate historic landmarks. And it is a myth that there would be no historic landmarks if the government did not designate them.

74. Do not visit fisheries.
It is not the job of the government to have anything to do with the fish industry or any other industry.

75. Do not expect to see animals that are federally protected because of the Endangered Species List.
It is not the job of the government to protect endangered species. And it is a myth that endangered species would die out if the government did not protect them.

76. Do not expect plows to clear roads of snow and ice so your kids can go to school and so you can get to work.
It is not the job of government to build roads in the first place. And it is a myth that no roads would be cleared if the government did not clear them.

77. Do not hunt or camp on federal land.
The federal government shouldn't own any land outside of Washington DC that is not a military base. See my "This Land Is Not Your Land."

78. Do not work anywhere that has a safe workplace because of government regulations.
It is not the job of the government to institute workplace regulations. It is a myth that workplaces are only safe because of government regulations.

79. Do not use public transportation.
The New York City subway system was originally privately owned just as all "public" transportation should be and would be if governments did not regulate taxis and buses.

80. Do not drink water from public water fountains.
It is not the job of government to provide water fountains. And it is a myth that there would be no water fountains if the government did not provide them. Go into any Wal-Mart and get a drink if you're thirsty.

81. Do not whine when someone copies your work and sells it as their own. Government enforces copyright laws.
Copyrights are constitutional, but someone copying my work and selling it as his own is fraud. We don't need copyright laws to prevent that. The United States had no income tax until 1913, but certainly had no trouble enforcing copyright laws before then. On patents and copyrights, see the work of Stephan Kinsella. See also Against Intellectual Monopoly by Michele Boldrin and David K. Levine.

82. Do not expect to own your home, car, or boat. Government organizes and keeps all titles.
It is not the job of government to organize and keep titles. It is a myth that this could not be done without the help of government.

83. Do not expect convicted felons to remain off the streets.
Convicted felons roam the streets now. So what is your point?

84. Do not eat in restaurants that are regulated by food quality and safety standards.
It is not the job of government to regulate food quality and safety standards. It is a myth that restaurants are only safe to eat in because of government safety standards.

85. Do not seek help from the US Embassy if you need assistance in a foreign nation.
The United States had no income tax until 1913, but certainly had no trouble paying for ambassadors to foreign countries before then. And again, the government could institute user fees so that the ones who need help are the ones who pay for the help.

86. Do not apply for a passport to travel outside of the United States.
Why should the government require me to get a passport in the first place? This is a recent innovation.

87. Do not apply for a patent when you invent something.
Applying for a patent costs thousands of dollars so it seems as if those who use the patent system are the ones paying for the privilege. Patents are constitutional, but the positive effect of patents on innovation is dubious. On patents and copyrights, see the work of Stephan Kinsella. See also Against Intellectual Monopoly by Michele Boldrin and David K. Levine.

88. Do not adopt a child through your local, state, or federal governments.
It is not the job of government to have anything to do with the adoption of children. And the adoption tax credit should not be refundable.

89. Do not use elevators that have been inspected by federal or state safety regulators.
It is not the job of government to inspect the safety of elevators. It is a myth that elevators are only safe because of inspection by government safety regulators.

90. Do not use any resource that was discovered by the USGS.
The USGS is the United States Geologic Service. It is not the job of government to discover resources. It is a myth that resources would not be discovered without government assistance.

91. Do not ask for energy assistance from the government.
It is not the job of the government to provide energy assistance. It is a myth that the poor would suffer without energy assistance from the government. Many energy providers solicit money from their customers to help provide energy assistance to the poor.

92. Do not move to any other developed nation, because the taxes are much higher.
And so are the services. I didn't think it mattered how high the taxes were as long as commensurate government services were provided?

93. Do not go to a beach that is kept clean by the state.
It is not the job of government to keep beaches clean. It is a myth that beaches are only kept clean because the government cleans them.

94. Do not use money printed by the US Treasury.
We have no choice because of government legal tender laws.

95. Do not complain when millions more illegal immigrants cross the border because there are no more border patrol agents.
If the government would stop the drug war, end welfare, stop forcing schools to provide a free public education to children who are not American citizens, end birthright citizenship, and stop forcing hospitals to provide health care to those with no ability to pay, then the illegal immigrant problem would vanish.

96. Do not attend a state university.
It is not the job of state governments to provide education or have anything to do with education. And it is a myth that no one would be educated without government schools. There are a multitude of private colleges in existence. But if states have provisions in their constitutions to operate universities, then those who attend them should pay the full cost of their tuition.

97. Do not see any doctor that is licensed through the state.
It is not the job of government to license doctors or have anything to do with medicine.

98. Do not use any water from municipal water systems.
It is not the job of government to provide water. It is a myth that no one would have running water if the government did not provide it. Some water systems are privately owned, as they all could be and should be.

99. Do not complain when diseases and viruses, that were once fought around the globe by the US government and CDC, reach your house.
It is not the job of government to fight disease or have anything to do with medicine. And it is a myth that no diseases would be conquered if the government did not fight them.

100. Do not work for any company that is required to pay its workers a livable wage, provide them sick days, vacation days, and benefits.
It is not the job of government to require companies to pay certain wages or provide sick days, vacation days, or benefits. And just look at all the benefits that some companies offer that have nothing to do with government regulations. Wages and benefits should depend on a free labor market, not government decree.

101. Do not expect to be able to vote on election days. Government provides voting booths, election day officials, and voting machines which are paid for with taxes.
What difference would it make if no one voted for police statist A over police statist B? The United States had no income tax until 1913, but certainly had no trouble funding elections before then.

102. Do not ride trains. The railroad was built with government financial assistance.
It is not the job of government to finance railroad construction or have anything to do with the railroad industry. And it is a myth that no one could ride trains unless the government funded them. See Thomas DiLorenzo's The Role of Private Transportation in America's 19th-Century "Internal Improvements" Debate.

The author concludes: "Without taxes, our lifestyles would be totally different and much harder. America would be a third world country. The less we pay, the less we get in return."

Pay up or die. That is the mentality of "102 Things NOT To Do If You Hate Taxes." Without government oversight, businesses would do nothing but rip off their customers, poison their customers, endanger their customers, and kill their customers. Without government oversight, the air would be unfit to breath, rivers would all be contaminated, food would be poisonous, and drinking water would be full of toxic chemicals. Without government oversight, the poor would starve to death, there would be no transportation, no infrastructure, disease would be everywhere, only the rich would have access to health care, there would be no zoos, parks, forests, or museums, garbage would pile up in the streets, criminals and illegal immigrants would roam wild, no one would go to school, fires would burn out of control, and no product or workplace would be safe.

Pay up or die. Civilization depends on it.

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Re: JP CHALLENGE 2012

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--- On Thu, 2/23/12, Shehzad Kaleem <shehzadramta@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shehzad Kaleem <shehzadramta@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: **JP** CHALLENGE 2012
To: "joinpakistan@googlegroups.com" <joinpakistan@googlegroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 12:06 PM

BITTER GOURD

From: Waqar Shafi <waqar.shafi@gmail.com>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:47 PM
Subject: **JP** CHALLENGE 2012

WOH KON SA FRUIT HAY JO KACHA HO TU MEETA.
OR
PUK JAYEE TU KARWA HOTA HY…

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Regards.,

WAQAR SHAFI

I. T. PROFESSIONAL
KARACHI-PAKISTAN.
Email Me: waqar.shafi@gmail.com

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