Re: Pentagon Wants Delay on DADT Repeal

As I recall, Keith did not say ALL Dems are Marxists.... just those
that vote that way or have said they were indeed Marxists.

Please get the facts straight.

On Sep 21, 10:34 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *I am out of time and I will waste no more of it on this today. *
> *Democrats are not Marxists, Communists, or Socialists.*
> **
> *You are mistaken. *
>
> **
>
> *
>
> *
>
> On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey Tom,  since you seem to have a little time on your hands this
> > afternoon:
>
> > Here is a post by Travis from yesterday, which is captioned, "Communist
> > Goals - 1963 Congressional Record.   In the Congressional Record,  an
> > excerpt from, "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen is read and quoted.
>
> > Why don't you take the time to see how your Senators compare to this track
> > record?   How many of the current Democrats have supported the tenets and
> > platform from this excerpt in 1963?   I bet it would shock you to learn the
> > truth.
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/bb...
> > #
>
> >  On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> *Wrong again.*
> >> *Democrats are not Marxists.*
> >> **
> >> *Calling them such is not the truth, it is false slander.*
>
> >>   On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>> *Democrats are not Marxists. *
> >>> **
> >>> *That is as offensive as calling Republicans "Grand Oppressive Party
> >>> Rethugicans" and Tea Partiers "Teabaggers". *
> >>> **
> >>> *======================*
> >>> **
> >>> Which you do, at every opportunity that you get.   There is a distinction
> >>> however,   Those who I identify as "Marxists"  have a track record of their
> >>> votes and policies.
>
> >>> Sometimes the truth hurts Tom, but when politicians vote in a Marxist
> >>> fashion, what else would one call them?
> >>>  **
> >>> **
>
> >>>>  On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>   No Tom, you're missing the real issue here, blinded by some
> >>>>> secondary issue.
>
> >>>>> First, the Pentagon should have every right to review and determine how
> >>>>> repeal of DADT will effect the military.  Second, and more importantly, the
> >>>>> goal by the Marxists is to lock the Republicans out of amending the proposed
> >>>>> Defense  Appropriations bill now before the Congress.  I don't trust the
> >>>>> likes of Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank, and a host of other Marxists
> >>>>> controlling the vote over Defense Appropriations.  You shouldn't either.
>
> >>>>>  From CNN:
>
> >>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/20/senate.defense.bill/index.html
>
> >>>>> But in a statement issued Monday night, Senator Susan Collins
> >>>>> (Confused, Maine)  said she would side with the rest of the GOP because the
> >>>>> Democratic leadership of the Senate "intends to shut Republicans out of the
> >>>>> debate."
>
> >>>>> Collins said she agreed with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
> >>>>> Adm. Mike Mullen, that the law is "simply not fair." But she said Senate
> >>>>> Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, should give Republicans and Democrats
> >>>>> "an equal opportunity" to offer amendments to the defense bill.
>
> >>>>> "Now is not the time to play politics, and I again call on the majority
> >>>>> leader to work with Republican leaders to negotiate an agreement so that the
> >>>>> Senate can debate the defense bill this week," Collins said.
>
> >>>>> In a separate statement, Snowe also indicated she would support a
> >>>>> Republican filibuster, saying the chamber should be allowed a full debate on
> >>>>> the measure. Snowe also questioned why the Senate would vote on repeal
> >>>>> before the military has completed its review.
>
> >>>>> "We should all have the opportunity to review that report which is to
> >>>>> be completed on December 1, as we reevaluate this policy and the
> >>>>> implementation of any new changes," Snowe's statement said.
>
> >>>>> The defense authorization act, which is a broad defense policy bill,
> >>>>> would not rescind "don't ask, don't tell" until after the Pentagon completes
> >>>>> a review of the repeal's impact on the military. The review is due in
> >>>>> December and would serve as the basis for necessary certification by the
> >>>>> president, defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that
> >>>>> the military could handle repealing the policy.
>
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Re: Pentagon Wants Delay on DADT Repeal

Tommy Boy,

The law is quite literal...(extremely rare these days).. Don't Ask,
(the military doesn't) Don't Tell... that is left entirely up to the
individual... it must come FROM his or her mouth...( Little drum
roll ).... Not in it, to be valid as a career killer.

On Sep 21, 10:31 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *No, Keith. Wrong. *
> *There have been countless backstabbing "efforts" and vendettas to "out"
> closeted and silent members of the military, including baiting, spreading
> rumors, searching possessions and correspondence, entrapment, etc.*
> *It is those who chose to "enforce" the policy,  who caused it to fail.*
> **
> *Billions have been wasted on these witch hunts and discharges.*
> *DADT is a failure. Always has been. Since 1993. *
> **
> *Repeal it NOW, no further "delay". *
>
> On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > No Tom, the policy has worked fine.   It has been those who chose to
> > violate the policy who have had their "lives and carreers ruined".
>
> > Again, the military is no place for a "Gay Parade".......If you think that
> > rescinding the DADT policy is going to somehow allow you and your buddies to
> > get up and announce, "We're Here And We're Queer"; you are sadly mistaken.
>
> > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> *No, Keith, the DADT policy is a complete falure and it has never worked.
> >> *
> >> **
> >> *Thousands of lives and careers have been ruined.*
> >> **
> >> *No further biased "study" or delay should be tolerated.
> >> *
>
> >>   On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> No Tom, the DADT was enacted, by the Clinton Administration in 1993.  The
> >>> policy has worked, successfully for seventeen years.
>
> >>> Is it time to rescind the policy?  I tend to agree that it is, but not
> >>> until such time as the military has a chance to weigh in, and determine the
> >>> effects of such a change in policy, and "how/what" type of policy to
> >>> implement as a replacement.
>
> >>> Sexual practices has no place in our military.  There have been Gays in
> >>> our military who have fought and defended our Nation since 1776.   No policy
> >>> is going to change that.   We especially don't want a military that is
> >>> weakened by a bunch of folks with an agenda!!
>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>> *No, Keith.*
> >>>> **
> >>>> *The Pentagon has had since 1993 to review this failed policy which has
> >>>> ruined thousands of lives and careers.*
> >>>> **
> >>>> *No further delay is acceptable.*
> >>>> *Delay means do nothing.
> >>>> *
>
> >>>>  On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>   No Tom, you're missing the real issue here, blinded by some
> >>>>> secondary issue.
>
> >>>>> First, the Pentagon should have every right to review and determine how
> >>>>> repeal of DADT will effect the military.  Second, and more importantly, the
> >>>>> goal by the Marxists is to lock the Republicans out of amending the proposed
> >>>>> Defense  Appropriations bill now before the Congress.  I don't trust the
> >>>>> likes of Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank, and a host of other Marxists
> >>>>> controlling the vote over Defense Appropriations.  You shouldn't either.
>
> >>>>>  From CNN:
>
> >>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/20/senate.defense.bill/index.html
>
> >>>>> But in a statement issued Monday night, Senator Susan Collins
> >>>>> (Confused, Maine)  said she would side with the rest of the GOP because the
> >>>>> Democratic leadership of the Senate "intends to shut Republicans out of the
> >>>>> debate."
>
> >>>>> Collins said she agreed with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
> >>>>> Adm. Mike Mullen, that the law is "simply not fair." But she said Senate
> >>>>> Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, should give Republicans and Democrats
> >>>>> "an equal opportunity" to offer amendments to the defense bill.
>
> >>>>> "Now is not the time to play politics, and I again call on the majority
> >>>>> leader to work with Republican leaders to negotiate an agreement so that the
> >>>>> Senate can debate the defense bill this week," Collins said.
>
> >>>>> In a separate statement, Snowe also indicated she would support a
> >>>>> Republican filibuster, saying the chamber should be allowed a full debate on
> >>>>> the measure. Snowe also questioned why the Senate would vote on repeal
> >>>>> before the military has completed its review.
>
> >>>>> "We should all have the opportunity to review that report which is to
> >>>>> be completed on December 1, as we reevaluate this policy and the
> >>>>> implementation of any new changes," Snowe's statement said.
>
> >>>>> The defense authorization act, which is a broad defense policy bill,
> >>>>> would not rescind "don't ask, don't tell" until after the Pentagon completes
> >>>>> a review of the repeal's impact on the military. The review is due in
> >>>>> December and would serve as the basis for necessary certification by the
> >>>>> president, defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that
> >>>>> the military could handle repealing the policy.
>
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Re: Coons

Easy on the Mad Cow thing Bruce..... Denny Craig had it and he was a
great American.... :-)

On Sep 21, 9:35 am, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Malaria, AIDS dementia and mad cow disease
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Jonathan Ashley <
>
>
>
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> >  I find it interesting that so many of the left-leaning have spent time in
> > Kenya.
>
> > On 9/21/2010 8:21 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote:
>
> > Well, with all due respect Bruce, please allow me to break it down for ya:
>
> > Coons prides himself on being a Marxist:
>
> > *"Upon returning from Kenya, he described his personal journey as an
> > evolution into a "bearded Marxist." *
>
> > Coons damn near bankrupted New Castle County Delaware while serving as the
> > County Executive:
>
> > *"As New Castle County's spending skyrocketed by 10 percent under Coons'
> > leadership, Coons shifted the burden for to taxpayers with three massive
> > property tax hikes of 5 percent, 17.5 percent and 25 percent
> > respectively. In 2008, Fitch Ratings downgraded the county's "rating
> > outlook" from stable to negative because the county's cash balances were
> > decreasing under Coons'  stewardship*."
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Who would have guessed the DOJ woud lie about the Black Panther case - I would for one

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/proof-new-records-show-doj-lied-about-new-black-panther-dismissal/

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Re: Pentagon Wants Delay on DADT Repeal

Hey Jonathan!!

 

Thanks for sharing this!!! 

 

Uhm......Tom??  Any response????

 

 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:

In October 2009, the Democratic Socialists of America released in its newsletter a list of 70 members of the U.S. Congress who are members of the organization:

Co-Chairs

Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs

Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

Senate Members

Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

House Members

Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)
Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)
Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)
Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
Hon. André Carson (IN-07)
Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
Hon. William "Lacy" Clay (MO-01)
Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)
Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)
Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)
Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)
Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Hon. John Hall (NY-19)
Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)
Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)
Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)
Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)
Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)
Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)
Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)

On 9/21/2010 9:34 AM, Tommy News wrote:

I am out of time and I will waste no more of it on this today.

Democrats are not Marxists, Communists, or Socialists.

 

You are mistaken.

 

 

 

On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Tom,  since you seem to have a little time on your hands this afternoon:

 

Here is a post by Travis from yesterday, which is captioned, "Communist Goals - 1963 Congressional Record.   In the Congressional Record,  an excerpt from, "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen is read and quoted.

 

Why don't you take the time to see how your Senators compare to this track record?   How many of the current Democrats have supported the tenets and platform from this excerpt in 1963?   I bet it would shock you to learn the truth.

 

http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/bbc1dd23fc80d8c1#
 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Wrong again.

Democrats are not Marxists.

 

Calling them such is not the truth, it is false slander.

 

On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Democrats are not Marxists.

 

That is as offensive as calling Republicans "Grand Oppressive Party Rethugicans" and Tea Partiers "Teabaggers".

 

======================

 

Which you do, at every opportunity that you get.   There is a distinction however,   Those who I identify as "Marxists"  have a track record of their votes and policies.

 

Sometimes the truth hurts Tom, but when politicians vote in a Marxist fashion, what else would one call them?

 

 

 

 

On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

No Tom, you're missing the real issue here, blinded by some secondary issue.   

 

First, the Pentagon should have every right to review and determine how repeal of DADT will effect the military.  Second, and more importantly, the goal by the Marxists is to lock the Republicans out of amending the proposed Defense  Appropriations bill now before the Congress.  I don't trust the likes of Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank, and a host of other Marxists controlling the vote over Defense Appropriations.  You shouldn't either.

 

 From CNN:

 

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/20/senate.defense.bill/index.html
 

But in a statement issued Monday night, Senator Susan Collins  (Confused, Maine)  said she would side with the rest of the GOP because the Democratic leadership of the Senate "intends to shut Republicans out of the debate."

Collins said she agreed with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, that the law is "simply not fair." But she said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, should give Republicans and Democrats "an equal opportunity" to offer amendments to the defense bill.

"Now is not the time to play politics, and I again call on the majority leader to work with Republican leaders to negotiate an agreement so that the Senate can debate the defense bill this week," Collins said.

In a separate statement, Snowe also indicated she would support a Republican filibuster, saying the chamber should be allowed a full debate on the measure. Snowe also questioned why the Senate would vote on repeal before the military has completed its review.

"We should all have the opportunity to review that report which is to be completed on December 1, as we reevaluate this policy and the implementation of any new changes," Snowe's statement said.

The defense authorization act, which is a broad defense policy bill, would not rescind "don't ask, don't tell" until after the Pentagon completes a review of the repeal's impact on the military. The review is due in December and would serve as the basis for necessary certification by the president, defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that the military could handle repealing the policy.

 

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Re: Promise to Repeal DADT Ban Faces Republican Obstructionist Filibuster

If members of both parties spent more time filibustering we would not be as enslaved as we are today.

On 9/21/2010 10:28 AM, Tommy News wrote:

Promise to Repeal Gay Ban Faces Filibuster

By MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Doug Mills/The New York Times President Obama gestured during the State of the Union speech in January.

In his State of the Union address in January, President Obama repeated a campaign-trail promise to the gay community.

By the end of the year, Mr. Obama said, he would seek a full repeal of the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

The president called it a “law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are,” and he said repealing it was “the right thing to do.”

The promise faces a critical test today as supporters of the current policy say they will try to filibuster military defense legislation that includes the repeal. With midterm elections just six weeks away, a unified Republicans filibuster would likely mean a delay in fulfilling the president’s pledge until next year.

Opponents of an unrelated immigration measure included in the annual defense authorization bill are also vowing to filibuster, increasing the odds that both issues will be put off.

If the Democrats can’t muster 60 votes to cut off debate, the delay on “don’t ask, don’t tell” would be a blow to gay activists, members of a key White House constituency who fear that next year’s Congress will be less sympathetic to a repeal of the 17-year-old ban. The policy was enacted during President Bill Clinton’s first term.

And it would serve as another source of frustration for those who do not think Mr. Obama is moving quickly enough to make good on major promises, including a repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act and passage of legislation to ban discrimination against gays in hiring.

“It’s critical that it get done in the next week or so,” Aubrey Sarvis, the executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, said of the repeal of the military policy.

The network and other groups have praised Mr. Obama and his White House for helping to negotiate a deal with Democratic lawmakers that moved a repeal effort forward while allowing the Pentagon to conduct a study on how best to implement the change in policy. That led to public announcements of support for the repeal in May by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

But Mr. Sarvis said on Monday: “We need the administration to weigh in and ask the Senate to take up this bill. I haven’t heard the president’s voice in recent days on this issue. But I know he’s an advocate for repeal. He wants repeal.”

Repeal is one of a series of promises that Mr. Obama made in the early days of his administration, only to find that negotiations with Congress were more difficult than he had imagined. The president’s pledge to close the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, also remains unfulfilled, with little sign that a solution will come soon.

Among the biggest critics of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal has been Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, a longtime member of the Senate Armed Services committee. Mr. McCain has said consideration of such an idea in Congress should wait until the Pentagon’s study is completed.

As today’s vote neared, advocates for repeal stepped up their lobbying. They paid particular attention to the two moderate Republican senators from Maine, Olympia J. Snowe and Susan Collins. Ms. Collins voted on the Armed Services committee to support the repeal, but both senators have expressed concern about the defense spending bill, largely on procedural grounds.

In a statement on Monday, Ms. Snowe said that the Democratic leadership should allow Republicans to offer amendments to the defense bill.

Craig Dilger for The New York Times Lady Gaga spoke to supporters of gay rights in Portland, Me., on Monday.

“The Senate should have the ability to debate more than the three amendments the majority leader is allowing, especially as this bill is the largest discretionary authorization measure that Congress considers,” Ms. Snowe said in the statement.

The pop music sensation Lady Gaga traveled to Maine on Monday evening for a rally in support of the repeal. “If you are not honorable enough to fight without prejudice, go home,” she told the crowd at the rally.

The immigration provision in the defense spending bill would provide a path to citizenship for young people who have lived in the United States for five years and spent two years in either college or the military.

A White House spokesman, Shin Inouye, declined to comment on the “don’t ask, don’t tell” or the immigration provisions, but said Monday night that the spending bill was “important for the overall health and well being of our forces, especially given the ongoing campaigns in Iraq, Afghanistan, and around the world.”

“This legislation received bipartisan support in the House and in the Senate Armed Services Committee, and the president hopes it receives similar bipartisan support in the Senate,” Mr. Inouye said.

Two senators, Richard Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, and Joseph I. Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, plan to hold a news conference this morning to urge their colleagues to vote in favor of moving the legislation forward.

The vote is scheduled for around 2:15 this afternoon.

More:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/21/senate-democrats-dont-filibuster-gay-service-ban/

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Re: Coons

P.S.:   I loved your "Moonbat" post on Sunday night!!!

 

 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

Please do!!!  Lookin' forward to it!!!

 

 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Cold Water <coldwater000@gmail.com> wrote:

Well I ..ah...gave it careful consideration and decided to clear the air on the issue in case some were wondering.  LMAO!!!  I think it is a personal matter and I won't ask and you don't need to tell.

 

I've been looking for a piece I read on the Internet years ago.  It was a candid and totally hysterical (pyp funny) response to the anti-masturbation crowd.  If I find it, I will, of course, post it.

 

:-)))

 

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<Grin>!!

 

CW <pro-masturbation despite being Catholic and conservative>

 

On behalf of all of Tampa, Florida, and Political Forum, we say:  "Thank You"  CW, for sharing this with us!!!  It's good to know!!!

 

 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Cold Water <coldwater000@gmail.com> wrote:

The absolutely beautiful thing about these efforts by liberals is they tend to backfire on them and the results can be amazing.  Look at all the money they made for Sarah Palin. :-)

 

CW <pro-masturbation despite being Catholic and conservative>

 

 

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Subject: Re: Coons

<Grin>!!  Good point Jonathan!!  It just dawned on me!!

 

"But Christine O'Donnell isn't really the issue here. The more interesting and relevant stories arising out of her primary victory are: 1) the liberals' efforts to paint her -- along with other mainstream conservatives, including the entire tea party movement -- as extreme and, frankly, a bit wacko when the real extremism resides in the Democratic Party; 2) the liberals' efforts to fabricate a major schism in the GOP when, in fact, the real dissension of consequence is occurring in their own Democratic Party; and 3) establishment Republicans disgruntled over their inability to control the selection of candidates going forward, their apparent anxiety about the entire tea party phenomenon as rocking their world, and their resulting collusion with the liberal establishment to discredit the upstarts, who are beyond their power to manage and manipulate."

David Limbaugh:  9.21.10

 

Read more: http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2010/09/limbaugh-paradigm-shift-in-politics-lost-on-establishment.php#ixzz10B6k5jlD

 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:

I find it interesting that so many of the left-leaning have spent time in Kenya.

On 9/21/2010 8:21 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote:

Well, with all due respect Bruce, please allow me to break it down for ya:

 

Coons prides himself on being a Marxist:

 

"Upon returning from Kenya, he described his personal journey as an evolution into a "bearded Marxist."

 

Coons damn near bankrupted New Castle County Delaware while serving as the County Executive:

 

"As New Castle County's spending skyrocketed by 10 percent under Coons' leadership, Coons shifted the burden for to taxpayers with three massive property tax hikes of 5 percent, 17.5 percent and 25 percent respectively. In 2008, Fitch Ratings downgraded the county's "rating outlook" from stable to negative because the county's cash balances were decreasing under Coons'  stewardship."

 

http://www.nrsc.org/fact-check-chris-coons-led-new-castle-county-to-verge-of-bankruptcy-democrat%E2%80%99s-claims-of-%E2%80%9Crestored-financial-health%E2%80%9D-ring-hollow-in-face-of-disastrous-record-as-new-castle-county-executive

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Re: Pentagon Wants Delay on DADT Repeal

In October 2009, the Democratic Socialists of America released in its newsletter a list of 70 members of the U.S. Congress who are members of the organization:

Co-Chairs

Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs

Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

Senate Members

Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

House Members

Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)
Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)
Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)
Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
Hon. André Carson (IN-07)
Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
Hon. William "Lacy" Clay (MO-01)
Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)
Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)
Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)
Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)
Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Hon. John Hall (NY-19)
Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)
Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)
Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)
Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)
Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)
Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)
Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)

On 9/21/2010 9:34 AM, Tommy News wrote:

I am out of time and I will waste no more of it on this today.

Democrats are not Marxists, Communists, or Socialists.

 

You are mistaken.

 

 

 

On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Tom,  since you seem to have a little time on your hands this afternoon:

 

Here is a post by Travis from yesterday, which is captioned, "Communist Goals - 1963 Congressional Record.   In the Congressional Record,  an excerpt from, "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen is read and quoted.

 

Why don't you take the time to see how your Senators compare to this track record?   How many of the current Democrats have supported the tenets and platform from this excerpt in 1963?   I bet it would shock you to learn the truth.

 

http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/bbc1dd23fc80d8c1#
 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Wrong again.

Democrats are not Marxists.

 

Calling them such is not the truth, it is false slander.

 

On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Democrats are not Marxists.

 

That is as offensive as calling Republicans "Grand Oppressive Party Rethugicans" and Tea Partiers "Teabaggers".

 

======================

 

Which you do, at every opportunity that you get.   There is a distinction however,   Those who I identify as "Marxists"  have a track record of their votes and policies.

 

Sometimes the truth hurts Tom, but when politicians vote in a Marxist fashion, what else would one call them?

 

 

 

 

On 9/21/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

No Tom, you're missing the real issue here, blinded by some secondary issue.   

 

First, the Pentagon should have every right to review and determine how repeal of DADT will effect the military.  Second, and more importantly, the goal by the Marxists is to lock the Republicans out of amending the proposed Defense  Appropriations bill now before the Congress.  I don't trust the likes of Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank, and a host of other Marxists controlling the vote over Defense Appropriations.  You shouldn't either.

 

 From CNN:

 

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/20/senate.defense.bill/index.html
 

But in a statement issued Monday night, Senator Susan Collins  (Confused, Maine)  said she would side with the rest of the GOP because the Democratic leadership of the Senate "intends to shut Republicans out of the debate."

Collins said she agreed with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, that the law is "simply not fair." But she said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, should give Republicans and Democrats "an equal opportunity" to offer amendments to the defense bill.

"Now is not the time to play politics, and I again call on the majority leader to work with Republican leaders to negotiate an agreement so that the Senate can debate the defense bill this week," Collins said.

In a separate statement, Snowe also indicated she would support a Republican filibuster, saying the chamber should be allowed a full debate on the measure. Snowe also questioned why the Senate would vote on repeal before the military has completed its review.

"We should all have the opportunity to review that report which is to be completed on December 1, as we reevaluate this policy and the implementation of any new changes," Snowe's statement said.

The defense authorization act, which is a broad defense policy bill, would not rescind "don't ask, don't tell" until after the Pentagon completes a review of the repeal's impact on the military. The review is due in December and would serve as the basis for necessary certification by the president, defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that the military could handle repealing the policy.

 

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About time the Boston Police started enforcing the law against illegal immigration

    The city is already giving checks to illegals and providing them with city housing - now the illegals think they should not be penalized for being here illegally.

Police defend status checks

Hub arrestee scrutiny, part of US program, alarms immigrants

Edward F. Davis, the Boston police commissioner, said the program helps get criminals off the city’s streets.

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Boston Police Commissioner Edward F. Davis, a strong critic of using police to enforce immigration laws, yesterday defended the city’s participation in a controversial federal program that automatically checks the immigration status of everyone arrested.

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The goal of the controversial program, called Secure Communities, is to identify dangerous criminals and turn them over to the US Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement for eventual deportation.

Advocates warn that noncriminals are being swept up at the same time.

But Davis said his staff reviewed the list of people caught through the program over the past two years and determined that all of those turned over to immigration officials met the goal of removing gang members and other criminals from the streets.

“We’ve looked into each and every one of the cases, and we’re satisfied that the promise we made to the community still stands,’’ said Davis yesterday in his first interview on the matter. “We’ve made clear that if ICE begins to deport people who are simply being picked up for traffic violations and overstaying their visas, then we’re not going to participate in the program.’’

Many advocates for immigrants, however, say the program will deter immigrants from reporting crimes because they fear police.

“How can the Boston police say that this is going to give us more security?’’ said Patricia Montes, executive director of Centro Presente, an area nonprofit. “People are going to be afraid to report crimes. That means that crime will be occurring, and immigrants will be afraid to go to the police.’’

The controversy is unexpected in a city that is widely viewed as friendly to all immigrants and where 27.5 percent of the residents are foreign born.

Earlier this year the City Council passed a resolution boycotting Arizona because of its new immigration law.

In one of his first acts as commissioner in 2006, Davis decried a plan by Governor Mitt Romney to have State Police help enforce immigration law, saying that “expanding immigration enforcement to local police would have an overall negative effect on the department’s continued efforts to enhance community trust.’’

Federal statistics indicate that the Boston program has snared both violent and nonviolent offenders.

Of the 230 people turned over to ICE since the program began in 2008, nearly half had been convicted of crimes: 53 were violent offenders, such as murderers, rapists, and those who pose a threat to national security; 32 had committed a felony such as property crime or extortion; and 20 had multiple misdemeanor convictions, including minor drug offenses and disorderly conduct.

The remainder had been arrested for noncriminal immigration violations. Almost half have been deported.

But Davis said they were all involved in criminal activity, including those with criminal records from other states.

Advocates for immigrants, many of whom were unaware of the program until a WBUR report last month, are going on the offensive to protest the program.

Centro Presente, working with the ACLU of Massachusetts, will be rolling out educational seminars next month and publicizing the program on Spanish and Portuguese language radio stations.

Heloisa Galvao, head of the Brazilian Women’s Group in Allston, said a woman came to her recently after her husband was placed in deportation proceedings after being stopped by the Boston police. His family and those helping him could not figure out why. Now, she said, she believes it was because of Secure Communities.

“It’s horrible,’’ she said. “I felt like I was betrayed because we have always been told that the Boston police did not participate in this kind of program, so that’s what we have been telling our community, that Boston is not that bad.’’

But others say it is crucial for federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies to collaborate with one another to fight gangs, crime, and terrorism.

“I think it’s a really good idea,’’ said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, which favors stricter controls on immigration. “I can’t think of any good reason to be opposed to it.’’

Davis said that the Secure Communities program is different from Romney’s program, which sought to have state troopers actively enforce immigration law. He said Boston police do not seek out immigrants and only hand over those whom federal officials request.

Boston piloted the program starting in September 2006, two months before Davis became commissioner, as a way to ensure that they were properly identifying everyone who was taken into custody.

The fledgling program was publicized at that time as a pilot designed to catch suspects wanted for serious immigration violations.

Since then, anyone who is arrested, including native-born Americans, has been checked through criminal and immigration databases. Federal immigration officials are automatically notified if someone is wanted for immigration violations, and it is up to federal officials to pick them up.

In 2008, the pilot morphed into a national program called Secure Communities, which now exists in 617 jurisdictions across the United States.

The Obama administration hopes to take it nationwide by 2013. Boston is the only one enrolled in Massachusetts.

Bruce Chadbourne, director of ICE’s enforcement and removal operations in New England, said Secure Communities follows a national mandate for better coordination among all law enforcement officials.

“It’s basically a one-stop shopping process where you run one check and it’s run through all these databases and you get the information back so you know exactly who you’re dealing with,’’ he said.

Boston is “not expected to enforce immigration laws,’’ he said. “That’s our responsibility. We’re communicating, as all law enforcement — federal, state and local — should be doing. And if we don’t, shame on us.’’

Maria Cramer of the Globe staff contributed to this report. Maria Sacchetti can be reached at msacchetti@globe.com.

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