Plainol... ICE has such places in operation in the US ... Nothing new.
On Jun 19, 9:42 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Israeli government has announced that 25,000 "holding cells" will
> be built for "infiltrators"—a move, which, if duplicated in any other
> country on earth, would instantly have the Jewish lobbies wailing
> about "concentration camps."
>
> According to a report in the Israeli news service Ynet, the Israeli
> Defense Ministry "says all new infiltrators will be sent to one of
> five holding facilities from now on."
>
> Using the phrase "infiltrators" as a fact (obviously in accordance
> with instructions from above), all Israeli news sources have presented
> the flood of African refugees entering Israel as a threat to the
> "Jewish nature" of Israel.
>
> At the same time, Jewish lobbies across the western world have been at
> the forefront of promoting mass immigration to those nations.
>
> The new facilities will be placed under the jurisdiction of the Israel
> Prison Service and Ministry of the Interior.
>
> Meanwhile, the construction of a fence on the Egyptian border
> continues at a speed of one kilometer per day. According to the
> Defense Ministry, 95% of the fence will be completed by October of
> this year. More than 170 kilometers have already been built so far.
>
> Ynet news continues: "Devised by Defense Ministry Director Udi Shani
> in conjunction with the IDF, the plan aims to see all new infiltrators
> sent directly to holding facilities, where they will spend long
> periods of times.
>
> Three new facilities are set to be built in the Keziot compound and
> join the Prison Service's Saharonim holding facility and Keziot
> prison. According to the Defense Ministry's statement, the preparation
> of water, sewage and electricity infrastructure is at an advanced
> stage.
>
> Construction of the fence is set to be complete by early 2013. More
> than 100 contractors who won Defense Ministry contracts are working
> simultaneously along the Egypt border, operating 480 pieces of heavy
> machinery.
>
> In a special meeting on the issue, Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu
> listed steps which he said were meant to "solve the infiltrator
> problem," including construction of holding facilities and sanctions
> against employers of infiltrators.
>
> He noted that Interior Minister Eli Yishai is preparing the "removal
> of the infiltrators" and that the internal security minister will aim
> to arrest criminal infiltrators in the Tel Aviv area.
>
> "These means and others will start to reverse the trend and we will
> begin to solve it. It's a tough problem but we're handing it,"
> Netanyahu said.
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Tuesday, June 19, 2012
Re: Jesus Akbar
The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
----
Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage.
---
whatever
On Jun 19, 11:48 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes it does, you are incorrect.
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:37 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > You said: Jesus was an Asine ... has nothing to do with Jesus's
> > ancestry and lineage
>
> > On Jun 19, 10:34 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage.
>
> > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew.
> > > > ---
> > > > The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
> > > > birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was an
> > Asine
> > > > > (sp)..
>
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
> > markmka...@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small
> > scourge
> > > > > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power
> > and
> > > > > > can do no real harm...
>
> > > > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> > > > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> > > > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> > > > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > > > advocated?
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would
> > he
> > > > do
> > > > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > > > advocated?
>
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran,
> > > > Talmud and
> > > > > > > > > NT.
>
> > > > > > > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a
> > Christian
> > > > > > school,
> > > > > > > > > > Lipscomb<
>
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > > > .>University,
> > > > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in
> > harmony
> > > > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America,
> > > > Christians
> > > > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he
> > says
> > > > > > that we
> > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different
> > > > faiths
> > > > > > to get
> > > > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at
> > scriptures
> > > > is
> > > > > > indeed
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem
> > is
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that
> > > > someone
> > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone
> > who is
> > > > > > ignorant
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to
> > model
> > > > > > their life
> > > > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of
> > > > Mohammed
> > > > > > is found
> > > > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of
> > the
> > > > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual
> > > > doctrine.
> > > > > > Volf,
> > > > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about
> > Allah.
> > > > > > There is a
> > > > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently
> > abstract
> > > > that
> > > > > > he can
> > > > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by
> > cherry-picking
> > > > > > verses and
> > > > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull
> > > > > > session.
>
> > > > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > Koran
> > > > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels,
> > Psalms
> > > > > > and Torah
> > > > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not
> > > > mentioned.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity
> > and
> > > > all
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the
> > > > foundation
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including
> > > > Christians).
> > > > > > He also
> > > > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > > > > > > attacks<
>
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > > > .>since
> > > > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of
> > > > continuous
> > > > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What
> > are
> > > > ugly
> > > > > > facts
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work
> > toward
> > > > the
> > > > > > common
> > > > > > > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia.
> > The
> > > > > > place for
> > > > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*,
> > a
> > > > > > semi-slave.
> > > > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into
> > place,
> > > > > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated.
> > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the
> > Sharia.
> > > > > > When
> > > > > > > > > Islam
> > > > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was
> > 100%
> > > > > > Christian.
> > > > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian
> > > > population.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by
> > reversing
> > > > the
> > > > > > "our
> > > > > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between
> > neighbors
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > nations,
> > > > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy
> > bridges,
> > > > he
> > > > > > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor
> > until
> > > > the
> > > > > > day he
> > > > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a
> > > > sacred
> > > > > > life).
> > > > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman)
> > > > > > followed his
> > > > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians
> > as
> > > > fast
> > > > > > as they
> > > > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the
> > time
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical
> > > > > > civilization of
> > > > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity.
> > The
> > > > > > classical
> > > > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of
> > > > > > Christianity was
> > > > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of
> > jihad. The
> > > > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the
> > > > year
> > > > > > 630 AD
> > > > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were
> > > > > > annihilated by
> > > > > > > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the
> > > > Koran
> > > > > > written
> > > > > > > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > > > > > > 24%<
>
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > > > .>is
> > > > > > > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends,
> > which
> > > > > > frequently
> > > > > > > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and
> > > > garnered
> > > > > > 150
> > > > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he
> > > > died
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > Arab
> > > > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him
> > > > successful.
>
> > > > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive
> > > > Kafirs
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > impose
> > > > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics
> > have
> > > > one
> > > > > > set of
> > > > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs.
> > Ethics
> > > > > > based on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with
> > > > morality,
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a
> > > > Golden
> > > > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight.
> > Allah
> > > > > > denies the
> > > > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go
>
> ...
>
> read more »
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birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
----
Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage.
---
whatever
On Jun 19, 11:48 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes it does, you are incorrect.
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:37 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > You said: Jesus was an Asine ... has nothing to do with Jesus's
> > ancestry and lineage
>
> > On Jun 19, 10:34 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage.
>
> > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew.
> > > > ---
> > > > The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
> > > > birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was an
> > Asine
> > > > > (sp)..
>
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
> > markmka...@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small
> > scourge
> > > > > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power
> > and
> > > > > > can do no real harm...
>
> > > > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> > > > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> > > > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> > > > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > > > advocated?
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would
> > he
> > > > do
> > > > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > > > advocated?
>
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran,
> > > > Talmud and
> > > > > > > > > NT.
>
> > > > > > > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a
> > Christian
> > > > > > school,
> > > > > > > > > > Lipscomb<
>
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > > > .>University,
> > > > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in
> > harmony
> > > > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America,
> > > > Christians
> > > > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he
> > says
> > > > > > that we
> > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different
> > > > faiths
> > > > > > to get
> > > > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at
> > scriptures
> > > > is
> > > > > > indeed
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem
> > is
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that
> > > > someone
> > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone
> > who is
> > > > > > ignorant
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to
> > model
> > > > > > their life
> > > > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of
> > > > Mohammed
> > > > > > is found
> > > > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of
> > the
> > > > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual
> > > > doctrine.
> > > > > > Volf,
> > > > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about
> > Allah.
> > > > > > There is a
> > > > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently
> > abstract
> > > > that
> > > > > > he can
> > > > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by
> > cherry-picking
> > > > > > verses and
> > > > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull
> > > > > > session.
>
> > > > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > Koran
> > > > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels,
> > Psalms
> > > > > > and Torah
> > > > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not
> > > > mentioned.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity
> > and
> > > > all
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the
> > > > foundation
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including
> > > > Christians).
> > > > > > He also
> > > > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > > > > > > attacks<
>
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > > > .>since
> > > > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of
> > > > continuous
> > > > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What
> > are
> > > > ugly
> > > > > > facts
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work
> > toward
> > > > the
> > > > > > common
> > > > > > > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia.
> > The
> > > > > > place for
> > > > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*,
> > a
> > > > > > semi-slave.
> > > > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into
> > place,
> > > > > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated.
> > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the
> > Sharia.
> > > > > > When
> > > > > > > > > Islam
> > > > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was
> > 100%
> > > > > > Christian.
> > > > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian
> > > > population.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by
> > reversing
> > > > the
> > > > > > "our
> > > > > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between
> > neighbors
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > nations,
> > > > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy
> > bridges,
> > > > he
> > > > > > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor
> > until
> > > > the
> > > > > > day he
> > > > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a
> > > > sacred
> > > > > > life).
> > > > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman)
> > > > > > followed his
> > > > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians
> > as
> > > > fast
> > > > > > as they
> > > > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the
> > time
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical
> > > > > > civilization of
> > > > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity.
> > The
> > > > > > classical
> > > > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of
> > > > > > Christianity was
> > > > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of
> > jihad. The
> > > > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the
> > > > year
> > > > > > 630 AD
> > > > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were
> > > > > > annihilated by
> > > > > > > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the
> > > > Koran
> > > > > > written
> > > > > > > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > > > > > > 24%<
>
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > > > .>is
> > > > > > > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends,
> > which
> > > > > > frequently
> > > > > > > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and
> > > > garnered
> > > > > > 150
> > > > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he
> > > > died
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > Arab
> > > > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him
> > > > successful.
>
> > > > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive
> > > > Kafirs
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > impose
> > > > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics
> > have
> > > > one
> > > > > > set of
> > > > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs.
> > Ethics
> > > > > > based on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with
> > > > morality,
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a
> > > > Golden
> > > > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight.
> > Allah
> > > > > > denies the
> > > > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go
>
> ...
>
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Re: Jesus Akbar
Yes it does, you are incorrect.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:37 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
You said: Jesus was an Asine ... has nothing to do with Jesus's
ancestry and lineage
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
On Jun 19, 10:34 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage.
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM, plainolamerican
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew.
> > ---
> > The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
> > birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
>
> > On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was an Asine
> > > (sp)..
>
> > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge
> > > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and
> > > > can do no real harm...
>
> > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
> > > > > ---
> > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he
> > do
> > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
>
> > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
>
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran,
> > Talmud and
> > > > > > > NT.
>
> > > > > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian
> > > > school,
> > > > > > > > Lipscomb<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>University,
> > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony
> > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America,
> > Christians
> > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says
> > > > that we
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different
> > faiths
> > > > to get
> > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures
> > is
> > > > indeed
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that
> > someone
> > > > wants
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is
> > > > ignorant
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model
> > > > their life
> > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of
> > Mohammed
> > > > is found
> > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual
> > doctrine.
> > > > Volf,
> > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah.
> > > > There is a
> > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract
> > that
> > > > he can
> > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking
> > > > verses and
> > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull
> > > > session.
>
> > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that
> > the
> > > > Koran
> > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms
> > > > and Torah
> > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not
> > mentioned.
>
> > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and
> > all
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the
> > foundation
> > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including
> > Christians).
> > > > He also
> > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > > > > attacks<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>since
> > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of
> > continuous
> > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are
> > ugly
> > > > facts
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward
> > the
> > > > common
> > > > > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The
> > > > place for
> > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a
> > > > semi-slave.
> > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place,
> > > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated.
> > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia.
> > > > When
> > > > > > > Islam
> > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100%
> > > > Christian.
> > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian
> > population.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing
> > the
> > > > "our
> > > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between neighbors
> > and
> > > > > > > nations,
> > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges,
> > he
> > > > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until
> > the
> > > > day he
> > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a
> > sacred
> > > > life).
> > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman)
> > > > followed his
> > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as
> > fast
> > > > as they
> > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time
> > the
> > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical
> > > > civilization of
> > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The
> > > > classical
> > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of
> > > > Christianity was
> > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The
> > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the
> > year
> > > > 630 AD
> > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were
> > > > annihilated by
> > > > > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the
> > Koran
> > > > written
> > > > > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > > > > 24%<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>is
> > > > > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends, which
> > > > frequently
> > > > > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and
> > garnered
> > > > 150
> > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he
> > died
> > > > every
> > > > > > > Arab
> > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him
> > successful.
>
> > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive
> > Kafirs
> > > > and
> > > > > > > impose
> > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have
> > one
> > > > set of
> > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics
> > > > based on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with
> > morality,
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a
> > Golden
> > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight. Allah
> > > > denies the
> > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the
> > Golden
> > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > Do
> > > > > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed
> > treated
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a
> > Kafir is
> > > > > > > treated
> > > > > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit.
>
> > > > > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of
> > > > jihad and
> > > > > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any
> > fault
> > > > or take
> > > > > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look
> > at
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th
> > > > century, but
> > > > > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide.
>
> > > > > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference
> > organizers,
> > > > said
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > Volf's experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him
> > the
> > > > perfect
> > > > > > > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect.
> > "He
> > > > set
> > > > > > > forth
> > > > > > > > the theological foundation for us," Fleer said.
>
> > > > > > > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An
>
> ...
>
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25,000 “holding cells” will be built for “infiltrators” in Israel
The Israeli government has announced that 25,000 "holding cells" will
be built for "infiltrators"—a move, which, if duplicated in any other
country on earth, would instantly have the Jewish lobbies wailing
about "concentration camps."
According to a report in the Israeli news service Ynet, the Israeli
Defense Ministry "says all new infiltrators will be sent to one of
five holding facilities from now on."
Using the phrase "infiltrators" as a fact (obviously in accordance
with instructions from above), all Israeli news sources have presented
the flood of African refugees entering Israel as a threat to the
"Jewish nature" of Israel.
At the same time, Jewish lobbies across the western world have been at
the forefront of promoting mass immigration to those nations.
The new facilities will be placed under the jurisdiction of the Israel
Prison Service and Ministry of the Interior.
Meanwhile, the construction of a fence on the Egyptian border
continues at a speed of one kilometer per day. According to the
Defense Ministry, 95% of the fence will be completed by October of
this year. More than 170 kilometers have already been built so far.
Ynet news continues: "Devised by Defense Ministry Director Udi Shani
in conjunction with the IDF, the plan aims to see all new infiltrators
sent directly to holding facilities, where they will spend long
periods of times.
Three new facilities are set to be built in the Keziot compound and
join the Prison Service's Saharonim holding facility and Keziot
prison. According to the Defense Ministry's statement, the preparation
of water, sewage and electricity infrastructure is at an advanced
stage.
Construction of the fence is set to be complete by early 2013. More
than 100 contractors who won Defense Ministry contracts are working
simultaneously along the Egypt border, operating 480 pieces of heavy
machinery.
In a special meeting on the issue, Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu
listed steps which he said were meant to "solve the infiltrator
problem," including construction of holding facilities and sanctions
against employers of infiltrators.
He noted that Interior Minister Eli Yishai is preparing the "removal
of the infiltrators" and that the internal security minister will aim
to arrest criminal infiltrators in the Tel Aviv area.
"These means and others will start to reverse the trend and we will
begin to solve it. It's a tough problem but we're handing it,"
Netanyahu said.
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be built for "infiltrators"—a move, which, if duplicated in any other
country on earth, would instantly have the Jewish lobbies wailing
about "concentration camps."
According to a report in the Israeli news service Ynet, the Israeli
Defense Ministry "says all new infiltrators will be sent to one of
five holding facilities from now on."
Using the phrase "infiltrators" as a fact (obviously in accordance
with instructions from above), all Israeli news sources have presented
the flood of African refugees entering Israel as a threat to the
"Jewish nature" of Israel.
At the same time, Jewish lobbies across the western world have been at
the forefront of promoting mass immigration to those nations.
The new facilities will be placed under the jurisdiction of the Israel
Prison Service and Ministry of the Interior.
Meanwhile, the construction of a fence on the Egyptian border
continues at a speed of one kilometer per day. According to the
Defense Ministry, 95% of the fence will be completed by October of
this year. More than 170 kilometers have already been built so far.
Ynet news continues: "Devised by Defense Ministry Director Udi Shani
in conjunction with the IDF, the plan aims to see all new infiltrators
sent directly to holding facilities, where they will spend long
periods of times.
Three new facilities are set to be built in the Keziot compound and
join the Prison Service's Saharonim holding facility and Keziot
prison. According to the Defense Ministry's statement, the preparation
of water, sewage and electricity infrastructure is at an advanced
stage.
Construction of the fence is set to be complete by early 2013. More
than 100 contractors who won Defense Ministry contracts are working
simultaneously along the Egypt border, operating 480 pieces of heavy
machinery.
In a special meeting on the issue, Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu
listed steps which he said were meant to "solve the infiltrator
problem," including construction of holding facilities and sanctions
against employers of infiltrators.
He noted that Interior Minister Eli Yishai is preparing the "removal
of the infiltrators" and that the internal security minister will aim
to arrest criminal infiltrators in the Tel Aviv area.
"These means and others will start to reverse the trend and we will
begin to solve it. It's a tough problem but we're handing it,"
Netanyahu said.
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Re: Jesus Akbar
Actually Plainol, at the time Jesus was born Bethlehem was part of
Judea
---
so?
operative words: Jesus was born Bethlehem
On Jun 19, 10:35 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually Plainol, at the time Jesus was born Bethlehem was part of Judea
> (under Herod Antipas) and Nazareth was in the Roman province of Galilee
> where Herod had no control. This is why Herods decision to kill all the
> children under 3 or 4 years old in Nazareth was risky for him.
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:02 AM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew.
> > ---
> > The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
> > birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
>
> > On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was an Asine
> > > (sp)..
>
> > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge
> > > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and
> > > > can do no real harm...
>
> > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
> > > > > ---
> > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he
> > do
> > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
>
> > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
>
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran,
> > Talmud and
> > > > > > > NT.
>
> > > > > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian
> > > > school,
> > > > > > > > Lipscomb<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>University,
> > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony
> > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America,
> > Christians
> > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says
> > > > that we
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different
> > faiths
> > > > to get
> > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures
> > is
> > > > indeed
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that
> > someone
> > > > wants
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is
> > > > ignorant
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model
> > > > their life
> > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of
> > Mohammed
> > > > is found
> > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual
> > doctrine.
> > > > Volf,
> > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah.
> > > > There is a
> > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract
> > that
> > > > he can
> > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking
> > > > verses and
> > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull
> > > > session.
>
> > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that
> > the
> > > > Koran
> > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms
> > > > and Torah
> > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not
> > mentioned.
>
> > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and
> > all
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the
> > foundation
> > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including
> > Christians).
> > > > He also
> > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > > > > attacks<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>since
> > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of
> > continuous
> > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are
> > ugly
> > > > facts
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward
> > the
> > > > common
> > > > > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The
> > > > place for
> > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a
> > > > semi-slave.
> > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place,
> > > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated.
> > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia.
> > > > When
> > > > > > > Islam
> > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100%
> > > > Christian.
> > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian
> > population.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing
> > the
> > > > "our
> > > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between neighbors
> > and
> > > > > > > nations,
> > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges,
> > he
> > > > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until
> > the
> > > > day he
> > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a
> > sacred
> > > > life).
> > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman)
> > > > followed his
> > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as
> > fast
> > > > as they
> > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time
> > the
> > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical
> > > > civilization of
> > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The
> > > > classical
> > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of
> > > > Christianity was
> > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The
> > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the
> > year
> > > > 630 AD
> > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were
> > > > annihilated by
> > > > > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the
> > Koran
> > > > written
> > > > > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > > > > 24%<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>is
> > > > > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends, which
> > > > frequently
> > > > > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and
> > garnered
> > > > 150
> > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he
> > died
> > > > every
> > > > > > > Arab
> > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him
> > successful.
>
> > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive
> > Kafirs
> > > > and
> > > > > > > impose
> > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have
> > one
> > > > set of
> > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics
> > > > based on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with
> > morality,
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a
> > Golden
> > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight. Allah
> > > > denies the
> > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the
> > Golden
> > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > Do
> > > > > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed
> > treated
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a
> > Kafir is
> > > > > > > treated
> > > > > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit.
>
> > > > > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of
> > > > jihad and
> > > > > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any
> > fault
> > > > or take
> > > > > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look
> > at
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th
> > > > century, but
> > > > > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide.
>
> > > > > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference
> > organizers,
> > > > said
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > Volf's experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him
> > the
> > > > perfect
>
> ...
>
> read more »
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so?
operative words: Jesus was born Bethlehem
On Jun 19, 10:35 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually Plainol, at the time Jesus was born Bethlehem was part of Judea
> (under Herod Antipas) and Nazareth was in the Roman province of Galilee
> where Herod had no control. This is why Herods decision to kill all the
> children under 3 or 4 years old in Nazareth was risky for him.
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:02 AM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew.
> > ---
> > The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
> > birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
>
> > On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was an Asine
> > > (sp)..
>
> > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge
> > > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and
> > > > can do no real harm...
>
> > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
> > > > > ---
> > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he
> > do
> > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
>
> > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
>
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran,
> > Talmud and
> > > > > > > NT.
>
> > > > > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian
> > > > school,
> > > > > > > > Lipscomb<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>University,
> > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony
> > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America,
> > Christians
> > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says
> > > > that we
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different
> > faiths
> > > > to get
> > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures
> > is
> > > > indeed
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that
> > someone
> > > > wants
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is
> > > > ignorant
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model
> > > > their life
> > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of
> > Mohammed
> > > > is found
> > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual
> > doctrine.
> > > > Volf,
> > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah.
> > > > There is a
> > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract
> > that
> > > > he can
> > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking
> > > > verses and
> > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull
> > > > session.
>
> > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that
> > the
> > > > Koran
> > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms
> > > > and Torah
> > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not
> > mentioned.
>
> > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and
> > all
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the
> > foundation
> > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including
> > Christians).
> > > > He also
> > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > > > > attacks<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>since
> > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of
> > continuous
> > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are
> > ugly
> > > > facts
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward
> > the
> > > > common
> > > > > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The
> > > > place for
> > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a
> > > > semi-slave.
> > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place,
> > > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated.
> > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia.
> > > > When
> > > > > > > Islam
> > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100%
> > > > Christian.
> > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian
> > population.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing
> > the
> > > > "our
> > > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between neighbors
> > and
> > > > > > > nations,
> > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges,
> > he
> > > > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until
> > the
> > > > day he
> > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a
> > sacred
> > > > life).
> > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman)
> > > > followed his
> > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as
> > fast
> > > > as they
> > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time
> > the
> > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical
> > > > civilization of
> > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The
> > > > classical
> > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of
> > > > Christianity was
> > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The
> > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the
> > year
> > > > 630 AD
> > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were
> > > > annihilated by
> > > > > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the
> > Koran
> > > > written
> > > > > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > > > > 24%<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>is
> > > > > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends, which
> > > > frequently
> > > > > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and
> > garnered
> > > > 150
> > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he
> > died
> > > > every
> > > > > > > Arab
> > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him
> > successful.
>
> > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive
> > Kafirs
> > > > and
> > > > > > > impose
> > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have
> > one
> > > > set of
> > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics
> > > > based on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with
> > morality,
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a
> > Golden
> > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight. Allah
> > > > denies the
> > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the
> > Golden
> > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > Do
> > > > > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed
> > treated
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a
> > Kafir is
> > > > > > > treated
> > > > > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit.
>
> > > > > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of
> > > > jihad and
> > > > > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any
> > fault
> > > > or take
> > > > > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look
> > at
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th
> > > > century, but
> > > > > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide.
>
> > > > > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference
> > organizers,
> > > > said
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > Volf's experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him
> > the
> > > > perfect
>
> ...
>
> read more »
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Re: Jesus Akbar
You said: Jesus was an Asine ... has nothing to do with Jesus's
ancestry and lineage
On Jun 19, 10:34 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage.
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew.
> > ---
> > The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
> > birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
>
> > On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was an Asine
> > > (sp)..
>
> > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge
> > > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and
> > > > can do no real harm...
>
> > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
> > > > > ---
> > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he
> > do
> > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
>
> > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
>
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran,
> > Talmud and
> > > > > > > NT.
>
> > > > > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian
> > > > school,
> > > > > > > > Lipscomb<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>University,
> > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony
> > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America,
> > Christians
> > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says
> > > > that we
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different
> > faiths
> > > > to get
> > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures
> > is
> > > > indeed
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that
> > someone
> > > > wants
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is
> > > > ignorant
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model
> > > > their life
> > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of
> > Mohammed
> > > > is found
> > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual
> > doctrine.
> > > > Volf,
> > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah.
> > > > There is a
> > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract
> > that
> > > > he can
> > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking
> > > > verses and
> > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull
> > > > session.
>
> > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that
> > the
> > > > Koran
> > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms
> > > > and Torah
> > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not
> > mentioned.
>
> > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and
> > all
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the
> > foundation
> > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including
> > Christians).
> > > > He also
> > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > > > > attacks<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>since
> > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of
> > continuous
> > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are
> > ugly
> > > > facts
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward
> > the
> > > > common
> > > > > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The
> > > > place for
> > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a
> > > > semi-slave.
> > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place,
> > > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated.
> > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia.
> > > > When
> > > > > > > Islam
> > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100%
> > > > Christian.
> > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian
> > population.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing
> > the
> > > > "our
> > > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between neighbors
> > and
> > > > > > > nations,
> > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges,
> > he
> > > > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until
> > the
> > > > day he
> > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a
> > sacred
> > > > life).
> > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman)
> > > > followed his
> > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as
> > fast
> > > > as they
> > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time
> > the
> > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical
> > > > civilization of
> > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The
> > > > classical
> > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of
> > > > Christianity was
> > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The
> > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the
> > year
> > > > 630 AD
> > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were
> > > > annihilated by
> > > > > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the
> > Koran
> > > > written
> > > > > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > > > > 24%<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>is
> > > > > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends, which
> > > > frequently
> > > > > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and
> > garnered
> > > > 150
> > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he
> > died
> > > > every
> > > > > > > Arab
> > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him
> > successful.
>
> > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive
> > Kafirs
> > > > and
> > > > > > > impose
> > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have
> > one
> > > > set of
> > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics
> > > > based on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with
> > morality,
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a
> > Golden
> > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight. Allah
> > > > denies the
> > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the
> > Golden
> > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > Do
> > > > > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed
> > treated
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a
> > Kafir is
> > > > > > > treated
> > > > > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit.
>
> > > > > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of
> > > > jihad and
> > > > > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any
> > fault
> > > > or take
> > > > > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look
> > at
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th
> > > > century, but
> > > > > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide.
>
> > > > > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference
> > organizers,
> > > > said
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > Volf's experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him
> > the
> > > > perfect
> > > > > > > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect.
> > "He
> > > > set
> > > > > > > forth
> > > > > > > > the theological foundation for us," Fleer said.
>
> > > > > > > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An
>
> ...
>
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ancestry and lineage
On Jun 19, 10:34 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage.
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew.
> > ---
> > The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
> > birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
>
> > On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was an Asine
> > > (sp)..
>
> > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge
> > > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and
> > > > can do no real harm...
>
> > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
> > > > > ---
> > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he
> > do
> > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
>
> > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
>
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran,
> > Talmud and
> > > > > > > NT.
>
> > > > > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian
> > > > school,
> > > > > > > > Lipscomb<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>University,
> > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony
> > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America,
> > Christians
> > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says
> > > > that we
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different
> > faiths
> > > > to get
> > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures
> > is
> > > > indeed
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that
> > someone
> > > > wants
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is
> > > > ignorant
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model
> > > > their life
> > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of
> > Mohammed
> > > > is found
> > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual
> > doctrine.
> > > > Volf,
> > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah.
> > > > There is a
> > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract
> > that
> > > > he can
> > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking
> > > > verses and
> > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull
> > > > session.
>
> > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that
> > the
> > > > Koran
> > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms
> > > > and Torah
> > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not
> > mentioned.
>
> > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and
> > all
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the
> > foundation
> > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including
> > Christians).
> > > > He also
> > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > > > > attacks<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>since
> > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of
> > continuous
> > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are
> > ugly
> > > > facts
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward
> > the
> > > > common
> > > > > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The
> > > > place for
> > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a
> > > > semi-slave.
> > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place,
> > > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated.
> > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia.
> > > > When
> > > > > > > Islam
> > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100%
> > > > Christian.
> > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian
> > population.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing
> > the
> > > > "our
> > > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between neighbors
> > and
> > > > > > > nations,
> > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges,
> > he
> > > > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until
> > the
> > > > day he
> > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a
> > sacred
> > > > life).
> > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman)
> > > > followed his
> > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as
> > fast
> > > > as they
> > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time
> > the
> > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical
> > > > civilization of
> > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The
> > > > classical
> > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of
> > > > Christianity was
> > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The
> > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the
> > year
> > > > 630 AD
> > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were
> > > > annihilated by
> > > > > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the
> > Koran
> > > > written
> > > > > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > > > > 24%<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > .>is
> > > > > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends, which
> > > > frequently
> > > > > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and
> > garnered
> > > > 150
> > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he
> > died
> > > > every
> > > > > > > Arab
> > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him
> > successful.
>
> > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive
> > Kafirs
> > > > and
> > > > > > > impose
> > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have
> > one
> > > > set of
> > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics
> > > > based on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with
> > morality,
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a
> > Golden
> > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight. Allah
> > > > denies the
> > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the
> > Golden
> > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > Do
> > > > > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed
> > treated
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a
> > Kafir is
> > > > > > > treated
> > > > > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit.
>
> > > > > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of
> > > > jihad and
> > > > > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any
> > fault
> > > > or take
> > > > > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look
> > at
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th
> > > > century, but
> > > > > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide.
>
> > > > > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference
> > organizers,
> > > > said
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > Volf's experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him
> > the
> > > > perfect
> > > > > > > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect.
> > "He
> > > > set
> > > > > > > forth
> > > > > > > > the theological foundation for us," Fleer said.
>
> > > > > > > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An
>
> ...
>
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Israeli MK, AIPAC behind Senate bid to cut total number of Palestinian refugees
Israeli MK, AIPAC behind Senate bid to cut total number of Palestinian
refugees
Newly passed amendment requires State Department to specify how many
of the 5 million Palestinians who receive aid from the UN are refugees
who were personally displaced from their homes in 1948, and how many
are their descendants.
By Barak Ravid | Jun.12, 2012 | 1:18 AM | 18
Capitol Hill in Washington was rocked late last month when the Senate
Appropriations Committee approved an amendment requiring the State
Department, for the first time, to do a "count" of Palestinian
refugees.
The amendment required the State Department to specify how many of the
five million Palestinians who receive aid from the United Nations
Relief and Works Agency are refugees who were personally displaced
from their homes in 1948, and how many are descendants of those
refugees.
Known as the Kirk Amendment, after its sponsor, Senator Mark Kirk (R-
Illinois), considered one of Israel's strongest supporters in
Washington, the bill conceals within its 150-plus words a fierce
battle between Republican legislators and the State Department over
the United States' relationship with UN institutions.
Every year the United States allocates $250 million to UNRWA, which
provides food as well as health, education and employment services to
millions of Palestinians in Jordan, Lebanon, the Gaza Strip and the
West Bank. For years Congressional representatives have been trying to
reduce U.S. contributions to the agency, on the grounds that UNRWA was
born in sin and that its policies are anti-Israeli.
What is not common knowledge in the Beltway is that the Kirk Amendment
got its start in the Jerusalem office of MK Einat Wilf (Atzmaut ), who
toiled for months, together with AIPAC lobbyists and Kirk's staff, to
promote the change.
Last September, as the Palestinians prepared their unilateral bid at
the UN, Wilf met with representatives of the pro-Israel lobby in
Israel. "I asked them why they weren't doing anything about UNRWA,"
Wilf says, adding: "The answer I got was that figures in the Israeli
government had blocked such moves in the past."
Wilf met with senior Defense Ministry policy official Amos Gilad and
explained that she sought to end the agency's policy of giving refugee
status to successive generations of Palestinian refugees. "UNRWA's
activities perpetuate the Israeli-Palestinian conflict instead of
solving it," Wilf says.
In a letter he sent Wilf in January, Gilad set the boundaries for her
initiate, writing that the UNRWA budget should not be harmed , and
that "UNRWA plays an important role in aiding the Palestinian
population."
"One must prevent a circumstance which endangers the continued
transfer of these [UNRWA] services, services that align with Israeli
interests," Gilad added.
After Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Ron Dermer, Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's foreign-policy adviser, gave their
approval to Wilf's efforts, she returned to AIPAC staffers and also
approached Steven J. Rosen, a former foreign policy director for the
organization who now works for a Washington think tank, to get things
rolling on Capitol Hill.
In April Wilf and Rosen met with Kirk's deputy chief of staff, Richard
Goldberg. Kirk is recovering from a stroke he suffered a few months
ago, and Goldberg is promoting the senator's legislative efforts.
After a preliminary draft of the bill was worded, AIPAC officials went
on board in an attempt to pass it, holding meeting with many of the
senators on the appropriations committee in an attempt to sway them
into supporting the legislation.
However, opposing the move were State Department officials, who went
as far as sending a harshly worded letter to the Chairman of the
Senate Committee on Appropriations Patrick Leahy.
In the letter, the State Department indicated that the United States
recognized the refugee status of 5 million Palestinians, and accepts
UNRWA's definition of refugee descendents as refugees themselves.
While the State Department's opposition succeeded in altering the
bill, it did not bring about its cancellation, with the legislation
eventually passed in the panel.
The amendment serves as a precedent since it represents the first time
that a Senate committee sets demands to the American administration
concerning UNRWA's through legislation, even if it's only the demand
to report.
Responding to the report, Wilf said that her position was that
"settlement building and the continued status of Palestinian refugees
are both obstacles to peace."
"I have nothing against the descendents of refugees and I'm not asking
them to give up of their dream of returning, but if we want a two-
state solution, UNRAW can't continue to aid an inflation of refugees,"
she added, saying: "It ends up harming peace."
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refugees
Newly passed amendment requires State Department to specify how many
of the 5 million Palestinians who receive aid from the UN are refugees
who were personally displaced from their homes in 1948, and how many
are their descendants.
By Barak Ravid | Jun.12, 2012 | 1:18 AM | 18
Capitol Hill in Washington was rocked late last month when the Senate
Appropriations Committee approved an amendment requiring the State
Department, for the first time, to do a "count" of Palestinian
refugees.
The amendment required the State Department to specify how many of the
five million Palestinians who receive aid from the United Nations
Relief and Works Agency are refugees who were personally displaced
from their homes in 1948, and how many are descendants of those
refugees.
Known as the Kirk Amendment, after its sponsor, Senator Mark Kirk (R-
Illinois), considered one of Israel's strongest supporters in
Washington, the bill conceals within its 150-plus words a fierce
battle between Republican legislators and the State Department over
the United States' relationship with UN institutions.
Every year the United States allocates $250 million to UNRWA, which
provides food as well as health, education and employment services to
millions of Palestinians in Jordan, Lebanon, the Gaza Strip and the
West Bank. For years Congressional representatives have been trying to
reduce U.S. contributions to the agency, on the grounds that UNRWA was
born in sin and that its policies are anti-Israeli.
What is not common knowledge in the Beltway is that the Kirk Amendment
got its start in the Jerusalem office of MK Einat Wilf (Atzmaut ), who
toiled for months, together with AIPAC lobbyists and Kirk's staff, to
promote the change.
Last September, as the Palestinians prepared their unilateral bid at
the UN, Wilf met with representatives of the pro-Israel lobby in
Israel. "I asked them why they weren't doing anything about UNRWA,"
Wilf says, adding: "The answer I got was that figures in the Israeli
government had blocked such moves in the past."
Wilf met with senior Defense Ministry policy official Amos Gilad and
explained that she sought to end the agency's policy of giving refugee
status to successive generations of Palestinian refugees. "UNRWA's
activities perpetuate the Israeli-Palestinian conflict instead of
solving it," Wilf says.
In a letter he sent Wilf in January, Gilad set the boundaries for her
initiate, writing that the UNRWA budget should not be harmed , and
that "UNRWA plays an important role in aiding the Palestinian
population."
"One must prevent a circumstance which endangers the continued
transfer of these [UNRWA] services, services that align with Israeli
interests," Gilad added.
After Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Ron Dermer, Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's foreign-policy adviser, gave their
approval to Wilf's efforts, she returned to AIPAC staffers and also
approached Steven J. Rosen, a former foreign policy director for the
organization who now works for a Washington think tank, to get things
rolling on Capitol Hill.
In April Wilf and Rosen met with Kirk's deputy chief of staff, Richard
Goldberg. Kirk is recovering from a stroke he suffered a few months
ago, and Goldberg is promoting the senator's legislative efforts.
After a preliminary draft of the bill was worded, AIPAC officials went
on board in an attempt to pass it, holding meeting with many of the
senators on the appropriations committee in an attempt to sway them
into supporting the legislation.
However, opposing the move were State Department officials, who went
as far as sending a harshly worded letter to the Chairman of the
Senate Committee on Appropriations Patrick Leahy.
In the letter, the State Department indicated that the United States
recognized the refugee status of 5 million Palestinians, and accepts
UNRWA's definition of refugee descendents as refugees themselves.
While the State Department's opposition succeeded in altering the
bill, it did not bring about its cancellation, with the legislation
eventually passed in the panel.
The amendment serves as a precedent since it represents the first time
that a Senate committee sets demands to the American administration
concerning UNRWA's through legislation, even if it's only the demand
to report.
Responding to the report, Wilf said that her position was that
"settlement building and the continued status of Palestinian refugees
are both obstacles to peace."
"I have nothing against the descendents of refugees and I'm not asking
them to give up of their dream of returning, but if we want a two-
state solution, UNRAW can't continue to aid an inflation of refugees,"
she added, saying: "It ends up harming peace."
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Re: Jesus Akbar
Actually Plainol, at the time Jesus was born Bethlehem was part of Judea (under Herod Antipas) and Nazareth was in the Roman province of Galilee where Herod had no control. This is why Herods decision to kill all the children under 3 or 4 years old in Nazareth was risky for him.
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:02 AM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew.---
The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com>wrote:
On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was an Asine
> (sp)..
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> > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge
> > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and
> > can do no real harm...
>
> > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is advocated?
> > > ---
> > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he do
> > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
>
> > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is advocated?
>
> > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran, Talmud and
> > > > > NT.
>
> > > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian
> > school,
> > > > > > Lipscomb<
> > > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > ..
> > > > > .>University,
> > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony
> > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America, Christians
> > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says
> > that we
> > > > > all
> > > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different faiths
> > to get
> > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures is
> > indeed
> > > > > a
> > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is that
> > the
> > > > > only
> > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that someone
> > wants
> > > > > to
> > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is
> > ignorant
> > > > > or
> > > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model
> > their life
> > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of Mohammed
> > is found
> > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the
> > Islamic
> > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual doctrine.
> > Volf,
> > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah.
> > There is a
> > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract that
> > he can
> > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking
> > verses and
> > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull
> > session.
>
> > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that the
> > Koran
> > > > > says
> > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms
> > and Torah
> > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not mentioned.
>
> > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and all
> > other
> > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the foundation
> > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including Christians).
> > He also
> > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > > attacks<
> > > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > ..
> > > > > .>since
> > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of continuous
> > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are ugly
> > facts
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward the
> > common
> > > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The
> > place for
> > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a
> > semi-slave.
> > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place,
> > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated.
> > Christianity
> > > > > can
> > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia.
> > When
> > > > > Islam
> > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100%
> > Christian.
> > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian population.
>
> > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing the
> > "our
> > > > > God
> > > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between neighbors and
> > > > > nations,
> > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges, he
> > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until the
> > day he
> > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a sacred
> > life).
> > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman)
> > followed his
> > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as fast
> > as they
> > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time the
> > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical
> > civilization of
> > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The
> > classical
> > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of
> > Christianity was
> > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The
> > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the year
> > 630 AD
> > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were
> > annihilated by
> > > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the Koran
> > written
> > > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > > 24%<
> > > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > ..
> > > > > .>is
> > > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends, which
> > frequently
> > > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and garnered
> > 150
> > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he died
> > every
> > > > > Arab
> > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him successful.
>
> > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive Kafirs
> > and
> > > > > impose
> > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have one
> > set of
> > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics
> > based on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with morality,
> > which
> > > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a Golden
> > Rule.
> > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight. Allah
> > denies the
> > > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the Golden
> > Rule.
> > > > > Do
> > > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed treated
> > you
> > > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a Kafir is
> > > > > treated
> > > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit.
>
> > > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of
> > jihad and
> > > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any fault
> > or take
> > > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look at
> > Islamic
> > > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th
> > century, but
> > > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide.
>
> > > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference organizers,
> > said
> > > > > that
> > > > > > Volf's experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him the
> > perfect
> > > > > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect. "He
> > set
> > > > > forth
> > > > > > the theological foundation for us," Fleer said.
>
> > > > > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An expert is made only by
> > studying the
> > > > > > Sira, Hadith, Koran and Sharia—not his zip code. There is one, and
> > only
> > > > > one
> > > > > > criteria for being expert on Islam—knowledge about Allah and
> > Mohammed.
> > > > > Volf
> > > > > > only talks about Allah.
>
> > > > > > But the real tragedy is that a religion professor thinks that
> > Volf's
> > > > > > inventions are a solid foundation. Contemporary Christian and
> > Jewish
> > > > > > theology has become mere philosophy and has its foundation in
> > Leftist
> > > > > > social justice doctrine, not scriptures.
>
> > > > > > Volf said one of the keys to people of different faiths getting
> > along is
> > > > > > for each side to admit that those of other faiths are real members
> > of the
> > > > > > community. "It's not just creating space for them physically," he
> > said.
> > > > > > "You have to create space for them in your own cultural
> > self-perception."
>
> > > > > > But Islam insists that Kafirs are not part of the *umma* (Islamic
> > > > > > community) which is pure Islamic doctrine. There are 11
> > > > > > verses<
> > > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > ..
> > > > > .>in
> > > > > > the Koran that say that a Muslim is not even the friend of a Kafir,
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > less a member of the
>
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