Saturday, August 11, 2012

Dollar-Store New Deal?


Dollar-Store New Deal?
David Boaz - April 18, 2011

In 1960 Sen. Barry Goldwater called the policies of the Eisenhower administration "a dime store New Deal" -- a promise to deliver to the voters everything the Democrats promised, but at a discount. And that has been a fundamental dividing line in the Republican party ever since: Should the GOP challenge the Democrats' fundamental commitment to an ever-bigger federal government, or only promise to deliver services more efficiently and at lower cost to taxpayers?

We've seen that issue in the budget battles of the past week. In the face of unprecedented deficits, the Tea Party surge, the Republican victories of 2010, the insistence of some freshmen Republicans on actual cuts in federal spending, and praise for Rep. Paul Ryan's seriousness in presenting an alternative budget, President Obama announced that he would make a major speech laying out his vision of how to control the incredible expanding federal budget. Drum roll, please. Media hype. Live national broadcast. Whereupon the president proceeded to give a ringing defense of . . . everything the federal government does. Everything from Head Start and student loans and energy subsidies to roads and broadband access to Medicare and Medicaid. And he said that Republicans want a "fundamentally different America" that wouldn't offer such a cornucopia of benefits.

His foil in the debate was the House Republican budget, prepared by Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan and passed on a party-line vote on Friday, April 15, a day when Americans are focused on the size of the tax burden. Reading the analyses and criticisms of the Ryan budget in the mainstream media, you'd think it was that fundamental challenge to New Deal/Great Society/Obama big-government liberalism that many conservatives have longed for. The New York Times declared:

What is under way now is the most fundamental reassessment of the size and role of government ­ of the balance between personal responsibility and private markets on the one hand and public responsibility and social welfare on the other ­ at least since Ronald Reagan and perhaps since F.D.R….
The Republican plan put forward by Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin . . . contains a substantial dose of deficit reduction but is really a manifesto for limited government.
It would take big steps toward privatizing Medicare, slash upper-income tax rates, repeal last year's health care law, bite deeply into nearly all federal programs and try to cap the size of government relative to the economy.

Ron Elving, the Washington editor of NPR, was beside himself:

It takes the country into a different era, an era, really, from the past, before the Great Society of Lyndon Johnson and, to some degree, before the New Deal of Franklin Roosevelt.

Really? Before the Great Society? Before the New Deal? Well, let's see. Medicare and Medicaid were created in the Great Society, so presumably the Ryan budget gets rid of them. And Social Security was part of the New Deal, so Ryan abolishes that?

Of course not. Indeed, Ryan promises to "Strengthen the Social Safety Net." He argues that transfer programs "are growing at an unsustainable rate [that] will strain the safety net until it breaks." He proposes to put them on a sustainable path. If he succeeds, that would be good news for taxpayers. And since he wants to get both state governments and individual recipients involved in paying attention to costs, then he might actually "bend the cost curve" of health care, something President Obama has talked about without offering any programs that would actually do that.

But Paul Ryan's budget doesn't really eliminate anything the federal government does. He'd still have the federal government taxing us to pay for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, farm subsidies, and troops in a hundred countries. (He does propose to privatize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, so that's one actual reduction in the scope of the federal government.) As big-government conservative David Brooks writes, "it is a serious effort to create a sustainable welfare state."

But some of us don't want to live in a "sustainable welfare state." We don't just want to "bend the cost curve." We want a free society, a society in which people are free to make their own decisions and bear the responsibility, a society in which each of us is the owner of his or her own life.

Over the past week and more we've talked a lot about numbers­how big the budget is, how big the cuts are, if there are any cuts, when spending and revenues might balance­but we haven't talked enough about something more important: What the federal government should do.

We need more debates about the nature of individual freedom, and the Constitution, and the free society, and actually limiting the power and scope of the federal government. Saving the taxpayers money is great, but a dime-store New Deal­now, I guess it would have to be at least a dollar-store New Deal­isn't enough. Libertarians and lots of other freedom-lovers in the United States don't want to be what the always quotable David Brooks calls "components of a national project," with lives "given meaning by the service we supply to the nation." We'll find our own meaning, thank you. Without direction and without subsidy from the centralized state.

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2011/04/dollar-store-new-deal/

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Re: Romney/Ryan

The Republicans could have done a lot worse.

If I lived in one of the 3 toss up states I meant be tempted.

On Saturday, August 11, 2012, MJ wrote:

Romney/Ryan
Posted by Laurence Vance on August 11, 2012 06:29 AM

It's official. The Republican ticket will be Romney/Ryan. Paul Ryan is the chairman of the House Budget Committee. See my analysis of his bloated budgets here, here, and here.

Ryan recently said: "I am the budget chairman. I am a Republican. I am a conservative. I have been pointing out the big flaws of all of the taxing and the spending that has been going on around here." I guess that is why he supported bailouts, No Child Left Behind, war, and the Patriot Act. See an analysis of his record here.

Ryan is the perfect match to Romney since he supported the Republican version of health care reform known as the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003 or Bushcare.


Re: Romney/Ryan
Posted by Daniel McAdams on August 11, 2012 06:52 AM

Right you are, Laurence: Paul Ryan has an undeserved reputation as a deficit hawk. His much touted budget proposal was a joke -- as Lew said, Don't Confuse Paul Ryan With Ron Paul. As Ron Paul points out in the above link, no government agencies were to be removed and there was only a chance of a balanced budget after 30 years.

The left-wing and right-wing media will do their part, to be sure, to each reinforce their own stereotypes of Ryan with absolutely no analysis at all. To the right he is warrior against big government, to the left he is a monster who will starve the children for fear of government spending.

Of course on the biggest budget issues, Ryan spends more than a drunken sailor. See this from the RLC analysis that Laurence linked to:

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad
-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)

Conclusion: Romney's VP Pick = Pro-War Big Government Republicanism, 2.0

In that he is perfect for the Republican Party. The self-deluded would do well to wake up and smell the coffee. This is not an aberration, this is the party.

EDIT: I should add that Ryan voted to allow the president to indefinitely detain American citizens without trial, when not assassinating them via drones (NDAA 2012/2013).

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Intelligent Life On Mars?



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Obama Hosts Ramadan Dinner, Says America Needs More Muslim Brotherhood Offspring

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GOProud Praises Selection of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) for Vice President



---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012
Subject: GOProud Praises Selection of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) for Vice President
To: Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com>


For Immediate Release
August 11, 2012

GOProud Praises Selection of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) for Vice President
Jimmy LaSalvia, Executive Director – "The selection of Paul Ryan is a bold and inspired pick.  Paul Ryan has been the architect of policies that would benefit all Americans, especially gay Americans."

(Washington, D.C.) – This morning, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee for President, will announce he has selected Representative Paul Ryan (R-WI) to be his Vice Presidential running mate.  In response, GOProud – a national organization of gay and straight Americans seeking to promote freedom by supporting free markets, limited government, and a respect for individual rights – praised the selection.

GOProud is also the only national gay group to endorse Governor Romney's Presidential bid.
 
"The selection of Paul Ryan is a bold and inspired pick," said Jimmy LaSalvia, Executive Director of GOProud.  "Paul Ryan has been the architect of policies that would benefit all Americans, especially gay Americans."
 
"Paul Ryan is one of the few political leaders anywhere in the country willing to tell the American people the truth about the unprecedented budget crisis we are facing, and – more importantly – willing to put forward bold plans to put this country back on the road to fiscal solvency," continued LaSalvia.
 
"Like all Americans, gays and lesbians in this country are concerned with the out-of-control spending and growing mountains of unsustainable federal debt," said LaSalvia.  "Gay Americans understand that without reforms – Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will go bankrupt.  The future prosperity for all Americans, regardless of their sexual orientation, is at stake if we do not act today."
 
Representative Ryan has been the architect of critical reforms that would empower and benefit gay Americans.  "Paul Ryan authored bold Social Security reforms that would end the government's discrimination against gay couples through personal savings accounts," continued LaSalvia.  "Paul Ryan has voted to end the discriminatory death tax and for free market reforms to healthcare that will expand access to domestic partner benefits."
 
Paul Ryan opposes discrimination against gay Americans – voting for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act – and has urged both parties to avoid the culture wars over issues like gay marriage.
 
"There is no better pick for Vice President than Paul Ryan, and we can't wait to spend the next few months telling gay and straight voters why a Romney-Ryan White House will be good for America," concluded LaSalvia.

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Re: Revisionist History 101: What Secularists Don't Want You To Know:

 
Geesh.....Are you this so totally backward,  or are you just so pissed off that Christians and Christianity was the founding precepts of the U.S.,  and you want to re-write history so bad you can taste it?
 
LOL!   Pitiful PlainOl.  Goofy too.
 
 
 
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:56 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and
tenets' might be.
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let me go first ... !!!
first ... they think that the principles that were adopted were
christian principles, which in many cases is a faulty presumption.

Examples:

Religious freedom - Nothing unique to christians. Didn't the Romans
allow the jews to practice their religion?
Is that what the christians are offering muslims today in America?

Sovereign authority of God, not sovereignty of the state - Thousands
of government have given authority to a god.
They are demanding that non-believers submit to a mythical authority.

Sanctity of life - They are still trying to outlaw abortion, stem cell
research, suicide, etc.

All men are sinners - Pushing their mythical religious guilt onto
others. Very protestant.

All men created equal - christians, like jews and muzzies, don't
consider non-believers equal.

Judicial, legislative, and executive branches - Not unique to
christianity. Can still produce terrible decisions.

Church protected from state control (& taxation), but church to
influence the state. - Oh, like the religious state of israel? No
thanks.

Republican form of government and warnings against kings but in favor
of Godly rulers. - It's not the government job to promote those they
see as godly. Finding honest men is better than finding religious myth
believers.

Importance of governing self and family as first level of governance.
- Yet they endorse intervention in the middle east.

Fair trial with witnesses. - not unique to christianity nor cited in
decision.

Private property rights. - not uniquely christian

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Justice Brewer was the author of the unanimous opinion of the Court in
Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States (143 U.S. 457, 36 L.Ed.
226, 12 S. Ct. 511 February 29, 1892), which addressed a dispute over
an employment contract between an Anglican priest and the titular
church. Justice Brewer's statement in that opinion, "These, and many
other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial
declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a
Christian nation" is often incorrectly cited as part of the
controlling ruling in the matter, which is not the case. Indeed,
Justice Brewer's book, The United States: A Christian Nation,
published in 1905,contained the following passage:

But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian
nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion
or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the
contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall
make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all
its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the
contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of
our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...] Nor is
it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a
condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service,
or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact,
the government as a legal organization is independent of all
religions.

On Aug 10, 1:20 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and tenets' might be.
> I am especially interested in primary source materials where <insert Founder> claims <book/chapter/verse> applies to <article/section/clause> and similar.
> The DoI, for instance, impugns the Divine Rights of Kings -- which is the biblically based Government.
> Regard$,
> --MJ
> The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses....
>   -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" [1787-1788];At 01:58 PM 8/10/2012, you wrote:As much as you and your secularist friends hate to hear,  it must really suck, to see the truth Plain Ol.....That this Nation was, and still is founded upon Christian principles and tenets.  No matter whether you like it, or don't like it,  this, is your heritage.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:03 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:the German government of the 1920s enthusiastically supported andpromoted Barnes's views as exonerating their country, while thepostwar West German government accepted national responsibility forthe Holocaust, solicited forgiveness and paid reparations to Jewishsurvivors.On Aug 10, 10:03 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:> Ever read Harry Elmer Barnes?>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:>>>>>>>> > Here's a short video of one of the "Churches"  in the heart of D.C.;> > worth a watch.....This should fit the bill of MJ's definition of> > "revisionist history":>> >http://stg.do/Iwpc>> > --> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum>> > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/>> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more.--Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum* Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/* It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.* Read the latest breaking news, and more.
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GOProud Praises Selection of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) for Vice President



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For Immediate Release
August 11, 2012

GOProud Praises Selection of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) for Vice President
Jimmy LaSalvia, Executive Director – "The selection of Paul Ryan is a bold and inspired pick.  Paul Ryan has been the architect of policies that would benefit all Americans, especially gay Americans."

(Washington, D.C.) – This morning, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee for President, will announce he has selected Representative Paul Ryan (R-WI) to be his Vice Presidential running mate.  In response, GOProud – a national organization of gay and straight Americans seeking to promote freedom by supporting free markets, limited government, and a respect for individual rights – praised the selection.

GOProud is also the only national gay group to endorse Governor Romney's Presidential bid.
 
"The selection of Paul Ryan is a bold and inspired pick," said Jimmy LaSalvia, Executive Director of GOProud.  "Paul Ryan has been the architect of policies that would benefit all Americans, especially gay Americans."
 
"Paul Ryan is one of the few political leaders anywhere in the country willing to tell the American people the truth about the unprecedented budget crisis we are facing, and – more importantly – willing to put forward bold plans to put this country back on the road to fiscal solvency," continued LaSalvia.
 
"Like all Americans, gays and lesbians in this country are concerned with the out-of-control spending and growing mountains of unsustainable federal debt," said LaSalvia.  "Gay Americans understand that without reforms – Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will go bankrupt.  The future prosperity for all Americans, regardless of their sexual orientation, is at stake if we do not act today."
 
Representative Ryan has been the architect of critical reforms that would empower and benefit gay Americans.  "Paul Ryan authored bold Social Security reforms that would end the government's discrimination against gay couples through personal savings accounts," continued LaSalvia.  "Paul Ryan has voted to end the discriminatory death tax and for free market reforms to healthcare that will expand access to domestic partner benefits."
 
Paul Ryan opposes discrimination against gay Americans – voting for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act – and has urged both parties to avoid the culture wars over issues like gay marriage.
 
"There is no better pick for Vice President than Paul Ryan, and we can't wait to spend the next few months telling gay and straight voters why a Romney-Ryan White House will be good for America," concluded LaSalvia.

# # #

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**JP** Birthday or Independence Day

Birthday or Independence Day?

 

While 14 August is just around the corner, kindly allow me to share a thought with your readers once again as I have been doing so for the past many years. Should we celebrate 14 August as our Independence Day or the Birthday of Pakistan Pakistan did not exist as a country before August 14, 1947 and as such was never ruled by the British or any other foreign power. It was, therefore, not liberated or granted independence by anyone.  It was created as an independent and free country right from its very inception.  It was India that was ruled by the British and given independence by  them. Pakistan took its birth at 2359 hrs on the night 14/15 August 1947 one minute before India was given independence at 2400

hrs the same night.  As the date changes after midnight, therefore, Bharat became independent on 15th August whereas Pakistan came into being on the night of 14th August 1947. Had India been liberated before Pakistan was created, it would have been up to the Indian Constituent Assembly to agree or not to carve Pakistan out of mother India.   Pakistan was, therefore, created a minute before India was liberated. As Pakistan was born free we should celebrate its Birth Day and not its Independence Day. 

 

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عمران خان نے ایک ٹاک شو میں یہ بات کہی تھی کہ "اللہ مجھے شیخ رشید جیسا سیاستدان کبھی نہ بنائے"اور پھر اس کے جواب میں شیخ رشیدنے کہا تھا "عمران ایک معمولی سا کپتان تھا اور اب یہ تانگے کی سواری ہے" مگر آج 2012میں ان کے جذبات دیکھ کرا ور سن کر ہنسی آتی ہے عمران خان کہتا ہے "شیخ رشید جیسے باوقار سیاستدان بہت کم پید ا ہوتے ہےں" اورجواب میں شیخ صاحب فرماتے ہیں "عمران خان امید کی کرن ہیں"سیاست رے سیاست تیری کونسی کل سیدھی؟

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When A Nation Bans Guns…



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After Australia banned virtully all firearms, the incidence of armed robberies, gun murders,  gun assaults, and home invasions skyrocketed.  This video reveals the terrible subsequent reality in the Land Down Under -- and ends with a warning to Americans.  
 
 
Only days ago, the White House confirmed that Obama wants a ban on guns.  I hope and pray that Americans will show more moxie: We won't let what happened in Australia happen HERE! 
 
Resistace to tyranny -- including abuse of the Executive Branch and the Second Amendment-- is obedience to God!  God bless, protect and strengthen America!
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Re: Revisionist History 101: What Secularists Don't Want You To Know:

I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and
tenets' might be.
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let me go first ... !!!
first ... they think that the principles that were adopted were
christian principles, which in many cases is a faulty presumption.

Examples:

Religious freedom - Nothing unique to christians. Didn't the Romans
allow the jews to practice their religion?
Is that what the christians are offering muslims today in America?

Sovereign authority of God, not sovereignty of the state - Thousands
of government have given authority to a god.
They are demanding that non-believers submit to a mythical authority.

Sanctity of life - They are still trying to outlaw abortion, stem cell
research, suicide, etc.

All men are sinners - Pushing their mythical religious guilt onto
others. Very protestant.

All men created equal - christians, like jews and muzzies, don't
consider non-believers equal.

Judicial, legislative, and executive branches - Not unique to
christianity. Can still produce terrible decisions.

Church protected from state control (& taxation), but church to
influence the state. - Oh, like the religious state of israel? No
thanks.

Republican form of government and warnings against kings but in favor
of Godly rulers. - It's not the government job to promote those they
see as godly. Finding honest men is better than finding religious myth
believers.

Importance of governing self and family as first level of governance.
- Yet they endorse intervention in the middle east.

Fair trial with witnesses. - not unique to christianity nor cited in
decision.

Private property rights. - not uniquely christian

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Justice Brewer was the author of the unanimous opinion of the Court in
Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States (143 U.S. 457, 36 L.Ed.
226, 12 S. Ct. 511 February 29, 1892), which addressed a dispute over
an employment contract between an Anglican priest and the titular
church. Justice Brewer's statement in that opinion, "These, and many
other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial
declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a
Christian nation" is often incorrectly cited as part of the
controlling ruling in the matter, which is not the case. Indeed,
Justice Brewer's book, The United States: A Christian Nation,
published in 1905,contained the following passage:

But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian
nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion
or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the
contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall
make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all
its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the
contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of
our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...] Nor is
it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a
condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service,
or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact,
the government as a legal organization is independent of all
religions.

On Aug 10, 1:20 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and tenets' might be.
> I am especially interested in primary source materials where <insert Founder> claims <book/chapter/verse> applies to <article/section/clause> and similar.
> The DoI, for instance, impugns the Divine Rights of Kings -- which is the biblically based Government.
> Regard$,
> --MJ
> The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses....
>   -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" [1787-1788];At 01:58 PM 8/10/2012, you wrote:As much as you and your secularist friends hate to hear,  it must really suck, to see the truth Plain Ol.....That this Nation was, and still is founded upon Christian principles and tenets.  No matter whether you like it, or don't like it,  this, is your heritage.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:03 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:the German government of the 1920s enthusiastically supported andpromoted Barnes's views as exonerating their country, while thepostwar West German government accepted national responsibility forthe Holocaust, solicited forgiveness and paid reparations to Jewishsurvivors.On Aug 10, 10:03 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:> Ever read Harry Elmer Barnes?>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:>>>>>>>> > Here's a short video of one of the "Churches"  in the heart of D.C.;> > worth a watch.....This should fit the bill of MJ's definition of> > "revisionist history":>> >http://stg.do/Iwpc>> > --> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum>> > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/>> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more.--Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum* Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/* It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.* Read the latest breaking news, and more.
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Author: Obama Would Have a Trouble Getting a Security Clearance for an Entry-Level Government Job Due to His Association with Communist Mentor Frank Marshall Davis



Scotty Starnes posted: " Those Obama associate with would scare most but the media has covered up most of this information to keep the masses uninformed. From DC: Author Paul Kengor wants you to know just how radical Frank Marshal Davis — a man many consider to have bee"
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Author: Obama Would Have a Trouble Getting a Security Clearance for an Entry-Level Government Job Due to His Association with Communist Mentor Frank Marshall Davis

by Scotty Starnes

Those Obama associate with would scare most but the media has covered up most of this information to keep the masses uninformed.

From DC:

Author Paul Kengor wants you to know just how radical Frank Marshal Davis — a man many consider to have been a mentor to President Barack Obama during his teenage years — was.

"Obama's mentor was considered so radical, and such a potential pro-Soviet threat, that the federal government placed him on the Security Index," Kengor told The Daily Caller in an interview about his new book on Davis, simply titled "The Communist."

"That meant that if a war broke out between the United States and the Soviet Union, Frank Marshall Davis could be placed under immediate arrest. Think about that. Obama had that sort of influence. And The Washington Post will focus on whether Mitt Romney was bullying in high school? With the kind of influence that Obama had, Obama would have trouble getting a security clearance for an entry-level government job."

Obama refers to Davis in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father," simply as "Frank" and never elaborates on his radical history. Kengor believes this is because Obama wanted to avoid the political liability of being associated with Davis' politics. But if Obama was concerned about protecting his future political prospects while writing his memoir, why would he include details of his drug use?

"On matters like cocaine, he grew up in an era when that was going on," Kengor, who is a professor at Grove City College, argued.

"To do cocaine was certainly not the norm, but it wasn't unheard of. In short, he rightly saw his adolescent association with Davis — a literal card-carrying communist — as a greater political liability than cocaine use."

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