On 10/21/10, Mark <
markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yet the deal was struck and everyone had signed based on Georgy Girls work
> and completed negotiations prior to Nobama having any thing to do with it...
> go figure.
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Tommy News <
tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No.
>>
>> Dubya said that ending the war in Iraq woul be up to "Some Future
>> President".
>> He simply wanted to take credit, as many opportunistic Republican
>> politicians do.
>>
>> On 10/21/10, Mark <
markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>> >
>> > You forget that I require facts.... This deal was being negotiated a
>> > full
>> > year before Obama was even in the primary elections let alone a real
>> > candidate for the Democrats. Nobama had "0" to do with it... General
>> > Petraeus was the impetus after the success of the "Surge" and with the
>> > insistence of the new Iraqi Government as well.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Tommy News <
tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> False.
>> >>
>> >> The Faux deal was signed because President Obama was about to do it
>> >> and Dubya wanted the credit.
>> >>
>> >> On 10/21/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Tommy,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am NOT a fan of Georgy Girl Bush. He did however cut and sign the
>> >> > deal to end Iraq before he left office. NoBama is simply implementing
>> >> > the republican signed plan.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Oct 21, 7:36 am, Tommy News <
tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> I cannot open adobe documents on my old computer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bush himself admitted that there were no WMDs in Iraq.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The illegal invasion of Iraq was in reality a personal Bush family
>> >> >> vendetta against Sadaaam Hussein, who tried to kill Daddy Bush,
>> >> >> combined with the war profiteering greed of Dick Cheney and his
>> >> >> Halliburton cronies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The unilateral invasion of Iraq violated both the Geneva Convention
>> >> >> and The United Nations Charter, and the war criminals Bush, Cheney,
>> >> >> Rove, Rice, and Rumsfeld should be impeached, tried and imprisoned.
>> >> >> Yes, they can still be impeached even after they have left office.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thankfully, President Obama has ended the illegal Iraq war, and he
>> has
>> >> >> promised to also end the war in Afghanistan beginning in 2011.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> PEACE!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa <
keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Whoops! I forgot to attach the attachment!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Apologies!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Keith
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Keith In Tampa
>> >> >> > <
keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hey Michael,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Maybe that great Irish American, Jude Wannanski might want to
>> >> >> >> take
>> >> >> >> up
>> >> >> >> his
>> >> >> >> research, and resources with John Negroponte, and the United
>> States
>> >> >> >> Congress. (*See* Attachment, in .pdf format, from June 21,
>> >> >> >> 2006).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Below is info from the Congressional Research Office, of the
>> >> >> >> weaponry
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> was unaccounted for, and at the time that we invaded Iraq, none
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> these
>> >> >> >> biological weapons had been located. Again, *See*
>> Attachment....We
>> >> did
>> >> >> >> find some of them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Below that, is other articles that conclusively prove that not
>> only
>> >> did
>> >> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> discover that there had been biological weaponry and potential
>> >> nuclear
>> >> >> >> weaponry in Iraq, but we still, to date, have not accounted for
>> all
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> Saddam Hussein's and the Baath Party's weaponry.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anything else, is nothing but far left, liberal mainstream spin
>> and
>> >> >> >> bias,
>> >> >> >> which folks like Tom fall for and quote, hook, line and sinker.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Tommy, there is some "special" information for you, as well as a
>> You
>> >> >> >> Tube
>> >> >> >> video clip for you to watch at the bottom of this message:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ===========
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> From the Congressional Research Service: April, 1998:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Iraq has also acknowledged that prior to the
>> >> >> >> Persian<
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html# >> >Gulf
>> >> >> >> conflict it
>> >> >> >> manufactured 100 botulinum bombs, 50 anthrax bombs, and 7
>> aflatoxin
>> >> >> >> bombs.
>> >> >> >> In addition, 16 missile warheads were filled with botulinum, five
>> >> with
>> >> >> >> anthrax bacillus, and four with aflatoxin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> U.S. and British intelligence agencies believe that Iraq has
>> hidden
>> >> >> >> stores of CBW agents, production equipment, ballistic missiles,
>> and
>> >> >> >> missile warheads. UNSCOM has reported no firm evidence that Iraq
>> >> still
>> >> >> >> retains weapons or materiel, but the Iraqi government has not
>> >> provided
>> >> >> >> adequate evidence to support its claim that all its CBW arsenal
>> has
>> >> >> >> been
>> >> >> >> destroyed, nor has it accounted for CBW production materials
>> >> >> >> known
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> been in its possession. These factors, coupled with Iraqi
>> >> >> >> obstruction
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> UNSCOM inspections, have led to strong suspicions. U.S. and
>> British
>> >> >> >> intelligence agencies believe that Iraq still may possess tons of
>> >> >> >> chemical
>> >> >> >> warfare agents and the necessary materials to produce thousands
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> liters
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> biological agents. UNSCOM and U.S. intelligence differ in their
>> >> >> >> estimates
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the number of actual missiles that may still be in Iraq. Again
>> >> >> >> information
>> >> >> >> is sketchy. In part, this is because much is classified, but
>> >> >> >> even
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> classified information is reportedly incomplete. A recent report
>> >> issued
>> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> the British government, however, provided some information
>> (Foreign
>> >> and
>> >> >> >> Commonwealth Office --
>> >> >> >> (
http://193.114.50.5/texts/1998/feb/04/iraqppr.txt).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- British intelligence believes that up to ten SCUD missiles
>> >> >> >> capable
>> >> >> >> of carrying CBW warheads remain hidden.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- UNSCOM reports that between 40-70 CBW-capable missile warheads
>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- Iraq possessed enough growth medium to produce over 16,000
>> liters
>> >> >> >> more
>> >> >> >> anthrax spores than has been acknowledged.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- 4,000 tons of CW precursor chemicals are unaccounted for;
>> enough
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> produce several hundred tons of CW agents.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- 31,000 CW munitions remain unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- Essential CW production equipment remains unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- It is believed that Iraq may retain undetermined amounts of
>> Ebola
>> >> >> >> virus, bubonic and pneumonic plague bacteria, and the toxin
>> >> >> >> ricin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ========================
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thursday, 19 December, 2002, 16:35 GMT
>> >> >> >> *Iraq's 'unaccounted for' weapons*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> By Paul Reynolds
>> >> >> >> BBC News Online world affairs correspondent
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2590265.stm >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix has said Iraq's new
>> declaration
>> >> >> >> contains little information that had not been declared by Baghdad
>> >> >> >> before
>> >> >> >> 1998 when UN arms experts were last in Iraq.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The US and UK have long had concerns about what is described as
>> >> >> >> unaccounted
>> >> >> >> for chemical, biological and nuclear material. Their assessments
>> >> >> >> were
>> >> >> >> partly
>> >> >> >> based on a report by the weapons inspections organisation Unscom,
>> >> >> >> predecessor to Unmovic.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In early 1999, Unscom gave the Security Council its own
>> >> >> >> assessment
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> what
>> >> >> >> Iraq had destroyed and what remained unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The US and UK want a full explanation of what happened to the
>> >> >> >> following:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> - 360 tonnes of chemical warfare agents, including 1.5 tonnes
>> of
>> >> VX
>> >> >> >> nerve agent;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> - 3,000 tonnes of chemical precursors (which are developed
>> >> >> >> into
>> >> >> >> chemical weapons) including 300 tonnes uniquely used for VX.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The 1999 Unscom report said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "According to Iraq, 1.5 tonnes of VX were discarded unilaterally
>> by
>> >> >> >> dumping
>> >> >> >> on the ground. Traces of one VX-degradation product and a
>> >> >> >> chemical
>> >> >> >> known
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> a VX-stabilizer were found in the samples taken from the VX dump
>> >> sites.
>> >> >> >> A
>> >> >> >> quantified assessment is not possible."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> *Biological*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Britain and America want to know about:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Growth media for 20,000 litres of biological warfare agents. Any
>> >> Iraqi
>> >> >> >> claims that this will have degenerated will not be accepted as
>> >> mustard
>> >> >> >> gas
>> >> >> >> found in shells in 1997 was active;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Shells for use in biological warfare - 20,000 are missing say the
>> >> >> >> British,
>> >> >> >> 15,000 say the Americans;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Unscom said in 1999:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "The commission has little or no confidence in Iraq's accounting
>> for
>> >> >> >> proscribed items for which physical evidence is lacking or
>> >> >> >> inconclusive,
>> >> >> >> documentation is sparse or nonexistent, and coherence and
>> >> >> >> consistency
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> lacking.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> These include, for example: quantities and types of munitions
>> >> available
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> biological weapons (BW) filling; quantities and types of
>> >> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> >> filled
>> >> >> >> with BW agents; quantities and type of bulk agents produced;
>> >> quantities
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> bulk agents used in filling; quantities of bulk agents destroyed;
>> >> >> >> quantities
>> >> >> >> of growth media acquired for the programme; and quantities of
>> growth
>> >> >> >> media
>> >> >> >> used/consumed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In addition, the commission has no confidence that all bulk
>> >> >> >> agents
>> >> have
>> >> >> >> been destroyed; that no BW munitions or weapons remain in Iraq;
>> and
>> >> >> >> that a
>> >> >> >> BW capability does not still exist in Iraq."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> *Chemical warfare munitions*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Washington and London demand disclosure on:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 6,000 chemical warfare bombs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Unscom said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The commission has accepted the destruction of about 34,000
>> >> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> the basis of multiple sources, including physical evidence,
>> >> >> >> documents
>> >> >> >> provided by Iraq etc. However, it has not been possible to
>> >> >> >> achieve
>> a
>> >> >> >> numerical accounting of destroyed munitions due to heavy bomb
>> damage
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> CW storage
>> >> >> >> facilities<
>> >>
https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h..
>> .>,
>> >> >> >> where these munitions had been stored during the Gulf war. The
>> >> >> >> destruction
>> >> >> >> of about 2,000 unfilled munitions remain uncertain, 550 filled
>> >> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> >> remain unaccounted for.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Other key concerns for the US and UK include the following:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> - Why did Iraq try to import 60,000 aluminium tubes? Rapidly
>> >> >> >> spinning
>> >> >> >> rotor tubes in centrifuges are used to separate weapons grade
>> >> >> >> uranium,
>> >> >> >> though both the British and American reports acknowledge that
>> the
>> >> >> >> tubes
>> >> >> >> could be used for conventional weapons as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Why did it try to import other equipment, including vacuum
>> >> >> >> pumps<
>> >>
https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h..
>> .>,
>> >> >> >> a winding machine and special chemicals needed in gas
>> >> >> >> centrifuge<
>> >>
https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h..
>> >> .>cascades?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> =============================================
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I don't think there is any argument, by anyone who keeps abreast
>> of
>> >> >> >> current
>> >> >> >> affairs and world events, that all of the Western World believed
>> at
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> time
>> >> >> >> of the United States' invasion of Iraq, that Saddam Hussein
>> >> possessed
>> >> >> >> biological and chemical weapons, and was attempting to obtain
>> >> >> >> nuclear
>> >> >> >> weaponry. Hell, we, (MNO's from Germany, the United States and
>> >> >> >> Great
>> >> >> >> Britain) sold them to Hussein and his government! Anthrax, VX
>> nerve
>> >> >> >> agent,
>> >> >> >> and a variety of other weapons of mass destruction were never
>> >> accounted
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> by Saddam Hussein and his Baath Party led Iraqi government, as
>> late
>> >> as
>> >> >> >> 2003.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>>
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/wmd_5-29.html >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As stated, I attached a declassified file from the United States
>> >> Senate
>> >> >> >> where 500 canisters for missile armament tips of nerve agent
>> >> >> >> were
>> >> >> >> found
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> 2006.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No major media outcry over that. Hardly a peep from mainstream
>> >> >> >> media
>> >> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> 550 metric tons of yellow cake was recently shipped to Canada
>> from
>> >> >> >> Iraq,
>> >> >> >> just this year:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >>
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/07/07/msm-yawn-550-met.
>> ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-elliott/weapons-of-mass-destruc.
>> ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/2003/203/pe42 >> >> >>
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> read more »
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>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> Have a great day,
>> >> Tommy
>> >>
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