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Friday, November 25, 2011

Podcast interview w/ Lord Robert Skidelsky, Keynes' biographer

Posted this morning at Electric Politics, a podcast interview with
Lord Robert Skidelsky, Keynes' biographer and author most recently of
Return of the Master (Public Affairs, 2009), a synopsis of his
definitive three volume biography and an application of Keynesian
insights to the current crisis.

Subjects discussed include, among others, Kosovo, the Eurozone, the
study of economics, and the true nature of money.

If you enjoy the podcast please forward the link.

http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2011/11/seeking_economic_truth.html

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JP Dollar Euro War

From: Javeed Khan <javeed_aziz@hotmail.com>
An interesting theory …. :

Cause for the Economic crisis............nteresting

Except for the Americans, the rest of the world has been aware of this.
Maybe the Americans chose to ignore.

It maybe a good idea to shift some US$ into Canadian ,Australian,or even Indian Rupees

Cause for the crisis............interesting.

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The Roots of Surveillance America

The Free Life
The Roots of Surveillance America
In the beginning there was J. Edgar Hoover.
Wendy McElroy
Posted November 22, 2011

How did intelligence-gathering in the United States become centralized and opposed to civil liberties?

The answer lies in war, fear-mongering, political ambition, and the career path of the most pragmatic bureaucrat America has produced: J. Edgar Hoover (1895-1972), the first director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). A supremely political animal, Hoover occupied high office for nearly 50 years, during which he was instrumental in laying the foundation for a national security state.

A national security state is one that is constantly at war and vigilantly on guard against "the enemy" who is both external and internal. The external enemy can be a combatant country or a concept, like communism or terrorism. The internal enemy is anyone within the nation who disagrees with official war policy or espouses the "wrong" concept.

Bureau of Investigation

Hoover's career was born in war and in fighting "the enemy." Before World War I the then-Bureau of Investigation (BI) pursued federal crimes, such as transporting women across state lines for immoral purposes (the Mann Act, 1910). During the war the Justice Department, under which the BI functioned, shifted its focus to domestic security. It targeted the foreign-born within America.

In 1918 the Alien Enemy Bureau opened to track foreign nationals, radicals, and other suspected subversives. In his book J. Edgar Hoover and the Anti-Interventionists, historian Douglas M. Charles observed that it was in this bureau "that a young J. Edgar Hoover . . . learned to use administrative procedures to bypass legal restraints."

Fear of subversives outlived the war. As Russia plunged deeply into communism, massive strikes rocked America; the labor unrest was blamed on socialists and foreign radicals. In 1919 Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer appointed Hoover as head of the newly formed Radical Bureau with the mission of rooting radicalism out of American soil. Approximately 10,000 "subversives" were arrested, with several hundred foreigners deported. Civil liberties were ignored or skirted; for example, immigration regulations were altered specifically to facilitate deportations.

Public Scandal

In 1923 the BI's abuses became a raging public scandal and a new attorney general vowed to clean house. In 1924, despite his role at the Radical Bureau, Hoover assumed BI's leadership. Publicly he pledged an end to civil liberties violations. Privately he developed procedures to gather prohibited intelligence on the sly. For example, sensitive information never entered the BI's files but was placed directly on Hoover's desk to enter a parallel filing system. Hoover began to amass the vast database of personal information for which so many politicians in future decades would fear him.

Under the presidency of Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945), the Republican-appointed Hoover made himself useful by providing intimate reports on FDR's political opponents; indeed, Hoover's power increased under Republican and Democratic presidents because his services were of bipartisan value. Civil liberties violations were largely ignored. In the 1930s high-profile crime sprees, such as that of bank-robbing John Dillinger, allowed the federal government to develop an expansive crime program through which the BI assumed jurisdiction in areas formerly reserved to the states. In July 1935 the Federal Bureau of Investigation emerged. A federalized combination of intelligence gathering and crime control was established.

As fascism grew in Europe FDR focused on foreign policy and domestic security. In August 1936 a private meeting between FDR and Hoover was recorded in then-confidential memoranda. FDR wanted "a broad picture" of subversive groups and, again, Hoover side-stepped legal obstacles through an administrative tactic. The FBI was allowed to investigate "any matters referred to it by the Department of State." Thereafter, the FBI closely monitored journalists, political activists, antiwar advocates, isolationists, and critics of FDR.

At this point the FBI became primarily an intelligence-gathering agency. Moreover, through administrative ruses and covert means, the agency functioned largely without legislative approval or public scrutiny; it became increasingly autonomous.

Intelligence Monopoly

Hoover then moved to ensure a monopoly on domestic intelligence. In 1939 FDR considered giving this authority to an interdepartmental committee. In his book Charles explained that Hoover warned the attorney general "of the civil liberty abuses" during the Palmer years and "argued that centralizing domestic investigations within the FBI could avoid the mistakes of the past. This clever civil libertarian argument worked. . . ." Domestic intelligence was placed under the authority of the FBI, Military Intelligence Division, and Office of Naval Intelligence; most importantly, the FBI coordinated all information.

From American entry in World War II through the ensuing Cold War, civil liberties gave way to security concerns. By then the FBI was already positioned as a centralized agency of social control, which was maintained through gathering intelligence for political purposes.

Hoover retained his FBI power base until his death in 1972. Subsequent "national security" agencies have followed in his footsteps by remaining secretive, by using administrative procedures to violate civil liberties, and by being useful to both parties. In a real sense, it is a photo of Hoover that should looking down on America as Big Brother.

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/headline/the-roots-of-surveillance-america/

RE: JP Why "No" to Imran Khan....

It should not be a platform to promote any political party or politician, its ok if someone likes any party or politician, but we are here to choose the best from existing system, and being the supporter of any party/person as a responsible citizen we should highlight every points needs improvement.

I do agree that PTI is the best available option among all existing parties, but At least Imran khan when he is very much concerned about the corruption, so why he is letting such people enter in his party. When these people will come they will blackmail him and system will remain same.

Anwar

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From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of UN Barry
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:43 PM
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....

what life teaches is:

never get crazy for anybody, never make ideals bc when it breaks, personality shakes.

Wish you good luck with PTI

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Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 6:04 AM
Subject: Fw: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....

Dear Mr. Nadeem,

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Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:51 PM

Subject: RE: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....

Dear Mr. Niaz,

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

Sorry to intrupt all the participants in this discussion.

Please give vote again to the same pople and suffer for next 5 years for Electricity, Education, water, terrorism and all other social issues.

In my point of view, the duration of Elections should be after 3 years not after 5 years. Then your will see all the existing bad Politicians and Parties and people will exit quickly from politics.

All the exisiting parties are respnosble for all bad things in Pakistan.

Imran may be an alternative but it depends on the voters and Bogus Voters elimination from voter lists from Election Comissions.

Best Regards,

Muhammad Nadeem Atta

Jubail, Saudi Arabia.

P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.

اللَّهُمَّ إِنِّي أَسْأَلُكَ عِلْمَاً نَافِعَاًً وَرِزْقَاً وَاسِعَاًَ وَشِفَاءً مِنْ كُلِّ دَاءٍ

"O Allah, I seek beneficial knowledge, wide sustenance and cure from all ailments from You".

(Hisnul Hasin)

سبحان الله والحمد لله ولا اله الا الله والله اكبر ولا حول ولا قوة الا بالله العلي العظيم

From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of niazpanhwar@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 9:45 AM
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Subject: Re: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....

Well answered by Khalid Javed sb....

Yes, don't criticise Imran Khan on the basis of team and experience. An honest and committed leader can make a team of ordinary players into a winning team! Like he did in 1992 world cup.

Niaz

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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:47:45 +0500

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Subject: Re: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....

Question:

Has Imran a well qualified team to run the country?

Answer:

No, but have others? So, why not give him a chance. At least he is honest and committed to Pakistan.

Khalid Javed

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Muhammad Haris Haneef <haris_2003@hotmail.com> wrote:

Imran khan is educated and has skills to lead ... those who criticize him , they can ask him straight away about shaukat khanam ,about poicies and whatever it is. He is always ready to asnwer. not like nawaz and zardari who send their puppets to answer the question .. He is the only one who leads the party right from the front .

Muhammad Haris Haneef

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 02:38:23 -0800
From: aapka10@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com

has Imran well qualified and skillful team to run a country successfully?

From: Mansoor Rahim <mnf132@hotmail.com>
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....

W Salam

Well first of all we knows that Imran is having qualities of a great leader, and as a great leader he will choose only right politicians. He already has a commission in his party, who are collecting records of right and wrong politicians.

Secondly I am disagree with your "NO" as other political parties have been failed to produce quality work to develope this beautiful country.

MY VOICE IS 'YES' FOR PTI AND IMRAN KHAN

thank you all

Mansoor Rahim Zahid

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:51:18 -0800
From: unbarry@yahoo.com
Subject: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....
To:

assalam o alaikum.

It seems that Imran Khan is captured by the people of vested interests. He started his political career as a 'Muslim Hero" then suddenly he becomes "liberal". It seems that he is not clear about what he want to b? Then how can he lead us?

Secondly, his party is joining by the old, cunning and bad reputed politicians of Q-League, their presence have raised some doubts in our minds regarding the party policy and the ruling policy of our country under these ministers.

Imran needs to review his vision and mission seriously because ruling the country is not a joke......

Regards

U N Barry

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JP JO MARZI KA VOTE NA DAALAIN, MAAR DIYAE JATEY HAIN...

RE: JP Why "No" to Imran Khan....

Yes I agree with shafiya Chaudhry. What we are doing in our daily life no one knows but doing. Basically our mind become corrupt and we did not feel this corruption being consider it as a routine matter. Many corrupt people join Mr. Imran Khan now why he is accepting such people ? amazing

There need our inner change then change revolution become.

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From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shafiya Chaudhry
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Subject: RE: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....

He is capable to do wot he wants to do but he will do wot others are doing. We must change ourselves rather than depending upon our leaders only. It seems to me that only a blood revolution can bring change in our country. We must revise our values into strong values, embrace those values and should start practicing them individually rather than waiting for others. Coz individuality turns into nation…

Shafiya

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From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Irshad Ghori
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 5:15 AM
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Subject: FW: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....

Well guys I read your conversation..this is no doubt imran is a honest and patriot personality, but the team which he run are all same old faces..PML Q personalities and other political parties person are joining PTI which is doubtful and not good for PTI….imran must keep a criteria to choose any person…and his past must clean and clear…

From: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com [mailto:joinpakistan@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Khalid Javed
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:48 PM
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....

Question:

Has Imran a well qualified team to run the country?

Answer:

No, but have others? So, why not give him a chance. At least he is honest and committed to Pakistan.

Khalid Javed

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Muhammad Haris Haneef <haris_2003@hotmail.com> wrote:

Imran khan is educated and has skills to lead ... those who criticize him , they can ask him straight away about shaukat khanam ,about poicies and whatever it is. He is always ready to asnwer. not like nawaz and zardari who send their puppets to answer the question .. He is the only one who leads the party right from the front .

Muhammad Haris Haneef

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 02:38:23 -0800
From: aapka10@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com

has Imran well qualified and skillful team to run a country successfully?

From: Mansoor Rahim <mnf132@hotmail.com>
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....

W Salam

Well first of all we knows that Imran is having qualities of a great leader, and as a great leader he will choose only right politicians. He already has a commission in his party, who are collecting records of right and wrong politicians.

Secondly I am disagree with your "NO" as other political parties have been failed to produce quality work to develope this beautiful country.

MY VOICE IS 'YES' FOR PTI AND IMRAN KHAN

thank you all

Mansoor Rahim Zahid

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:51:18 -0800
From: unbarry@yahoo.com
Subject: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....
To:

assalam o alaikum.

It seems that Imran Khan is captured by the people of vested interests. He started his political career as a 'Muslim Hero" then suddenly he becomes "liberal". It seems that he is not clear about what he want to b? Then how can he lead us?

Secondly, his party is joining by the old, cunning and bad reputed politicians of Q-League, their presence have raised some doubts in our minds regarding the party policy and the ruling policy of our country under these ministers.

Imran needs to review his vision and mission seriously because ruling the country is not a joke......

Regards

U N Barry

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Re: JP Why "No" to Imran Khan....

Shafiya has a very vaild point. Following points can be extracted from the below discussion:

- Imran is patriotic & honest, but the team he leads might not have the gutts.

- Most of us are agreed on the point that rather experimenting the old faces, Imran should be given a fair chance to show his capabilities.

Many might not agree with the foregoing. Well, the thing is, that Shafiya has just said, that we should not wait for someone as this is the time to show up the individual efforts, which collectively can bring about the change, we all desire to arrive. We must stay honest with our work, our family, our nation, & should discourage as many things as we can to save the country from exploitation, menance of corruption & dishonour..

This is not the end, but few observations & their responses.

Regards,

Danish Ali Khan

MCB Bank Limited

From: Shafiya Chaudhry <hr@awazcds.org.pk>
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 12:19 AM
Subject: RE: **JP** Why "No" to Imran Khan....