Regard$,
--MJ
You can't reason somebody out of something they
weren't reasoned into. -- L. Neil Smith
At 05:09 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote:
>against your disregard of facts
>
>On Jan 20, 3:23 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > Your fallacy of appeal to authority AND delusion.
> >
> > Regard$,
> > --MJ
> >
> > The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the
> > first example of governments erected on the simple principles
> > of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to
> > disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and
> > superstition, they will consider this event as an era in
> > their history. Although the detail of the formation of the
> > American governments is at present little known or regarded
> > either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an
> > object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any
> > persons employed in that service had interviews with the
> > gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven,
> > more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring
> > in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be
> > acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely
> > by the use of reason and the senses....
> > -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government
> > of the United States of America" [1787-1788];
> >
> > At 03:04 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >You're wrong again:
> > >The United States of America is a federal constitutional republic.
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
> >
> > >On Jan 20, 1:59 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > WRONG.
> >
> > > > The US -- as crafted by its Constitution -- is a Constitutionally
> > > > LIMITED Republic. The States who created it choose a President (by
> > > > electors chosen by whatever method each State's legislature chooses),
> > > > the People of the States are 'district-ly' represented by a single
> > > > House Member . The States themselves WERE represented by Senators
> > > > (before that check was eliminated). The ENUMERATED Powers provided
> > > > said Government *may* call for democratic process, but such process
> > > > does NOT a democracy make. Those enumerated Powers can ONLY
> > > > (legitimately) be changed by those Sovereign States that put the
> > > > agreement into effect.
> >
> > > > A Democracy, on the other hand, can be DIRECT or REPRESENTATIVE
> > > > ... whatever the Mob (or at least what is perceived as such) desires
> > > > becomes law.
> >
> > > > Regard$,
> > > > --MJ
> >
> > > > Democracy: A government of the masses.
> > > > Authority derived through mass meeting or
> > > > any other form of direct expression. Results
> > > > in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is
> > > > communistic ... Attitude toward law is that
> > > > the will of the majority shall regulate,
> > > > whether it is based on deliberation or
> > > > governed by passion, prejudice, or impulse,
> > > > without restraint or regard to the
> > > > consequences. Result is demagogism,
> > > > license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.
> > > > -- U.S. Army training manual No. 2000-25 (1928-1932)
> >
> > > > At 02:07 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote:
> >
> > > > >I believe in Democracy
> > > > >---
> > > > >then you should move to democratic country
> >
> > > > >The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately
> > > > >defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people
> > > > >decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by
> > > > >voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other
> > > > >hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in
> > > > >turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the
> > > > >Constitution were altogether fearful of democracy. Everything they
> > > > >read and studied taught them that democracies "have ever been
> > > > >spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found
> > > > >incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and
> > > > >have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent
> > > > >in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10).
> >
> > > > >On Jan 20, 12:05 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Old Sagey is wrong again.
> >
> > > > > > I am not a diciple of any school or movement, I am not a socialist,
> > > > > > and I am not a propagandist.
> >
> > > > > > I am an independent thinker with my own personal centrist
> > > > > Progressive beliefs.
> > > > > > I speak the truth, as I see it. I
> believe in Democracy, despite its
> > > > > > many flaws.
> >
> > > > > > It is the Far Right that is the real puveyour of lies, smear, and
> > > > > propaganda.
> >
> > > > > > On 1/19/11, Sage2 <wisdom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Don't you all know that Tommy is a student &
> > > > > > > disciple of the Saul Alinsky school of progressive socialism &
> > > > > > > propaganda?! Just like Bill Ayers and most progressives
> > > infesting our
> > > > > > > Colleges & Universities as well as
> government. They are like leeches
> > > > > > > crawling in the dark waiting to make any move at any time.
> > > > > > > Divisiveness & DEMagoguery being just a few of their tools of the
> > > > > > > trade.
> >
> > >
> ***************************************************************************
> > > > > **********************************************************
> >
> > > > > > > On Jan 19, 10:17 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> This is not a personal insult, it
> is a general and genuine political
> > > > > > >> opinion of mine.
> >
> > > > > > >> The far right extremists are indeed similar to the Third
> > > Reich in many
> > > > > > >> respects, especially regarding
> fear mongering, false propaganda, war
> > > > > > >> mongering, and pre-emptive "Bush Doctrine" illegal wars,
> > > self centered
> > > > > > >> supremist beliefs, corrupt
> profiteering, Corporate personhood and
> > > > > > >> greed, etc. Tell me I am wrong, and why?
> >
> > > > > > >> On 1/19/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> > Oh, THIS post. LOL
> >
> > > > > > >> > You toss Reich Wing around like candy and then have
> > > balls to ask, 'Do
> > > > > > >> > you feel that personal insuts and vicious attacks on
> > > group members are
> > > > > > >> > acceptable in this forum?"
> >
> > > > > > >> > Guess what doof. Reich Wing is
> a personal attack and an insult.
> >
> > > > > > >> > Duhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
> >
> > > > > > >> > Have a good cry. Its fun to watch
> >
> > > > > > >> > On Jan 19, 9:50 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> You are evading or avoiding my questions.
> >
> > > > > > >> >> 1- Please show me specifically where it says anything about
> > > > > "Nazis" in
> > > > > > >> >> THIS
> > > > > > >> >> post.
> >
> > > > > > >> >> 2- Please show me exactly where
> i have cryed "like a 6 year old
> > > > > > >> >> girl about" anything at all?
> >
> > > > > > >> >> 3- Do you feel that personal
> insuts and vicious attacks on group
> > > > > > >> >> members are acceptable in this forum?
> >
> > > > > > >> >> 4- How old are you? Are you aware that bullies and many
> > > children find
> > > > > > >> >> humor in the vicious things that you find funny?
> >
> > > > > > >> >> On 1/19/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> >> > You toss Reich Wing around
> like candy, and whine like a girl if
> > > > > > >> >> > someone calls you a name, or cry "offensive" when
> > > > > challenged on your
> > > > > > >> >> > crying offense.
> >
> > > > > > >> >> > ALL THE TIME
> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Its hilarious. Please don't stop. I always need a good
> > > > > laugh in the
> > > > > > >> >> > morning, and you're a king.
> >
> > > > > > >> >> > On Jan 18, 10:07 pm, Tommy
> News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> >> Gregie-
> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> Please show me specifically where it says anything about
> > > > > "Nazis" in
> > > > > > >> >> >> this
> > > > > > >> >> >> post.
> > > > > > >> >> >> Also, please show me exactly where i have cryed
> > > "like a 6 year old
> > > > > > >> >> >> girl about" antthing at all?
> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> I am waiting.
> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> To Repeat:
> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> The illegal invasion of Iraq was indeed in violation
> > > of both the
> > > > > > >> >> >> United Nations Charter and also violated The Geneva
> > > > > Convention. See
> > > > > > >> >> >> the Kucinich Articles of Impeachment I have provided
> > > > > previously for
> > > > > > >> >> >> empirical proof and documentation.
> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> The "Bush Doctrine" was
> indeed illegal, and the war criminals
> > > > > > >> >> >> responsible should be prosecuted.
> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> The blood is on the hands of the Republican party of low.
> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> On 1/18/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> > What fun it is to see Tommy News cry like a 6 year old
> > > > > girl about
> > > > > > >> >> >> > being offended and called names, while in the same
> > > post calling
> > > > > > >> >> >> > any
> > > > > > >> >> >> > and everyone on the right Nazis.
> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> > Its Mel Brooks comedy, but the dif is, Mel is smart.
> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> > --
> > > > > > >> >> >> > Thanks for being part of
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> > > > > > >> >> >> > For options & help
> > > > > > >> >> >> > seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
> >
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> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> --
> > > > > > >> >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > > > > >> >> >> Have a great day,
> > > > > > >> >> >> Tommy
> >
> > > > > > >> >> > --
> > > > > > >> >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.
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> > > > > > >> >> --
> > > > > > >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > > > > >> >> Have a great day,
> > > > > > >> >> Tommy- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > >> >> - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > >> > --
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