On Jan 20, 1:09 pm, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed; with the exception that I would add this line:
>
> *The Jews and the "Socialists/Democrats/Marxists/Moonbats" think that
> flooding the media with Hitler at every turn helps. It doesn't. Americans
> didn't and still don't owe the Jews/"Socialists/Democrats/Marxists/Moonbats"
> sympathy or protection. You're either an American first or you're something
> else.
> *
>
> KeithInKöln
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:22 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > The jews think that flooding the media with hitler at every turn
> > helps. It doesn't. Americans didn't and still don't owe the jews
> > sympathy or protection. You're either an American first or you're
> > something else.
>
> > On Jan 20, 11:48 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > Thursday, January 20, 2010Bringing Up Hitlerby Jacob G. Hornberger
> > > Yes, I know that American statists hate it when someone brings up Hitler
> > in the context of U.S. government policies. But it seems to be that bringing
> > up Hitler can sometimes be instructive, especially given his historical role
> > as a benchmark for evil.
> > > That's not to suggest that every single thing that Hitler ever did was
> > evil, but it seems to me that if the U.S. government is doing something that
> > Hitler did, that ought to at least raise some red flags in the minds of the
> > American people.
> > > For example, consider such things as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
> > public schooling, economic regulations, government-business partnerships,
> > welfare, and a big military-industrial complex. Hitler loved those things,
> > and they were core elements of his National Socialist program.
> > > That shouldn't surprise anyone, at least with respect to the welfare
> > state. As most Germans undoubtedly know, welfare-state programs originated
> > among German socialists in the late 1800s, and they were incorporated into
> > Germany's political system by Otto von Bismarck, who was known as the Iron
> > Chancellor of Germany. The welfare-state ideas were later imported into the
> > United States and becamecore elements of America's political system during
> > the Franklin Roosevelt administration.
> > > Perhaps that's why American statists hate it when someone brings up
> > Hitler in the context of U.S. government policies. They fear that Americans,
> > upon learning that Hitler embraced welfare-state programs and regulatory
> > programs, might begin questioning the moral legitimacy of such programs. At
> > the very least, Americans might begin realizing what Hitler and the German
> > people realized: that welfare-state programs are socialist in nature and
> > origin, not free-enterprise.
> > > Another thing about Hitler was his appreciation for how crises could be
> > used to centralize and expand the power of the state. The best example of
> > that was the terrorist attack that became known as the Reichstag Fire, when
> > terrorists fire-bombed the German parliament building. For the Germans, the
> > Reichstag Fire was considered as big an event as the 9/11 terrorist attacks
> > on the United States.
> > > Hitler didn't skip a beat. His people charged and prosecuted several
> > people who they believed had conspired to commit the attack. To their
> > surprise, the courts acquitted some of the defendants, which motivated
> > Hitler to organize a special court known as the People's Court to try
> > accused people accused of terrorism in the future, to ensure that suspected
> > terrorists would never again be acquitted by the regular German courts.
> > > Hitler also seized on the terrorist crisis to seek a temporary suspension
> > of civil liberties from the Reichstag. After all, he argued, adherence to
> > the protection of civil liberties might enable the terrorists to win their
> > war on Germany. By suspending civil liberties, he argued, Germany could win
> > the war on terrorism, after which civil liberties could be restored.
> > > In the process, Hitler had an advantage. He was actually able to present
> > two official enemies to achieve his goal terrorism and communism. Not only
> > was one of the Reichstag terrorists a communist, every German knew of the
> > threat to Germany posed by the Soviet Union.
> > > The Reichstag granted Hitler's request for a temporary suspension of
> > civil liberties. Equally important, Hitler was able to use the twin crises
> > of communism and terrorism to support ever-growing expenditures on the
> > German military and German military-industrial complex.
> > > Ironically, after opposing Hitler in World War II, the U.S. government
> > adopted one of Hitler's twin threats the Soviet Union to justify an enormous
> > and ever-growing peacetime military establishment and a military-industrial
> > complex in the United States. Equally ironic was the fact that the Soviet
> > Union had served as a partner of the U.S. government in its battle against
> > the Nazis in World War II.
> > > In fact, to this day many American interventionists still celebrate the
> > fact that World War II was a great victory because "we" won control over
> > Eastern Europe from the Nazis, with the "we" meaning "our" ally, the Soviet
> > Union. Also ironic is the fact that the U.S. government enlisted Nazis to
> > help it fight its new cold war against Hitler's old enemy and the U.S.
> > government's old ally, the Soviet Union.
> > > When the Soviet communist threat came to an end many decades later,
> > interventionist policies of the U.S. government in the Middle East produced,
> > ironically, the other threat that Hitler had relied upon to centralize and
> > expand the powers of the state, build up the military, and suspend civil
> > liberties: terrorism. With the 9/11 attacks the U.S. government declared war
> > on the same enemy that Hitler had declared war on after the Reichstag fire a
> > war on terrorism.
> > > Ironically, however, unlike Hitler President Bush didn't even bother
> > going to the Congress to seek permission to suspend civil liberties. He and
> > the Pentagon simply held that since we are now at war against the
> > terrorists, they didn't need legislative approval to suspend civil
> > liberties, establish overseas prison camps, suspend habeas corpus, torture
> > people, and deny people fundamental rights and guarantees. War is war, they
> > argued.
> > > In the process, the irony was that U.S. officials did the same thing
> > Hitler did use the terrorist threat to justify ever-increasing expenditures
> > for the military and the military-industrial complex.
> > > They also used the war on terrorism to wage an undeclared war of
> > aggression on Iraq, a country that had never attacked the United States or
> > even threatened to do so. Ironically, a war of aggression had been declared
> > a war crime at Nuremberg.
> > > They also established a special Pentagon judicial system for trying
> > accused terrorists that, ironically, bears a remarkable similarity to
> > Hitler's special court for trying accused terrorists that he established
> > after some of the Reichstag Fire defendants had been acquitted in the
> > regular German courts.
> > > Recently, the Pentagon and U.S. interventionists have been forewarning us
> > about the growing threat from the Chinese communists and the North Korean
> > communists, which, not surprisingly, they are using to justify
> > ever-increasing spending on the military and the military-industrial
> > complex.
> > > Isn't that ironic? We're now at a point where the U.S. government is
> > supposedly faced with the twin threats that Hitler was faced with terrorism
> > and communism. Equally ironic, those twin threats are being used to justify
> > the same three things that Hitler achieved: a suspension of civil liberties,
> > an ever-growing military and military-industrial complex, and a specially
> > created judicial system that will guarantee convictions for accused
> > terrorists.
> > > Would it be inappropriate to bring up Santayana while bringing up Hitler?
> > "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
> >http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2011-01-20.asp
>
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