Sunday, December 12, 2010

Re: Manning Up

Actually Bruce it is exactly like renting an apartment and then
filling it with tons of friends so the landlord can't get in. As long
as my rent is paid I have the right to use the space allotted to me.
If the landlord has not established an "Occupancy" limit and has no
way to enact one.... I can put as many people there as I want. If he
has no controls to cover the "Common areas" I can fill those to and
thus legally deny service to other tenants and or the landlord himself
as long as no physical damage is being done.

On Dec 11, 7:08 am, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Joe E
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> I wanted to take a minute to respond to Eric's analogy trying to justify
> "denial of service" computer attacks, suggesting that such behavior does not
> represent a crime.
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> Eric's analogy, suggesting that a computer "denial of service" attack is the
> equivalent of people, in large numbers, going to a business owner's premises
> and loitering, thus preventing that business owner from conducting business,
> fails to properly represent the action of computer "denial of service" (DoS)
> attacks.
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> In DoS, the attackers are using a tool, the computer -- which is designed to
> do repetitive "actions" effortlessly -- to block (using electrons) a
> business owner and those the owner invites onto his servers, from accessing
> his rightful property (the servers). Eric's analogy would be a more accurate
> representation if he suggested people sent large numbers of robots to crowd
> in a business's doorway and prevent the business owner, and anyone else,
> from accessing the business.
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> The other issue Eric is misrepresenting is the nature of private property
> when a business opens that property inviting the public to come and engage
> in business transactions with him. His "open for business" sign is NOT
> saying he is giving up all control and people can come and loiter and
> interrupt his business operation. He can tell people to "get out" of his
> store; if they refuse, he can have them arrested for trespassing.
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> In a DoS attack, the attackers are ignoring the rules of the private
> property they program their computers to attack. The business (server)
> owner, when opening his computers to access from the public is NOT giving
> anyone "unlimited freedom" to access that space; that space -- on PRIVATE
> property -- is open for those seeking to engage in potential transactions
> with the business owner.
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> These points are important; trespassing (which is what a DoS attack
> represents) does not need to involve "damage" to be the crime it is (even
> though it does normally involve the damage of interrupting business
> operations). It is an action which ignores the rights of private property
> owners. Just because someone uses a tool (the computer) to reach out and
> trespass (and interrupt people as they seek to engage in business
> transactions with others) does not change the nature of their action.
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> The computer and internet is a tool like a "long stick"; a person using it
> needs to be mindful of the rights of others in that space -- on the
> communication lines and onto the servers owned by others -- when he "pokes"
> onto their property.
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