I don't know that I agree with Ron Paul on foriegn policy on every issue
-- I might be for a preemptive strike against Iran at some point
What I also know is we have a system where the establishment spends trillions, lies to us, kills Americans and innocents, allows Islamofascists to kill thousands including Americans, and then lies about a guy who criticizes this mess
I don't know that I want Obama to have the power to do these things
I don't know that I think our federal government should get to decide who around the world does and does not have what weapons, as opposed to using them against us
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep. I too am a Rand Paul supporter, and I believe this guy has the makings of a great leader.Ron Paul is unelectable, (on a national scale) period.Everything that you wrote, I agree with. I do think that the next Republican Administration will steer clear of any major conflicts, (Depending on what happens in North Korea) but we're finished "Nation Building"; a concept dreamed up by for lack of a better term, "Fatalist Neo-Cons". The focus during the next ten or twelve years will be to get this Nation geared up and competitive with China and Russia. Both economic dynamos in their own right. Both have so much money and resources, it's downright scary! China has internal problems that will soon bubble to the surface, and it appears that the EU is going to trip and fall, but if it doesn't, then there is another potential "Economic Dynamo" that we will be forced to compete with.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:I would love to be in control of Dr PaulI would love to even have Rand Paul be in control of Dr PaulBecause I do not think he is a good public speakerThat said, blaming the American foreign policy establishment is not the same as blaming Americafor example, the American establishment taxed us all trillions of dollars for defense, and didn't even have something on top of the Pentagon (or Manhattan) that could shoot down a planeOn Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
I've said for years that Dr. Paul's fiscal and economic policies are (as PlainOl terms it) "Spot On". We've seen Dr. Paul and other fiscal conservatives literally reconstitute the Republican Party, as to where all of the current candidates have an almost identical fiscal and economic policy. All of the candidates are calling for an audit of the federal reserve, and no question, the current tax code is doomed provided a Republican wins in 2012. I don't think that there are too many conservatives that disagree with Dr. Paul on his economic and fiscal policies, save for Paul's call to return to the Gold Standard, which I don't think will work in a New Millennium global economy like we have today.Where most Americans draw the line, is Paul's rhetorical "The U.S. Is To Blame" for the current woes in South West Asia and Northern Africa. Paul is an isolationist, and that won't work in the New Millennium.Paul's policies and platforms are not over our heads.....If anything, we consider them to be naive.On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
about what?that Ron Paul's ideas about money or foreign policy are over most of his critics heads?nothat's why we have a 16 trillion $ deficit
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:Sullum's article is thought provoking......Having a change of heart there Bruce?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
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At least he didn't like the Kirchick article.... Neither did I. --J.
http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/pauls-apology
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Not everything you may have heard about the newsletters is true. Contrary to what James Kirchickclaims in The New Republic, the newsletters did not offer "kind words for the former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke." And although various media outlets have described parts of the newsletters as "anti-Semitic," there's little evidence to back up that description in the passages Kirchickcites.
But the truth is bad enough. In addition to anti-gay comments that pine for the days of the closet, the newsletters include gratuitous swipes at Martin Luther King, discussions of crime that emphasize the perpetrators' skin color, and dark warnings of coming "race riots." None of it is explicitly racist, and some of it could be written off as deliberately provocative political commentary. Taken together, however, these passages clearly cater to the prejudices of angry white guys who hate gay people and fear blacks.
When Paul's opponent in his 1996 congressional campaign pointed to some of this ugly stuff, Paul accused him of taking the quotes "out of context." It was not until a 2001 interview with the Texas Monthly that Paul said his campaign advisers had discouraged him from telling the complete, "confusing" truth about the newsletters: that the most outrageous material had been written by someone else.
That is Paul's defense today, and I'm inclined to believe him. The race-baiting newsletter passages do not sound like anything else Paul has said or written in his public life. People who were familiar with the newsletters' production confirm that they were largely ghostwritten and that Paul often did not review them prior to publication.
Yet the fact remains that Paul earned money and built his fund-raising list with newsletters that seemed to be aimed at bigots. Given his association with "paleolibertarians" such as Lew Rockwell whosought to construct an anti-statist coalition partly by appealing to racial resentments, he owes his supporters more than accepting "moral responsibility" for inadequately overseeing the newsletters to which he lent his name.
In a CNN interview, Paul alternated between acknowledging the legitimacy of this issue and dismissing it as old news dredged up "for political reasons." I'm sure most of his supporters were not familiar with the content of his newsletters. I've been working at the country's leading libertarian magazine on and off since 1989, and it was news to me.
If I thought Ron Paul might be president in 2009, I'd have to admit that his newsletter negligence raises questions about his judgment and about the people he'd choose to advise him. But since the value of the Paul campaign lies in promoting the libertarian ideals of limited government, individual freedom, and tolerance, the real problem is that the newsletters contradict this message.
On CNN Paul emphasized that racist libertarian is an oxymoron, since libertarians judge people as individuals. He should follow through on that point by identifying the author(s) of the race-baiting material and repudiating not just the sentiments it represents but the poisonous, self-defeating strategy of building an anti-collectivist movement on group hatred.
© Copyright 2008 by Creators Syndicate Inc.
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