I would expect nothing else from you, Dickie Dick.
On 1/5/11, dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I would refute this. Partisan gridlock, investigations, obstruction of
> bad legislation by the administration, that is what people voted for
> this year. The rest of what you are claiming is only in the mind of
> partisans like Tommy.
>
> Orolonged debate and investigations I would appreciate as then maybe the
> fools in Congress would at least read the legislation they are voting
> for and not have to come back and say I didn't see that in the bill or I
> would have fixed it. The fools never read the bill which is why they
> didn't know stuff like that 1099 brouhaha that is going to devastate the
> IRS and the smaller companies who use a lot of different suppliers or
> the individual operators who use companies for transportation or
> deliveries and therefore have to prepare 1099's with proper tax ID's for
> maybe even hundreds of companies and then submit those 1099's to the IRS
> which is already buried with the current forms. The IRS meanwhile has
> been trying to install updated systems for years and still hasn't been
> able to get them to work properly and now the idiots in Congress stick
> them with a lot more forms. Add to that the idea that the IRS will be
> the group that enforces the requirement for everyone to buy insurance.
> Think how much the IRS messes up now and add to that these two
> additional duties and then tell my you don't want lengthy discussion on
> the advisability of doing this - and that is just for starters.
>
> As to the backroom deals, when did the Republicans ever do this. The
> Dems did it this year with locking out the Republicans from the writing
> of the HCR bill - and then blamed the Republicans for obstruction.
> Under the circumstances obstruction is least of what I would expect!!
>
> Of course Tommy wants to cut that. Clinton spent the peace dividend in
> the 1990's and the result was that forces to defend the country had to
> be built back up again which cost more. Actually spending on the "war
> mongering" as Tommy boy calls it is one of the matters that is the
> province of the feds. That is one of their major duties and Tommy wants
> to cut it. The Republicans have tried to cut where they can at times
> but even then the Dems get all upset when the cuts hit an area where the
> Dems want to buy more votes. Check out how strongly Kennedy opposed
> base closings over the years for example. He did not even want to
> discuss closing bases in Massachusetts even though there was no further
> use for those bases.
>
>
> Your complaint about Jonathan is really reaching. You know already what
> he was saying and you are just trying to muddy the waters there.
>
>
> And your complaint about what I wrote makes no sense at all. I was
> saying that the feds are trying to tell us what we can say or what we
> can do or their latest what light bulbs we can use or what foods we are
> allowed to put in the lunches for the kids at school. Companies cannot
> hire the best people any more. They must hire to some proportional
> breakdown of the population or the feds sue them. I ran the
> personnel/benefits programs for several companies I consulted for and
> the feds came in and told them they had not hired enough people from a
> minority. The problem was that the minority would not come to the
> company because of the location and problems they had had with the
> residents of that location so of course the company could not hire
> enough of the minority. I had to produce 4000 pages of reports, 6
> copies each, every month to prove that we were attempting to hire from
> that minority and that we were not favoring one segment of the workforce
> in benefits, etc. Nobody ever seemed to look at the reports but I
> still had to spend a weekend every month producing the reports or the
> feds would have sued the company. Yes, freedom is the absence of the
> government interfering in the people implementing their ideas or taxing
> them or stupid rules that keep inventors from implementing good ideas.
> It is also forcing things that are totally unnecessary on local
> governments just because they can. Small town libraries in areas where
> there is a struggle to survive and the feds come in and say you have to
> have a special facility even though there is no need for that facility
> at all. You are being stupid with your freedom to rob a bank. There
> again the stopping of the criminals is a duty of the government but you
> knew that - just trying to make a stupid deal of it. And yes Uncle
> Sugar fighting wars against the big bad wolf because it is better to
> fight them there rather than here. But you knew that as well.
>
>
> Actually the reason we collectively cannot make a decision is because of
> matters like paying off those who got your elected ( unions, anyone?)
> when that payoff results in big cost overruns and lousy work and loss of
> jobs and also other special deals to favor your supporters and playing
> mind games with people so that they don't have to take responsibility
> for their actions. Cannot have little Johnny skin his knee or he might
> cry.
>
>
>
> On 01/05/2011 08:52 PM, Dena Liles wrote:
>> Well this seems to be just about as heated as up on the hill. Folks I
>> don't believe that people voted for replublicans or democratics for
>> their stand on anything. Can you honestly say that you understand the
>> health care bill? Be honest! One thing I have never had a problem
>> admitting is what I don't know. But I do know this (and I'm speaking
>> about all parties or progressives (I don't even know when they came
>> out of the cabbage patch), independents (who can't be) and the people
>> that just try to find the truth on the the candidates. Very few are
>> happy with our government; I haven't met a one but I have heard there
>> were.
>>
>> Most that I know of voted for change just like they did hoped for with
>> Obama, and they didn't get it. So what are most people going to
>> do when they try to fix something (even like a car) and it doesn't
>> work. They choose another path expecting that change. So IMHO we have
>> voted another stalemate. Now that we have passed this; they have can
>> start the election for 2012.
>>
>> Tommy says: say hello to partisan gridlock, obstruction,
>> investigations, the demonization of Unions, legislation to harm the
>> poor and working class, efforts to make the President fail, and
>> un-American bad behavior for the next two years! *<<< Who in this
>> forum refutes that this will go on?*
>>
>> The Annointed One asks Tommy: Please tell me why you find prolonged
>> debate and investigations wrong? *<<< Does anyone really want gov.
>> to lengthen and protract anything? *
>> **
>> Tommy replies: I do find unwarranted politically motivated
>> fillibusters, abuse of the 60 vote rule, backroom "deals", and
>> legislative obstruction wrong, however. *<<< Does anyone refute that
>> both sides do this and it will stop today forever including you, Mark?*
>> **
>> Tommy replies: Our health insurance system is one of the most
>> cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system. *<<< Does
>> anyone refute that a system should be a regulary interacting or
>> interdependent group forming a unified whole *
>> **
>> and Tommy continues: It's interesting that in all this talk about
>> saving money, it's never once been brought up that perhaps we should
>> cut back in the war mongering department. *<<< here's where I have
>> something to say because I'm right at the gates of the R&D Mecca of
>> the Masters of War - we were laughed at about a year ago when one of
>> the firms purposed a robot with a rifle attached to it. And while we
>> pay for the R&D and the prototypes to be built (which is usually more
>> than producing many of the new and improved ways to kill) the
>> companies don't just sell to us. We are getting killed by our own
>> inventions. *
>> **
>> *Then Johnathen replies: What was good for the goose is definitely
>> good for the gander as you will see with this Congress. <<<This one
>> needs clarification because this means that: **What is good for a man
>> is equally good for a woman; or, what a man can have or do, so can a
>> woman have or do. I assume that you are trying to say that the good
>> things that one poltical party enjoys, so should the other. Or worse,
>> that if you feel you have been wronged then others who have opposed
>> your intentions will meet with the same fate irregardless of if it is
>> good or bad for our country.
>>
>> And lastly Dick replies: The thing is that part of the reason we are
>> so rich is that our citizens have the opportunity to plan and take
>> care of themselves in the way that they choose. We have the right to
>> succeed beyond the wildest expectations of the rest of the world and
>> we also have the right to fail and then try again. That is what
>> freedom is all about. What you want is Uncle Sugar to make sure no
>> big bad wolf calls you names or harms you in any way - all you have to
>> do is give up your dreams. <<< I just am lost on this because
>> Americans can't plan and take care of themselves as they choose the
>> restrictions on American citizens - Well I could write all night.
>> Countries I can't go to, words I can't type on certain websites,
>> places I must conform to to live, taxes I don't want to pay. And no we
>> do not have the right to succeed beyond the wildest expectation of the
>> rest of world. <<<So this means I can dominate it and exploit it.
>> Freedom is the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice
>> or action <<<so I'm free to rob a bank. And Uncle Sugar is supposedly
>> fighting several wars against the big bad wolf. *
>> **
>> *I would say that the posts on this page represent precisely why we
>> collectively can't make a decision. As we watch the next 2 years, and
>> the next 2 years, and the next 2 years, ponder what was said here. And
>> they say that for anything to change it must be from the grassroots
>> up. This just disappoints me.*
>> *Peace (unless you have stock in War)*
>> *TS*
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Tommy
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