debate.
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when middle eastern terrorists are caught by their neighbors they are
punished or killed and sometimes these nations are at full war, but
they do continue to live side by side without full invasions ... can't
America be as considerate (logical)?
the cost American citizens have paid for an interventionist policy is
huge, maybe not so much for finance moguls
... regardless, with compound interest and roi it has been a financial
and civic disaster for American citizens ... and for what? A: divided
interests ... the commercial and humanitarian/religious interests of
those who lobby our government officials. Their goals are not in
always in the best interest of Americans and must not be funded with
US tax dollars. That's not to say that we can't 'help' when we are
needed and wanted, and shouldn't chase terrorists to the ends of the
earth, but getting between a foreign government and it's people or
siding with one nation over another is a plainol wrong.
America First!!!
On Dec 16, 7:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your man made his case against "Preventative War" last night in the
> debate. I imagine we will see the results of Dr. Paul on the next round of
> poll numbers, but I would bet a dollar and a beer that Paul does not win
> Iowa, after last night. A bet I would not have made earlier yesterday.
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:44 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > don't think you know what a NeoCon is. I really don't.
> > ---
> > educate yourself
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
> > you will see 3 main points:
> > - the promotion of democracy at the end of a gun
> > - interventionism and control of other nations
> > - jewish influenced for israel's sake
>
> > please state (at your convenience!) what specifically you
> > oppose about "NeoCon" policy
> > ---
> > all of the above
>
> > On Dec 14, 1:40 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > PlainOl';
>
> > > I don't think you know what a NeoCon is. I really don't.
>
> > > Moreover, please state (at your convenience!) what specifically you
> > > oppose about "NeoCon" policy. Be careful! Pop quiz coming.....
>
> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:05 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > Newt is just another neocon. Neocons control the xians and jews who
> > > > hate the muzzies and those against interventionism in the middle east.
>
> > > > know the enemy
>
> > > > On Dec 14, 9:56 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > > Sunday, December 11, 2011Newt Gingrich: Demagogue,
> > > > PseudointellectualPosted by Sheldon Richman at6:59 AMUpdated December
> > > > 12Newt Gingrich says the Palestinian people were invented. That's very
> > > > funny coming from a man who has reinvented himself a few times in his
> > life.
> > > > We didn't need more evidence of Gingrich's status as a rank demagogue
> > and
> > > > pseudointellectual, but he's furnished it anyway.
> > > > > Gingrich, in his typically arrogant manner, says this:And I think
> > that
> > > > we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and
> > were
> > > > historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go
> > many
> > > > places.By "chance to go many places" he means that while being expelled
> > > > from their homes by Zionist/Israeli forces in 1947-48, they were free
> > to
> > > > relocate in any Arab country they chose. If I were to mimic Gingrich's
> > > > style, I'd say that's a pro-FOUND-ly racist statement. Since these
> > people
> > > > are generic Arabs, why should it matter that someone else decides that
> > they
> > > > may no longer remain in Palestine where they and their families have
> > lived
> > > > and worked for a thousand or more years? (In the early twentieth
> > century,
> > > > incidentally, leading Zionist activists and scholars thought the
> > > > Palestinians Arabs were descendants of the ancient Hebrews.)
> > > > > We could as easily say:And I think that we've had an invented
> > > > Pennsylvanian people, who are in fact Americans, and were historically
> > part
> > > > of the American community. And they had a chance to go many
> > places.Even if
> > > > we concede, contrary to the evidence, that Palestinian consciousness
> > is a
> > > > rather late development, so what? It would not be the first time that
> > > > oppression of a group of people has forged group consciousness. Indeed,
> > > > Theodor Herzl, the founder of the Zionist movement, was an assimilated
> > Jew
> > > > in Austria until the trial ofAlfred Dreyfusin France. Herzl's response
> > to
> > > > that spectacle was to say, in effect: It's the anti-Semites who make us
> > > > Jews.
> > > > > In other words, Gingrich makes no sense when he suggests, as he did
> > at
> > > > theDecember 10 debate, that since the Arabs of Palestine didn't call
> > > > themselves Palestinians until the 1970s, their uprooting from the land
> > was
> > > > perfectly okay. How does that follow?
> > > > > On the particular historical question of Palestinian
> > > > consciousness,Wikipediais instructive. Also see Jeremy Sapienza'sblog
> > > > poston the subject. And here's something Gingrich might want to
> > ponder: the
> > > > dialect known asPalestinian Arabic. The invented people have their own
> > > > language!
> > > > > Here's what theEncyclopedia Brittanicahas to say:Although the Arabs
> > of
> > > > Palestine had been creating and developing a Palestinian identity for
> > about
> > > > 200 years, the idea that Palestinians form a distinct people is
> > relatively
> > > > recent. The Arabs living in Palestine had never had a separate state.
> > Until
> > > > the establishment of Israel, the term Palestinian was used by Jews and
> > > > foreigners to describe the inhabitants of Palestine and had only begun
> > to
> > > > be used by the Arabs themselves at the turn of the 20th century; at the
> > > > same time, most saw themselves as part of the larger Arab or Muslim
> > > > community. The Arabs of Palestine began widely using the term
> > Palestinian
> > > > starting in the pre-World War I period to indicate the nationalist
> > concept
> > > > of a Palestinian people. But after 1948and even more so after 1967for
> > > > Palestinians themselves the term came to signify not only a place of
> > origin
> > > > but, more importantly, a sense of a shared past and future in the form
> > of a
> > > > Palestinian state. [Emphasis added.]Not to pile on, but in 1921 -- more
> > > > than 50 years before the Palestinian people were supposedly invented --
> > > > something called theSyrian-Palestinian Congressmet "to influence the
> > terms
> > > > of the proposed League of Nations mandate over the region." The word
> > > > Palestine (or a form of it) goes back toancient times.
> > > > > As theWashington Post's fact-checkerput it:But Gingrich's claim that
> > > > "Palestinian" did not become a common term until 1977 is bizarre. The
> > very
> > > > [1921] League of Nations mandate that he mentions was called "The
> > British
> > > > Mandate for Palestine." The text of the declaration mentions the word
> > > > "Palestine" 45 times and "Palestinian" twice.Speaking of inventing
> > people,
> > > > Gingrich might pick up Shlomo Sand's excellent book,The Invention of
> > the
> > > > Jewish People. Sand, a professor history at Tel Aviv University, shows
> > that
> > > > most national groups were essentially invented.
> > > > > SeeRichard Silverstein's excellent commentary.
> > > > > Here's the video of Gingrich's balderdash.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dHWJWJocD6ATho...was a "land without a people" before Israel, should
> > > > watch this video.
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JGBoGKPZlQEhtt.
> > ..
>
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