Your man made his case against "Preventative War" last night in the debate. I imagine we will see the results of Dr. Paul on the next round of poll numbers, but I would bet a dollar and a beer that Paul does not win Iowa, after last night. A bet I would not have made earlier yesterday.
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:44 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
don't think you know what a NeoCon is. I really don't.---
educate yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
you will see 3 main points:
- the promotion of democracy at the end of a gun
- interventionism and control of other nations
- jewish influenced for israel's sake
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please state (at your convenience!) what specifically you
oppose about "NeoCon" policy
all of the above
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
On Dec 14, 1:40 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PlainOl';
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> I don't think you know what a NeoCon is. I really don't.
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> Moreover, please state (at your convenience!) what specifically you
> oppose about "NeoCon" policy. Be careful! Pop quiz coming.....
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> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:05 PM, plainolamerican
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dHWJWJocD6ATho...think Palestine was a "land without a people" before Israel, should>
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> > Newt is just another neocon. Neocons control the xians and jews who
> > hate the muzzies and those against interventionism in the middle east.
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> > know the enemy
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> > On Dec 14, 9:56 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > Sunday, December 11, 2011Newt Gingrich: Demagogue,
> > PseudointellectualPosted by Sheldon Richman at6:59 AMUpdated December
> > 12Newt Gingrich says the Palestinian people were invented. That's very
> > funny coming from a man who has reinvented himself a few times in his life.
> > We didn't need more evidence of Gingrich's status as a rank demagogue and
> > pseudointellectual, but he's furnished it anyway.
> > > Gingrich, in his typically arrogant manner, says this:And I think that
> > we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were
> > historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many
> > places.By "chance to go many places" he means that while being expelled
> > from their homes by Zionist/Israeli forces in 1947-48, they were free to
> > relocate in any Arab country they chose. If I were to mimic Gingrich's
> > style, I'd say that's a pro-FOUND-ly racist statement. Since these people
> > are generic Arabs, why should it matter that someone else decides that they
> > may no longer remain in Palestine where they and their families have lived
> > and worked for a thousand or more years? (In the early twentieth century,
> > incidentally, leading Zionist activists and scholars thought the
> > Palestinians Arabs were descendants of the ancient Hebrews.)
> > > We could as easily say:And I think that we've had an invented
> > Pennsylvanian people, who are in fact Americans, and were historically part
> > of the American community. And they had a chance to go many places.Even if
> > we concede, contrary to the evidence, that Palestinian consciousness is a
> > rather late development, so what? It would not be the first time that
> > oppression of a group of people has forged group consciousness. Indeed,
> > Theodor Herzl, the founder of the Zionist movement, was an assimilated Jew
> > in Austria until the trial ofAlfred Dreyfusin France. Herzl's response to
> > that spectacle was to say, in effect: It's the anti-Semites who make us
> > Jews.
> > > In other words, Gingrich makes no sense when he suggests, as he did at
> > theDecember 10 debate, that since the Arabs of Palestine didn't call
> > themselves Palestinians until the 1970s, their uprooting from the land was
> > perfectly okay. How does that follow?
> > > On the particular historical question of Palestinian
> > consciousness,Wikipediais instructive. Also see Jeremy Sapienza'sblog
> > poston the subject. And here's something Gingrich might want to ponder: the
> > dialect known asPalestinian Arabic. The invented people have their own
> > language!
> > > Here's what theEncyclopedia Brittanicahas to say:Although the Arabs of
> > Palestine had been creating and developing a Palestinian identity for about
> > 200 years, the idea that Palestinians form a distinct people is relatively
> > recent. The Arabs living in Palestine had never had a separate state. Until
> > the establishment of Israel, the term Palestinian was used by Jews and
> > foreigners to describe the inhabitants of Palestine and had only begun to
> > be used by the Arabs themselves at the turn of the 20th century; at the
> > same time, most saw themselves as part of the larger Arab or Muslim
> > community. The Arabs of Palestine began widely using the term Palestinian
> > starting in the pre-World War I period to indicate the nationalist concept
> > of a Palestinian people. But after 1948and even more so after 1967for
> > Palestinians themselves the term came to signify not only a place of origin
> > but, more importantly, a sense of a shared past and future in the form of a
> > Palestinian state. [Emphasis added.]Not to pile on, but in 1921 -- more
> > than 50 years before the Palestinian people were supposedly invented --
> > something called theSyrian-Palestinian Congressmet "to influence the terms
> > of the proposed League of Nations mandate over the region." The word
> > Palestine (or a form of it) goes back toancient times.
> > > As theWashington Post's fact-checkerput it:But Gingrich's claim that
> > "Palestinian" did not become a common term until 1977 is bizarre. The very
> > [1921] League of Nations mandate that he mentions was called "The British
> > Mandate for Palestine." The text of the declaration mentions the word
> > "Palestine" 45 times and "Palestinian" twice.Speaking of inventing people,
> > Gingrich might pick up Shlomo Sand's excellent book,The Invention of the
> > Jewish People. Sand, a professor history at Tel Aviv University, shows that
> > most national groups were essentially invented.
> > > SeeRichard Silverstein's excellent commentary.
> > > Here's the video of Gingrich's balderdash.
> > watch this video.
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JGBoGKPZlQEhtt...
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