and thinking that the next crisis after Hitler will be the USA. You
guys should think before you start typing on your keyboards.
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:25 PM,
<politicalforum+noreply@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Today's Topic Summary
>
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/topics
>
> Why do the Dutch have better skimmers than the US? [6 Updates]
> Obama stops clean up to create bigger disaster [4 Updates]
> I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan [1 Update]
> Dutch skimmers on the job [6 Updates]
> The Government Cannot Protect Us From Every Catastrophe We Face [2 Updates]
> Obama: 'To rebuild America's economy, rebuild America' [3 Updates]
> This one is a can't make this stuff up - the Coast Guard looks stupid here
> [3 Updates]
>
> Topic: Why do the Dutch have better skimmers than the US?
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 11:39AM -0700 ^
>
> socialism?
>
>
>
> bruce majors <bruce.majors@gmail.com> Jun 18 02:43PM -0400 ^
>
> sheeple eating her own patties now
>
> are the Dutch skimmers state owned?
>
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 11:50AM -0700 ^
>
> Yes.
>
>
>
>
> bruce majors <bruce.majors@gmail.com> Jun 18 02:59PM -0400 ^
>
> poor dumb pattie
>
> too stupid to even talk to
>
> if the Dutch government had forced Dutch taxpayers to invest in excess
> skimmers it just has sitting around that would instead show that socialism
> doesn't work
>
> if you were literate you would be able to read about the "calculation
> debate" in the early 20th century that demonstrated that central planners
> always make such Pharonic malinvestments as they have no market price
> signals to guide them
>
> as it turns out, the skimmers belong to a private company
>
> *Royal Dutch Shell*
> plc<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_limited_company>,
> commonly known simply as *Shell*, is a
> multinational<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_corporation>
> petroleum company <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_company> of
> Dutch<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands>
> and British <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> origins. One of
> the six "supermajors <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajor>" (vertically
> integrated <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_integration> private
> sector <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sector> oil
> exploration<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_exploration>
> , natural gas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas>, and
> petroleum<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum> product
> marketing companies), Shell was listed as the world's eighth largest
> corporation for 2010 by
> Forbes.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell#cite_note-1>
> The
> company's headquarters are in The
> Hague<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague>
> , Netherlands
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands>,[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell#cite_note-Shell_International_B.V-2>
> with
> its registered office at the Shell
> Centre<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Centre>
> inLondon <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London>, United
> Kingdom<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>
> .[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell#cite_note-Shell_International_B.V-2>
>
> Shell operates in over 140 countries. In the United
> States<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>,
> the Shell Oil Company <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company>
> subsidiary,
> headquartered in Houston <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston>,
> Texas<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas>,
> is one of its largest businesses.
>
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 12:18PM -0700 ^
>
> the government owns the cleanup equipment, including the skimmers now
> being deployed in the Gulf.
>
>
>
>
> bruce majors <bruce.majors@gmail.com> Jun 18 03:22PM -0400 ^
>
> so the Dutch state owns skimmers it forced Dutch taxpayers to pay for, even
> though Shell owns its own, and having no use for them it offers them to
> Obama
>
> you seem to have provided no link to show that they are state owned
>
> my google still shows that Shell owns skimmers, which the Dutch government
> offered
>
> you don't seem to be able to think abstractly or provide references
>
> so our assessment of you is unchanged
>
>
>
>
> Topic: Obama stops clean up to create bigger disaster
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:12PM -0400 ^
>
> Define unsafe - without regard to what the congress says is unsafe.
> BTW did you realize that the Democratic Congress passed the OSHA bills
> back in the day. Guess who did not have to abide by them. The
> Congress!! So the rest of us had to put up with the OSHA requirements
> but those who worked for Congress did not. Guess the Congress didn't
> believe their own laws then. I would bet the same is true now. You
> can bet that if a coast guard vessel is in trouble and all the CG ships
> do not have the required safety equipment, the CG still goes out.
> They shouldn't because it would not be safe for them.\
>
> Boy are you ever easy!!
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:07AM -0700 ^
>
> Define unsafe
> ----------
> the ships were inspected and grounded because they did not have the
> proper fire-fighting and life-saving equipment. They were therefore,
> unsafe.
>
>
>
>
> frankg <frankg2@gmail.com> Jun 18 12:05PM -0700 ^
>
> This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire
> extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and
> allow the house to burn down? The barges should have been allowed to
> continue to do their thing while inspections and/or corrections were
> made in parallel.
>
> This is just as foolish as the Obama Administration refusing the offer
> from the Dutch to bring in their skimmers because the skimmers are not
> 100% efficient at removing the oil from the water and so could return
> water to the gulf that still contains a tiny amount of oil.
>
> If all of these systems had been put in place immediately the
> environmental disaster would be but a fraction of what we currently
> have. Attempting to defend the USCG or EPA for these decisions is
> impossible. To bad we don't still have Bush in office -- at least then
> no one would be attempting to smooth all this mismanagement over as
> acceptable and proper.
>
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 12:20PM -0700 ^
>
> This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire
> extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and
> allow the house to burn down
> ----------
> if it is an ongoing process, and one of the firetrucks could cause a
> life to be lost because of safety considerations, it would be taken
> out of service until it was safe. Life is more important than
> property.
>
>
>
>
> Topic: I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan
>
> bruce majors <bruce.majors@gmail.com> Jun 18 02:44PM -0400 ^
>
> [image: dove kyrgyz]
>
> During this past month, ethnic violence between Uzbeks and Kyrgyz has
> shook the small country of Kyrgyzstan in central Asia, resulting in over 200
> dead and 120,000 displaced. Throughout the chaos Kyrgyz libertarians led a
> series of coordinated voluntary efforts to provide emergency aid to the
> victims of the vicious attacks and to promote peace throughout the nation
> and the region. Atlas's Tom Palmer has been in regular touch with our
> friends there, and on Tuesday evening he talked to Central Asian Free Market
> Institute<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT_o3pbb3XCRj6ugumGIpbRTFKFCl3iin8SR1zMN9sJW-WxlKKym_OSLdeVEJh2g8brLYN308KvXUL9po8uASF6L2gO4OSkfo5441yBKhkRDdQ==>
> (CAFMI)
> Director Mirsulzhan Namazaliev by Skype, as he was interrupted by a stream
> of volunteers working late into the night in the CAFMI offices. He made
> their resolution clear:
>
> *"We are helping those who are suffering, but we are doing more. For me
> personally this is not only a fight for life. It is a fight for freedom.
> We don't want to be ruled by any authoritarian Central Asian or Russian
> regimes that would exploit this awful violence. The violence we are
> suffering is a provocation designed to generate chaos and to overturn the
> chance for a constitutional regime. We will not stand for it. We want
> peace, we want freedom, and we want a lawful government."*
>
>
> [image: Gulmira Aidaralieva]Palmer was in Kyrgyzstan just last month to work
> with CAFMI and with the new acting minister of economic development, Emil
> Umetaliev, a founding member of CAFMI's board of directors. The CAFMI team
> includes two Atlas Think Tank
> MBA<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT93K44KWVG4S_WyDcQAqh-WMjL9acya4GXoU3qqEBxPVo9z4-CxeVdGpOepdOutyYU9oOeGaRqDBWKbQldiumG5suA6hOnRspGVW7uuPX4FQNirR_huAZmsBMkDBk0yn9o=>graduates
> - co-founder and director, Mirsulzhan Namazaliev, and operations
> manager Gulmira Aidaralieva. There was guarded optimism about the country's
> future, after the corrupt and increasingly authoritarian regime of Kurmanbek
> Bakiyev was ousted in an uprising after he tried to suppress demonstrations
> with deadly force. But there was also fear of Bakiyev's machinations,
> especially after the revelation of a recorded cell phone conversation
> between his son, Maksim, and his brother Janybek (who had given the orders
> to shoot protesters in April), in which they clearly plot violence to derail
> a new constitutional process and regain power, even proposing how many
> "fighters" to hire, arming them with iron bars and other implements, and how
> much to pay them to launch attacks. The recording was chilling. And with the
> money they looted from the country, they found the thugs to launch attacks
> on both Uzbek and Kyrgyz villages, in order to spark revenge attacks. Their
> plans bore fruit this month, as hundreds were murdered, homes and businesses
> were burned, and 120,000 people were made refugees.
>
>
> As Namazaliev remarked, "We will not stand for it."
>
>
> [image: cafmi web]CAFMI's staff and volunteers are almost all under the age
> of 25. Few have backgrounds in defense or security. But they immediately put
> the talents they do have to work. CAFMI volunteers worked with others to
> solicit, gather, and deliver humanitarian assistance for the thousands of
> people - mainly mothers and children - who had been driven from their homes,
> and to create a message of communal peace - of Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Russians,
> Uighurs, Tajiks and others who were standing together for peace and against
> murder and hatred. They called together teams of computer experts,
> technological wizards, social networkers, and activists to build an umbrella
> coalition:
>
> "I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan" -"Мен Қирғизистонда тинчлик бўлишини
> истайман!" in Uzbek, "Мен Кыргызстанга тынчтыкты каалайм!" in Kyrgyz, and "Я
> хочу мира в Кыргызстане!" in Russian.
>
> *The "I Want Peace in Kyrgyzstan" campaign has five coordinated elements:*
>
> 1. Use cell phones, databases, and the internet to organize volunteers
> effectively and to create and disseminate maps (using Google Maps and other
> techniques) to guide deliveries of aid to victims and to help people to
> avoid areas in turmoil, burning buildings, and road blocks and ambushes set
> up by thugs.
>
> 2. Create a modern campaign for peace in three languages (Kyrygz, Uzbek, and
> Russian) - with a brand, a logo, street graffiti, slogans, t-shirts,
> stickers, leaflets, hand-written letters from children, radio interviews and
> public announcements, text messages, and other means to calm tensions and
> promote peace. Representatives of the various ethnic groups appear together
> to pledge peace and to build the rule of law and freedom together.
>
> 3. Combat disinformation and misinformation that might fuel ethnic hatred
> and violence, and respond rapidly to malicious rumors and hate campaigns
> before they bear their evil fruit.
>
> 4. Contain the spread of reprisals and hatred throughout Central Asia, by
> providing reliable information to media, helping to combat ethnic smears and
> suppress revenge attacks against minorities in other countries, and quickly
> rebutting calls in nearby countries for military intervention into
> Kyrgyzstan, which carries the very real danger of regional war.
>
> 5. Create a "Peace Room" (not a "War Room") in CAFMI's Bishkek offices to be
> open 24 hours a day to coordinate the collection and dissemination of
> information. Volunteers in the Peace Room utilize cell phones, social
> networking sites, twitter, text messages, phone trees, and monitor mass
> media constantly. The CAFMI office is now fully staffed with volunteers and
> working around the clock.
>
> The young volunteers and staff of CAFMI are donating their time, risking
> their lives, and contributing their scarce resources, in a country with a
> per-capita income of about $2,100. If you'd like to stand with a group of
> very brave, very determined, and very committed libertarians you can send a
> tax-deductible donation to the Central Asian Free Market Institute (CAFMI)
> through
> Atlas<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT9aUCH-5BgE0-o3dCNo8pRcI0UwEa7SuLj5AVEZZoryBCc8yQp5ccaxpLFHOHfkEy7-_Sp-abrs89X2X-reWAmJMDaT6OGxCEt66XNcUKD5YRE3yOJ7ySgvf9Wuydh9Ax0=>,
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> Erin.Grant@AtlasNetwork.org <erin.grant@atlasnetwork.org> and 100% of your
> donation will be dedicated to CAFMI's work in Central Asia. Donations of
> all sizes are welcome.
>
> It would be a decision you would not regret. (You can follow CAFMI's work
> on its Facebook page
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> Namazaliev writes in Russian and in English on
> NewEurasia.net<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT-3ephB9FnnbLHhBckVHJ30y_hzAa6j9Dlyrn03BZT1Hfpg1dLHWIJXIDJygwC3jfmPrcoXKXcit_GVSlDq_bWiz88XtaemBANjsmHvO8Jz5AtdEdLLTIHeXhVF16qvdbqLwB1PgZJUVHszH8d99c5k>,
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> and other media. He covered the April uprising against Bakiyev's
> authoritarian regime in *The
> Independent*<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103490224192&s=8345&e=001EORrO3RIzT8QUbbaa2M59FQJJ4bt3nn84ZkpfoiYajOjsVdGd7hFsvW1repdKc4p0dA34xXPApUyu0QCD0mth3B88-z7Rtj48-SQzcw5CYuY8UMjIbg7We7wPhgaDFJft8so0Pz4X2MXkIVVd-MQ3jUVqP3NQ5PS4hTqrcr85vzX5f27Ck2vyhdxOl0EN0fpYSem57BipExJTDOtv2l4xT6cVw1VjtPhdN18ob6N1k8mfukT1VkYUw==>
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> was quoted frequently by
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>
> Topic: Dutch skimmers on the job
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:15PM -0400 ^
>
> And if Zero had not fluffed them off when they first offered weeks ago
> they would have been here all this time. Thank you, Zero. What a
> guy!! My Hero!! or maybe not.
>
> Has your Messiah yet told us why he turned down the 13 countries who
> offered to help out on this mess? Just think. If he had accepted
> their help then we may not have had all this problem. But he is so
> intelligent - or at least that is what we are told. Unfortunately he
> keeps showing us how false that is. You betcha!!
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:08AM -0700 ^
>
> Sounds like "a surge" doesn't it?
>
>
>
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:34PM -0400 ^
>
> Sounds like a fuckup by the administration but we should be used to
> that. That is the MO of this administration.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:29AM -0700 ^
>
> Would you rather we sent them back?
>
>
>
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 02:23PM -0400 ^
>
> I would rather he had accepted the assistance back when they would have
> maybe stopped the mess before it got this bad but Bambi was not smart
> enough to do that.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 11:37AM -0700 ^
>
> skimmers won't plug the leak or "stop this mess." But they will help
> in the clean up.
>
>
>
>
> Topic: The Government Cannot Protect Us From Every Catastrophe We Face
>
> "M. Johnson" <michaelj@america.net> Jun 18 01:36PM -0400 ^
>
> So, the government that foolishly limited BP's maximum liability, the
> government that claimed it knew where best to drill, the government that
> actually stopped locals from protecting their own shoreline that would be
> that same government that bankrupted Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
> the Post Office, Amtrak and virtually everything it has managed now wants to
> decide who gets BP's cash.
>
> The Government Cannot Protect Us From Every Catastrophe We Face
>
> Wednesday, June 16, 2010
>
> By Judge Andrew Napolitano
>
> Tuesday night, in an Oval Office speech to the nation, President Obama took
> the gloves off.
>
> He lashed out at BP over the monumental oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. He
> vowed that he will make BP pay for all the long and short-term damage it
> caused. He argued that the battle against this now nearly two-month-old
> raging gusher of oil is tantamount to a war. And he asked the country to
> allow him and the Congress to regulate all businesses and private homes in
> the name of going green.
>
> For most Americans, it was the first time they saw him angry although a
> controlled anger from the no-drama-Obama, as his own campaign staff labeled
> him two years ago. But will the president's feigned anger get the oil well
> plugged? Will it get cash into the hands of those truly harmed? Will it
> prevent future disasters?
>
> No, no and no.
>
> Here are the facts: After the Exxon Valdez disaster off Alaska in 1989 had
> been cleaned up and nearly paid for by Exxon, the oil companies lobbied the
> Congress for liability limits maximum amounts that they could be held to pay
> for in the event of a disaster.
>
> A Republican Congress and President Clinton together made it the law that
> oil companies would be limited to pay $75 million for cleanups and the
> taxpayers that would be you would pay the rest. In return, the feds would be
> able to tell the oil companies where to drill.
>
> In the case of BP, it asked the state of Louisiana if it could drill in 500
> feet of water and Louisiana said it could. The federal government vetoed
> that and told BP could only drill in 5,000 feet of water.
>
> Never mind that no oil company had ever cleaned up a broken well at that
> depth and never mind that the feds had never monitored a broken well at that
> depth and never mind that BP only needed to set aside $75 million in case
> something went wrong. The feds trumped BP's engineers and the feds trumped
> the wishes of the folks who live along the Gulf Coast and the feds decided
> where this oil well would be drilled.
>
> Disaster struck. The feds did nothing. Oil gushed out in an amount that is
> so great as to be immeasurable. Political pressure grew.
>
> The president eventually panicked because he believes that his federal
> government can right every wrong, regulate every activity and protect us
> from every catastrophe. He is wrong. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal was
> ready to build barriers to protect his state's coastline and the feds said
> no.
>
> The president even invoked powers that allow him to supervise the cleanup
> using BP personnel and equipment. And the oil still gushes. Last week, the
> president stopped all oil drilling in the Gulf putting thousands out of
> work. Last night he demanded billions from BP so his team could decide who
> gets it and today a terrified BP gave him all the cash he asked for.
>
> So, the government that foolishly limited BP's maximum liability, the
> government that claimed it knew where best to drill, the government that
> actually stopped locals from protecting their own shoreline that would be
> that same government that bankrupted Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
> the Post Office, Amtrak and virtually everything it has managed now wants to
> decide who gets BP's cash.
>
> The last time this government had this much private cash to give away,
> during the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies, it disregarded well-settled law and
> gave it to the labor unions. To whom will it give this cash the innocent
> injured or its political friends?
>
> The government cannot protect us from every catastrophe, especially ones its
> rules have facilitated. How about this: That government is best which
> governs least.
>
> The people have a right to a government that obeys the laws of economics,
> the laws of physics and the Constitution. Let private enterprise do what it
> does best and keep politics out of the way.
>
> If the Constitution was written to keep the government off the people's
> backs, it is time for the feds to get off.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594783,00.html
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:47AM -0700 ^
>
> bp - so mistreated. What did they do, anyway? Spill a little oil? poor
> babies.
>
>
>
>
> Topic: Obama: 'To rebuild America's economy, rebuild America'
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:27PM -0400 ^
>
> Unfortunately he has done nothing but invest unwisely. What has he
> accomplished thus far. His jobs program - bit fail. His stimulus -
> big fail. His tax program - big fail. His cash for clunkers - big
> fail. His cash for old appliances - big fail. His border protection
> program - big fail - in fact AZ had to pass their own law because Zero's
> activities were so disastrous. His healthcare - he had to bribe
> senators to get the damned thing passed and we already know that people
> are going to lose their insurance because of it - and doctors are
> retiring and moving into other professions because of the healthcare
> program. His savings on the budget is not working - we have trillions
> more debt because of his stupid additional entitlements programs. He is
> cutting Medicare which people have been paying for for 40+ years (I have
> paid in since it started and I have paid max social security for 45
> years and for 20 of them I paid double - employer and employee both) and
> he is cutting that as well. Now he wants to cut military pay and
> military health plans. We have a federal government that claimed that
> the returning military were terrorists. He has so far insulted every
> close friendly country we have and made nice to all our enemies. He
> finds somewhere else to be whenever there is a problem. Remember the
> ice storms last winter? Zero made campaign stops in all the states
> around the ones who lost power because of the ice storms but he never
> stopped in those states. He still has not shown up in Nashville after
> the flooding there.
>
> Boy, did you ever support a real loser there. Has he done anything
> right yet???? Love how he picks his cabinet and administration
> officials. Failed to pay your taxes? No problem. Bribe candidates
> not to run for office. Been there and done that. Shame the candidates
> told us about it.
>
> Oil spill and ecological disaster? Sorry, got to go to a fund raiser
> across the country instead and then we got a Beatle coming to the White
> House. Maybe I can work the disaster in after that. We'll see what
> comes up.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:30PM -0400 ^
>
> I would like to see what jobs he created. Is he including the census
> jobs in that. Are they government jobs? If so, then they are not an
> asset for the country; they are a liability that has to come out of tax
> funds. That should be a net loss. And if you depend on Joe Biden to
> tell you about job savings and creations, then for sure I would want to
> double check those numbers. Plugs ain't the brightest guy in town.
>
> BTW they told us already they had saved that many jobs and it turned out
> that when they did that there was still a net loss of jobs. Bet the
> same is true with this bunch of hooey.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:29AM -0700 ^
>
> Why do you hate America?
>
>
>
>
> Topic: This one is a can't make this stuff up - the Coast Guard looks
> stupid here
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:08PM -0400 ^
>
> I bet you put on your helmet and elbow pads and knee pads and goggles to
> walk to the store.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> Jun 18 01:09PM -0400 ^
>
> Who said they were not safe. They may not have had all the equipment
> the CG wanted them to have but that has nothing to do with whether they
> are safe or not.
>
> euwe wrote:
>
>
>
> euwe <machgielis@gmail.com> Jun 18 10:06AM -0700 ^
>
> Who said they were not safe.
> ------------
> The coast guard. The ships were inspected and grounded "because they
> did not have the proper fire-fighting and life-saving equipment."
>
>
>
>
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