Geesh.....Are you this so totally backward, or are you just so pissed off that Christians and Christianity was the founding precepts of the U.S., and you want to re-write history so bad you can taste it?
LOL! Pitiful PlainOl. Goofy too.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:56 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and----
tenets' might be.
let me go first ... !!!
first ... they think that the principles that were adopted were
christian principles, which in many cases is a faulty presumption.
Examples:
Religious freedom - Nothing unique to christians. Didn't the Romans
allow the jews to practice their religion?
Is that what the christians are offering muslims today in America?
Sovereign authority of God, not sovereignty of the state - Thousands
of government have given authority to a god.
They are demanding that non-believers submit to a mythical authority.
Sanctity of life - They are still trying to outlaw abortion, stem cell
research, suicide, etc.
All men are sinners - Pushing their mythical religious guilt onto
others. Very protestant.
All men created equal - christians, like jews and muzzies, don't
consider non-believers equal.
Judicial, legislative, and executive branches - Not unique to
christianity. Can still produce terrible decisions.
Church protected from state control (& taxation), but church to
influence the state. - Oh, like the religious state of israel? No
thanks.
Republican form of government and warnings against kings but in favor
of Godly rulers. - It's not the government job to promote those they
see as godly. Finding honest men is better than finding religious myth
believers.
Importance of governing self and family as first level of governance.
- Yet they endorse intervention in the middle east.
Fair trial with witnesses. - not unique to christianity nor cited in
decision.
Private property rights. - not uniquely christian
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Justice Brewer was the author of the unanimous opinion of the Court in
Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States (143 U.S. 457, 36 L.Ed.
226, 12 S. Ct. 511 February 29, 1892), which addressed a dispute over
an employment contract between an Anglican priest and the titular
church. Justice Brewer's statement in that opinion, "These, and many
other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial
declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a
Christian nation" is often incorrectly cited as part of the
controlling ruling in the matter, which is not the case. Indeed,
Justice Brewer's book, The United States: A Christian Nation,
published in 1905,contained the following passage:
But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian
nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion
or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the
contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall
make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all
its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the
contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of
our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...] Nor is
it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a
condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service,
or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact,
the government as a legal organization is independent of all
religions.
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:03 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:the German government of the 1920s enthusiastically supported andpromoted Barnes's views as exonerating their country, while thepostwar West German government accepted national responsibility forthe Holocaust, solicited forgiveness and paid reparations to Jewishsurvivors.On Aug 10, 10:03 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:> Ever read Harry Elmer Barnes?>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:>>>>>>>> > Here's a short video of one of the "Churches" in the heart of D.C.;> > worth a watch.....This should fit the bill of MJ's definition of> > "revisionist history":>> >http://stg.do/Iwpc>> > --> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum>> > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/>> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more.--Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum* Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/* It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.* Read the latest breaking news, and more.
On Aug 10, 1:20 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and tenets' might be.
> I am especially interested in primary source materials where <insert Founder> claims <book/chapter/verse> applies to <article/section/clause> and similar.
> The DoI, for instance, impugns the Divine Rights of Kings -- which is the biblically based Government.
> Regard$,
> --MJ
> The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses....
> -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" [1787-1788];At 01:58 PM 8/10/2012, you wrote:As much as you and your secularist friends hate to hear, it must really suck, to see the truth Plain Ol.....That this Nation was, and still is founded upon Christian principles and tenets. No matter whether you like it, or don't like it, this, is your heritage.
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