Dear plainol...: You seem to be "arguing" with yourself. No one has
ever claimed that "Free Speech" requires anyone to speak up! — John
A. Armistead —
On Sep 15, 9:57 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, there are no unalienable rights?
> ---
> no - they are perceived.
> You use the words 'unalienable rights' like an entitlement.
>
> That a "right" to man's free thought; the exercise of speech is a
> fiction?
> ---
> we all want 'rights' (i.e. free speech) but they're not always
> 'available.'
> you choose to remain silent or not.
>
> On Sep 14, 5:11 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > So, there are no unalienable rights? That a "right" to man's free
> > thought; the exercise of speech is a fiction?
>
> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:54 PM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > wrote:
> > > they don't exist except in the mind of the relgious
>
> > > On Sep 13, 3:25 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Again, I ask you, where do they come from?
>
> > > > You've yet to answer.
>
> > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:54 PM, plainolamerican
> > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > Unalienable rights come from the moral consensus of
> > > > > the People.
> > > > > ---
> > > > > religious people
>
> > > > > On Sep 12, 6:02 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Sep 10, 1:26 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:>
> > > > > All unalienable rights are from God.
>
> > > > > > No, plainol...: Unalienable rights come from the moral consensus of
> > > > > > the People. But such sounds more immutable, if the language refers
> > > to
> > > > > > 'God', or "Mother Nature', or more correctly, to all of the natural
> > > > > > laws of the Universe. — J. A. A. —> ---
>
> > > > > > > speculation noted
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 10, 11:18 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Hello John,
>
> > > > > > > > Although it was difficult to get through that long winded
> > > > > disortation,
> > > > > > > > (reminds me of someone who graduated from Clemson!) and I agree
> > > > > that the
> > > > > > > > Obama Administration has by executive order installed
> > > > > unconstitutional,
> > > > > > > > communistic mandates upon "We, The People"; I am at a loss as
> > > to
> > > > > how you
> > > > > > > > believe that our two party system is unconstitutional.
>
> > > > > > > > Far from it.
>
> > > > > > > > There is nothing in the Constitution, (or maybe you can point
> > > out
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Article and paragraph for us?) that restricts the association of
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > > minded politically thinking individuals from forming
> > > associations or
> > > > > groups
> > > > > > > > to further their political cause.
>
> > > > > > > > I also take exception to your notion that the "weak govern the
> > > > > strong".
> > > > > > > > Examples please. With regard to bias within the law.....Yes.
> > > It's
> > > > > true,
> > > > > > > > and has been since the beginning of recorded history. The United
> > > > > States is
> > > > > > > > no exception, and I can cite numerous instances within our 235
> > > year
> > > > > > > > history, beginning with the "Shea's Rebellion" of bias
> > > contained
> > > > > within
> > > > > > > > the law. To some degree, it is these "biases" that you refer
> > > to,
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > shape and form our "culture" and our "morals".
>
> > > > > > > > All unalienable rights are from God, not government and they
> > > cannot
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > stripped by government, unless one "volunteers" to waive his
> > > God
> > > > > given
> > > > > > > > unalienable right.
>
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:46 PM, NoEinstein <
> > > > > noeinst...@bellsouth.net>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Yes, Studio, but "the two major political parties" are 100%
> > > > > > > > > UNCONSTITUTIONAL under our present Constitution! The USA
> > > isn't a
> > > > > > > > > democracy, but is supposed to be (but never has been) a
> > > > > Representative
> > > > > > > > > Republic. The Founding Fathers were totally committed to the
> > > > > > > > > principle that the PEOPLE control government. Nowhere in the
> > > > > > > > > Constitution is it sanctioned to allow political parties to
> > > > > substitute
> > > > > > > > > biased group power for the "close to a Democracy" power of the
> > > > > voters
> > > > > > > > > on election day. Yes, there were Whigs and Tories in the 18th
> > > > > > > > > century. But those were mechanisms for government control far
> > > > > > > > > different from a Representative Republic! Note: That
> > > treasonous
> > > > > > > > > BASTARD in the White House, Barack H. Obama, still supposes
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > USA is "our great Democracy", while he acts as our
> > > > > communist-socialist
> > > > > > > > > dictator. As numbers of you have pointed out a year or two
> > > ago,
> > > > > > > > > Democracies—if that's the only stipulated 'control' of
> > > > > government—will
> > > > > > > > > allow the weak to control the strong. And that isn't just if
> > > it is
> > > > > > > > > like: two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for supper.
> > > Having
> > > > > > > > > controls in the Constitution that mandate justice and fairness
> > > will
> > > > > > > > > allow the voters to decide controversial issues WITHIN the
> > > bounds
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > justice and fairness. No biased group gets to define justice
> > > and
> > > > > > > > > fairness so as to allow them to exploit others for their own
> > > > > selfish
> > > > > > > > > gain. The best route to saving the USA, as well as our entire
> > > > > > > > > socioeconomic system, is to strip all biased groups of power
> > > over
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > course of government. Once that happens, there won't be any
> > > more
> > > > > > > > > pressure to have governments become all things for all people,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > as we should know by now ( but Obama doesn't), doesn't work! —
> > > > > John
> > > > > > > > > A. Armistead —
>
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 6, 11:48 am, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 5:39 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Studio:
> > > > > > > > > > > Since both of those are issues of
> > > > > > > > > > > high controversy, the American People should be allowed to
> > > > > decide once
> > > > > > > > > > > and for all in direct referenda.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm in TOTAL agreement with that!
> > > > > > > > > > However, Republitards will remind you we live in a Republic,
> > > not
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > Democracy.
> > > > > > > > > > And neither of the 2 major parties actually want people to
> > > > > decide by
> > > > > > > > > > referendum.
>
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