Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Re: War Pig in a Poke

Plain Ol's hatred of anyone
that is a Republican
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I don't hate Ron Paul or similar republicans. In fact, I don't hate
any republican ... I just know better than to support the zionist
interventionist type republican.

Have a great trip and don't let the muzzies get ya!

On Jun 6, 8:03 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Morning Michael,  PlainOl' and all of the PF Group who might take the
> time to read this thread;
>
>  I'm running out of time here,  I am leaving back for Germany today, so I
> will be out of pocket probably for a couple of days,  and I know I have
> been hit or miss the last week or two....Just too much to do before I leave
> to go back to Europe (and I will probably be not only in Köln, but also in
> Zurich, London as well as going over to the Middle East on this
> trip....this one is going to be at least a three month trip) but I digress.
>
> I didn't start this thread,  nor did I even mean for this thread to get so
> focused on Newt Gingrich.  It was your comment that Gingrich was somehow
> flip flopping on Romney now that the Republican nomination is pretty much
> sealed, where I took issue.  Couple this with Plain Ol's hatred of anyone
> that is a Republican,  and yes,  I decided to point out several of the both
> of your foibles,  (fallacies, choose whichever word you want).
>
> Below, is just a few short articles that you may (or may not)  find
> interesting.....
>
> I'll be back,  everyone have  a great week/weekend!
>
> KeithInTampa (right now)
>
> ========
>
> January 31, 2012 12:00 A.M.
> *The Florida Smear Campaign:
> Mitt Romney's fraudulent attacks on Newt Gingrich.*
>
> By Thomas Sowell
>
> http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/289700/florida-smear-campaign-...
> #
>
> The Republican establishment is pulling out all the stops to try to keep
> Newt Gingrich from becoming the party's nominee for president of the United
> States — and some are not letting the facts get in their way.
>
> Among the claims going out through the mass media in Florida, on the eve of
> that state's primary election, is that Newt Gingrich "resigned in disgrace"
> as speaker of the House of Representatives as a result of unethical conduct
> involving the diversion of tax-exempt money. Mitt Romney is calling on
> Gingrich to release "all of the records" from the congressional
> investigation.
>
> But the *Wall Street Journal* of January 28, 2012, reported that these
> records — 1,280 pages of them — are already publicly available online.
> Although Speaker Gingrich decided not to take on the task of fighting the
> charge from his political enemies in 1997, the Internal Revenue Service
> conducted its own investigation which, two years later, exonerated Gingrich
> from the charges. His resignation was not due to those charges and occurred
> much later.
>
> Do the Romney camp and the Republican establishment not know this, a dozen
> years later? Or are they far less concerned with whether the charges will
> stand up than they are about smearing Gingrich on the eve of the Florida
> primaries?
>
> There are also charges made about what Congressman Gingrich said about
> Ronald Reagan on March 21, 1986. But this too is a matter of public
> record<http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/289700/florida-smear-campaign-...>,
> since his remarks are available in the Congressional Record of that date,
> so it is remarkable that there should be any controversy about it at this
> late date.
>
> On that date, Gingrich praised Reagan's grasp of the foreign-policy issues
> of the day but later questioned whether the way the actual policies of the
> Reagan administration were being carried out was likely to succeed.
> Gingrich was not alone in making this point, which such conservative
> stalwarts as George Will, Charles Krauthammer, and others made at the time.
>
> Since a column of my own back in the 1980s suggested that the
> administration's policies seemed to be to "speak loudly and carry a little
> stick," I can well understand the misgivings of others. But that is wholly
> different from saying that all who expressed misgivings were enemies of
> Ronald Reagan.
>
> One can of course lift things out of context. But if you want to read the
> whole context, simply go online and get the Congressional Record for March
> 21, 1986. Among the other places where the smears are exposed are the *Wall
> Street Journal* of January 29, Jeffrey Lord's article on the *American
> Spectator*'s blog of January 27, and an article by Heather Higgins on
> Ricochet.com of January 29.
>
> Unfortunately, there are likely to be far more people who will see the
> smears than will have time to get the facts. But, if nothing else, there
> needs to be some understanding of the reckless accusations that have become
> part of the all-out attempt to destroy Newt Gingrich, as so many other
> political figures have been destroyed, by non-stop smears in the media.
>
> Gingrich is by no means above criticism. He has been criticized in this
> column before over the years, including during the current primary season,
> and he will probably be criticized here again.
>
> But the poisonous practice of irresponsible smears is an issue that is
> bigger than Gingrich, Romney, or any other candidate of either party.
>
> There have long been reports of people who decline to be nominated for
> federal judicial appointments because that means going before the Senate
> Judiciary Committee to have lies about their past spread nationwide, and
> the good reputation built up over a lifetime destroyed by politicians who
> could not care less about the truth.
>
> The same practices may well have something to do with the public's
> dissatisfaction with the current crop of candidates in this year's
> primaries — and in previous years' primaries. Character assassination is
> just another form of voter fraud.
>
> There is no law against it, so it is up to the voters, not only in Florida
> but in other states, to punish it at the ballot box — the only place where
> punishment is likely to stop the practice.
> *— Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the
> Hoover<http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/289700/florida-smear-campaign-...>Institution.
> © 2012 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
> *
> **
> ========================
>
> An interesting viewpoint,  and one that does in fact shed some light on Dr.
> Paul's nasty campaign:
>
> http://ronpaulexposed.wordpress.com/
>
> I take Fact Check with a grain of salt,  because of their obvious bias
> against conservatives, and their obvious support for the Obama
> Administration.  Nevertheless, I think their analysis on Gingrich's
> "flips"  is close to accurate, albeit Fact Check goes into literally no
> detail as to how Gingrich "evolved" into supporting a number of issues (or
> being opposed to other issues)  that he once supported, or now supports:
>
> http://www.factcheck.org/2011/12/attacks-against-gingrich-how-accurate/
>
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72196.html
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:40 AM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > the best thing about Newt is that he is unelectable
>
> > On Jun 5, 9:52 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > the transgressions of Dr.
> > > Paul
> > > ---
> > > can't compare to the lies and deceit of Newt "The Hatchetman"
> > > Gingrich, who was having an affair while poking his finger at Clinton.
>
> > > yes ... he's a liar
>
> > > On Jun 5, 9:22 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Michael cites Moonbats,  who, in typical Moonbat fashion, distorts the
> > > > truth.
>
> > > > Plain Ol cites a few Romney supporters who literally lied, and somehow
> > this
> > > > makes Gingrich a liar.....
>
> > > > I've become bored with this.   You both forget the transgressions of
> > Dr.
> > > > Paul,  continuously voting against earmarks that he even submitted for
> > his
> > > > own district after he was assured that the measure would pass.
>
> > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:00 AM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > >    You mean those REPUBLICANS in the House and their spending? :)
> >  *Debt
> > > > > Up $1.59T Under GOP House -- More in 15 Months Than First 97
> > Congresses
> > > > > Combined* By Terence P. Jeffrey June 1, 2012
>
> >http://cnsnews.com/news/article/debt-159t-under-gop-house-more-15-mon...
> > > > > guess (without looking) is that spending is an 'upward' curve from
> > the
> > > > > outset (1789). There may be a blip or two 'downward', but the trend
> > must be
> > > > > 'upward'.
> > > > > *Do you have the Mr. Bill versus W numbers?
> > > > > *Republicans (establishment certainly, but their apparatchiks by
> > default)
> > > > > demonstrate that they, too, want to spend with impunity ... ONLY the
> > > > > recipients are slightly different.
>
> > > > > This is WHY Paul, for instance, has been impugned, cheated,
> > distorted,
> > > > > smeared, etc. (read the Ron Paul's GOP Battle Reveals Some Truths
> > piece).
>
> > > > > Regard$,
> > > > > --MJ
>
> > > > > The record of the 105th Congress, Republican controlled in both
> > houses, is
> > > > > an abomination. Spending is up. No major program or agency has been
> > > > > significantly cut, much less eliminated. The tax code is more
> > complex than
> > > > > ever, loaded down with new conservative social engineering
> > initiatives. The
> > > > > balanced-budget agreement is an excuse not to cut taxes and, with the
> > > > > 'surplus' an excuse to increase spending. The GOP has seemed intent
> > on
> > > > > federalizing every crime on the books, indifferent to the
> > Constitution's
> > > > > clear direction that crime is a state and local responsibility….The
> > federal
> > > > > government is a machine designed to increase its control over the
> > lives of
> > > > > average Americans. It is constantly probing here, pushing there, and
> > > > > generally increasing its control. Without a philosophically sound,
> > > > > constitutionally based political party opposing that process, it is
> > going
> > > > > to continue to do so with impunity. The philosophical leadership
> > vacuum at
> > > > > the top of the GOP should be a source of major concern to all
> > > > > freedom-loving Americans. -- Edward H. Crane
>
> > > > > At 09:41 AM 6/5/2012,
>
> ...
>
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