On Feb 15, 2:50 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No.
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> No. That depends upon your respective genders and the state in which
> you reside.
>
> Same answer as previous.
>
> Yes, but why would one want to if one loved someone of the same gender
> and wanted to marry that person?
>
> Your baited questions are both offensive and childish.
>
> On 2/15/11, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Tommy,
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> > I and every Gay person have exactly the same rights now. Yes or No ??
>
> > I do or don't have the right to marry my best friend and have him inherit my
> > wealth, come to my deathbed or file a joint tax return ??
>
> > And a gay man ??
>
> > We both have a right to marry any woman of our choice for whatever reason??
> > yes or No??
>
> > Answer the questions AS POSED.
>
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Please repeat the question. I did not see it.
>
> >> On 2/15/11, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > So exactly when are you going to answer my question, Tommy ???
>
> >> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:54 PM, dick thompson
> >> > <rhomp2...@earthlink.net>wrote:
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> >> >> Look at Alexander the Great and Roxanne.
>
> >> >> And stop trying to ride on the coattails of people that you do not know
> >> >> were gay or not.
>
> >> >> On 02/15/2011 01:21 PM, Tommy News wrote:
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> >> >>> Wrong again, Keithie. Way, way wrong. You are so misguided and blinded
> >> >>> by your homophobia that you cannot see either straight or gay.
>
> >> >>> Marriage equality most certainly and absolutely does NOT "redefine
> >> >>> marriage" as you and your fellow Reich wing homophobes keep shouting
> >> >>> ad nauseum.
> >> >>> Men have been marrying other Men and Women have been marrying other
> >> >>> Women for THOUSANDS of years.
>
> >> >>> Look at Alexander The Great and Hephaesteon.
>
> >> >>> Look at th Ancient Greeks.
>
> >> >>> Look at Sappho and her lesbian wife.
>
> >> >>> Look at Michelangelo and his male lovers.
>
> >> >>> Etc. Etc. Etc.
>
> >> >>> Marriage is a basic human right and an individual personal choice we
> >> >>> call upon the state and federal government to allow same-sex couples
> >> >>> to enter into civil marriages with all the state and federal rights,
> >> >>> responsibilities and protections that civil marriage provides
>
> >> >>> Get over it and learn the TRUTH.
>
> >> >>> Famous Homosexual Greek Couples
>
> >> >>> SOLON and PEISISTRATUS
> >> >>> The law giver was the erastes of the future tyrant, presumably around
> >> 590
> >> >>> BCE.
>
> >> >>> PEISISTRATUS and CHARMUS [3]
>
> >> >>> CHARITON and MELANIPPUS
> >> >>> The two lovers plotted against Phalaris around 560 BCE. They were
> >> >>> discovered and tortured to divulge accomplices, but remained silent.
> >> >>> The tyrant, impressed, set them free. Their valor and love were
> >> >>> celebrated in a Delphic oracle:
>
> >> >>> Blessed were Chariton and Melanippus: They showed mortals the way to a
> >> >>> friendship that was divine. [4]
>
> >> >>> Aristogeiton and Harmodius
>
> >> >>> THEOGNIS of MEGARA and CYRNUS
> >> >>> The poet, thought to have lived in the sixth c. BCE, addressed many of
> >> >>> his poems to his young beloved, using them to pass on his wisdom to
> >> >>> the boy. [5]
>
> >> >>> POLYCRATES and SMERDIES
> >> >>> The love of the tyrant of Samos for his Thracian favorite, some time
> >> >>> between 535 and 515, was recorded by the poet Anacreon. [6]
>
> >> >>> ARISTOGEITON and HARMODIUS
> >> >>> Heroic couple, later lionized by the Athenian democrats, whose 514 BCE
> >> >>> plot to assassinate Hippias in was credited with the overthrow of
> >> >>> tyranny in Athens.
>
> >> >>> PARMENIDES of ELEA and ZENO of ELEA
> >> >>> According to Plato, Zeno was "tall and fair to look upon" and was "in
> >> >>> the days of his youth . . . reported to have been beloved by
> >> >>> Parmenides." [7] This would have occurred around 475 BCE.
>
> >> >>> HIERO I of SYRACUSE and DAELOCHUS
> >> >>> Hiero, tyrant of Syracuse surrounded himself with pederastic
> >> >>> intellectuals and had a number of lovers. [8]
>
> >> >>> PHIDIAS and AGORACRITUS
> >> >>> The youth, both beloved and student of the sculptor, is also known for
> >> >>> his sculpture of Nemesis at Rhamnus. [9]
>
> >> >>> PHIDIAS and PANTARKES
> >> >>> Pantarkes, was an Elian youth and winner of the boys' wrestling match
> >> >>> at the 86th Olympics in 436 BCE. He modeled for one of the figures
> >> >>> sculpted in the throne of the Olympian Zeus, [10] and Phidias, to
> >> >>> honor him, carved "Kalos Pantarkes" into the god's little finger.
> >> >>> [11][12]
>
> >> >>> Socrates and Alcibiades
> >> >>> SOCRATES and ALCIBIADES
> >> >>> Each is said to have saved the life of the other in battle, and the
> >> >>> relationship, which took place around 435-430 was said to have been
> >> >>> chaste.
>
> >> >>> CRITIAS and EUTHYDEMOS
> >> >>> A relationship mocked by Socrates for the brutish physicality of
> >> >>> Critias' desire.
>
> >> >>> XENOPHON and CLINIAS
> >> >>> Of his eromenos, Xenophon said, "Now I look upon Clinias with more
> >> >>> pleasure than upon all the other beautiful things which are to be seen
> >> >>> among men; and I would rather be blind as to all the rest of the
> >> >>> world, than as to Clinias. And I am annoyed even with night and with
> >> >>> sleep, because then I do not see him; but I am very grateful to the
> >> >>> sun and to daylight, because they show Clinias to me." [13]
>
> >> >>> CALLIAS III and AUTOLYCUS
> >> >>> The relationship between the two, in 421 BCE, is touched upon in
> >> >>> Xenophon's Symposium, where Callias entertains both the boy and the
> >> >>> father. [14]
>
> >> >>> THEMISTOCLES and STESILAUS of CEOS
> >> >>> Around 420 BCE Themistocles competed for the boy's love with
> >> >>> Aristides. As Plutarch recounts, "... they were rivals for the
> >> >>> affection of the beautiful Stesilaus of Ceos, and were passionate
> >> >>> beyond all moderation." [15]
>
> >> >>> PYTHEAS and TEISIS
> >> >>> Pytheas, who was also the guardian of the youth, appointed to that
> >> >>> position by Teisis' father in his will, is held up as being an unwise
> >> >>> erastes, concerned with impressing his eromenos and as a result giving
> >> >>> him bad advice. [16]
>
> >> >>> ARCHEDEMUS and ALCIBIADES II
> >> >>> In his childhood, Alcibiades II, son of the famous general by the same
> >> >>> name, was notorious for frequenting the house of his erastes,
> >> >>> drinking, and reclining with him under a single cloak in sight of all.
> >> >>> [17]
>
> >> >>> ARCHEBIADES and ALCIBIADES II
> >> >>> After the death of the older Alcibiades, his old associate and
> >> >>> co-defendent in the desecration of the Eleusinian mysteries, became
> >> >>> the erastes of his son, then in his early teens, ransoming him from
> >> >>> imprisonment, a ransom the boy's father had refused to pay, out of
> >> >>> disgust with his own son. [18]
>
> >> >>> LYSANDER and AGESILAUS II
> >> >>> Lysander had been the eispnelas of Agesilaus and was instrumental in
> >> >>> the latter's rise to kingship, only to be spurned by him once he rose
> >> >>> to power in 399BCE.
>
> >> >>> ARCHIDAMUS and CLEONYMUS
> >> >>> Archidamus, son of Agesilaus II, is described by Xenophon to have been
> >> >>> in love with the handsome son of Sphodrias. The boy asked his
> >> >>> eispnelas to intervene with the king in favor of his father in a life
> >> >>> and death legal matter, promising that Archidamus would never be
> >> >>> ashamed to have befriended him. That proved to be so, as he was the
> >> >>> first Spartan to die at the battle of Leuctra. [19]
>
> >> >>> Hadrian Antinous
>
> >> >>> ARCHELAUS I of MACEDON and CRATERUS (or Crateuas)
> >> >>> The king of Macedon was assassinated in 399 BCE by this eromenos, upon
> >> >>> reneging on a promise to give the boy his daughter in marriage. [20]
>
> >> >>> AGESILAUS II and MEGABATES
> >> >>> By taking on the Perisan boy as beloved, the king of Sparta was
> >> >>> following Spartan law.
>
> >> >>> EPAMINONDAS and ASOPICHOS
> >> >>> A couple famed for their military prowess, such as in their victory at
> >> >>> Leuctra in 371 BCE.
>
> >> >>> DEMOSTHENES and CNOSION
> >> >>> After the orator took in his young beloved, his wife is said to have
> >> >>> bedded the boy in a fit of jealousy, [21] though Aeschines claims that
> >> >>> it was Demosthenes who put his own wife in bed with the youth so as to
> >> >>> get children by him. [22]
>
> >> >>> DEMOSTHENES and ARISTARCHUS
> >> >>> Much of what is known about this relationship comes from the speeches
> >> >>> of Demosthenes' enemy, Aeschines. He accuses Demosthenes of having
> >> >>> been such a bad erastes to Aristarchus so as not even to deserve the
> >> >>> name. Among his alleged crimes are his complicity in Aristarchus'
> >> >>> murder of Nicodemus of Aphidna, whose eyes and tongue were gouged out.
> >> >>> This murder took place while the youth was under Demosthenes'
> >> >>> tutelage. [23] Another misdeed of Demosthenes, the one allegedly
> >> >>> disqualifying him from calling himself an erastes, is his pillaging of
> >> >>> Aristarchus' estate. He is alleged to have pretended being in love
> >> >>> with the youth so as to get his hands on the boy's inheritance, which
> >> >>> he is said to have squandered and from which he is said to have taken
> >> >>> three talents upon Aristarchus' fleeing into exile so as to avoid a
> >> >>> trial. [24]
>
> >> >>> DEMOSTHENES and ARISTION
> >> >>> Again, according to Aeschines, Demosthenes had the handsome youth in
> >> >>> his house, engaged in unspeakable behavior: There is a certain
> >> >>> Aristion, a Plataean..., who as a youth was oustandingly good-looking
> >> >>> and lived for a long time in Demosthenes' house. Allegations about the
> >> >>> part he was playing ('undergoing or doing what') there vary, and it
> >> >>> would be most unseemly for me to talk about it. [25]
>
> >> >>> PHILIP II of MACEDON and PAUSANIAS
> >> >>> In 336 BCE Pausanias killed Philip out of jealousy over another lover.
>
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