Re: What Immigration Problem?

Let me ask you a couple of questions if I may:
 
Who do you think the term, "ourselves and our posterity"  refer to?

Really? One of the GOALS sought by instituting and following the Constitution somehow means something else? Really?

 

I agree with you, that the term, "The People"  sounds all encompassing....So, would the First Amendment, Second Amendment, Third Amendment, Fourth Amendment, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eight Amendments, all of which reference  "[t]he People"  (or are non-specific)  apply to say,  folks in China, or Iran? 

AGAIN, People refers to ANYONE the Government created by the Constitution is 'interacting' within its jurisdiction.
OBVIOUSLY the US Government has no power, authority nor jurisdiction in the sovereign Nations of China or Iran. If, however, someone from China were in the US, THEY would be part of the People who could not have their right to keep and bear arms infringed.


 

Would the Twelfth Amendment apply to individuals who are immigrants, but have arrived here in the United States legally?  Would it apply to those individuals who are illegal immigrants?

Some of Amendment 12 has been modified/eliminated by subsequent Amendment.
In AIIS1C2, the State Legislatures are provided the power to choose Electors in whatever manner they desire. If they seek to choose immigrants (with or without permission), that is their prerogative.
Exactly WHICH portion/reference are you attempting to identify?

 

Why is it that citizens or "residents" of Puerto Rico, although by law being United States citizens, are not as a constitutional matter protected by the full Bill of Rights?

If Peurto Rico is a US Territory -- which it is -- then the Constitution applies. That it might NOT is part and parcel to the myriad of unconstitutional efforts perpetrated with impunity.

 

I think we both agree that it is fundamental that the Constitution defines and limits our federal government. Yet does the Constitution constrain the exercise of ourfederal government's power abroad? Do United States Constitutional Protections apply to Afghanis, who by yours and probably better said PlainOl's definitions,  are victims of our "interventionist"  policies,  and by example, what I mean to say, is does the Constitution constrain our federal government and our occupational forces in Afghanistan?

Afghanistan, of course, is a sovereign nation. The US Government has no (legitimate) jurisdiction, power or authority in Afghanistan. In fact, as the Constitution is concerned the war and our occupation is outside the Constitution.


Regard$,
--MJ

"Until such time as the Constitution is faithfully followed, there is no reason to believe that any amendment passed at an Article V constitutional convention would not be ignored, misinterpreted, and violated as badly as existing clauses to justify the federal government's unrepentant encroachment into the lives of Americans and into the sovereignty of the states." -- Joe Wolverton

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:51 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

"Note that the Constitution expressly protects the rights ofpersons, not just those of American citizens."

 

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No, it doesn't.  That is the major flaw with many far left individuals' thinking. 

ROTFLMAO!

The Constitution protects People from Government -- their rights as well.

Never see:

A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who ...

No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the ...

,,, the right of the people to keep and ...

... without the consent of the Owner, nor in ...

The right of the people to be secure ...

No person shall be held to answer for a ...

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall ,,,

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Who do you imagine these PEOPLE might be? Before you absurdly make a fool of yourself with 'citizen' ,,, why did they not use THAT term in those instances when they did in others?

Regard$,

--MJ

"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves. That enables them to act as if there were no price, even when there are ruinous prices paid by others" -- Thomas Sowell.

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