government to track the weapons to the buyers and capture them
well, we know they can't ... so the plan was a bad idea
otoh, had we put tracking devices in the guns we could have used
drones to tak'em out, permanently
On Oct 2, 4:20 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Fast And Furious Document Dump Raises More Questions About a White House
> Cover Up <http://jeffdunetz.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9a443c8dc3ed9a157...
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> Oct 01, 2011 03:41 pm | Jeff Dunetz
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> </mail/u/0/s/?view=att&th=132c67fb776eda12&attid=0.1&disp=emb&zw> <http://jeffdunetz.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9a443c8dc3ed9a157...>Political
> Mothers have an old saying, if you don't have something nice to say, say it
> on Friday. The Friday document drop is an old American Political tradition,
> release controversial information or make a controversial firing on a
> Friday, when the "a" team of media correspondents have already filed their
> reports and taken off for the weekend. The thought is that will prevent the
> information from picking up momentum and the bad news dominating the news
> cycle for a few days.
>
> So it was no surprise that when it was going to release documents which show
> the White House North American Director of Security Affairs had more than a
> cursory knowledge Operation Fast and Furious, the Obama Administration
> released them on Friday afternoon.
>
> Fast and Furious was a project of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
> Fireworks where basically some "geniuses" high up in ATF (and possibly the
> DOJ and White House) thought it would be a great idea to sell assault
> weapons to the violent Mexican drug cartels. The US government decided--in
> order to fight the Mexican Drug Cartels, we should arm them and let them
> keep their weapons once they were used in committing crimes .
>
> Those assault weapons ceded to the drug cartels have been used for crimes in
> Mexico, used to kill a Border Agent named Brian Terry <http://jeffdunetz.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9a443c8dc3ed9a157...>,
> turned up at the scenes of violent crimes in Phoenix <http://jeffdunetz.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9a443c8dc3ed9a157...>,
> and other crimes across the country. The House Oversight Committee and
> Senator Grassley of the Senate Judiciary Committee has been investigating
> "Fast and Furious" in an attempt to identify who approved this lame-brained
> scheme and how can operations like this be prevented from happening in the
> future.
>
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>
> Yesterday, on doc dump Friday, the White House turned over new documents in
> the Congressional investigation of fast and furious.
>
> The documents show extensive communications between Bill Newell - who led
> Fast and Furious - and then-White House National Security Staffer Kevin
> O'Reilly <http://jeffdunetz.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=9a443c8dc3ed9a15...>.
> While it was known that the two had contact, the documents indicate a more
> extensive discussion of Fast and Furious than the two previously admitted. <http://jeffdunetz.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=9a443c8dc3ed9a15...
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>
> Emails indicate the two also spoke on the phone. Such detailed, direct
> communications between a local ATF manager in Phoenix and a White House
> national security staffer has raised interest among Congressional
> investigators looking into Fast and Furious. Newell has said he and O'Reilly
> are long time friends. (the documents are embedded below)
>
> In the E-mails Newell and O' Reilly discuss ATF's gun trafficking efforts
> along the border including Fast and Furious case, though not by name. O'
> Reilly, the Director of North East Affairs for the National Security Staff
> of the White House seems to have more than a "friends" interest in the
> Phoenix office's gun trafficking cases even including weekly status reports.
> They do not mention specific tactics such as "letting guns walk.
>
> A lawyer for <http://jeffdunetz.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9a443c8dc3ed9a157...>the
> White House wrote Congressional investigators: "none of the communications
> between ATF and the White House revealed the investigative law enforcement
> tactics at issue in your inquiry, let alone any decision to allow guns to
> 'walk.'"
>
> Which is 100% true. Also true is the fact that the White House is with
> holding some documents.
>
> However, the chief counsel to President Barack Obama, Kathryn Ruemmler,
> indicated that the White House was withholding an unspecified number of
> internal e-mails exchanged among three National Security Staff aides. "These
> internal NSS emails are not included in the enclosed documents because the
> [Executive Office of the President] has significant confidentiality
> interests in its internal communications.
>
> I am willing to put money down on the fact that those " significant
> confidentiality interests in its internal communications" involve protecting
> some White House backsides.
>
> Among the documents produced: an email in which ATF's Newell sent the White
> House's O'Reilly an "arrow chart reflecting the ultimate destination of
> firearms we intercepted and/or where the guns ended up." The chart shows
> arrows leading from Arizona to destinations all over Mexico.
>
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>
> In response, O'Reilly wrote on Sept. 3, 2010 "The arrow chart is really
> interesting - and - no surprise - implies at least that different (Drug
> Trafficking Organizations) in Mexico have very different and geographically
> distinct networks in the US for acquiring guns. Did last year's TX effort
> develop a similar graphic?"
>
> Keep in mind, while the ATF was sharing some pretty charts with at least one
> White House official, about the movement of American purchased contraband
> throughout Mexico, our Mexican allies knew nothing about the program.
>
> Congressional investigators for Republicans Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and
> Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) have asked to interview O'Reilly by September
> 30. But the White House sent the North American Director on an assignment to
> Iraq, which last time I checked was not part of North America, but it does
> put him outside the reach of Congressional investigators.
>
> One administration source says White House national security staffers were
> "briefed on the toplines of ongoing federal efforts, but nobody in White
> House knew about the investigative tactics being used in the operation, let
> alone any decision to let guns walk."
>
> If that is the case, why is the White House holding back some emails, why is
> O'Reilly in Iraq when the White House has known since July that he would be
> next on the list to be questioned.
>
> Maybe the White House knew absolutely nothing about allowing guns to walk.
> Maybe the ATF ignored standard procedure (and the opportunity to protect
> their own butts)by not asking high ups in the Department of Justice of the
> Fast and Furious was OK with them. And maybe even the 100 page+ worth of
> conversations about this secret program between the project head in ATF and
> the Director of North America for National Security Affairs was just
> friendly conversation (hey its possible American Idol wasn't good that year
> maybe the two buddies had nothing else to talk about), but the part I don't
> get is if all that is true, why is the White House withholding some
> documents, and making sure O'Reilly is not available to interview?
>
> Something be rotten in the District of Columbia (the White House document
> dump is embedded below).
> ffdocdump <http://jeffdunetz.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=9a443c8dc3ed9a15...
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