On 2/11/11, frankg <frankg2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy,
>
> Can you explain how "The problem is you're so blinded by your bias
> that you can't even tell you're looking into a mirror." is an insult?
> Blinded by bias, as in anyone who has extreme views one way or
> another, so much so that they can not comprehend an alternative point
> of view. Lots of people fall into that category. In this case you cite
> a poll that was intended to point out the extreme, hateful nature of
> Republicans yet you fail to see that similar polls and comments were
> made by Democrats about Bush during his presidency. Hence the
> hypocrisy comment.
>
> My comment, "Are you really so ignorant that you are unable to
> understand the point I'm making, or deliberately avoiding it because
> it exposes the hypocritical nature of the poll?" was made AFTER you
> accused me of hateful insults. And again, not insulting you, just
> questioning why you can not address the issue. Either you do not
> understand it (ignorant?) or you're deliberately avoiding it. So which
> is it? I wouldn't have even had to question this if you had just
> addressed the question and not played your childish 'you suck, you
> hate' game. I don't hate you, I'm trying to understand you. But it's
> damn hard to do when you never address a question.
>
>
> On Feb 11, 4:14 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank-
>>
>> You said "Are you really so ignorant that you are unable to understand the
>> point
>> I'm making, or deliberately avoiding it because it exposes the
>> hypocritical nature of the poll?".
>>
>> That sounds like another officious hateful personal insult, to me.
>> Another violation of the group rules by you.
>>
>> On 2/10/11, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Are you really so ignorant that you are unable to understand the point
>> > I'm making, or deliberately avoiding it because it exposes the
>> > hypocritical nature of the poll?
>>
>> > My comment to you on this thread was not hateful nor was it about you.
>> > I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of the poll. To do that, I gave you
>> > a point for point equivalency to what Democrats were saying during the
>> > Bush years. Can you debate that or not?
>>
>> > And a second challenge to you.. point out where in this thread I made
>> > hateful insults to you or anyone else.
>>
>> > On Feb 10, 1:20 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Although I get alot of hateful insults and negative arguments from
>> >> Conservative
>> >> Pundits, Libertarian Loons, Wingnut Fascists, and Republican
>> >> Obstructionists, I still
>> >> believe that my informative efforts are worthwhile.
>>
>> >> Frank, I suggest that you should refrain from looking in the mirror, as
>> >> it
>> >> may well shatter if you do.
>>
>> >> On 2/6/11, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Tommy,
>>
>> >> > As previously noted, the responses from this poll are absolutely no
>> >> > different than the responses given by Democrats during Bush's final
>> >> > six years. The problem is you're so blinded by your bias that you
>> >> > can't even tell you're looking into a mirror.
>>
>> >> > On Feb 6, 9:13 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Well, around here, it's sort of all part of the vast
>> >> >> evangelical-church-Republican-politics-"America"-first rightwing
>> >> >> thing. People learn from their ministers that God tolerates only
>> >> >> Republican politics and FOX News, and that "America" is exceptional,
>> >> >> so it's fully equipped--nay, required--to protect Israel so that
>> >> >> Jesus
>> >> >> can return and they can be raptured before the really bad stuff
>> >> >> happens; then, they get to come back with Jesus and throw all the
>> >> >> "unperfected" Jews into the pit of fire, along with all the rest of
>> >> >> us
>> >> >> who tolerated and cared for our fellow humans. I could go on, but I
>> >> >> already feel bad just for writing that much, and all it is is the
>> >> >> truth. But people who watch it believe FOX because they want to,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> because they believe it's the right thing to do.
>>
>> >> >> On 2/6/11, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > And yet MORE fallacy.
>> >> >> > Whether or not the Author is this, that or the other is
>> >> >> > MEANINGLESS
>> >> >> > as
>> >> >> > far
>> >> >> > as the veracity of his claim.
>> >> >> > Similarly, with what group he may or may not be aligned (or
>> >> >> > purported
>> >> >> > so) is
>> >> >> > equally MEANINGLESS.
>>
>> >> >> > Regard$,
>> >> >> > --MJ
>>
>> >> >> > Since World War II, and especially since the 1950s, the function
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > Republican Party has been to be the "loyal, . . . . moderate,"
>> >> >> > "bi-partisan," pseudo-opposition to the collectivist and leftist
>> >> >> > program
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > the Democratic Party. Unlike the more apocalyptic and impatient
>> >> >> > Bolsheviks,
>> >> >> > the Mensheviks (or social democrats, or corporate liberals, or
>> >> >> > "responsible"
>> >> >> > liberals, or "responsible" conservatives, or neo-conservatives --
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > labels
>> >> >> > change, but the reality remains the same) try to preserve an
>> >> >> > illusion
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > free choice for the American public, including a two-party system,
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > at
>> >> >> > least marginal freedom of speech and expression.
>>
>> >> >> > The goal of these "responsible" or "enlightened" moderates has
>> >> >> > been
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > participate in the march to statism, while replacing the older
>> >> >> > American
>> >> >> > ideals of free markets, private property, and limited government
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > cloudy
>> >> >> > and noisy rhetoric about the glories of "democracy," as opposed to
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > one-party dictatorship of the Soviet Union.
>>
>> >> >> > -- Murray Rothbard, Making Economic Sense
>>
>> >> >> > At 08:49 AM 2/6/2011, you wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> Here's a little about the author, Jonathan Kantrowitz, from
>> >> >> >> which
>> >> >> >> Tom
>> >> >> >> cites his purported "poll":
>>
>> >> >> >> Founder, Chief Executive Officer. Queue, Inc., an educational
>> >> >> >> publisher.
>> >> >> >> 1981-present; Assistant General Counsel. Touche Ross & Co.
>> >> >> >> 1977-1981;
>> >> >> >> Coordinator, Fairfield Over-30 Men's Soccer, 1987-present;
>> >> >> >> Member,
>> >> >> >> Fairfield Board of Education, 1992-1994; Member, Fairfield Board
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> Recreation, 1998-1999; Member, Fairfield TV Access Committee,
>> >> >> >> 2008-2009,
>> >> >> >> Economic Development Administrator, Town of Fairfield
>> >> >> >> (consultant)
>> >> >> >> 2002;
>> >> >> >> Chairman, Fairfield Temporary Pool Committee, 2004, Chairman,
>> >> >> >> Fairfield
>> >> >> >> TV
>> >> >> >> Access Committee, 2008; Member, Fairfield Democratic Town
>> >> >> >> Committee,
>> >> >> >> 1972-2002; Vice-Chairman, Fairfield Democratic Town Committee,
>> >> >> >> 1994-2000;
>> >> >> >> Democratic Candidate, U.S. Congress, 1994, 1998, State Senate
>> >> >> >> 1972,
>> >> >> >> 1984;
>> >> >> >> Education:; Brown University: B.A. Economics (1966); Harvard Law
>> >> >> >> School:
>> >> >> >> JD (1969).
>>
>> >> >> >> A couple of thoughts come to mind. First, Kantrowitz is a prime
>> >> >> >> example
>> >> >> >> of an "Academian" and the reason that our schools and universites
>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> such a mess. I would bet that Kantrowitz is a socialist also,
>> >> >> >> but
>> >> >> >> there
>> >> >> >> can be no doubt that Kantrowitz has posted a hate filled
>> >> >> >> prevaricate
>> >> >> >> rhetorical post, and this is an example of what he teaches his
>> >> >> >> pupils.
>>
>> >> >> >> Who took this poll? Who were the participants of the poll?
>> >> >> >> Note
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> Kantrowitz does not reference any of these most important
>> >> >> >> aspects.
>> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> poll is basically not at all reliable and is another example of
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> hate
>> >> >> >> coming from the far left extremist Anti-American socialistic
>> >> >> >> movement
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> is very vocal, but still nevertheless a small minority of our
>> >> >> >> Nation.
>> >> >> >> They should not be in charge of our schools and universities of
>> >> >> >> higher
>> >> >> >> education.
>>
>> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:15 AM, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> Tommy,
>>
>> >> >> >> Change the names of the talking heads and politicians, replace
>> >> >> >> ACORN
>> >> >> >> stealing the election to simply stealing the election, replace
>> >> >> >> socialist with communist, impeached can stay in there, replace
>> >> >> >> "wants
>> >> >> >> the terrorists to win" with "9/11 was an inside job", etc., and
>> >> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> could be discussing what the Democrats were saying about Bush a
>> >> >> >> few
>> >> >> >> years ago. This type of hateful rhetoric solves nothing, is not
>> >> >> >> unique
>> >> >> >> to either party and generally just proves there are a lot of
>> >> >> >> intolerant idiots in both political parties.
>>
>> >> >> >> On Feb 4, 8:40 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > I Think, Therefore I am Not
>> >> >> >> > Glenn Beck.......Sarah Palin.....Ann Coulter....Rush
>> >> >> >> > Limbaugh....Michelle Bachmann.....Christine O`Donnell....John
>> >> >> >> > McCain....John Boehner.......Newt Gingrich.......Ron
>> >> >> >> > Paul.........Mitt
>> >> >> >> > Romney..........Mitch McConnell.........The Tea Party
>> >> >> >> > Sheeple......A
>> >> >> >> > Faux Noise Pundit.....A Republican Obstructionist......A
>> >> >> >> > Libertarian
>> >> >> >> > Loon..etc.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Republican Intelligence – an Oxymoron?
>>
>> >> >> >> > by Jonathan Kantrowitz
>>
>> >> >> >> > A new poll of self-identified Republicans released Tuesday
>> >> >> >> > shows a
>> >> >> >> > large slice of the GOP believes President Barack Obama is a
>> >> >> >> > "socialist" who was not born in this country, should be
>> >> >> >> > impeached,
>> >> >> >> > wants the terrorists to win and only won the 2008 election
>> >> >> >> > because
>> >> >> >> > ACORN "stole" it for him.
>>
>> >> >> >> > According to the poll, 63 percent of Republicans believe Obama
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > socialist; 39 percent think Obama should be impeached; 24
>> >> >> >> > percent
>> >> >> >> > said
>> >> >> >> > Obama wants "the terrorists to win"; and 31 percent agreed with
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > statement that Obama is "a racist who hates white people."
>>
>> >> >> >> > According to the survey, 36 percent of respondents do not
>> >> >> >> > believe
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > president was born in this country, and 21 percent think the
>> >> >> >> > liberal
>> >> >> >> > advocacy group ACORN stole the election for Obama.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Meanwhile, nearly a quarter of the Republicans polled, 23
>> >> >> >> > percent,
>> >> >> >> > want their state to secede from the union.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Fifty-one percent of those polled believe sex education should
>> >> >> >> > not
>> >> >> >> > be
>> >> >> >> > taught in schools; 77 percent want creationism taught in
>> >> >> >> > schools;
>> >> >> >> > 31
>> >> >> >> > percent want contraception outlawed; and 34 percent believe
>> >> >> >> > birth
>> >> >> >> > control is "abortion."
>>
>> >> >> >> > More:
>> >> >> >> >http://blog.ctnews.com/kantrowitz/2010/02/04/republican-intelligence-.
>> >> >> >> > ..
>>
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> >> >> > Have a great day,
>> >> >> >> > Tommy
>>
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