Dubya said that ending the war in Iraq woul be up to "Some Future President".
He simply wanted to take credit, as many opportunistic Republican
politicians do.
On 10/21/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>
> You forget that I require facts.... This deal was being negotiated a full
> year before Obama was even in the primary elections let alone a real
> candidate for the Democrats. Nobama had "0" to do with it... General
> Petraeus was the impetus after the success of the "Surge" and with the
> insistence of the new Iraqi Government as well.
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> False.
>>
>> The Faux deal was signed because President Obama was about to do it
>> and Dubya wanted the credit.
>>
>> On 10/21/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Tommy,
>> >
>> > I am NOT a fan of Georgy Girl Bush. He did however cut and sign the
>> > deal to end Iraq before he left office. NoBama is simply implementing
>> > the republican signed plan.
>> >
>> > On Oct 21, 7:36 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I cannot open adobe documents on my old computer.
>> >>
>> >> Bush himself admitted that there were no WMDs in Iraq.
>> >>
>> >> The illegal invasion of Iraq was in reality a personal Bush family
>> >> vendetta against Sadaaam Hussein, who tried to kill Daddy Bush,
>> >> combined with the war profiteering greed of Dick Cheney and his
>> >> Halliburton cronies.
>> >>
>> >> The unilateral invasion of Iraq violated both the Geneva Convention
>> >> and The United Nations Charter, and the war criminals Bush, Cheney,
>> >> Rove, Rice, and Rumsfeld should be impeached, tried and imprisoned.
>> >> Yes, they can still be impeached even after they have left office.
>> >>
>> >> Thankfully, President Obama has ended the illegal Iraq war, and he has
>> >> promised to also end the war in Afghanistan beginning in 2011.
>> >>
>> >> PEACE!
>> >>
>> >> On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Whoops! I forgot to attach the attachment!
>> >>
>> >> > Apologies!
>> >>
>> >> > Keith
>> >>
>> >> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Keith In Tampa
>> >> > <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Hey Michael,
>> >>
>> >> >> Maybe that great Irish American, Jude Wannanski might want to take
>> >> >> up
>> >> >> his
>> >> >> research, and resources with John Negroponte, and the United States
>> >> >> Congress. (*See* Attachment, in .pdf format, from June 21, 2006).
>> >>
>> >> >> Below is info from the Congressional Research Office, of the
>> >> >> weaponry
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> was unaccounted for, and at the time that we invaded Iraq, none of
>> >> >> these
>> >> >> biological weapons had been located. Again, *See* Attachment....We
>> did
>> >> >> find some of them.
>> >>
>> >> >> Below that, is other articles that conclusively prove that not only
>> did
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> discover that there had been biological weaponry and potential
>> nuclear
>> >> >> weaponry in Iraq, but we still, to date, have not accounted for all
>> of
>> >> >> Saddam Hussein's and the Baath Party's weaponry.
>> >>
>> >> >> Anything else, is nothing but far left, liberal mainstream spin and
>> >> >> bias,
>> >> >> which folks like Tom fall for and quote, hook, line and sinker.
>> >>
>> >> >> Tommy, there is some "special" information for you, as well as a You
>> >> >> Tube
>> >> >> video clip for you to watch at the bottom of this message:
>> >>
>> >> >> ===========
>> >>
>> >> >> From the Congressional Research Service: April, 1998:
>> >>
>> >> >>http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html
>> >>
>> >> >> Iraq has also acknowledged that prior to the
>> >> >> Persian<http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html#>Gulf
>> >> >> conflict it
>> >> >> manufactured 100 botulinum bombs, 50 anthrax bombs, and 7 aflatoxin
>> >> >> bombs.
>> >> >> In addition, 16 missile warheads were filled with botulinum, five
>> with
>> >> >> anthrax bacillus, and four with aflatoxin.
>> >>
>> >> >> U.S. and British intelligence agencies believe that Iraq has hidden
>> >> >> stores of CBW agents, production equipment, ballistic missiles, and
>> >> >> missile warheads. UNSCOM has reported no firm evidence that Iraq
>> still
>> >> >> retains weapons or materiel, but the Iraqi government has not
>> provided
>> >> >> adequate evidence to support its claim that all its CBW arsenal has
>> >> >> been
>> >> >> destroyed, nor has it accounted for CBW production materials known
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> been in its possession. These factors, coupled with Iraqi
>> >> >> obstruction
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> UNSCOM inspections, have led to strong suspicions. U.S. and British
>> >> >> intelligence agencies believe that Iraq still may possess tons of
>> >> >> chemical
>> >> >> warfare agents and the necessary materials to produce thousands of
>> >> >> liters
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> biological agents. UNSCOM and U.S. intelligence differ in their
>> >> >> estimates
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the number of actual missiles that may still be in Iraq. Again
>> >> >> information
>> >> >> is sketchy. In part, this is because much is classified, but even
>> the
>> >> >> classified information is reportedly incomplete. A recent report
>> issued
>> >> >> by
>> >> >> the British government, however, provided some information (Foreign
>> and
>> >> >> Commonwealth Office --
>> >> >> (http://193.114.50.5/texts/1998/feb/04/iraqppr.txt).
>> >>
>> >> >> -- British intelligence believes that up to ten SCUD missiles
>> >> >> capable
>> >> >> of carrying CBW warheads remain hidden.
>> >>
>> >> >> -- UNSCOM reports that between 40-70 CBW-capable missile warheads
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> unaccounted for.
>> >>
>> >> >> -- Iraq possessed enough growth medium to produce over 16,000 liters
>> >> >> more
>> >> >> anthrax spores than has been acknowledged.
>> >>
>> >> >> -- 4,000 tons of CW precursor chemicals are unaccounted for; enough
>> to
>> >> >> produce several hundred tons of CW agents.
>> >>
>> >> >> -- 31,000 CW munitions remain unaccounted for.
>> >>
>> >> >> -- Essential CW production equipment remains unaccounted for.
>> >>
>> >> >> -- It is believed that Iraq may retain undetermined amounts of Ebola
>> >> >> virus, bubonic and pneumonic plague bacteria, and the toxin ricin.
>> >>
>> >> >> ========================
>> >>
>> >> >> Thursday, 19 December, 2002, 16:35 GMT
>> >> >> *Iraq's 'unaccounted for' weapons*
>> >>
>> >> >> By Paul Reynolds
>> >> >> BBC News Online world affairs correspondent
>> >>
>> >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2590265.stm
>> >>
>> >> >> Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix has said Iraq's new declaration
>> >> >> contains little information that had not been declared by Baghdad
>> >> >> before
>> >> >> 1998 when UN arms experts were last in Iraq.
>> >>
>> >> >> The US and UK have long had concerns about what is described as
>> >> >> unaccounted
>> >> >> for chemical, biological and nuclear material. Their assessments
>> >> >> were
>> >> >> partly
>> >> >> based on a report by the weapons inspections organisation Unscom,
>> >> >> predecessor to Unmovic.
>> >>
>> >> >> In early 1999, Unscom gave the Security Council its own assessment
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> what
>> >> >> Iraq had destroyed and what remained unaccounted for.
>> >>
>> >> >> The US and UK want a full explanation of what happened to the
>> >> >> following:
>> >>
>> >> >> - 360 tonnes of chemical warfare agents, including 1.5 tonnes of
>> VX
>> >> >> nerve agent;
>> >>
>> >> >> - 3,000 tonnes of chemical precursors (which are developed into
>> >> >> chemical weapons) including 300 tonnes uniquely used for VX.
>> >>
>> >> >> The 1999 Unscom report said:
>> >>
>> >> >> "According to Iraq, 1.5 tonnes of VX were discarded unilaterally by
>> >> >> dumping
>> >> >> on the ground. Traces of one VX-degradation product and a chemical
>> >> >> known
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> a VX-stabilizer were found in the samples taken from the VX dump
>> sites.
>> >> >> A
>> >> >> quantified assessment is not possible."
>> >>
>> >> >> *Biological*
>> >>
>> >> >> Britain and America want to know about:
>> >>
>> >> >> Growth media for 20,000 litres of biological warfare agents. Any
>> Iraqi
>> >> >> claims that this will have degenerated will not be accepted as
>> mustard
>> >> >> gas
>> >> >> found in shells in 1997 was active;
>> >>
>> >> >> Shells for use in biological warfare - 20,000 are missing say the
>> >> >> British,
>> >> >> 15,000 say the Americans;
>> >>
>> >> >> Unscom said in 1999:
>> >>
>> >> >> "The commission has little or no confidence in Iraq's accounting for
>> >> >> proscribed items for which physical evidence is lacking or
>> >> >> inconclusive,
>> >> >> documentation is sparse or nonexistent, and coherence and
>> >> >> consistency
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> lacking.
>> >>
>> >> >> These include, for example: quantities and types of munitions
>> available
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> biological weapons (BW) filling; quantities and types of munitions
>> >> >> filled
>> >> >> with BW agents; quantities and type of bulk agents produced;
>> quantities
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> bulk agents used in filling; quantities of bulk agents destroyed;
>> >> >> quantities
>> >> >> of growth media acquired for the programme; and quantities of growth
>> >> >> media
>> >> >> used/consumed.
>> >>
>> >> >> In addition, the commission has no confidence that all bulk agents
>> have
>> >> >> been destroyed; that no BW munitions or weapons remain in Iraq; and
>> >> >> that a
>> >> >> BW capability does not still exist in Iraq."
>> >>
>> >> >> *Chemical warfare munitions*
>> >>
>> >> >> Washington and London demand disclosure on:
>> >>
>> >> >> 6,000 chemical warfare bombs.
>> >>
>> >> >> Unscom said:
>> >>
>> >> >> The commission has accepted the destruction of about 34,000
>> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> the basis of multiple sources, including physical evidence,
>> >> >> documents
>> >> >> provided by Iraq etc. However, it has not been possible to achieve a
>> >> >> numerical accounting of destroyed munitions due to heavy bomb damage
>> of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> CW storage
>> >> >> facilities<
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h...>,
>> >> >> where these munitions had been stored during the Gulf war. The
>> >> >> destruction
>> >> >> of about 2,000 unfilled munitions remain uncertain, 550 filled
>> >> >> munitions
>> >> >> remain unaccounted for.
>> >>
>> >> >> Other key concerns for the US and UK include the following:
>> >>
>> >> >> - Why did Iraq try to import 60,000 aluminium tubes? Rapidly
>> >> >> spinning
>> >> >> rotor tubes in centrifuges are used to separate weapons grade
>> >> >> uranium,
>> >> >> though both the British and American reports acknowledge that the
>> >> >> tubes
>> >> >> could be used for conventional weapons as well.
>> >>
>> >> >> Why did it try to import other equipment, including vacuum
>> >> >> pumps<
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h...>,
>> >> >> a winding machine and special chemicals needed in gas
>> >> >> centrifuge<
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h..
>> .>cascades?
>> >>
>> >> >> =============================================
>> >>
>> >> >> I don't think there is any argument, by anyone who keeps abreast of
>> >> >> current
>> >> >> affairs and world events, that all of the Western World believed at
>> the
>> >> >> time
>> >> >> of the United States' invasion of Iraq, that Saddam Hussein
>> possessed
>> >> >> biological and chemical weapons, and was attempting to obtain
>> >> >> nuclear
>> >> >> weaponry. Hell, we, (MNO's from Germany, the United States and
>> >> >> Great
>> >> >> Britain) sold them to Hussein and his government! Anthrax, VX nerve
>> >> >> agent,
>> >> >> and a variety of other weapons of mass destruction were never
>> accounted
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> by Saddam Hussein and his Baath Party led Iraqi government, as late
>> as
>> >> >> 2003.
>> >>
>> >> >>http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/wmd_5-29.html
>> >>
>> >> >> As stated, I attached a declassified file from the United States
>> Senate
>> >> >> where 500 canisters for missile armament tips of nerve agent were
>> >> >> found
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> 2006.
>> >>
>> >> >> No major media outcry over that. Hardly a peep from mainstream
>> >> >> media
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> 550 metric tons of yellow cake was recently shipped to Canada from
>> >> >> Iraq,
>> >> >> just this year:
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/07/07/msm-yawn-550-met...
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-elliott/weapons-of-mass-destruc...
>> >>
>> >> >>http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/2003/203/pe42
>> >>
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >> read more »
>> >
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>> Have a great day,
>> Tommy
>>
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