There I stand by all I said. There are 60 votes (you must include the two Ind. Senators and Joe Biden) for ANY good cause that the Dems want.
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Mark M. Kahle H.
-- On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
Markie Markie Markie
So you are saying that Dumbya's illegal undeclared war in Iraq was
imaginary and did not happen?
You are a pathetic denier.
Your math is also off. 59 votes is not 60 votes, and the Un-American
Republicans are abusing the 60 vote cloture rule on every bill to make
The President fail, their top agenda.
Wrong again, dearie.
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On 12/9/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>
> War has not been declared since WWll, The first responders on 9/11 had
> insurance coverage, and Obama (your boy) is fighting to KEEP DADT in
> the courts.
>
> Just how are ANY of these items a "Republican" problem when the Dems
> have 60 senate votes for any GOOD cause and three simply don't
> vote ??? Do you really think they didn't know the result BEFORE the
> vote ??
>
> On Dec 9, 7:28 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Grand Obstructionist Republicans Block DADT Repeal, Vote No to helping
>> 9/11 Responders, Vote to Extend Bush Tax Cuts to the Wealthy, and Vote
>> No to Funding the Troops in a Time of War Putting Troops in Danger.
>> This is More Sickening and Disgusting Behavior From the GOP. Vote them
>> ALL out of office in 2012.
>>
>> Senate vote kills repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'
>>
>> The Senate on Thursday killed repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell"
>> ban on openly gay members of the military, delivering a blow to
>> President Obama one week after a Pentagon study urged an end to the
>> Clinton-era ban.
>>
>> Although last-ditch efforts were underway to try another avenue to
>> repeal the ban before Congress adjourns for the year, the procedural
>> vote likely ends for the foreseeable future the possibility that the
>> 17-year-old ban can be repealed legislatively, leaving the matter to
>> the courts.
>>
>> A lawsuit by the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay conservative group, that
>> challenges the ban is before the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
>> in San Francisco, which is expected to issue a ruling sometime next
>> summer.
>>
>> The 57-40 vote to move ahead on the defense authorization bill, which
>> contained the repeal, fell three votes short of the 60 needed to
>> overcome a Republican filibuster.
>>
>> Obama issued a statement saying, "As commander in chief, I have
>> pledged to repeal this discriminatory law." He urged continued efforts
>> to repeal the law this year.
>>
>> Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., said they
>> would try to move a stand-alone bill, but it faces the same procedural
>> roadblocks that killed the much more popular defense bill. Sen. John
>> McCain, R-Ariz., has been blocking the defense bill since spring
>> because it would repeal the ban on gays, lesbians and bisexuals
>> serving openly in the military.
>>
>> The Human Rights Campaign, a pro-gay lobbying group, demanded that
>> Obama act unilaterally to cease defense of the ban in court, and halt
>> discharges of gay and lesbian troops under an emergency "stop-loss"
>> military order put in place by the George W. Bush administration,
>> which prevents troop discharges in case of military need.
>>
>> The Department of Justice has been defending the ban in court as a
>> matter of U.S. law. But Human Rights Campaign spokesperson Fred Sainz,
>> said decisions about which laws to defend are "a subjective judgment
>> made by every administration. They are not under an obligation to
>> defend every law and have not."
>>
>> Senate majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called for a vote on the
>> repeal bill knowing it would fail. He said Republicans kept changing
>> their demands on the parameters of the debate of the defense bill and
>> concluded they would continue blocking the bill.
>>
>> Repeal supporters believed they had enough Republican votes to pass
>> repeal of the gay ban if the broader defense bill had reached a floor
>> debate.
>>
>> Last week, the Pentagon weighed in strongly in favor of repeal,
>> issuing the results of an exhaustive, 10-month study, which included
>> surveys of active-duty troops and focus groups. The study found that
>> lifting the ban would not harm military effectiveness, unit cohesion
>> or other measures of military prowess.
>>
>> Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of
>> the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified to Congress last week urging
>> repeal and warning that if Congress does not act, the courts will.
>>
>> McCain, who once said he would go along with the results of the study,
>> called it flawed and cited continued resistance by combat troops in
>> the Army and Marines, as well as special operations forces, to serving
>> with gay troops.
>>
>> Obama, who many times promised gay groups that repeal would happen on
>> his watch, had personally phoned GOP Senators urging repeal. Collins
>> and Lieberman had been trying to broker an agreement with Reid on how
>> much time and how many amendments would be allowed for debate on the
>> defense bill.
>>
>> Collins rushed to the Senate floor just as Reid finished announcing
>> that he would call up the bill, accusing him of sabotaging repeal.
>>
>> "There was such a clear path for us to be able to get this bill done
>> and I am perplexed and frustrated that this important bill is going to
>> become a victim of politics," Collins said. "Sen. Lieberman and I have
>> been bargaining in good faith with the majority leader."
>>
>> Collins said she thought she had an agreement to allow a debate with
>> 10 GOP amendments and five Democratic amendments.
>>
>> A senior Democratic aide said Reid had given Collins plenty of ground
>> but that she had rejected the offer of 15 amendments. The Senate was
>> running out of time and Collins was offering no clear path around
>> continuing GOP obstruction, the aide said, adding that Reid had
>> offered an open amendment process on the defense bill earlier in the
>> year but Collins refused then to go along.
>>
>> Reid was backed by Senate Armed Services Committee chair Carl Levin,
>> D-Mich., who said the clock had run out.
>>
>> The vote kills for this session of Congress the entire defense bill -
>> the first time that has happened in 48 years. It also contained a pay
>> increase for the military and many other components.
>>
>> Republicans had insisted that their deal with Obama on tax cuts be
>> resolved before proceeding to any other business, including the
>> defense bill.
>>
>> Repeal of the ban had passed the House earlier this year, but
>> Republican leaders who will assume control of the House in January
>> have said they have no intention of bringing up repeal when they take
>> control for the next two years. The next chance Democrats have to
>> control the House is in the 2012 elections.
>>
>> Gay-rights groups erupted in outrage over the vote, but Aubrey Sarvis,
>> executive director of the Service Members Legal Defense Network, held
>> out hope that the effort was not dead.
>>
>> Christopher Neff, deputy executive director of the Palm Center, a
>> pro-gay think tank at UC Santa Barbara, said leaders must consider
>> "every available legislative, executive and judicial option." The U.S.
>> ban on military service by homosexuals puts the nation alone in the
>> West, and in the company of only Bulgaria, Jordan, Poland, Turkey and
>> the United Arab Emirates.
>>
>> Read
>> more:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/09/MN5V1GOF7...
>>
>> Read
>> more:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/09/MN5V1GOF7...
>>
>> --
>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> Have a great day,
>> Tommy
>
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