found wherever and in whatever job just because they were gay until
DADT. DADT covered them if they did not make a public issue of their
being gay. Before that the military could check up to see if anyone
was gay and then kick them out if found. Sure you want to go back to
the existing military code of conduct? Now you are sounding like McCain.
On 12/10/2010 11:53 AM, Tommy News wrote:
> Wrong again Keith.
>
> Your homophobia is showing.
>
> Gays have been serving in the military, well, since before Alexander
> The Great and his lover Hephaesteon.
>
> The existing military code of conduct shoold be adequate for any
> behavior issues from a very few.
>
> By your logic, heterosexuals should be banned from the military as
> well due to criminals like Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, variuus
> felons, etc.
>
> Please also note that Military Enlistment of Felons Doubled under the
> Bush Administration.
> http://www.palmcenter.org/press/dadt/releases/military_enlistment_of_felons_has_doubled
>
> Top Ten American War
> Criminals Living
> Freely Today
>
>
> Rense Exclusive
> By Douglas Herman
> 12-14-5
>
> A war crime is a punishable offense, under international law, for
> violations of the law of war by any person or persons, military or
> civilian. Every violation of the law of war is a war crime. Also, war
> crimes are those committed during wartime in violation of
> international conventions intended to protect civilian populations and
> prisoners of war. You will note that many on this list, categorized as
> war criminals, ironically, are among the most powerful and wealthy US
> citizens
>
> Robert McNamara. Former US Secretary of Defense, helped kill
> approximately 2-3 million, mostly poor Vietnamese, Cambodians and
> Laotians. Not to mention a sizeable portion of the 58,000 dead US
> servicemen pressed into that war. Not to mention that equal number of
> US veterans who committed suicide in the years to follow. McNamara is
> an Elder Statesman now, walking around freely today.
>
> Henry Kissinger. Former US Secretary of State, had a hand in the
> killings mentioned above. Plus condoned thousands of additional
> killings in Chile, under the sponsorship of US foreign policy. Won a
> Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. Elder Statesman, walking around
> freely today.
>
>
> George HW Bush. Former super spy, former US President, the first to
> graduate from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) into the
> presidency and bring lessons learned at CIA headquarters directly into
> US policy. While serving under Ronald Reagan, helped encourage the
> Iraq-Iran war, resulting in deaths of one million people, allowing US
> oil and arms dealers to profit greatly. During the 'Eighties, helped
> encourage US sponsored military dictators in Latin America, guilty of
> extermination of thousands of ordinary citizens, via US-trained "death
> squads." Conducted pre-emptive war with Panama, resulting in
> 1,000-4,000 deaths, simply to topple former CIA henchman and drug
> lord, Manuel Noriega. Elder Statesman, walking around freely today,
> basking in limelight.
>
>
>
> George W. Bush. Two term US president, elected using electronic,
> "black box" voting methods that permit no verification of actual vote
> count. Conducted two pre-emptive wars, resulting in excess of 100,000
> US. Iraqi and Afghani deaths. Condones the use of torture as US
> policy. Condones rejection of the Geneva Convention, becoming the
> first US president to openly do so. Considers the US Constitution "A
> Goddamned piece of paper." Embattled Statesman, walking around freely
> today.
>
> Dick Cheney. Former US Secretary of Defense, and signator of the PNAC,
> and current Vice President. Accused mastermind of the 911 "terrorist"
> attack against the US (unproven), Cheney has been called "The Vice
> President For Torture" by the Washington Post. A staunch supporter of
> the Middle Eastern War Without End, Cheney, like Wolfowitz and
> Rumsfeld bears particular responsibility for the conduct of the war.
> Elder Statesman, walking around freely today.
>
> 8. Paul Wolfowitz. Former US Deputy Secretary of Defense and architect
> of the Middle Eastern War Without End. Casualties in two pre-emptive
> wars now exceed 100,000 deaths, not including the estimated 2,000+ US
> deaths and 15,000 wounded. Won a Presidential Medal of Freedom for his
> work and a promotion to the head of the World Bank. Elder Statesman,
> walking around freely today.
>
> Donald Rumsfeld. US Secretary of Defense during the Middle Eastern War
> Without End. A signator of the PNAC document that calls for
> pre-emptive hostile acts of US imperialism conducted by overwhelming
> military means (War) against weaker nations possessing scarce
> resources. Aside from the estimated 100,000 Iraqi deaths, the
> estimated 15-20,000 US casualties (dead and injured), and the untold
> tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands (millions?) who will suffer
> from the effects of depleted uranium in the years to come, Rumsfeld
> remains convinced the "war on terror" is just. A long time political
> appointee, Rumsfeld is an Elder Statesman, walking around freely
> today.
>
> Ruppert Murdoch. Token American. Media baron. Never met a war he
> didn't like. Responsible for tens of thousands of deaths and untold
> millions of refugees through media encouragement of harsh, US foreign
> policy. Owns a sizable chunk of the US news media. Murdoch is the most
> visible Godfather of the Mainstream News Mafia (MNM). Elder Statesman
> and multi-billionaire news baron, walking around freely today.
>
> Former USAF veteran (Honorably Discharged) and Elder Statesman,
> Douglas Herman writes regularly for Rense and is the author of The
> Guns of Dallas
>
> More:
> http://www.rense.com/general69/tpten.htm
>
>
>
> On 12/10/10, Keith In Tampa<keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Two words, a whole bunch of syllables, as to why DADT should NOT be
>> repealed: "Bradley Manning".
>>
>> *According to Bradley's online chats, he was in "an awkward place" both
>> "emotionally and psychologically." So in a snit, he betrayed his country by
>> orchestrating the greatest leak of classified intelligence in U.S. history.
>>
>> Isn't that in the Army Code of Conduct? You must follow orders at all times.
>> Exceptions will be made for servicemen in an awkward place. Now, who wants a
>> hug? Waitress! Three more apple-tinis!"
>>
>> *
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Many Democratic Activists are fighting DADT both in and out of the
>>> courts..
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/10/10, GregfromBoston<greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> What part of "in the courts", are you missing?
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 10, 10:16 am, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Wrong again.
>>>>> Many Democratic Activists are indeed fighting DADT.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are quite mistaken, yet again.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/10/10, GregfromBoston<greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not in the courts they aren't Tom. Drop the suit and DADT AND the
>>>>>> complete ban vanish.
>>>>>> On Dec 9, 12:10 pm, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> No, that is false. Many Democrats and actvists are fighting AGAINST
>>>>>>> both.
>>>>>>> On 12/8/10, GregfromBoston<greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I emailed POTUS and told him to drop his challenge in the courts.
>>>>>>>> It didn't work.
>>>>>>>> DOMA too.
>>>>>>>> Dems own BOTH!!! And dems are fighting FOR both!
>>>>>>>> God this is easy
>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 12:08 pm, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ACTION Alert: Call and Fax your two US Senators on DADT Repeal
>>> NOW!
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>>>>>>>>> Wednesday, December 8, 2010; 11:10 AM
>>>>>>>>> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is likely to hold a
>>>>>>>>> procedural vote Wednesday on a bill that would end the military's
>>>>>>>>> "don't ask, don't tell" law, but the measure is expected to fail,
>>>>>>>>> according to Senate Democratic aides and advocates for ending the
>>>>>>>>> law.
>>>>>>>>> Reid said this morning he would likely file a motion later today
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> reconsider the annual defense authorization bill, a massive piece
>>> of
>>>>>>>>> legislation that includes language instructing the Pentagon to
>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>>>> But holding a vote today would keep several Republicans from
>>> voting
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> proceed, according to aides and activists familiar with ongoing
>>>>>>>>> negotiations who are not authorized to speak on the record.
>>>>>>>>> Republican
>>>>>>>>> senators, led by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), have said they would
>>>>>>>>> filibuster attempts to move forward with the bill. McCain, a
>>>>>>>>> vocal
>>>>>>>>> critic of a Pentagon study released last week on the topic, wants
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> hold more hearings with frontline military commanders and senior
>>>>>>>>> enlisted officers before voting to repeal the law.
>>>>>>>>> Holding an ultimately unsuccessful vote today has the potential
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> further enrage liberal Democrats and gay rights activists upset
>>> with
>>>>>>>>> Congressional Democrats and the White House for failing to
>>>>>>>>> deliver
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> several campaign promises.
>>>>>>>>> If the procedural vote fails today, "it will be impossible to
>>> raise
>>>>>>>>> money for Senate Democrats that are up in 2012," said Fred Sainz,
>>>>>>>>> vice
>>>>>>>>> president of the Human Rights Campaign, a group actively lobbying
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> end to the ban. "If Reid likes the majority leader title, he
>>> better
>>>>>>>>> think twice about the way this is currently set up for failure."
>>>>>>>>> "We're staring at failure," said another experienced activist
>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>> with the negotiations, who was not authorized to speak on the
>>>>>>>>> record.
>>>>>>>>> Gay rights groups and some Democratic senators want Reid to move
>>>>>>>>> forward to consideration of a tax cut compromise and a $1.1
>>> trillion
>>>>>>>>> bill to keep the government running before reconsidering the
>>> defense
>>>>>>>>> bill.
>>>>>>>>> They cite the expected support of moderate Republican Sens. Susan
>>>>>>>>> Collins (Maine) and Scott Brown (Mass.), who are willing to
>>> support
>>>>>>>>> repeal if Reid holds the vote after the tax and spending bills
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> allows for a fair debate process. Despite weeks of questions and
>>>>>>>>> deliberations with Democrats, Collins has yet to signal her final
>>>>>>>>> intentions or to clarify what a "fair debate process" means,
>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>> to Senate aides and others familiar with the negotiations.
>>>>>>>>> Democrats are focused on also securing the support of Sens.
>>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>>> Voinovich (R-Ohio), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), Richard Lugar
>>>>>>>>> (R-Ind.),
>>>>>>>>> John Ensign (R-Nev.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), according to
>>>>>>>>> Democratic aides.
>>>>>>>>> The defense bill failed in September to garner the 60 votes
>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>>>> to move forward. Wednesday's action would be similar to what
>>>>>>>>> occurred
>>>>>>>>> in September and would not represent a final vote on the issue.
>>>>>>>>> An unsuccessful vote could lead to several scenarios, including
>>>>>>>>> efforts to pass repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" as a standalone
>>>>>>>>> bill, adding it to other legislation expected to pass in the next
>>>>>>>>> week, or postponing debate on the issue until the new year and
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> start of a Republican-dominated Congress.
>>>>>>>>> If Congress doesn't act, the Pentagon and gay rights advocates
>>> have
>>>>>>>>> warned that federal judges considering cases that challenge the
>>>>>>>>> constitutionality of the ban could at any time order an immediate
>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>> to the ban, leading to potential chaos for military recruiters
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> troops in the field.
>>>>>>>>> A successful vote -- again, unlikely if it happens today,
>>> according
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> activists -- would put the issue back on the Senate's formal
>>>>>>>>> to-do
>>>>>>>>> list, making it possible for senators to debate and vote on the
>>> bill
>>>>>>>>> before the end of next week when they plan to go home.
>>>>>>>>> More:
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/08/AR201...
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>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>> Tommy
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